Tommy Robinson jailed

thebull85

AfterLife wrote: »

Some people can't see that abusing brown, black and Irish people in the UK is racist. I'd imagine most of these people are culturally deficient themselves. The type that jump on any opportunity to abuse travellers in this country, you know the type? They might think about reading a history book or two for starters.

You should read a book, its called a dictionary. Look up the word racist. You're welcome.

Hammar

Mutant z wrote: »

As some were formally members of the communist party so what's your point.

You claim Robinson "has associated with people from every race" yet he is a former member of an openly racist party. Nobody buys it.

super_furry

Some people are willing to overlook and defend anything as long as they're able to have a go at muslims.

Clearly anti-Irish and someone who hates Ireland? Check.
A convicted football hooligan and con-man? Check.
Putting the trial of a group of alleged sex attackers at risk? Check.
Risking outing the identity of those underage sex attack victims? Check.
Stupid enough to do all of the above and reactivate a suspended sentence? Check.

"Who cares about all that though? He hates muslims so he's alright by me!"

ohnonotgmail

Omackeral wrote: »

wes did. He's said it more than once. I think they're the words of a scrote bag, don't get it twisted, but I don't think it's racist.

you left out the bit of my post where i said it was anti-irish and it was posted in response to somebody who said that Stephen wasnt anti-irish. How convenient.

Hector Savage

AfterLife wrote: »

Some people can't see that abusing brown, black and Irish people in the UK is racist. I'd imagine most of these people are culturally deficient themselves. The type that jump on any opportunity to abuse travellers in this country, you know the type? They might think about reading a history book or two for starters.

You're right, I mean I can't imagine why anyone would have an issue with travellers in Ireland

Lovely lovely people.

Mutant z

Hammar wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

As some were formally members of the communist party so what's your point.

You claim Robinson "has associated with people from every race" yet he is a former member of an openly racist party. Nobody buys it.

So what what's that got to do with now everyone has some sort of history and anyway that doesn't make him any less right what he says about Islam.

super_furry

Mutant z wrote: »

So what what's that got to do with now everyone has some sort of history and anyway that doesn't make him any less right what he says about Islam.

Case in point.

Omackeral

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you left out the bit of my post where i said it was anti-irish and it was posted in response to somebody who said that Stephen wasnt anti-irish. How convenient.

Because I was responding to this. You said;

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nobody said it was (racist).

The poster wes did, more than once, on here. The quote is for your convenience.

wes

Omackeral wrote: »

Because I was responding to this. You said;

The poster wes did, more than once, on here. The quote is for your convenience.

Your arguing semantics at this point to defend ol Tommy. He is not a fan of Irish people and was more than happy to deploy racist imagery. You can choose to deny and defend that. The more you do, the more hilarious it gets. The man hates Irish people and you are spending so much time defending him for whatever reason.

super_furry

Christ, if you're left arguing over semantics as to whether Tommy Robinson is racist against Irish people or just really hates them, maybe it's time to re-examine your defence of him.

Hammar

Mutant z wrote: »

So what what's that got to do with now everyone has some sort of history and anyway that doesn't make him any less right what he says about Islam.

"Everyone" doesn't have some sort of history of joining far-right racist parties.

Omackeral

wes wrote: »

Your arguing semantics at this point to defend ol Tommy. He is not a fan of Irish people and was more than happy to deploy racist imagery. You can choose to deny and defend that. The more you do, the more hilarious it gets. The man hates Irish people and you are spending so much time defending him for whatever reason.

Sigh. I'm not defending him. I called his behavior scummy. Do you remember that? I called it ignorant. It was about 15 minutes ago. I challenged whether that's racist or not. Didn't defend any of the words or statements. You're literally making stuff up.

wes

Omackeral wrote: »

Sigh. I'm not defending him. I called his behavior scummy. Do you remember that? I called it ignorant. It was about 15 minutes ago. I challenged whether that's racist or not. Didn't defend any of the words or statements. You're literally making stuff up.

