Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Graces7

CruelCoin wrote: »

2:1 would disagree with you.

So? Quality not quantity.. and who cares then

BoJack Horseman

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Nope, I hope its religious out of schools.

That won't happen.

The RCC still control the bulk of primary schools.

And the growth of the RoP points to faith schools having a strong future, like they do in the UK.

For me, drugs are the next fight.

Shurimgreat

CruelCoin wrote: »

Just lifting the rug and shining a light.

Sometimes the dirty patches need to be examined before you clean.

By dirty patches I take it you mean standing up for the unborn?

Your posts are increasingly disturbing. As I advised a bit of sensitivity wouldn't go amiss. You didn't win the lottery here. The losers are not posting on this thread. The losers have yet to be conceived but of course we are no longer allowed talk about them.

I feel Irish society has come full circle in a horrific way. Now it is no longer seen as acceptable to represent or give a say in any way shape or form to unborn children.

Along with other recent scandals and corruption in Irish life in the health, banking and justice departments and presided over by the same politicians who are advocating unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks this country truely has gone downhill.

erica74

neonsofa

Graces7 wrote: »

So? Quality not quantity.. and who cares then

In a referendum it is very much quantity that matters

Omackeral

Graces7 wrote: »

So? Quality not quantity.. and who cares then

Quantity is basically the only thing that matters in a referendum, sorry to break it to you.

GarIT

It's 100% over now, No is 600,000 votes behind with less than 500,000 votes to be counted

Billy86

Graces7 wrote: »

They are not backward. In fact they show true civilisation

Have you figured out which of the below which are more in line with our current abortion laws and so 'true civilizations' to you than basically all of the western world? I mean, if you truly consider Ireland to be uncivilised, well then maybe this isn't the place for you after all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law
Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

Deusexmachina

CruelCoin wrote: »

Is it not being a sore loser though?

"Don't celebrate too hard lads, you'll hurt my feelings".

We've moved on from mothers dying unessecarily and you don't want celebrations?

I am a yes voter.

I dont like triumphalist gloating and slagging people off for their opposing opinions.

Try to keep up.

joe40

CruelCoin wrote: »

Sheeps wrote: »

Why are people on a witch hunt for counties who share a different trend in their stance on this?

Just lifting the rug and shining a light.

Sometimes the dirty patches need to be examined before you clean.

That is a truly repulsive statement. I was a yes voter most friends and colleagues were yes voters. You have no right to call a full county backward, on the basis of this vote.
I am personally disappointed that Donegal seems to have voted no, but there are other factors especially older population.

Zonda999

Omackeral wrote: »

Agreed. Calling counties backwards that bloody had a majority YES vote too. Even if every constituency went with YES, one still has to be the lowest! Silly carry on.

Extremely silly and only seeking to inflame an urban-rural divide. In every country that I know of, rural area's would be known for being more "conservative", its not an exclusively Irish phenomenon.

Anyway, in the likes of Roscommon, there would be a lower percentage of young people, this would have effected the Yes percentage for a start. also, considering. There were only 40,000 votes there also, to turn that 57% Yes to 67% Yes would only be 4,000 votes, to put it into a bit of a grander context.

Necro

Zonda999 wrote:

Extremely silly and only seeking to inflame an urban-rural divide. In every country that I know of, rural area's would be known for being more "conservative", its not an exclusively Irish phenomenon.

Plus the poster hasn't even an iota what they are talking about.

There is no 'Connacht/Ulster' constituency outside of European elections

Mushy

_Dara_ wrote: »

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's still a lot different from 82/18 regardless.

Boards was always going to be higher. Everyone knew that.

I think those figures were the 83 referendum

Billy86

Tippex wrote: »

You do realise that the Ireland of today is a multi cultural country and being a husband is not exclusive to christian’s so please do stop spouting tripe.

Just so that you can understand my position in all this. I would love to have more kids but my wife has categorically said no since our youngest (16 next month) was born. If it turned out that my wife was pregnant and decided to have an abortion I would be absolutely devastated (not sure how things would work out, hopefully never happens) but she is fully aware of my feelings on that I would be 100% against it.

However that did not stop me from voting a resounding yes as I have seen first hand down the years the turmoil that this has caused girls, women and families. Too many times has a guy got a girl pregnant and it has been left to the girl to deal with the consequences.

