Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

How Soon Is Now

Conservative wrote: »

Just saw a report on BBC from Dublin Castle..

Some old gob****e with a guitar singing "Don't you know talking about a referendum sounds like a whisper".

If I have to listen to much more of this I will be aborting myself!!

I'm sure everyone can get few more days out the repeal jumpers and t shirts before they start to smell.

Ireland ain't in the world cup this summer so guess got to celebrate something eh!

Kermit.de.frog

retro:electro wrote: »

Actually I’m not even pregnant and I’m planning an abortion. I hear they’re all the rage. Will I pick you up one while I’m there?

I'll ask the question again because it appears some don't want to answer it.

So the government can now legislate for "Abortion for Convenience" up to 12 weeks?

It can or it can't? It will legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?

That's all I want to know.

Thanks.

ohnonotgmail

AllForIt wrote: »

Some of the nonsense things ppl say, Kay Burly was reading out comments one of which was 'at last equal rights for women'. I didn't know men were allowed to have abortions.

If men could get pregnant the 8th would never have existed.

Shurimgreat

Movementarian wrote: »

You really have to be the most condescending horrible person on this thread. Others are posting fake facts and nonsense but every one of your posts has this pervasive theme of 'every baby is at risk of being aborted'. It really is disgusting. And dont even attempt to deny it, what else would you mean by 'best chance of avoiding being aborted'.

Then you have the audacity to criticise other peoples reactions on here when you are constantly provoking. You seem like a horrible person.

And you have to be the most immature. Say hello to my ignore list.

amcalester

retro:electro wrote: »

Actually I’m not even pregnant and I’m planning an abortion. I hear they’re all the rage. Will I pick you up one while I’m there?

No time for that, I’ve to start the Euthanasia campaign.

Only way to sort the pension timebomb.

ohnonotgmail

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll ask the question again because it appears some don't want to answer it.



It can or it can't? It will legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?

That's all I want to know.

Thanks.

there is no mention of "Abortion for Convenience" in the heads of the bill published so probably not.

Conservative

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Just saw a report on BBC from Dublin Castle..

Some old gob****e with a guitar singing "Don't you know talking about a referendum sounds like a whisper".

If I have to listen to much more of this I will be aborting myself!!

I'm sure everyone can get few more days out the repeal jumpers and t shirts before they start to smell.

Ireland ain't in the world cup this summer so guess got to celebrate something eh!

Spoken like a true Morrissey fan.

amcalester

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll ask the question again because it appears some don't want to answer it.



It can or it can't? It will legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?

That's all I want to know.

Thanks.

Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancies.

Sheeps

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If men could get pregnant the 8th would never have existed.

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

How Soon Is Now

Sheeps wrote: »

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Be prepared to be amazed it's only starting!

Billy86

Sheeps wrote: »

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

To be honest I can't decide I agree with you, or if it's actually 100% correct.

ohnonotgmail

Sheeps wrote: »

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Good retort. I couldn't possibly debate with such a master of the art.

suicide_circus

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Get your card stamped.

10th one is free

Kermit.de.frog

amcalester wrote: »

Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancies.

Is it the government's position that it wants to legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?


This is important because if we extrapolate the figures from the UK which is 190,000 abortions per year give or take and they are supposed to have restrictions in terms of medical need (mental health etc) and we apply an even laxer regime here to 12 weeks...

...then that means it is very likely that we could be seeing up to 16,000 abortions per year in Ireland in, say, 10 years.

Am I missing something or are people suggesting that Irish people are culturally so dissimilar to British that that would not be the case?

I'm not casting aspirations by the way. I'm just teasing out from the evidence from next door and the evidence suggests that abortions are going to increase very significantly among Irish women.

That 16,000 figure (if it came even close to it) has implications for the structure of the country's population pyramid as well which I did not see touched on at all. There is a potential serious economic cost here if we got close to that.

Zubeneschamali

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It will legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?

That's the plan.


They will have to pass it like any other legislation, though.

erica74

retro:electro wrote: »

Actually I’m not even pregnant and I’m planning an abortion. I hear they’re all the rage. Will I pick you up one while I’m there?

Me too, I'll give you a few quid for petrol, we can get some lunch afterwards and compare notes.

Zubeneschamali

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Am I missing something or are people suggesting that Irish people are culturally so dissimilar to British that that would not be the case?

Yes, lots of people are saying that we are different and that that would not be the case.


As you say, we shall see.

neonsofa

erica74 wrote: »

Me too, I'll give you a few quid for petrol, we can get some lunch afterwards and compare notes.

I thought skiing had to be involved at some stage.

Justin Credible Darts

the continuous crying by the no sulkers makes for hilarious reading

erica74

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is it the government's position that it wants to legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?


This is important because if we extrapolate the figures from the UK which is 190,000 abortions per year give or take and they are supposed to have restrictions in terms of medical need (mental health etc) and we apply an even laxer regime here to 12 weeks...

...then that means it is very likely that we could be seeing up to 16,000 abortions per year in Ireland in, say, 10 years.

Am I missing something or are people suggesting that Irish people are culturally so dissimilar to British that that would not be the case?