Come on now. He is deliberately using racist imagery that was used against Irish people for centuries. Of course he is racist against Irish people. I don't see much point in the semantic argument here at all.

Omackeral

super_furry wrote: »

Christ, if you're left arguing over semantics as to whether Tommy Robinson is racist against Irish people or just really hates them, maybe it's time to re-examine your defence of him.

You call it semantics if you want. I just think the race card gets played far too often and if you don't like that being challenged, then that says more about you. Bringing a tidy mob to a football match is what scumbags do. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it racist? Ugh.

Anyway, I'm starving with Ramadan being on, which way is Mecca and I'll lash out a few prayers with you in mind.

Billy86

Omackeral wrote: »

Sigh. I'm not defending him. I called his behavior scummy. Do you remember that? I called it ignorant. It was about 15 minutes ago. I challenged whether that's racist or not. Didn't defend any of the words or statements. You're literally making stuff up.

Strictly speaking racism might not be the right term because we're not our own race, but it definitely does assert that he thinks England and English people are superior to us plastic paddy's who just sit around picking potatoes and cabbage all day.

Its the same as if he were a white guy in the US saying "thank God I didn't grow up in a black neighbourhood or I'd still be sitting around eating chicken and watermelon all day".

ohnonotgmail

Omackeral wrote: »

You call it semantics if you want. I just think the race card gets played far too often and if you don't like that being challenged, then that says more about you. Bringing a tidy mob to a football match is what scumbags do. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it racist? Ugh.

Anyway, I'm starving with Ramadan being on, which way is Mecca and I'll lash out a few prayers with you in mind.

still got another 4 hours to wait.

ohnonotgmail

Omackeral wrote: »

You call it semantics if you want. I just think the race card gets played far too often and if you don't like that being challenged, then that says more about you. Bringing a tidy mob to a football match is what scumbags do. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it racist? Ugh.

Anyway, I'm starving with Ramadan being on, which way is Mecca and I'll lash out a few prayers with you in mind.

would you settle for xenophobic instead of racist then?

super_furry

Omackeral wrote: »

You call it semantics if you want. I just think the race card gets played far too often and if you don't like that being challenged, then that says more about you. Bringing a tidy mob to a football match is what scumbags do. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it racist? Ugh.

Anyway, I'm starving with Ramadan being on, which way is Mecca and I'll lash out a few prayers with you in mind.

Would have thought someone so clearly obsessed with Islam would know where Mecca is automatically.

bubbles o hara

It's so easy these days to bandy words around. I've been called a racist Nazi.



We were discussing American politics and I simply said to this person that I thought Obama was one of the worst presidents in history, and she branded me a racist Nazi. :pac:

wes

Omackeral wrote: »

You call it semantics if you want. I just think the race card gets played far too often and if you don't like that being challenged, then that says more about you. Bringing a tidy mob to a football match is what scumbags do. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it racist? Ugh.

"Race card"? Really, that old canard. Even if what you said about the "race card" was true, it doesn't have bearing the current topic. Robinson uses racist imagery in language to describe Irish people, saying that is racist is perfectly valid thing to say regardless of "race card" usage. Your simply fail to address that for some reason.

As for his criminal activities, well he seems to like enraging Celtic fans, so he is a big fan of sectarianism as well.

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyway, I'm starving with Ramadan being on, which way is Mecca and I'll lash out a few prayers with you in mind.

Few hour left before fasting ends today for Ramadan .

Omackeral

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you settle for xenophobic instead of racist then?

Yes, I would. A lot more accurate, truthful and palatable. I wouldn't have much of an issue with him being described as xenophobic to be honest. People are taking me up wrong going ''oh you're defending him, you're a fan boy''. I'm not. I'm just sick to death of everything being labelled racist.

Call Me Jimmy

Breach of the peace, the same law used to silence relatives of victims in rotherham. Sorry if I have less than the utmost respect for the police in the uk in this context. I'm no fanboy of Robinson, whatever that means.

