The Healy Raes

BENDYBINN

InTheShadows wrote: »

They are no better or worse than what we have here in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland.

Bertie Ahern anyone?

Old Bertie wasn’t the worst........brought us the boom...great times looking back....

James Brown

InTheShadows wrote: »

They are no better or worse than what we have here in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland.

Bertie Ahern anyone?

Different styles.

Bertie the cute hoor trying to pretend to be a statesman.

The Healy-Raes, a comedic side show acting the gombeen, get the protest vote against 'them up in dublin'.

James Brown

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Old Bertie wasn’t the worst........brought us the boom...great times looking back....

He was actually. Well close to Haughey anyway.

whisky_galore

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Old Bertie wasn’t the worst........brought us the boom...great times looking back....

A cute hoor with just a thin veneer of respectability.

Yeah. ONE politician brought the boom.
Think there's more to it than that.

valoren

I think of someone like MHR and just think of someone like this.



Someone who get's things done (albeit without the murdering and extortion) for their community and coins it at the same time. The Kerry Mafia (without the criminality)

Dakota Dan

lalababa wrote: »

MHR is one of the most robust debaters ever to be in the Dail. He would crush you in discourse.

I know a woman that met Leo at the spice girls no less and she decided to have a chat with him, he couldn’t even hold a conversation with her. Probably thinking too much about getting spice girls autographs.

Dakota Dan

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They are cavemen and I'm embarrassed to have them in the Dail. Can we give Kerry its independence maybe?

Bertie was an even bigger embarrassment.

iamwhoiam

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Bertie was an even bigger embarrassment.

And not forgetting Brian Cowen

Dakota Dan

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Old Bertie wasn’t the worst........brought us the boom...great times looking back....

Yeah and he ran before the bust.

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Dakota Dan wrote: »

Bertie was an even bigger embarrassment.

Yeah, he couldn't even get a tree knocked down outside my house that was blocking the light.

We need more HR's

Dr. Bre

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And not forgetting Brian Cowen

Brian Clown

Dakota Dan

The HR’s are even speeding up passports now.

whisky_galore

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The HR’s are even speeding up passports now.

They only need speeding up because of our Soviet Union length processing times.

ChikiChiki

SlowBlowin wrote: »

awec wrote: »

I think this thread shows exactly why they keep getting elected.

People don't understand the difference between a TD and a Councillor.

OK, for 40 years I have voted, and not much changes.

Now I vote HR, and our life is better, directly, visibly.

Same rubbish at a National level, but now life locally is better, and we have someone to go to who makes a difference.

I understand the difference between national and local politics, but I vote for someone that delivers, not run with the sheep. If this makes me an idiot in your eyes then I am OK with that too.

We have very serious issues at national level. But once your ok it's all good. Just hope a family member doesn't end up for days seriously I'll on a trolley at a major trauma centre or can't get an ambulance out to a serious accident. Or your kids are don't leave to go to Australia because for a better life due to no rental accommodation because of poor government planning.

Once the roads are fixed in your area it's all good.

Wildly Boaring

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We have very serious issues at national level. But once your ok it's all good. Just hope a family member doesn't end up for days seriously I'll on a trolley at a major trauma centre or can't get an ambulance out to a serious accident. Or your kids are don't leave to go to Australia because for a better life due to no rental accommodation because of poor government planning.

Once the roads are fixed in your area it's all good.

But do you honestly think any of the rest are any different.

Varadkar objected to social housing in his area. Ross pushed for new hockey pitches for private schools in his. Lowry claims to have sorted every hirling club in north tip with funding. Howlin gets all the credit in wexford for the 2 motorways. Kenny got rid of the proposed pylons in Mayo. Regina Doherty backed "civil disobedience" against pylons in meath.......

All off the top of my head in 2 mins.

All politics is local.

Edgware

InTheShadows wrote: »

They are no better or worse than what we have here in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland.

Bertie Ahern anyone?

Tony Gregory?

Dakota Dan

whisky_galore wrote: »

They only need speeding up because of our Soviet Union length processing times.

Would you have to be a constituent of MHR for that to work or does he also take on outsiders?

SlowBlowin

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We have very serious issues at national level. But once your ok it's all good. Just hope a family member doesn't end up for days seriously I'll on a trolley at a major trauma centre or can't get an ambulance out to a serious accident. Or your kids are don't leave to go to Australia because for a better life due to no rental accommodation because of poor government planning.

Once the roads are fixed in your area it's all good.

Actually despite your hopes and wishes, my wife was diagnosed with stage 3B Lymphoma about a year ago, we were totally devastated, loads of local support, got her treated in the UK, 6 months chemo and a lot of stress, shes now in remission. What would you suggest I fecking do ? Not a lot of time at 3B, but shes alive and in remission.

Yes we have serious issues at a national level, what do you expect, its how its always been. I vote for someone who makes our lives better, not in a dishonest way, in a local way, using his understanding of law and government and applying it at a local level.

