The Healy Raes

Sharpyshoot

MHR was an embarrassment on the tonight show earlier.

golfball37

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

MHR was an embarrassment on the tonight show earlier.

He had Jennifer’s botox shaking

SlowBlowin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's your problem, I wouldn't live somewhere without central heating!

I must admit a month back I thought the same !

Sharpyshoot

golfball37 wrote: »

He had Jennifer’s botox shaking

He hadn’t. It was a fail.

mgn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's your problem, I wouldn't live somewhere without central heating!

I have central heating, but I have to use timber, coal and oil to fuel it.

But thanks to the Green Party muppets it keeps getting more expensive.

mgn

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

MHR was an embarrassment on the tonight show earlier.

How was he an embarrassment,

Finty Lemon

golfball37 wrote: »

He had Jennifer’s botox shaking

Not really, she gutted him good. And Pearse before the break. These gombeen types can't handle her at all.

SlowBlowin

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Not really, she gutted him good. And Pearse before the break. These gombeen types can't handle her at all.

I dislike the fact that winning unrelated arguments seems to the peoples ultimate measure of political prowess, as opposed to representing needs of your constituents. That is why there are so many barristers in politics.

She lost me when she branded us all white & privileged on Twitter.

Rows Grower

buried wrote: »

Where is it being discussed nationally? No mainstream media outlet is covering this at all. This new carbon tax is being brought in next month and there isn't a word about it. Rural Peat Briquette factory workers are going to be laid off en masse real soon but whats on todays news? The Carphone Warehouse.

Ranting and raving achieves nothing. You need to do your homework and attack the Greens with facts. But nobody wants to do that

This mornings "Top Stories" in the Independent.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/rural-tds-heckle-green-party-leadereamon-ryan-as-he-brings-climate-bill-to-the-dail-40342021.html

Masala

Where is it being discussed nationally? No mainstream media outlet is covering this at all. This new carbon tax is being brought in next month and there isn't a word about it. Rural Peat Briquette factory workers are going to be laid off en masse real soon but whats on todays news? The Carphone Warehouse.

And nothing about their Own Door policies for asylum and refugee seekers within 4 months of coming off a plane....

About time someone called them out. Fair dues Danny...

Sharpyshoot

mgn wrote: »

How was he an embarrassment,

Raving about agitating slurry in 2027 with batteries. Take off your blinkers.

buried

Rows Grower wrote: »

This mornings "Top Stories" in the Independent.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/rural-tds-heckle-green-party-leadereamon-ryan-as-he-brings-climate-bill-to-the-dail-40342021.html

That's not an article discussing the climate bill, nowhere in that article does it state anywhere what exactly is involved in the bill and how it will affect Irish people such as hundreds of briquette factory workers.
It just ridiculing rural tds for 'heckling' the government, which is exactly what the likes of Alliance 90/the greens would rather the newspapers talk about, rather than the importation of German peat briquettes.

TaurenDruid

mgn wrote: »

I have central heating, but I have to use timber, coal and oil to fuel it.

But thanks to the Green Party muppets it keeps getting more expensive.

Believe me, I am no supporter of the Greens, but... how do you square your desire to burn fossil fuels, cheaply, with the fact of climate change being caused by burning fossil fuels? A that a failure to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere and a three- or even two-degrees rise in average global temperature means we're all ****ed in the next couple of decades?

Finty Lemon

buried wrote: »

That's not an article discussing the climate bill, nowhere in that article does it state anywhere what exactly is involved in the bill and how it will affect Irish people such as hundreds of briquette factory workers.
It just ridiculing rural tds for 'heckling' the government, which is exactly what the likes of Alliance 90/the greens would rather the newspapers talk about, rather than the importation of German peat briquettes.

That is the Healy Rae's fault though right? Their 'shtunts' and general bolloxology make it easy for the media to caricature their position. It plays well for a certain type of voter, but that doesn't equate to good and effective representatation.

Radio and TV producers now reach for the Healy Raes /Matty McGrath etc every time their is an issue concerning so called 'rural Ireland'. It gets a cheap laugh and good ratings.

This lot are disgracefully undermining the genuine concerns of rural constituencies for their own gain.

SlowBlowin

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

TaurenDruid

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

Why the **** would you contact that ignorant gombeen about this? Apart, possibly, in order to get a demonstration of how (wilfully?) ignorant he is? Contact the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications. Contact the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland.

They will be able to tell you where the CO2 is being generated, what's being done about it, and what savings are being (or are not being made) by energy providers, industry, agriculture, the public service, etc.

SlowBlowin

I have been assured that data for total CO2 by county/city is not available, please knock yourself out and prove me wrong.

Any comment on my guess about how CO2 dirty city folk are ?

Thelonious Monk

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I have been assured that data for total CO2 by county/city is not available, please knock yourself out and prove me wrong.