These giant criminal cases are in no small part about the ability of perpetrators to continue victimising because of a heterodoxy around speaking out. And people are machine-gunning 'racist,bigot' to anyone in this thread who see potential red flags around the police treatment of Robinson.

Omackeral

super_furry wrote: »

Would have thought someone so clearly obsessed with Islam would know where Mecca is automatically.

I'm not obsessed with Islam whatsoever, I just resent it being referred to as a race. I've defended Muslim people plenty on here as well as criticized Islam. Feel free to search my post history. Shades of grey are wonderful, doesn't always have to be absolute and rabble off.

ohnonotgmail

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Breach of the peace, the same law used to silence relatives of victims in rotherham. Sorry if I have less than the utmost respect for the police in the uk in this context. I'm no fanboy of Robinson, whatever that means.

These giant criminal cases are in no small part about the ability of perpetrators to continue victimising because of a heterodoxy around speaking out. And people are machine-gunning 'racist,bigot' to anyone in this thread who see potential red flags around the police treatment of Robinson.

breach of the peace is what he was arrested for. He was jailed for breaking the terms of his suspended sentence.

Call Me Jimmy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

breach of the peace is what he was arrested for. He was jailed for breaking the terms of his suspended sentence.

I know, they still used it to get him in handcuffs what point are you making? Are the terms as you outlined earlier, calling them 'paedophiles' when he did no such thing?

Grayson

bubbles o hara wrote: »

It's so easy these days to bandy words around. I've been called a racist Nazi.

I was called a crypto islamofascist on boards because i said not all muslims are terrorists.

Crypto Islamofascist.....Seriously......

wes

Grayson wrote: »

Crypto Islamofascist.....Seriously......

Did anyone get around to creating that crypto currency .

Call Me Jimmy

Grayson wrote: »

I was called a crypto islamofascist on boards because i said not all muslims are terrorists.

Crypto Islamofascist.....Seriously......

That is gold

deco nate

wes wrote: »

Well, the accused are applying for mistrials. Also, the accused names have been spread around the Internet, including on this thread. Its amazing that you lads are so supportive of giving the accused more ammunition to get themselves a mistrial.

Their names were in the printed press before anyone shared them online, one of the papers that printed them was the sun! So that's bollox

wes

deco nate wrote: »

Their names were in the printed press before anyone shared them online, one of the papers that printed them was the sun! So that's bollox

The Sun, the guys who hack dead girls phone numbers, hardly a bastion of integrity, but I doubt even they posted names about an ongoing cases. Your probably thinking of another case.

deco nate

wes wrote: »

The Sun, the guys who hack dead girls phone numbers, hardly a bastion of integrity, but I doubt even they posted names about an ongoing cases. Your probably thinking of another case.

Nope, this case. Must try Try harder...

wes

deco nate wrote: »

Nope, this case. Must try Try harder...

As I said hardly bastions of journalistic integrity if what your saying is true. Hardly the best example to use......

Will I Am Not

Anyone that thinks these lads are going to get off Scot free because Tommy Robinson made a video outside the court is deluded.

Robinson is receiving the punishment and rightly so if he broke any conditions.
If the order was to prevent the identities of the girls involved, why the f*ck would you think they would be the ones to suffer the double whammy of their identities being revealed and their rapists being set free?
It’s bizarre and doesn’t make any sense.

Will I Am Not

wes wrote: »

As I said hardly bastions of journalistic integrity if what your saying is true. Hardly the best example to use......

Are the people at The Sun getting locked up?

Captain Obvious

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Anyone that thinks these lads are going to get off Scot free because Tommy Robinson made a video outside the court is deluded.

Robinson is receiving the punishment and rightly so if he broke any conditions.
If the order was to prevent the identities of the girls involved, why the f*ck would you think they would be the ones to suffer the double whammy of their identities being revealed and their rapists being set free?
It’s bizarre and doesn’t make any sense.

Because there are historical cases of juries being discharged due to undue influence, prejudicial reporting and victim harassment.