If I used your logic my guess is my wife might well be dead now, if not from the cancer from the pot holes in the road...

mikemac2

awec wrote: »

They are TDs, they are supposed to focus on national issues. Instead, they act like councillors,

Ministers have all the power, a backbencher has little or no power and just obeys the whip

Most here never heard the name Maria Bailey before last week

And sure why would you? Most don’t get national recognition until they get to be junior minister

Mad_maxx

DeanAustin wrote: »

That’s a bit condescending. People understand just fine. Most people are just worried about what’s best for them. “Vote for the candidate that’ll get my pothole fixed or the one who’ll push for proper transport links from Dublin Airport?” A lot of people choose pothole.

I hear a lot of ould ****e in Waterford from people about how the main political parties are rubbish and have no vision and the people voting for them are engaging in parish pump politics. Same people said John Delaney shouldn’t be removed from the FAI because of the good he did “for our local teams”. I know it’s not politics but it’s a similar principle. Why else would the likes of the Healy-Rae’s and Lowry be getting elected? Same things happen in jobs/companies all around the country. People say nothing about wrongs being done to people “in case I burn my bridges.” Fundamentally, most people are concerned with themselves and what’s best for them.

The Healy Rae’s are the by-product of a system that doesn’t work. Democracy is built for short term thinking to win the next election. It’s particularly pronounced in a small country like Ireland. However, the alternative (some form of dictatorship) is likely to be even more catastrophic unless you get a particularly selfless individual with integrity in power. And they are very few and far between. One that’s incorruptible is even more rare.

The healy raes are extremely cynical

RhubarbCrumble

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Would you have to be a constituent of MHR for that to work or does he also take on outsiders?

I'm in Limerick and rang MHR's office last year on behalf of my partner's Dad. He was on a waiting list in Limerick for a long time waiting to get his cataracts done and no sign of anything happening. MHR's office rang back the next day and gave the go ahead.

Larbre34

If ever there was a reason to move to a list system, the Healy-Raes are it.

We need to abolish 31 county councils and replace them with about 6 or 7 regional development authorities, with real teeth.

Then the Dáil should be made up of legislators from representative parties or groups, where the citizens vote only for parties or groups and their ideology, not personalities, and the Dáil deals only with national issues.

Water John

Leo is poor at small talk. That's just his personality. I wouldn't use that to judge anyone.

janfebmar

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

I'm in Limerick and rang MHR's office last year on behalf of my partner's Dad. He was on a waiting list in Limerick for a long time waiting to get his cataracts done and no sign of anything happening. MHR's office rang back the next day and gave the go ahead.

And someone else got unfairly pushed down the list yet again. No wonder people are on waiting lists for years in this God-forsaken country despite our tax spend on healthcare being among the highest in the world.

RhubarbCrumble

janfebmar wrote: »

And someone else got unfairly pushed down the list yet again. No wonder people are on waiting lists for years in this God-forsaken country despite our tax spend on healthcare being among the highest in the world.

MHR's office gave the go ahead for him to go to BELFAST.
Nobody was pushed down any waiting list.

Jakey Rolling

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

MHR's office gave the go ahead for him to go to BELFAST.
Nobody was pushed down any waiting list.

You mean on the Cross Border Directive, which anyone is entitled to apply for...

The directive allows patients to access healthcare services including operations, specialised inpatient care and outpatient appointments, in another European country once they have a referral letter from a GP or hospital doctor. Patients pay upfront for their treatment and the cost is later reimbursed by the HSE.


There's none so helpless as won't help themselves!

janfebmar

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

MHR's office gave the go ahead for him to go to BELFAST.
Nobody was pushed down any waiting list.

Busloads of refugees have to go from Kerry to Belfast for their healthcare needs, because of years of waiting lists an inefficiency here. God bless the NHS.

Rows Grower

Larbre34 wrote: »

If ever there was a reason to move to a list system, the Healy-Raes are it.

We need to abolish 31 county councils and replace them with about 6 or 7 regional development authorities, with real teeth.

Then the Dáil should be made up of legislators from representative parties or groups, where the citizens vote only for parties or groups and their ideology, not personalities, and the Dáil deals only with national issues.

Not withstanding the fact that each county needs it's own elected representatives we already have 8 Regional Development Authorities in Ireland since 1994.

Anteayer

They're not being paid for by the NHS. They're services being paid for by the HSE.

Anyone can apply for this if they meet the criteria.

https://www2.hse.ie/services/cross-border-directive/about-the-cross-border-directive.html

They also purchase cataract and other surgical procedures from the private hospitals in Ireland if the list is too long. I'd a relative who had her's done in the Hermitage.

You just fill in the form. Information is all available online and GPs should be able to provide info

briany

He fixshed de road.

ToddyDoody

Is there a third Healy-Rae td in the pipeline?

janfebmar

Anteayer wrote: »

They're not being paid for by the NHS. They're services being paid for by the HSE.

I know that. So the taxpayer here pays twice. Waiting lists and inefficiencies here are a sad reflection of our HSE, despite our healthcare here costing the taxpayer among the highest in the world.

Our politicians here are to blame, they are too busy going to funerals and pulling strokes for constituents than running the country properly.