Any comment on my guess about how CO2 dirty city folk are ?

So youre saying it would be greener if city folk moved to one off housing and were reliant on turf and needed 2 or 3 cars per household?

SlowBlowin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So youre saying it would be greener if city folk moved to one off housing and were reliant on turf and needed 2 or 3 cars per household?

No - just that it makes sense with any issue, like CO2, to gather the low hanging fruit first. There are much greater opportunities for cutting CO2 in the areas where most is being produced, pretty basic and standard stuff..

Finty Lemon

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

Are you including the 145,000 cows owned by Kerry farmers in the calculation?

SlowBlowin

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Are you including the 145,000 cows owned by Kerry farmers in the calculation?

Yes did you read my post ?

Finty Lemon

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Yes did you read my post ?

Sorry yes I see it now.
If you do, its Kerry per capita by a big margin

mgn

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Believe me, I am no supporter of the Greens, but... how do you square your desire to burn fossil fuels, cheaply, with the fact of climate change being caused by burning fossil fuels? A that a failure to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere and a three- or even two-degrees rise in average global temperature means we're all ****ed in the next couple of decades?

I have no desire to burn anything, but needs must, i don't have gas.

If the greens wanted to ban gas, how would you feel about that, how would you heat your house then?.

A lot of these city dwellers love to jump on the climate change bandwagon because it doesn't affect their way of life.

TaurenDruid

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I have been assured that data for total CO2 by county/city is not available, please knock yourself out and prove me wrong.

Any comment on my guess about how CO2 dirty city folk are ?

You do get that it doesn't matter one jot where you live if we - all of us - don't reduce CO2 emissions and keep global warming to less than 2 degrees?

Except, maybe, in the sense that you will see the effects much faster if you live near the coast or the floodplain of a river:

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/global-warming-map-shows-sligo-galway-and-mayo-underwater-by-2100

https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/-8.9025/51.9862/?theme=water_level&map_type=water_level_above_mhhw&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&refresh=true&water_level=2.0&water_unit=m (Kilgarvan, fares reasonably ok at 2 metres rise - not so much Listowel or Ballybunion, but I'm all right, Danny!)

The dirty city folk are indeed dirty. But a) I can tell you exactly how much CO2 my employer has generated over the last few years. And b) how much that's reduced, year on year, for the past few years. So we're doing our part. And seriously, the SEAI have all the data. Sure, it may well take work to map CO2 emissions from "Rural Co-op Teo." to County Roscommon and "Hi Tech Cloud Datacentre PLC" to County Clare, but it's possible. Maybe they don't do it because it'd be pointless?

We're genuinely all in this together, you know.

Also, like, if you don't want our LPT, income tax and direct spend from tourism that subsidises rural Ireland because we're dirty polluters, I'd happily not subsidise you.

Thelonious Monk

mgn wrote: »

A lot of these city dwellers love to jump on the climate change bandwagon because it doesn't affect their way of life.

The climate change bandwagon just had President Biden announce today that they are going to cut US emissions by at least half of 2005 levels by 2030.

It's a bit late now, but rural Ireland should never have been allowed to develop in a way that people just slapped houses wherever they felt like it, it means things like gas are impossible to provide, and everyone is dependent on cars.
Planning isn't really something that got much of a look in in Ireland over the decades, in cities or the countryside.

mgn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The climate change bandwagon just had President Biden announce today that they are going to cut US emissions by at least half of 2005 levels by 2030.

It's a bit late now, but rural Ireland should never have been allowed to develop in a way that people just slapped houses wherever they felt like it, it means things like gas are impossible to provide, and everyone is dependent on cars.
Planning isn't really something that got much of a look in in Ireland over the decades, in cities or the countryside.

Okay for Biden to announce it, getting it passed is another thing, so don't get carried away with that one.

What do suggest people living in country do, abandon everything and head for the city's just to please a few loons, get real.

Thelonious Monk

mgn wrote: »

Okay for Biden to announce it, getting it passed is another thing, so don't get carried away with that one.

What do suggest people living in country do, abandon everything and head for the city's just to please a few loons, get real.

It's not a few loons, it's the US Government for one.
Well it wouldn't have to be cities but in Europe people live in towns and villages in clustered communities, you can provide services like broadband and gas that way.
But yeah it's not going to change here any time soon, so I don't know how they expect to change anything for the sake of the environment given the whole country is a giant beef and dairy farm with scattered housing everywhere.

SlowBlowin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The climate change bandwagon just had President Biden announce today that they are going to cut US emissions by at least half of 2005 levels by 2030.

It's a bit late now, but rural Ireland should never have been allowed to develop in a way that people just slapped houses wherever they felt like it, it means things like gas are impossible to provide, and everyone is dependent on cars.
Planning isn't really something that got much of a look in in Ireland over the decades, in cities or the countryside.

