Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Fighting Tao

seachto7 wrote: »

Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

If you mean the younger generation then you can't say that. Sure don't you know that billions of them came home to vote Yes???

mirrorwall14

Billy86 wrote: »

I only caught it in the background but I THINK I just heard Mattie McGrath say "yes of course" he will respect the vote and work towards enacting it "because I am elected in a democracy".

Ronan Mullen should take note.

Yeah but he also said he'd be pushing for amendments because there should be "respect for all sides". You lost Mattie. Suck it up

ohnonotgmail

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Practically the same as the turnout for the last general election. There is always a cohort of people who never vote.

Noveight

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests Ireland isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Got me thinking about how we stack up against the UK/rest of Europe/internationally in terms of voter turnout.

BarleySweets

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, you’re wrong.

How so?

It wasnt me123

eviltwin wrote: »

I was at the Savita mural in Dublin today. .

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

Itssoeasy

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

vg88

seachto7 wrote: »

64% turnout is disappointing no? And a 66% Yes is also disappointing.... at least it passed

Until there is a reform of the way we vote, i.e. postal voting, online voting, proxy voting, able to vote in embassies etc. We will never see anything IMO higher than 65% as one day of voting is impossible to get everyone in.

In today's age I really wish we could do a better voting system than only having your name crossed out with a pencil and using a pencil to put a square in a box beside the place you live.

Water John

You mean if Savita was in her home country, she'd be alive today.

Fr_Dougal

BarleySweets wrote: »

How so?

Read my earlier posts, and have a look at the replies. All of them.

Beechwoodspark

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

Bernard Shaw in portobello

ohnonotgmail

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

I bet you it's not.

eviltwin

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm going to dublin tomorrow, where abouts is it?

South Richmond Street beside the Eatyard. Top of Camden St.

seachto7

seachto7 wrote: »

36% of people either couldn’t care, were on holidays or living abroad ? A higher turnout would have been encouraging.
A lower turnout for the marriage referendum suggests Ireland isn’t as liberal and progressive as it would like to think. Or else the me me me generation just couldn’t care about others.

Half of them could be dead, sick, moved abroad, double registered etc etc, there will never be a 100% turn out.

I recieved 2 polling cards and a polling card for somebody who hasnt lived at this address in years.

The register is a mess as far as I can tell, and Id say this is a great turnout.

Billy86

Shurimgreat wrote: »

You left out India and China from countries with abortion rights. Why?

Can you please stop lying? This isn't the first time on this matter you have on this matter. China is right there in the list.

India does not allow it 'on request' and so is not offering 'full abortion rights' as I mentioned.

So let's make a list of countries that allow in all instances except 'on request': United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Now, by intentionally not answering you've already admitted you were wrong and that the list of countries who allow full abortion rights would on average be far better to live in, so let's do the same again here. If you were told tomorrow you had to live in a random country out of one of the following lists, which list would you go for?

List A: United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

or

List B: Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

wakka12

Donegal is the only constituent to vote NO of the 39, and it was very close
YES (48.1%)32,559
NO (51.9%)35,091
Overall not bad eh

Billy86

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Yeah but he also said he'd be pushing for amendments because there should be "respect for all sides". You lost Mattie. Suck it up

Ah ok, missed that part.

RhubarbCrumble

Women of Ireland we've done ourselves proud, and to all the gentlemen who voted yes, thank you for caring about us.

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mattie McGrath sounding like he will not stop the will of the people and will be engaging constructively in the process.

I hope that's true. The only person I had any real dislike of on the no side was Ronan Mullen. I dislike him a lot.

"The will of the people"

Stop with the brexiteer absolutism.

Ths issue now has to be dealt with like any other legislation in the dail and all TDs are free to support it, oppose it or try to amend it.

Mattie thinks it going to get him votes in his own constituency and that is his chief consideration. The next election will tell.

Mutant z

The other thread was locked yesterday but now that the votes have been counted its beyond certain that yes have won at an absolute landslide i would like to say congratulations to everyone that voted to democratically change the 8th ammendment of the constitution. You all played such an important part on such a historic occasion for this country. I hope all those who voted no can accept the results gracefully and with dignity they also used their democratic mandate to vote for what they believed in but yes won out by a comfortable margin in the end so there can be very little complaints the majority have voted yes in a free democratic election its a very proud day for this country.