I am not getting into a discussion about what is right and wrong but we live in a democracy and decisions like this should be allowed to each individual affected

It was a mocking turnaround on the "if she didn't want to get pregnant she should have kept her legs closed" nonsense we've been getting endless amounts of on the 8th threads for the last many, many months, including in cases of failed contraception and rape cases. The poster I was responding to is emblematic of that mindset.

In other words, it wasn't to be taken seriously.

It wasnt me123

Sheeps wrote: »

..........., the continuation of life on Earth is at complete discretion of women.

yep, you got it, well done.

Its our bodies, its our eggs, its our uterus and as of yesterday nobody else has a say in it except us.

I am over the moon, so so happy for the women of Ireland.

CruelCoin

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Try to keep up.

Yeah, because you're the paragon of all human virtue and the benchmark by which we should all set ourselves.

amcalester

Tippex wrote: »

You do realise that the Ireland of today is a multi cultural country and being a husband is not exclusive to christian’s so please do stop spouting tripe.

Just so that you can understand my position in all this. I would love to have more kids but my wife has categorically said no since our youngest (16 next month) was born. If it turned out that my wife was pregnant and decided to have an abortion I would be absolutely devastated (not sure how things would work out, hopefully never happens) but she is fully aware of my feelings on that I would be 100% against it.

However that did not stop me from voting a resounding yes as I have seen first hand down the years the turmoil that this has caused girls, women and families. Too many times has a guy got a girl pregnant and it has been left to the girl to deal with the consequences.

I am not getting into a discussion about what is right and wrong but we live in a democracy and decisions like this should be allowed to each individual affected

The point being made was in contrast to one often made about women wanting abortions, that if they didn’t get pregnant or practiced abstinence etc then they wouldn’t need an abortion.

The same could be applied to men, that if men are concerned about babies being aborted then they shouldn’t get women pregnant.

But it’s a nonsense argument obviously because people have sex for reasons other than procreation and accidents happen.

The Backwards Man

_Dara_ wrote: »

Boards was always going to be higher. Everyone knew that.

That was the Donegal split in 83.

Deusexmachina

CruelCoin wrote: »

Yeah, because you're the paragon of all human virtue and the benchmark by which we should all set ourselves.

I must have touched a nerve there. Sorry.

Billy86

joe40 wrote: »

That is a truly repulsive statement. I was a yes voter most friends and colleagues were yes voters. You have no right to call a full county backward, on the basis of this vote.
I am personally disappointed that Donegal seems to have voted no, but there are other factors especially older population.

This is very true, as it also was in 2015 for Roscommon/South Leitrim. I would love to see all constituencies go YES, but if not at least the outliers have explanation as to why and still kept it close.

Tippex

Billy86 wrote: »

It was a mocking turnaround on the "if she didn't want to get pregnant she should have kept her legs closed" nonsense we've been getting endless amounts of on the 8th threads for the last many, many months, including in cases of failed contraception and rape cases. The poster I was responding to is emblematic of that mindset.

In other words, it wasn't to be taken seriously.

Ah see thats what I get for not going back through the thread and reading over what I had missed.

Shurimgreat

Tippex wrote: »

You do realise that the Ireland of today is a multi cultural country and being a husband is not exclusive to christian’s so please do stop spouting tripe.

Just so that you can understand my position in all this. I would love to have more kids but my wife has categorically said no since our youngest (16 next month) was born. If it turned out that my wife was pregnant and decided to have an abortion I would be absolutely devastated (not sure how things would work out, hopefully never happens) but she is fully aware of my feelings on that I would be 100% against it.

However that did not stop me from voting a resounding yes as I have seen first hand down the years the turmoil that this has caused girls, women and families. Too many times has a guy got a girl pregnant and it has been left to the girl to deal with the consequences.

I am not getting into a discussion about what is right and wrong but we live in a democracy and decisions like this should be allowed to each individual affected

I sincerely hope you have the b#lls to tell the child of a single mother who has been left in the situation you describe you think it would have been better they were aborted. I doubt you will have that courage. Many women have been put in difficult positions I agree. Many produced the most wonderful children which brought great happiness to their mothers and grandparents lives. Do you still think they should have been aborted?

CruelCoin

Billy86 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law
Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

It seems that it's only third world, war ridden kips that are civilised. Huh.

What a weird world we live in.