Water John

The Collison Bros who followed are the antidote to the Healy Raes of this world.

Rows Grower

Water John wrote: »

The Collison Bros who followed are the antidote to the Healy Raes of this world.

You think those brothers from rural Ireland got where they are today without hard work?

ILoveYourVibes

Rows Grower wrote: »

You think those brothers from rural Ireland got where they are today without hard work?

Hell yes!

Tell me how

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Hell yes!

What they do might not constitute work in the conventional 9 to 5 x number of tasks sense, but, I think it is a given that they are never off the clock and it is not an easy thing to do, to engage with everyone who comes your way, even if you are only telling them what they want to hear.

ILoveYourVibes

Tell me how wrote: »

What they do might not constitute work in the conventional 9 to 5 x number of tasks sense, but, I think it is a given that they are never off the clock and it is not an easy thing to do, to engage with everyone who comes your way, even if you are only telling them what they want to hear.

Jackie Healey Rae sat through less than half the meetings of an oireachtas committee he was obliged to attend ..yet was paid 20 k.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/healyrae-paid-20000-despite-poor-attendance-26750557.html

And any meetings he did attend he didn't stay the full duration of.

You could not be more incorrect they are really lazy.

It could be worse I suppose they are not nasty or mean spirited.

Engaging with people is not hard. Its called being human.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I must admit I love the way the Healy Rae's are living rent free in peoples heads:)
https://twitter.com/RTEOne/status/1134578912367824896

Tell me how

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I must admit I love the way the Healy Rae's are living rent free in peoples heads:)

I'm getting a bit ticked off with popular social commentators describing them as all that is wrong with Ireland.

Like they are responsible for the Health system, the childrens hospital, declining in rural communities, housing prices/rent etc etc etc.

People decry them for saying God controls the environment but are ok with Leo signing off oil prospecting rights to a Chinese companies 3 days after saying that he had heard the people demanding action on climate change.

Also, these same people seem to have forgotten how partisan Bertie was, or even Enda or even recently Shane Ross (who loves getting a dig in at his country cousins).

If one of the Healys fell off a swing in a hotel, they'd settle for being able to use it as a speaking platform for the next election.r

Buford T. Justice V

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I must admit I love the way the Healy Rae's are living rent free in peoples heads:)
https://twitter.com/RTEOne/status/1134578912367824896

RTÉ should stop pandering to the Healy-Raes. Why offer them a national platform when their interests are strictly local.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

RTÉ should stop pandering to the Healy-Raes. Why offer them a national platform when their interests are strictly local.

Leo gets away with it.....

Mrsmum

IMO alot of Ministers see their ministries as positions of importance as opposed to jobs. It would be a fascinating experiment to make MHR Minister for housing or even health. What would happen ? Could he be any worse that those who already have or had those portfolios ??? Would Kerry's loss be Ireland's gain ??????

Tell me how

Mrsmum wrote: »

IMO alot of Ministers see their ministries as positions of importance as opposed to jobs. It would be a fascinating experiment to make MHR Minister for housing or even health. What would happen ? Could he be any worse that those who already have or had those portfolios ??? Would Kerry's loss be Ireland's gain ??????

The 20,000 required houses might be built in Kerry to be fair :cool:

Mrsmum

Tell me how wrote: »

The 20,000 required houses might be built in Kerry to be fair :cool:

Ha ha, That's true alright. You can take the man out of Kerry but you can take Kerry out of the man.

DeanAustin

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The healy raes are extremely cynical

The certainly are. But the system allows candidates like that to be successful, they’re just exploiting that.

They’re also far from stupid. They may sound dumb, make stupid comments but they are very very clever in how they present themselves and in how they operate.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

janfebmar wrote: »

Busloads of refugees have to go from Kerry to Belfast for their healthcare needs, because of years of waiting lists an inefficiency here. God bless the NHS.

You should think of living in Northern Ireland, it definitely sounds like you’d be happier there.

iamwhoiam

I wouldn't be the Healey Raes biggest fan and well aware they work for the locals and not the country in general

But if my life depended on a TD then give me a HR anyday before a useless plamas of TD who does sweet FA

If I had to choose to spend time and need help with a TD and my choice was a HR or " style of substance Leo V " I would chose the man I would know that means what he says . Leo and his ilk are full of platitudes and plamás and in fact then do nothiing

janfebmar

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I wouldn't be the Healey Raes biggest fan and well aware they work for the locals and not the country in general

You are aware that if they jump someone (one of their cronies ) up a queue , then lots of other people in the queue move back down the queue again?

It is the function of elected politicians to make the country better, not worse.

Mysterypunter

Fantastic ambassadors for the rural community, a credit to the country

iamwhoiam

janfebmar wrote: »

You are aware that if they jump someone (one of their cronies ) up a queue , then lots of other people in the queue move back down the queue again?

It is the function of elected politicians to make the country better, not worse.

I said I wasn't their greatest fan . But if the alternative is Leo who smiles while the country goes to the dogs , well the HR at least move their arses and do something .