Will I Am Not

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because there are historical cases of juries being discharged due to undue influence, prejudicial reporting and victim harassment.

They are not going to get off Scot free as some here seem to think.
The reason for the order and the reason for his arrest is changing by the hour in here.

deco nate

wes wrote: »

The Sun, the guys who hack dead girls phone numbers, hardly a bastion of integrity, but I doubt even they posted names about an ongoing cases. Your probably thinking of another case.

Here you go....


https://www-thesun-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/amp/?amp_js_v=a1&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fnews%2F3538445%2Fedl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women%2F



Named in May of last year

Captain Obvious

Will I Am Not wrote: »

They are not going to get off Scot free as some here seem to think.

They will if the case collapses and cannot be brought again.

Will I Am Not

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They will if the case collapses and cannot be brought again.

They won’t be getting off unless there’s a not guilty verdict.

Captain Obvious

Will I Am Not wrote: »

They won’t be getting off unless there’s a not guilty verdict.

What are you talking about? If the trial collapses there is no verdict.

Will I Am Not

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What are you talking about? If the trial collapses there is no verdict.

It won’t collapse.

deco nate

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Are the people at The Sun getting locked up?

Nope, because there was no court order ban on reporting of this case, the ban is on reporting on the tr case in case it brings out the headers to the streets.

Some people are posting a lot bs in here.

deco nate

wes wrote: »

As I said hardly bastions of journalistic integrity if what your saying is true. Hardly the best example to use......

Not the only paper to do it, you do know there was no ban on naming them don't you...

dude_abided

Billy86 wrote: »

Omackeral wrote: »

Sigh. I'm not defending him. I called his behavior scummy. Do you remember that? I called it ignorant. It was about 15 minutes ago. I challenged whether that's racist or not. Didn't defend any of the words or statements. You're literally making stuff up.

Strictly speaking racism might not be the right term because we're not our own race, but it definitely does assert that he thinks England and English people are superior to us plastic paddy's who just sit around picking potatoes and cabbage all day.

Its the same as if he were a white guy in the US saying "thank God I didn't grow up in a black neighbourhood or I'd still be sitting around eating chicken and watermelon all day".

Someone in a previous page mentioned his folks were Irish. If that's the case can you really shed your "heritage"?

Whilst not savory words used, I'm sure that plenty of people would agree they have a better life thanks to their parents moving from their respective countries...

Judging by the repeal thread this country was a provincial superstitious shìthole (:pac: see what I did there? ) with terrible woman's rights and the inability to divorce or even buy a johnny... Hardly unfair therefore to express no matter how crassly that you think life is better..

Call Me Jimmy

Also to reasonable people who have a blanket bad opinion of Tommy Robinson like I did, if you are interested he spoke at Oxford Union and it gives a lot of background about him. I saw him in a new light in part because of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A

Captain Obvious

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It won’t collapse.

What do you base this certainty on when trials have collapsed for less?

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Also to reasonable people who have a blanket bad opinion of Tommy Robinson like I did, if you are interested he spoke at Oxford Union and it gives a lot of background about him. I saw him in a new light in part because of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A

I'll watch it later but I'm not sure how a good speech can change what people actually see him doing.

wexie

Santa Maria wrote: »

shame on you shame on you
shame shame shame on you

Kinda catchy, is there more to it?

What's the music with it like? I'm thinking something reggaeish perhaps

Will I Am Not

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What do you base this certainty on when trials have collapsed for less?

It won’t be collapsing because Robinson was making a video. If it does I’ll forward you 10k through PayPal. It’s not even a bet, I’ll just give you it.

Captain Obvious

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It won’t be collapsing because Robinson was making a video. If it does I’ll forward you 10k through PayPal. It’s not even a bet, I’ll just give you it.

But how can you know it wouldn't have collapsed if he was allowed to continue?

Call Me Jimmy

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What do you base this certainty on when trials have collapsed for less?





I'll watch it later but I'm not sure how a good speech can change what people actually see him doing.

Yea of course, and I have a lot of skepticism. But I remember being continually surprised.