Gas is a fossil fuel - its got to go too (unless its methane from carbon capture, but thats a long way off).

Thelonious Monk

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Gas is a fossil fuel - its got to go too (unless its methane from carbon capture, but thats a long way off).

You would think it has to be replaced eventually given it's finite.

SouthWesterly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Are you including the 145,000 cows owned by Kerry farmers in the calculation?

There's enough evidence out there now to show that cows actually sequester carbon. Where do you think all that manure goes?

Water John

SouthWesterly wrote: »

There's enough evidence out there now to show that cows actually sequester carbon. Where do you think all that manure goes?

Animals certainly could sequester carbon. Animal farming is much better environmentally than tillage. Lets start using good scientific research to guide us, not hunches from either side.

mgn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not a few loons, it's the US Government for one.
Well it wouldn't have to be cities but in Europe people live in towns and villages in clustered communities, you can provide services like broadband and gas that way.
But yeah it's not going to change here any time soon, so I don't know how they expect to change anything for the sake of the environment given the whole country is a giant beef and dairy farm with scattered housing everywhere.

Meanwhile China opening a new coal fired plant every week, but the good old laggards of Europe had to close our two peat burning plants to please a few muppets so the can further their own careers, costing thousands of jobs and destroying community's that was built up over the decades.

John_Rambo

It’s a bitter pill to swallow.

The people that thought they had a superior connection to the earth are actually the ones destroying it and are being schooled by the cleaner environmentally living urban dwellers.

No wonder Danny is roaring his head off in the Dáil.

Water John

Danny has a touch of, cursing the darkness rather than lighting a light.

Thelonious Monk

mgn wrote: »

Meanwhile China opening a new coal fired plant every week, but the good old laggards of Europe had to close our two peat burning plants to please a few muppets so the can further their own careers, costing thousands of jobs and destroying community's that was built up over the decades.

Meanwhile the USA announced to halve emissions by 2030. People like you used to say blah blah USA China before, you can't say that any more and the Chinese premier is attending the climate talks going on at the moment, I will not be surprised if they announce major plans to limit emissions.
The peat plants would have had to shut down eventually, peat isn't infinite.

mgn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Meanwhile the USA announced to halve emissions by 2030. People like you used to say blah blah USA China before, you can't say that any more and the Chinese premier is attending the climate talks going on at the moment, I will not be surprised if they announce major plans to limit emissions.
The peat plants would have had to shut down eventually, peat isn't infinite.

As i said before announcing and doing are two different things, the American wont roll over as easy as the Irish when it starts to hit them in the pocket.

As for China, don't make me laugh, the will do what the like as always.

What about the rainforest, are the still cutting away or have the stopped yet.

Beechwoodspark

Water John wrote: »

Danny has a touch of, cursing the darkness rather than lighting a light.

Different man In private away from the media

Water John

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Different man In private away from the media

Yes, I have met him and his father, not fools.

mgn

mgn wrote: »

Meanwhile China opening a new coal fired plant every week, but the good old laggards of Europe had to close our two peat burning plants to please a few muppets so the can further their own careers, costing thousands of jobs and destroying community's that was built up over the decades.

I'd forgotten about that, it was fantastic to see those peat plants shutting down.

Complete silliness, burning dirt lol

Time to re-wet the bogs and bring back some biodiversity

TaurenDruid

Water John wrote: »

Animals certainly could sequester carbon. Animal farming is much better environmentally than tillage. Lets start using good scientific research to guide us, not hunches from either side.

Where's that gif of yer man from Futurama, with his eyes narrowing... "Can't tell if trolling or seriously believes that..."

mr potato head

SouthWesterly wrote: »

There's enough evidence out there now to show that cows actually sequester carbon. Where do you think all that manure goes?

From what I've heard, there are two sides to it, the land can store a certain amount eventually being unable to sequester more and in order to do so the rotation of grazing has to be carefully managed at the expense of yield.

TaurenDruid

"Land" doesn't store carbon. Plants do. Animals - that eat plants - fart methane and other greenhouse gases. Beef farming as carried out in Ireland produces far less greenhouse gasses than factory-farmed beef in South America and elsewhere, so yay - but it is still a net contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.

To get back on topic - the HRs seemingly don't accept climate change, and if they do, reckon it's not man made, and there's nothing that can be done about it anyway, sure God will fix it, let's all just carry on the way we are, be grand, like. And sure don't we all have to make a living, what would those arseholes up in Dublin know about our hardships, anyway.

They're wrong.

As evidenced by the last page or so of this thread, though, this sort of rhetoric goes down a treat with the locals. Give them an enemy, tell them you're on their side, they'll love you for it.

