Tommy Robinson jailed

GinAndBitter

Odhinn wrote: »

No thanks, I'd want a good summary of their contents first.


What are your views on Robinson/Yaxley lennon?

I admire his nationalism, as a nationalist myself. I don't believe that he is a racist. He has black friends, Muslim friends. His local football club Luton Town which he is a huge followers have a very multicultural fan base as the town itself is very multicultural. All the right wing football clubs in London loved an away day in Luton as it was a chance to fight the immigrants supporters and Luton hooligan firm (which is also extremely diverse).

I try put myself in his position and question how i would react. I certainly would not want my home town to be populated with the amount of Muslims that are in Luton and I would do my best to stop it. I don't wanna walk down the street and see nothing but Muslims and that's what it's like in parts of Luton. I certainly wouldn't want that here.

I'm not saying I take his word as a journalist as gospel, as much as i wouldn't take Sky News/BBC as gospel.

ohnonotgmail

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I admire his nationalism, as a nationalist myself. I don't believe that he is a racist. He has black friends, Muslim friends. His local football club Luton Town which he is a huge followers have a very multicultural fan base as the town itself is very multicultural. All the right wing football clubs in London loved an away day in Luton as it was a chance to fight the immigrants supporters and Luton hooligan firm (which is also extremely diverse).

I try put myself in his position and question how i would react. I certainly would not want my home town to be populated with the amount of Muslims that are in Luton and I would do my best to stop it. I don't wanna walk down the street and see nothing but Muslims and that's what it's like in parts of Luton. I certainly wouldn't want that here.

I'm not saying I take his word as a journalist as gospel, as much as i wouldn't take Sky News/BBC as gospel.

He isn't a journalist.

mcmoustache

Odhinn wrote: »

No thanks, I'd want a good summary of their contents first.

I decided to watch the first of these videos in the last 5 minutes so that I can give everyone a summary.

The first video starts out fairly OK. It's just Tommy feeding swans in a pond behind a council estate for the first few minutes. He discusses his love of swans and their beautiful, white plumage and shared memories of his father who used to catch the swans and take them home to give them a wash.

After some reminiscing about how the estate used to feel like a community while the camera briefly cuts to a black businessman entering an office in New York, Tommy checks his waders and enters the pond. What happened next was difficult to interpret but after grabbing a swan to an almighty cacophony of honking with feathers flying everywhere, he opens the fly in his waders and proceeds to violently pull the swan into his crotch. What followed was 50 minutes of honking and feathers flying, all while Tommy struggles to keep the distressed swan by his crotch, only ending with a shot of two community police officers approaching and Tommy running back into the flats.

I'm not sure what the point of the film was, to be honest. I'm not a fan of Tommy's and I don't think that the 50 or so minutes of him trying to calm a clearly distressed swan in his crotch won me over. I'm not one to kink-shame but that swan wasn't having fun I felt that this crossed a line and I feel a bit dirty having watched it.


I might check out the other two videos later after I get some counselling and regain my mental fortitude.

Odhinn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I admire his nationalism, as a nationalist myself.

I'm a nationalist, Sinn Fein Voter (at any given opportunity) for over 30 years, and despise him and his ilk.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I don't believe that he is a racist. He has black friends, Muslim friends. His local football club Luton Town which he is a huge followers have a very multicultural fan base as the town itself is very multicultural. All the right wing football clubs in London loved an away day in Luton as it was a chance to fight the immigrants supporters and Luton hooligan firm (which is also extremely diverse).

His language and actions (joining the BNP, founding the EDL etc) would undermine any notion that he is non-racist/islamophobic).

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I try put myself in his position and question how i would react. I certainly would not want my home town to be populated with the amount of Muslims that are in Luton and I would do my best to stop it. I don't wanna walk down the street and see nothing but Muslims and that's what it's like in parts of Luton. I certainly wouldn't want that here.

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I live adjacent to an area in Dublin where there is a large muslim population a few halal shops and a mosque. It bothers me not in the slightest.

ohnonotgmail

mcmoustache wrote: »

I decided to watch the first of these videos in the last 5 minutes so that I can give everyone a summary.

The first video starts out fairly OK. It's just Tommy feeding swans in a pond behind a council estate for the first few minutes. He discusses his love of swans and their beautiful, white plumage and shared memories of his father who used to catch the swans and take them home to give them a wash.