Itssoeasy

I'm curious how NO voters feel about TDs who advocated a NO seeming to just lay down and won't try and stop something they feel strongly about ?

Necro

CruelCoin wrote:

Yeah, because you're the paragon of all human virtue and the benchmark by which we should all set ourselves.

Did you read your own link and notice the flaw yet?

Mickeroo

I'll be nothing but sensitive to any no voters I personally know or spoke to. I have nothing but respect for their opinions regardless of how much I disagree.

As for the troglodites at the Iona institute or Mcguirk, Tóibín,Sherlock, Rick Moranis and Co well they don't deserve any. Their whole campaign was based on a lack of sensitivity, scare mongering and lies.

The thought of what they must feel like today is frankly delightful. Maybe that makes me immature but **** it, I'll leave the maturity to better people than me. I'm proud as all hell to be Irish today.

Noveight

Voted Yes myself and happy today with the result. Can't help but feel that some of the reactions on social media are a bit melodramatic however.

GarIT

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'm curious how NO voters feel about TDs who advocated a NO seeming to just lay down and won't try and stop something they feel strongly about ?

There isn't much they could do when 70% of the country is in agreement on what they want.

Mushy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'm curious how NO voters feel about TDs who advocated a NO seeming to just lay down and won't try and stop something they feel strongly about ?

Hard to know, cos for every no voter there's at least 1 other person in the constituency who voted Yes. Political suicide for the person if they fought it. Very different if it was much closer

erica74

Noveight wrote: »

Voted Yes myself and happy today with the result. Can't help but feel that some of the reactions on social media are a bit melodramatic however.

Why so?

Shurimgreat

CruelCoin wrote: »

It seems that it's only third world, war ridden kips that are civilised. Huh.

What a weird world we live in.

America has among the highest gun crime rates in the world. Do you want to keep up with them on that too because they are "modern".
A number of impoverished nations much worse off than Ireland also have abortion freely available.

Venezuela has abortion freely available. Remind us what state they are in?

So your comparisions are largely invalid.

Try again.

Water John

It was Dr Rhona O'Mahony Master of the largest maternity hospital in the country, who was cornered by three male politicians and being instructed, in 2013. MMOC cleared them.

Itssoeasy

GarIT wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'm curious how NO voters feel about TDs who advocated a NO seeming to just lay down and won't try and stop something they feel strongly about ?

There isn't much they could do when 70% of the country is in agreement on what they want.

I understand that but only Ronan Mullen has said publicly that he will actively not support the bill and I'm assuming trying to water it down to the point of it being 8th amendment lite.

Billy86

ricero wrote: »

Time to legalize the weed next

By 2030 is my guess. We'll see the cash flowing in from other countries, a bit like SSM notice a rush of other nations getting onto it through the 2020s, people will notice when people smoke a joint they don't turn into raging lunatics and start smashing up the streets, and I reckon currently among under 40s it would already win in an absolute landslide (which by then will be under 50s, with the 50-65 crowd likely being split and the 65+ crowd quite strong against).

Shortly after, Versatile will be elected to the Dail. :pac:

Necro

Mushy wrote:

Hard to know, cos for every no voter there's at least 1 other person in the constituency who voted Yes. Political suicide for the person if they fought it. Very different if it was much closer

Yeah, populists gonna populist.

My hope is they are voted out at the next GE, truly show the Healy-Raes and their ilk that parish pump politics in Ireland is a thing of the past.

Country, not constituency first.

But I doubt it will bring about meaningful change tbh.

Tippex

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I sincerely hope you have the b#lls to tell the child of a single mother who has been left in the situation you describe you think it would have been better they were aborted. I doubt you will have that courage. Many women have been put in difficult positions I agree. Many produced the most wonderful children which brought great happiness to their mothers and grandparents lives. Do you still think they should have been aborted?

No I went one better and raised my eldest son as my own (he was 8 months old when his mum and I got together) he was our best man when we got married when he was 8 and now he has a 16 yr old brother (my youngest) and he is a dad himself making me a grandad. So the point you are trying to make is totally redundant.

It is very easy to make comments like the one you have made above when you do not know peoples individual stories and everyones story if different.

It is not up to me to force my beliefs on others.

So when it comes to balls and courage I think I have enough for the both of us thank you very much.

DickSwiveller

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'll be nothing but sensitive to any no voters I personally know or spoke to. I have nothing but respect for their opinions regardless of how much I disagree.