SlowBlowin

TaurenDruid wrote: »

"Land" doesn't store carbon. Plants do. Animals - that eat plants - fart methane and other greenhouse gases. Beef farming as carried out in Ireland produces far less greenhouse gasses than factory-farmed beef in South America and elsewhere, so yay - but it is still a net contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.

To get back on topic - the HRs seemingly don't accept climate change, and if they do, reckon it's not man made, and there's nothing that can be done about it anyway, sure God will fix it, let's all just carry on the way we are, be grand, like. And sure don't we all have to make a living, what would those arseholes up in Dublin know about our hardships, anyway.

They're wrong.

As evidenced by the last page or so of this thread, though, this sort of rhetoric goes down a treat with the locals. Give them an enemy, tell them you're on their side, they'll love you for it.

Watch the video I posted earlier as you have made some assumptions there which are not correct.

TaurenDruid

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Watch the video I posted earlier as you have made some assumptions there which are not correct.

WTF did you just have me watch?!

Ok, so...

• I did eventually cop on he was in some sort of heritage museum, and he wasn't trying to pass that off as his own living room. Grand.
• Let's ignore the ominous music playing in the background.
• He doesn't deny climate change. Grand, so, that's just his brother, then.
• Asking questions of animals. Ah-ha-ha, hilarious, would ye stop? No seriously - stop.
• So he accepts climate change is real, but... just isn't willing to do anything at all about it, seems to be the gist of his message?
• "This doesn't make sense" - what, this thing nobody has proposed doing?
  You're right, it doesn't. Which is why nobody proposed it, except in your head.
• He is using the well known tactic of sprinkling in a little truth, then twisting and exaggerating it, though, and he does it very well. Yes, FF, FG and the Greens are trying to bring in CETA, which would mean allowing imports of beef from South America, and that doesn't make sense (unless you stand to profit from it.) But a lot of the other stuff is a nonsense!
• "Why should we do anything when we're only less than 1% of the problem" is, obviously, a huge problem when everyone also says that they're only a small part of the problem. So, what, then? Nobody does anything? And we all die?
• Something something making concrete? Something something batteries? Something something trawlers? There are, of course, solutions to all of those, but he's more interested in mocking than investigating solutions, clearly.

What an odious, self-serving man.

SlowBlowin

As you, by your own admission, did not understand much of what was said, let me summarise.

MHR thinks its unwise to ban something when there are no alternatives in place.

You disagree so do enlighten me, you said:

"Something something making concrete? Something something batteries? Something something trawlers? There are, of course, solutions to all of those."

OK so using your own logic, lets ban them now, like peat is banned, can you explain the alternatives to cement production or deep sea fishing ? What are the alternatives you boast of ?

My guess is you will not explain the alternatives, as they don't exist today, and just fire more irrelevant questions.

John_Rambo

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

You're very wrong I'm afraid. Aside from your car dependence and environmentally damaging lifestyle everything, down to policing, ESB repairs to deliveries are infinitely more damaging and more expensive in areas with one off housing compared to urban areas.

Take your post for example. A diesel van delivering post to a few houses, taxed, insured, serviced, CVRT'd, scrapped when out of commission etc... expensive to the tax payer and bad for the environment.

My post man delivers to hundreds of houses on a bicycle. Massively more efficient, incomparably cheaper and much better for the environment.

Thelonious Monk

SlowBlowin wrote: »

or deep sea fishing ? What are the alternatives you boast of ?

I would suggest not fishing, and not eating seafood for a while at least. Surely we can protect larger areas of the seas around Ireland and maybe have moratoriums around certain types of catches like they did in Newfoundland after the cod stock collapse?

Rows Grower

John_Rambo wrote: »

You're very wrong I'm afraid. Aside from your car dependence and environmentally damaging lifestyle everything, down to policing, ESB repairs to deliveries are infinitely more damaging and more expensive in areas with one off housing compared to urban areas.

Take your post for example. A diesel van delivering post to a few houses, taxed, insured, serviced, CVRT'd, scrapped when out of commission etc... expensive to the tax payer and bad for the environment.

My post man delivers to hundreds of houses on a bicycle. Massively more efficient, incomparably cheaper and much better for the environment.

I thought those bikes were done away with as they were unsuitable for the volume of deliveries?

In all fairness you can't blame rural people for the carbon emissions An Post create if An Post decide to use electric vehicles only in the cities.

Water John

A basic is, that soil does lock in carbon. with some farming systems, ruminant animals, one can store up to 4t/acre/yr.

mgn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I would suggest not fishing, and not eating seafood for a while at least. Surely we can protect larger areas of the seas around Ireland and maybe have moratoriums around certain types of catches like they did in Newfoundland after the cod stock collapse?

Is that you Eammon, if not, he must have a clone, this is the same type of nonsense he would come up with.

Better still, go and visit a few fishing towns around the country and run that by them to see what the think of your plan.