I'm not casting aspirations by the way. I'm just teasing out from the evidence from next door and the evidence suggests that abortions are going to increase very significantly among Irish women.

Or, the number may remain the same or similar, who knows.
Imagine if the number of abortions went down and live births went up, you'd lose your mind!

RayCun

If you want to reduce the abortion rate, work on getting real sex education into schools (rather than the religious ****e pushed by the Iona crowd), wider access to contraception (as opposed by the Iona crowd), and maybe even some education about consent and bodily autonomy (as opposed etc etc).

strandroad

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

...then that means it is very likely that we could be seeing up to 16,000 abortions per year in Ireland in, say, 10 years.

Am I missing something or are people suggesting that Irish people are culturally so dissimilar to British that that would not be the case?

I'm not casting aspirations by the way. I'm just teasing out from the evidence from next door and the evidence suggests that abortions are going to increase very significantly among Irish women.

It will increase and it will cause a lot of drama but it's because posted pills were never captured in statistics and now they will be.

Trips to UK are only captured if the woman gives an Irish address too, and many who were staying with their friends or relatives would give their address instead; actual numbers are higher.

Expect the numbers to rise for these two reasons alone.

amcalester

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That 16,000 figure (if it came even close to it) has implications for the structure of the country's population pyramid as well which I did not see touched on at all. There is a potential serious economic cost here if we got close to that.

Which is why I am launching a campaign to legalize euthanasia to tip the scales back into equilibrium.

My suggestion is that euthanasia licenses will be issued on a 1:1 ratio to abortion pill prescriptions taking into account both race and religion.

erica74

neonsofa wrote: »

I thought skiing had to be involved at some stage.

It's a bit late in the year for skiing, we're going to Ibiza.

Glad to see the result of the vote as it helps the people who will really need it.

Apart from this two other things resulting from the vote are making me happy.

First that people were able to see past all the lies and bull of the no side, from both the official campaign and from posters on here and other online platforms. Perhaps actually together for yes should send them all big thank you posts because they definitely help push a lot of people towards yes.

Secondly what is making me happy are the trolls and the snary comments about the result from some established posters on the site on this very thread.
The same established posters who are consistently posting fu*k knuckle style threads and replies about women and other issues around equality and the type of country Ireland is becoming in threads on the site and moan about it being for feminazis, soyboys etc.

Why do the make me happy? Because the vote today was a vote for women and this has them sitting at home going mental that the majority of the country don't share their views and that apart from a few other dickhea*s it shows what sad little people they are and how the majority feel about their ideas and opinions, and they just can't do anything about it other than come onto the thread and post their usual sh*te.

Anyway off for a pint in celebration, well done to all who voted yes today you did the best thing you could have for your loved ones and strangers you'll never know.

Dyr

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the continuous crying by the no sulkers makes for hilarious reading

At least they're not rattling their beads and bangin on about eternal damnation

mzungu

strandroad wrote: »

It will increase and it will cause a lot of drama but it's because posted pills were never captured in statistics and now they will be.

Trips to UK are only captured if the woman gives an Irish address too, and many who were staying with their friends or relatives would give their address instead; actual numbers are higher.

Expect the numbers to rise for these two reasons alone.

Aye, in the grand scheme of things there won't be much difference in the true figures once it is fully legalised and when everything you mentioned above is taken into consideration. Plus, in most western countries where abortion has been legalised the rates decrease over time. Thankfully, I believe that will happen here. We will have less abortions when we legalise it, than we ever did when it was legal.

I should also add that I am glad Leo Varadkar reiterated his intent to have some kind of proper sex education for teens. That is something that is long overdue.

Allan Blandford

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If i was female certainly not to be conceived in China or India.
In fact I wouldn't like to be conceived/born/live in any country on list A because there would be a reasonable prospect of not being allowed to exist. That's fairly logical don't you think.

I'd choose perhaps the one country where i'd have the best chance of avoiding being aborted, surviving until birth and living a reasonably prosperous life. In other words Ireland as it currently stands.

Don't worry because by the law of karma only those who voted yes are going to be aborted .

Zubeneschamali

Bambi wrote: »

At least they're not rattling their beads and bangin on about eternal damnation

They have learned not to do that in public. That's why they set up Iona, to be a lay charity group who just by coincidence agree with everything a Bishop ever said.

fxotoole

I'd love to hear what that poster who said he'd "bust a nut" today when No won is doing tonight?

Shurimgreat

Ah jokes about abortion.

Its great isn't it!

Zubeneschamali

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Its great isn't it!

It really, really is. So, so happy since the polls last night.

Aidric

DubInMeath wrote: »

First that people were able to see past all the lies and bull of the no side, from both the official campaign and from posters on here and other online platforms. Perhaps actually together for yes should send them all big thank you posts because they definitely help push a lot of people towards yes.

The same sex marriage referendum showed the Irish electorate to be mature, fair, considerate, reflective and above all compassionate. It was the first time in our recent history a definitive statement on the conscious of the nation.