After some reminiscing about how the estate used to feel like a community while the camera briefly cuts to a black businessman entering an office in New York, Tommy checks his waders and enters the pond. What happened next was difficult to interpret but after grabbing a swan to an almighty cacophony of honking with feathers flying everywhere, he opens the fly in his waders and proceeds to violently pull the swan into his crotch. What followed was 50 minutes of honking and feathers flying, all while Tommy struggles to keep the distressed swan by his crotch, only ending with a shot of two community police officers approaching and Tommy running back into the flats.

I'm not sure what the point of the film was, to be honest. I'm not a fan of Tommy's and I don't think that the 50 or so minutes of him trying to calm a clearly distressed swan in his crotch won me over. I'm not one to kink-shame but that swan wasn't having fun I felt that this crossed a line and I feel a bit dirty having watched it.


I might check out the other two videos later after I get some counselling and regain my mental fortitude.

who was doing the honking?

GinAndBitter

Odhinn wrote: »

I'm a nationalist, Sinn Fein Voter (at any given opportunity) for over 30 years, and despise him and his ilk.




His language and actions (joining the BNP, founding the EDL etc) would undermine any notion that he is non-racist/islamophobic).






I live adjacent to an area in Dublin where there is a large muslim population a few halal shops and a mosque. It bothers me not in the slightest.

Sorry i stopped reading after I seen Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence.

Odhinn

mcmoustache wrote: »

I decided to watch the first of these videos in the last 5 minutes so that I can give everyone a summary.

The first video starts out fairly OK. It's just Tommy feeding swans in a pond behind a council estate for the first few minutes. He discusses his love of swans and their beautiful, white plumage and shared memories of his father who used to catch the swans and take them home to give them a wash.

........

*sniff
Yet another leader with a heart of gold, demonised by leftist race traitors...

https://external-preview.redd.it/FArVOjwexB6mJEflhbo7qJvzUoiU9X3Fu45VQVNpRQc.jpg?auto=webp&76f1741a

Billy86

professore wrote: »

Problem is the people in the UK who are supposed to keep law and order have a hands off approach to Islamic extremists. So it's no surprise groups like this form. Also why he very quickly left the BNP as a teenager when he realised they only admitted white English people.

...and then joined forces with a pedophile to form the overtly racist and unashamedly violent EDL, where they wound up having their ranks absolutely stuffed with pedophiles.

Tommy's reaction? To initially defend his pedophile co-founder, and then rather than trying to get to the bottom of the issue of pedophilia among his peers, in the very group he had founded, he decided to have a go at Muslims for having pedophiles in their ranks. If Tommy actually cared whatsoever about victims of pedophilia or bringing child molesters to justice, why is he not exposing those among the EDL pedophiles of whom he would have much more knowledge of, given it is a group he played a central role in creating?

Anyone pretending that Tommy Robinson cares much at all about pedophiles should read up on him or if they already have, should take a long, hard look in the mirror at themselves. Tommy Robinson only cares about shouting about Muslims and immigrants, and those who support him (and his efforts to have pedophiles court cases thrown out by disrupting the trial process) while knowing this information, are no better.

mcmoustache

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who was doing the honking?

I couldn't tell. There were feathers flying everywhere and whoever was filming had zoomed in enough to frame the swan's body and Tommy's crotch and seemed to leave the camera on a tripod and left if alone until the community police arrived. I couldn't see who was saying or honking what. One of them kept repeating to the other that they should relax and just enjoy it but again, because of the framing of the shot, I couldn't tell if that was the swan or Tommy or even an audio track dubbed in afterwards.

Cienciano

ricero wrote: »

I saw today online that bbc panorama tried to do a stitch up job on Tommy for a new investigation documentary but Tommy had his own secret camera men and will reveal the truth outside bbc Manchester later this month. John Sweeney and some of the producers seem very worried in a video clip I saw of Tommy revealing his hidden video clips.

It's disgusting the fake news culture which is now embedded in established media. Love or hate Tommy it's scary to see this.

It's scary to see people take Tommy Robinson's word for it when he hasn't released the video. Your evidence is a producer "seemed worried". Christ.

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sorry i stopped reading after I seen Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence.

Why? Why don't you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

Why? Why don't you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

I see no evidence of it. Why do you think they are?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I see no evidence of it. Why do you think they are?