Billy86

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Again India and China are bad choices due to reasons of female infanticide in these countries. Very bad choices. I will post seperately on the topic.

You are making a terrible argument for abortion by using countries like India and China as examples.

You also fail to understand that most of the civilised countries with abortion such as Japan are struggling with low birth rates which will have disastrous consequences in future decades.

Free abortion rights or not.

I see you've now edited your entire post. I never mentioned India, not sure why you're trying to say that's a bad choice? The argument is about which is a better country to live in and try to emulate on such matters.

You yourself already agreed that countries with free abortion rights are significantly more civil and better on average to live in that those with abortion laws similar to ours now by way of your refusing to answer. The argument is over unless you want to try and address that.

Fr_Dougal

keith_sixteen

Graces7 wrote: »

Mayo low too; I think the highest NO

And? They voted yes? Why single them out as the "highest NO". More people voted YES...

Noveight

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Read my earlier posts, and have a look at the replies. All of them.

Many find it far more convenient to pop in and out as suits, unfortunately.

Trasna1

So you opened after hours and thought to yourself "I know what this place needs, another thread on the referendum"

Shurimgreat

Billy86 wrote: »

Can you please stop lying? This isn't the first time on this matter you have on this matter. China is right there in the list.

India does not allow it 'on request' and so is not offering 'full abortion rights' as I mentioned.

So let's make a list of countries that allow in all instances except 'on request': United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Now, by intentionally not answering you've already admitted you were wrong and that the list of countries who allow full abortion rights would on average be far better to live in, so let's do the same again here. If you were told tomorrow you had to live in a random country out of one of the following lists, which list would you go for?

List A: United Kingdom, Japan, India, Zambia, Finland, Iceland, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines

or

List B: Angola, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, São Tomé and Príncipe, South Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, Djibouti, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Somalia, Iraq, Andorra, San Marino, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Lesotho, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay, Suriname, Venezuela, Tonga, Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Palau.

If i was female certainly not to be conceived in China or India.
In fact I wouldn't like to be conceived/born/live in any country on list A because there would be a reasonable prospect of not being allowed to exist. That's fairly logical don't you think.

I'd choose perhaps the one country where i'd have the best chance of avoiding being aborted, surviving until birth and living a reasonably prosperous life. In other words Ireland as it currently stands.

CruelCoin

I know that legislation will take time to be drafted, debated, voted, etc.

But, what happens to the constitution?

Has the referendum applied with immediate effect, or does Higgins have to sign it into law, etc.

How does that work?

Noveight

Mutant z wrote: »

I hope all those who voted no can accept the results gracefully and with dignity

Oh, the ironing!

Kermit.de.frog

So the government can now legislate for "Abortion for Convenience" up to 12 weeks?

A Pint of Goo

The ****ing thing is finally over and now I have to endure weeks of back slapping and self congratulation.

Back to my cave I go.

amcalester

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So the government can now legislate for "Abortion for Convenience" up to 12 weeks?

Mandatory abortions too.

And post birth abortions.

No baby is safe.

Kermit.de.frog

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

Women of Ireland we've done ourselves proud, and to all the gentlemen who voted yes, thank you for caring about us.

I don't see how men voting "no" somehow implies they don't care about women.

Everyone has different opinions on social issues particularly emotive ones.

Vita nova

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

Women of Ireland we've done ourselves proud, and to all the gentlemen who voted yes, thank you for caring about us.

As someone on twitter said, "Mnásome"

Mutant z

Trasna1 wrote: »

So you opened after hours and thought to yourself "I know what this place needs, another thread on the referendum"

The referendum is done and dusted im merely offering my congratulations on the result.

AllForIt

wakka12 wrote: »

Donegal is the only constituent to vote NO of the 39, and it was very close
YES (48.1%)32,559
NO (51.9%)35,091
Overall not bad eh

Uh oh, Donegal is the new Roscommon.

CruelCoin

amcalester wrote: »

Mandatory abortions too.

And post birth abortions.

No baby is safe.

I got my aborting boots ready in advance! Matching jacket and everything.

Kermit.de.frog

amcalester wrote: »

Mandatory abortions too.

And post birth abortions.

No baby is safe.

Can they or can't they?