That result gave me quiet confidence that this vote would go the same way. The no campaign was defined by fudge and obfuscation. Moreover it was spearheaded by some pretty closeted headbangers who represent an Ireland of a different era. On mature reflection the contributions of the no side would have swung any undecided voters to the yes side.

An historic day by any benchmark. Congratulations to all those yes campaigners who led such an honest campaign.

circadian

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Ah jokes about abortion.

Its great isn't it!

Better than outright lies.

CruelCoin

fxotoole wrote: »

I'd love to hear what that poster who said he'd "bust a nut" today when No won is doing tonight?

Angry **** instead?

Justin Credible Darts

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

They have learned not to do that in public. That's why they set up Iona, to be a lay charity group who just by coincidence agree with everything a Bishop ever said.

no no no...thats just a coincidence

amcalester

CruelCoin wrote: »

Angry **** instead?

self-flagellation probably.

freshpopcorn

I flicked on the live stream of mass there to see what the priest would say and the priest gave a sermon basically saying. You either with us or against us basically and make up your mind!

CruelCoin

amcalester wrote: »

self-flagellation probably.

I'm half expecting the local god botherers to be doing this around Dublin Castle:

January

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is it the government's position that it wants to legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?

Without restriction as to reason. There will be plenty of restrictions such as the 72 hour waiting period and the fact a gp has to sign off on and report it.

Overheal

fxotoole wrote: »

I'd love to hear what that poster who said he'd "bust a nut" today when No won is doing tonight?

Something about renting a windowless van

wexie

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I flicked on the live stream of mass there to see what the priest would say and the priest gave a sermon basically saying. You either with us or against us basically and make up your mind!

one day they'll do that and then have a conniption when people start getting up to leave

fxotoole

My understanding is that it is restricted in the sense that abortion won't be provided in the case that the foetus is diagnosed with Downs Syndrome etc

suicide_circus

fxotoole wrote: »

My understanding is that it is restricted in the sense that abortion won't be provided in the case that the foetus is diagnosed with Downs Syndrome etc

So it's her body her choice....until the baby has downs. At which point she's booking a Ryanair flight?

Perfectly healthy baby's- abortion good up til 12 weeks but disabled babies are exempt from this fate?

_Dara_

Aidric wrote: »

The same sex marriage referendum showed the Irish electorate to be mature, fair, considerate, reflective and above all compassionate. It was the first time in our recent history a definitive statement on the conscious of the nation.

That result gave me quiet confidence that this vote would go the same way. The no campaign was defined by fudge and obfuscation. Moreover it was spearheaded by some pretty closeted headbangers who represent an Ireland of a different era. On mature reflection the contributions of the no side would have swung any undecided voters to the yes side.

An historic day by any benchmark. Congratulations to all those yes campaigners who led such an honest campaign.

I hoped that would be true also but couldn’t bring myself to hope too hard.

amcalester

fxotoole wrote: »

My understanding is that it is restricted in the sense that abortion won't be provided in the case that the foetus is diagnosed with Downs Syndrome etc

That’s not checked for nor easily (if at all) diagnosed before 12 weeks.

Once the pregnancy is less than 12 weeks the woman will be allowed abort once the 72 hours has lapsed.

I’m not sure what happens if the 72 hours takes the pregnancy over the 12 week mark.

Most will occur weeks before that though.

Loafing Oaf

Overheal

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is it the government's position that it wants to legislate without restrictions to 12 weeks?


This is important because if we extrapolate the figures from the UK which is 190,000 abortions per year give or take and they are supposed to have restrictions in terms of medical need (mental health etc) and we apply an even laxer regime here to 12 weeks...

...then that means it is very likely that we could be seeing up to 16,000 abortions per year in Ireland in, say, 10 years.

Am I missing something or are people suggesting that Irish people are culturally so dissimilar to British that that would not be the case?

I'm not casting aspirations by the way. I'm just teasing out from the evidence from next door and the evidence suggests that abortions are going to increase very significantly among Irish women.

That 16,000 figure (if it came even close to it) has implications for the structure of the country's population pyramid as well which I did not see touched on at all. There is a potential serious economic cost here if we got close to that.

I think you’ve highlighted the danger of extrapolation.



There is more data to suggest that, within some number of years depending on how the rollout of access occurs, abortion rates will reach some peak rate per 1000 live births that will never be seen again because of being coupled with greater sex education and access to contraceptives. This was the case in the US also - 7 years after Roe vs Wade and those rates we’re never seen again.



Either way you can be certain that UK figures are going to dip in the next few years.

Sofiztikated

My prediction for number on the first year will be ~9k.

This will account for those that would travel anyway, those taking pills at home, those that could not otherwise access a termination, and those that will travel to the state for a termination (Northern Ireland citizens will find crossing to the border easier than getting a flight. )

Overheal

Sofiztikated wrote: »

My prediction for number on the first year will be ~9k.

This will account for those that would travel anyway, those taking pills at home, those that could not otherwise access a termination, and those that will travel to the state for a termination (Northern Ireland citizens will find crossing to the border easier than getting a flight. )

I don’t think the first year will be that high unless national rollout is swift. The peak rate will be seen in a few years, not immediately. It will take time to establish regulated alternative to the online ordered pills etc. and get people over the table.