I didn't state that they are, I asked you the question. Why did you stop reading after you saw "Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence"?

GinAndBitter

Cienciano wrote: »

It's scary to see people take Tommy Robinson's word for it when he hasn't released the video. Your evidence is a producer "seemed worried". Christ.

What's ever scarier is the millions that will take BBC'S panorama as fact.

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

I didn't state that they are, I asked you the question. Why did you stop reading after you saw "Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence"?

Because I have seen no evidence of Sinn Fein nationalism certainly not in this century anyway. Do you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

kowloon

How would you define Nationalist?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Because I have seen no evidence of Sinn Fein nationalism certainly not in this century anyway. Do you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

They're a party that from every part of their core, are working towards a united Ireland, that's textbook Irish nationalism.

What's your definition of nationalism?

Cienciano

GinAndBitter wrote: »

What's ever scarier is the millions that will take BBC'S panorama as fact.

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

GinAndBitter

Cienciano wrote: »

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

I trust him about as much as I trust the BBC.

Billy86

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Cienciano wrote: »

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

I trust him about as much as I trust the BBC.

So you don't trust him? Or you do trust the BBC? Your eagerness to not answer nor explain anything is getting kind of confusing to be honest.

Andrew00

Here’s to you tommy robsinon
Ireland loves u more than u will know
Woaaaah

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

I think this explains it well.

Do you have any opinions or thoughts of your own? All you're offering here are YouTube videos and links to overwrought Wikipedia articles.

What does nationalism mean to you?

FTA69

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

Grayson

FTA69 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

Classy guy Tommy/Stephen.

Definitely not racist at all. :rolleyes:

mcmoustache

His followers will still pretend that he's not racist and that everyone talks like that. They'll even present proof in the form of pictures taken with a brown person. I'm not sure if people like this are trolling or are truly that thick when they claim that convicted fraudster Tommy isn't a racist.

Timberrrrrrrr

FTA69 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

I wonder if this poster still thinks Yaxley-Lennon isn't a racist?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I admire his nationalism, as a nationalist myself. I don't believe that he is a racist. He has black friends, Muslim friends. His local football club Luton Town which he is a huge followers have a very multicultural fan base as the town itself is very multicultural. All the right wing football clubs in London loved an away day in Luton as it was a chance to fight the immigrants supporters and Luton hooligan firm (which is also extremely diverse).

I try put myself in his position and question how i would react. I certainly would not want my home town to be populated with the amount of Muslims that are in Luton and I would do my best to stop it. I don't wanna walk down the street and see nothing but Muslims and that's what it's like in parts of Luton. I certainly wouldn't want that here.

I'm not saying I take his word as a journalist as gospel, as much as i wouldn't take Sky News/BBC as gospel.

Auguste Comte

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I wonder if this poster still thinks Yaxley-Lennon isn't a racist?

Ah would you give the lad a break, he didn't mean it, it was the drugs talking. 😳

ancapailldorcha

mcmoustache wrote: »

His followers will still pretend that he's not racist and that everyone talks like that. They'll even present proof in the form of pictures taken with a brown person. I'm not sure if people like this are trolling or are truly that thick when they claim that convicted fraudster Tommy isn't a racist.

I don't think it bothers them. They're just trying to circumvent accusations of racism as it gives people a legitimate excuse to ignore the fake news and conspiracies people like Yaxley-Lennon spread.

GinAndBitter

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

Ultimate Seduction

Racist or not doesn't make the message he's trying to spread un-true. Not a fan of tommy at all but I see what hes saying hes on about grooming gangs for years no one would listen.

Auguste Comte

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

It's a dam fine indication.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

If it was a one-off, maybe. But there's a pattern developing.

For someone trying to pass himself off as a genuinely concerned level-headed and non-racist citizen, he has this unbelievable talent for openly coming out with racist remarks on a consistent basis. To film himself proudly blasting racial slurs and then post it on the internet is bringing said talent to staggering new heights.

He's the kind of guy who could shoot himself in the foot from three hundred meters away.

El_Duderino 09

Being racist isn’t a point against TR in his fan’s eyes. It’s part of his appeal. They might start off saying he’s not racist but that’s only to appease people who think racism is a bad thing.