As for the troglodites at the Iona institute or Mcguirk, Tóibín,Sherlock, Rick Moranis and Co well they don't deserve any. Their whole campaign was based on a lack of sensitivity, scare mongering and lies.

The thought of what they must feel like today is frankly delightful. Maybe that makes me immature but **** it, I'll leave the maturity to better people than me. I'm proud as all hell to be Irish today.

You mean you disagree with them.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

It was Dr Rhona O'Mahony Master of the largest maternity hospital in the country, who was cornered by three male politicians and being instructed, in 2013. MMOC cleared them.

Yeah she said it on RTÉ earlier. Who are the three male politicians do we know ? I could guess.

tigger123

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I understand that but only Ronan Mullen has said publicly that he will actively not support the bill and I'm assuming trying to water it down to the point of it being 8th amendment lite.

He's only one Senator. Thankfully there's not a whole load he can do.

Billy86

Shurimgreat wrote: »

America has among the highest gun crime rates in the world. Do you want to keep up with them on that too because they are "modern".
A number of impoverished nations much worse off than Ireland also have abortion freely available.

Venezuela also has abortion freely available. Reminfmd what state they are in?

So your comparisions are largely invalid.

Try again.

Poor comparison. America might have the highest gun crime rate in the world, but most developed western societies do not as they have much tighter restrictions and attitudes. Hence I would follow the developed western societies and not the outlier that is the USA. Wouldn't you?

Billy86

DickSwiveller wrote: »

You mean you disagree with them.

No, he means their whole campaign was based on a lack of sensitivity, scare mongering and lies.

Lackey

Dookie Monster wrote: »

Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already

And the priests who show compassion and care to families, and overseen a burial in a Catholic graveyard, and blessing of babies with FFA who were induced in England because that option was not available in Ireland.

Should those priests be ex communicated too?

I wish everyone would stop with the Catholic sh!ite...its 2018, you can have your religion and still vote yes to SSM and 8th and everything in between.

Many people of faith called for repeal.

DickSwiveller

Necrominus wrote: »

Yeah, populists gonna populist.

My hope is they are voted out at the next GE, truly show the Healy-Raes and their ilk that parish pump politics in Ireland is a thing of the past.

Country, not constituency first.

But I doubt it will bring about meaningful change tbh.

What is with you people? Do you want any diversity of opinion in politics? Does everyone have to be a liberal trendy? I don't want to live in country where conformist and groupthink opinion are the only ones allowed

erica74

neonsofa

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I sincerely hope you have the b#lls to tell the child of a single mother who has been left in the situation you describe you think it would have been better they were aborted. I doubt you will have that courage. Many women have been put in difficult positions I agree. Many produced the most wonderful children which brought great happiness to their mothers and grandparents lives. Do you still think they should have been aborted?

I'm a single mother, brought my own wonderful kids to the polling station yesterday and voted yes. To allow them to make their own choices just like I did.

Necro

DickSwiveller wrote:

What is with you people? Do you want any diversity of opinion in politics? Does everyone have to be a liberal trendy? I don't want to live in country where conformist and groupthink opinion are the only ones allowed

Of course I want diversity. I want my TDs to put their country first....

You know, the JOB they are elected to do?

Leave the surfacing of roads to the county councillors who are also elected officials.

DickSwiveller

Necrominus wrote: »

Of course I want diversity. I want my TDs to put their country first....

You know, the JOB they are elected to do?

Leave the surfacing of roads to the county councillors who are also elected officials.

So do I. But they shouldn't all have to conform to one view which is what many here seem to think.

Itssoeasy

What is interesting is that political rivals from very different political views. I mean MLMcD and Michael Martin being best friends. Brid smith being on camera with the same FG TDs who in the dail she would be disagreeing with.

Noveight

erica74 wrote: »

Why so?

Much of the reaction seems to be a bit over the top and bordering on vicariousness, tbh.

Necro

DickSwiveller wrote:

So do I. But they shouldn't all have to conform to one view which is what many here seem to think.

Wasn't the intention of my post, but I would imagine those who voted No should in fact feel abandoned by those in office who shared their views but now intend to toe the party line, or in the case of the independents... whatever keeps them in the money.

It might be political suicide but those elected officials who voted No should now live or die (politically) by that vote.