Drumpot

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

The ****ing thing is finally over and now I have to endure weeks of back slapping and self congratulation.

Back to my cave I go.

Ireland has updated its status to

Billy86

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If i was female certainly not to be conceived in China or India.
In fact I wouldn't like to be conceived/born/live in any country on list A because there would be a reasonable prospect of not being allowed to exist. That's fairly logical don't you think.

I'd choose perhaps the one country where i'd have the best chance of avoiding being aborted, surviving until birth and living a reasonably prosperous life. In other words Ireland as it currently stands.

So you would prefer to have been born in Somalia than the UK.

Yeah... I definitely believe you and I definitely you believe that too. :pac:

_Dara_

I’m dying of cancer and thought I’d be long gone by the time Ireland legalised abortion. Looks like I’ll live to see it! I’m so glad I didn’t die before seeing this seismic change. And the fact that it was so emphatic is the cherry on top.

AllForIt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see how men voting "no" somehow implies they don't care about women.

Everyone has different opinions on social issues particularly emotive ones.

Some of the nonsense things ppl say, Kay Burly was reading out comments one of which was 'at last equal rights for women'. I didn't know Irish men were allowed to have abortions.

Shurimgreat

Billy I feel neither of us will concede on this and its also a bit repetitive and I hate when that happens on a thread.

I'd ask you and others to read this. Its quite interesting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

If you think abortion in some of these countries represents civilisation fair enough. But I disagree.

That's my last post on the topic.

spookwoman

AllForIt wrote: »

Some of the nonsense things ppl say, Kay Burly was reading out comments one of which was 'at last equal rights for women'. I didn't know Irish men were allowed to have abortions.

Is there anything in the constitution controlling mens reproductive organs?

Conservative

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

The ****ing thing is finally over and now I have to endure weeks of back slapping and self congratulation.

Back to my cave I go.

Just saw a report on BBC from Dublin Castle..

Some old gob****e with a guitar singing "Don't you know talking about a referendum sounds like a whisper".

If I have to listen to much more of this I will be aborting myself!!

amcalester

Conservative wrote: »

Just saw a report on BBC from Dublin Castle..

Some old gob****e with a guitar singing "Don't you know talking about a referendum sounds like a whisper".

If I have to listen to much more of this I will be aborting myself!!

See, everyone’s pro-choice when it affects themselves.

retro:electro

amcalester wrote: »

Mandatory abortions too.

And post birth abortions.

No baby is safe.

Actually I’m not even pregnant and I’m planning an abortion. I hear they’re all the rage. Will I pick you up one while I’m there?

Zubeneschamali

AllForIt wrote: »

I didn't know Irish men were allowed to have abortions.

They have the right to have abortions.

Billy86

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Billy I feel neither of us will concede on this and its also a bit repetitive and I hate when that happens on a thread.

I'd ask you and others to read this. Its quite interesting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

If you think abortion in some of these countries represents civilisation fair enough. But I disagree.

That's my last post on the topic.

I'm well aware of that but when the alternative is teenage girls being sent to prison for 30 years for potentially abortion a rape baby (which was also potentially a miscarriage), I know which I would consider the lesser of two evils, and so do 2/3rds of the Irish voting public.

I also know which company I would rather avoid living in on an average between the three lists of countries given, and I suspect almost all would agree. So I guess we'll just have to leave it there.

Movementarian

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If i was female certainly not to be conceived in China or India.
In fact I wouldn't like to be conceived/born/live in any country on list A because there would be a reasonable prospect of not being allowed to exist. That's fairly logical don't you think.

I'd choose perhaps the one country where i'd have the best chance of avoiding being aborted, surviving until birth and living a reasonably prosperous life. In other words Ireland as it currently stands.

You really have to be the most condescending horrible person on this thread. Others are posting fake facts and nonsense but every one of your posts has this pervasive theme of 'every baby is at risk of being aborted'. It really is disgusting. And dont even attempt to deny it, what else would you mean by 'best chance of avoiding being aborted'.

Then you have the audacity to criticise other peoples reactions on here when you are constantly provoking. You seem like a horrible person.

BoJack Horseman

retro:electro wrote: »

Actually I’m not even pregnant and I’m planning an abortion. I hear they’re all the rage. Will I pick you up one while I’m there?

Get your card stamped.

10th one is free