Debating whether TR is racist should be a fairly short discussion. The interesting question to ask his followers is what difference it would make if he is racist. Would they change their opinion of him or stop following him. I suspect not but open to correction from any of his supporters.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Being racist isn’t a point against TR in his fan’s eyes. It’s part of his appeal. They might start off saying he’s not racist but that’s only to appease people who think racism is a bad thing.

Debating whether TR is racist should be a fairly short discussion. The interesting question to ask his followers is what difference it would make if he is racist. Would they change their opinion of him or stop following him. I suspect not but open to correction from any of his supporters.

I don't think I would be classed as a 'fan' but I honestly do not think Tommy Robinson is a racist.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think I would be classed as a 'fan' but I honestly do not think Tommy Robinson is a racist.

Ok. And what would change if you found out he probably is racist?

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. And what would change if you found out he probably is racist?

I would obviously have a negative opinion of him.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I would obviously have a negative opinion of him.

So you dont think he is a racist, he just happens to say racist things.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So you dont think he is a racist, he just happens to say racist things.

In assuming you are referring to the recent Sun article.

I have said racist things, homophobic things and incredibly crude gallows humour to people in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself racist because I made jokes or said to things to my friends.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

In assuming you are referring to the recent Sun article.

I have said racist things, homophobic things and incredibly crude gallows humour to people in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself racist because I made jokes or said to things to my friends.

So you dont consider yourself racist but you do say racist things. Makes sense.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So you dont consider yourself racist but you do say racist things. Makes sense.

Yes. Yes it does.

I admit I have said tasteless things and will probably continue to do so in suitable company.

I've made Jimmy saville jokes too but I don't consider myself a paedophile apologist.

Mind blowing isn't it?

mcmoustache

These days, you have to literally be gassing jews before people stop their "but i don't think that makes him racist" nonsense.

Mutant z

Funny whenever you see him interviewing those who hate him they can never give a logical reason why they hate him just what they have heard from others.why not actually listen to what he says instead of being told what to think by the media because he really isn't the bogeyman they make him out to be.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So you dont consider yourself racist but you do say racist things. Makes sense.

Yes. Yes it does.

I admit I have said tasteless things and will probably continue to do so in suitable company.

I've made Jimmy saville jokes too but I don't consider myself a paedophile apologist.

Mind blowing isn't it?

What if you made harmless race jokes. And then you went on a harmless journey to whip up anti immigrant sentiment. And then you went on a harmless journey to highlight terrible crimes by non-white people while showing zero interest in crimes committed by white people.

I think it would take conscious effort to ignore his behaviour if you want to see no evidence of racism.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

I think it would take conscious effort to ignore his behaviour if you want to see no evidence of racism.

Highlighting crime that was not being acted upon due to the police being afraid of being branded racist is not racism.

Being anti immigration is not racist.

Disagreeing with an ideology and highlighting the worrying parts of that ideology is not racism.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In assuming you are referring to the recent Sun article.

I have said racist things, homophobic things and incredibly crude gallows humour to people in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself racist because I made jokes or said to things to my friends.

It's not just the sun article. Check my post history ton fund two or three more. And that's just the ones I found in a quick ten-minute search

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote:

It's not just the sun article. Check my post history ton fund two or three more. And that's just the ones I found in a quick ten-minute search

I'll do that at lunch. Thanks

ohnonotgmail

Yeah tommy real is a great lad http://materiaislamica.com/index.php?title=Tommy_Robinson&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile

Citations are provided for all claims against tommy.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

Highlighting crime that was not being acted upon due to the police being afraid of being branded racist is not racism.

Being anti immigration is not racist.

Disagreeing with an ideology and highlighting the worrying parts of that ideology is not racism.

On their own they might not be racist. When he ignores similar acts by white people and gets all hit and bothered about crimes committed by non white people, then I think it takes conscious effort to not see it as being racially/religiously motivated.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yeah tommy real is a great lad http://materiaislamica.com/index.php?title=Tommy_Robinson&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile

Citations are provided for all claims against tommy.

Wow.

That's some site. Some of the citations are tenuous at best.

Perhaps read some interviews with the man himself or even some videos that were posted up a few pages ago for some balance.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On their own they might not be racist. When he ignores similar acts by white people and gets all hit and bothered about crimes committed by non white people, then I think it takes conscious effort to not see it as being racially/religiously motivated.

I don't think reported cases of paedophelia carried out by white british people are not acted upon for fear of racism.