Tommy Robinson jailed

GinAndBitter

Grayson wrote: »

I believe their point was that people here on the right weren't complaining.

Well I can only speak for myself here and say I really don't pay attention to what's happening in America or anything to do with Trump, and people's obsession with both In my opinion is a little sad however I certainly wouldn't condone any white supremacy marches.

Outlaw Pete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxWlbUnwz0

GinAndBitter

Auntie Semite wrote: »

One of the leaders of this Mosque Hussain Halawa (father of Ibrahim) was reported by Norwegian media in 2011as advocating for the death penalty for homosexuals and this did not seem to bother Irish Liberals or the Irish media.

I wonder why stuff like this gets ignored are they afraid of upsetting Muslims incase they decide to blow up or squash some innocent children ? Is that where we are at now that we can't criticise these people for fear of a backlash?

Grayson

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I wonder why stuff like this gets ignored are they afraid of upsetting Muslims incase they decide to blow up or squash some innocent children ? Is that where we are at now that we can't criticise these people for fear of a backlash?

And how come people who get annoyed about muslims who do that never complain about christians who have homophobic views.

We live on the same island as the DUP and you don't hear the far right bitching about them.

Something you may notice is that people who are on the left will generally be against anyone who is homophobic. That includes christians, muslims, hindu's. It includes russians, ugandans, the DUP, the american right etc.

However unless you are exclusively against muslims there are people on the right who think you're a hypocrite.

aloneforever99

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I wonder why stuff like this gets ignored are they afraid of upsetting Muslims incase they decide to blow up or squash some innocent children ? Is that where we are at now that we can't criticise these people for fear of a backlash?

I'll tell you why it gets ignored, because it didn't bleeding happen. He called homosexuality "sinful". He did not call for the death penalty for homosexuals, he said they would be judged in the afterlife. So his position is almost identical to Catholocism's then: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ibrahim-halawas-dad-blasts-homosexuality-11309046

GinAndBitter

Grayson wrote: »

And how come people who get annoyed about muslims who do that never complain about christians who have homophobic views.

We live on the same island as the DUP and you don't hear the far right bitching about them.

Something you may notice is that people who are on the left will generally be against anyone who is homophobic. That includes christians, muslims, hindu's. It includes russians, ugandans, the DUP, the american right etc.

However unless you are exclusively against muslims there are people on the right who think you're a hypocrite.

You didn't answer my question, I'm not exclusively against Muslims or anything like that. I'm certainly against homophobia and id speak out against anyone who was homophobic. I suppose I am what you would call right wing e but I supported repealing the 8th and gay marriage, You use the term far right, what posters here would you describe as being far right?

aloneforever99

aloneforever99 wrote: »

I'll tell you why it gets ignored, because it didn't bleeding happen. He called homosexuality "sinful". He did not call for the death penalty for homosexuals, he said they would be judged in the afterlife. So his position is almost identical to Catholocism's then: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ibrahim-halawas-dad-blasts-homosexuality-11309046

not quite.

"The Secretary General of the Fatwa Council, Sheikh Hussein Halawa, agreed to meet Rasmussen on Tuesday and told her she was suffering from an illness and that it may take several years before the Fatwa Council will conclude on the death penalty"

aloneforever99

Deleted User wrote: »

not quite.

"The Secretary General of the Fatwa Council, Sheikh Hussein Halawa, agreed to meet Rasmussen on Tuesday and told her she was suffering from an illness and that it may take several years before the Fatwa Council will conclude on the death penalty"

Where is that quote from?

aloneforever99

aloneforever99 wrote: »

Where is that quote from?

The original Norwegian article.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10096212

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

The original Norwegian article.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10096212

That doesn't say it. Admittedly it's hard to read through google translate but the gist seems to be that they sent him a question about it but he said he never received it. And he said it takes time to get an official response.

It's incredibly hard to read that.

Are you complaining that the Irish media didn't report on an article written in norwegian that doesn't include a muslim saying gays should killed?

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxWlbUnwz0

Begging for money to take on Soros and Facebook, oh and he wants to build an App.

What a fooking snake oil salesman.

Love the comments.

2 highlights.

if you make a comment on here, youtube will limit your internet bandwidth

:pac:

They’ve shot themselves in the foot trying to silence you, now they’re going to bleed to death

:eek:

Billy86

Snake Plisken wrote: »

You should check up the facts about Pakistani grooming gangs and stop trying to divert I can find mention of only one EDL member convicted vs the hundreds of Muslim men convicted of child grooming you should read up on the Quilliam report into it
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjt5IiR89zgAhWFuHEKHfhzCNsQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fquilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html&psig=AOvVaw2Bp11R_oDlFKTDfb_a0OAd&ust=1551390774104355

Here are a whole lot more convicted for you:

Billy86 wrote: »

OK, here you go... a quick list of some pedophiles in the English Defense League that Tommy Robinson founded:

1. Richard Price, co-founder
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far-right-hero-is-a-convicted-paedophile-z6pb87rr2q5


2. Leigh McMillan
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-english-defence-league-leigh-mcmillan-jailed-paedophile-old-bailey-a8231231.html


3. John Broomfield
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/9094012.former-swanage-soldier-jailed-for-child-abuse-images/


4 & 5. Robert Ewing & Gareth Dewhurst
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-46182310


6. Peter Gillett
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/tommy-robinson-ignores-former-edl-members-child-sex-abuse


7. James Andrew Swindlehurst
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-34879036


8. Kristopher Allan, SDL
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nazi-thug-who-chanted-allah-7915998


9 & 10. Michael Kinnear & Caroline Shaw
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-34556161


11. Brett Moses
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/pervert-made-canada-trip-to-meet-girl-13-1-2575182


12. Alan Boulter
https://lincolnshirereporter.co.uk/2017/02/jailed-paedophile-hunters-snare-grimsby-man-live-facebook/


13. Matthew Woodward
https://theukdatabase.com/2012/10/01/matthew-woodward-connahs-quay/


14. Paul Whiteside
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/edl-leader-paul-whiteside-who-496637


15. Mark Sleman
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paedophile-hunt-english-defence-league-supporter-mark-sleman-1430500


16. Kane Hutchison
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ex-football-coach-kane-hutchison-14289816


And that's before getting into the likes of Trevor Vinson, Alan Ellis, Dale Hewitt, Luke Atkinson, Bradley Alford, Michael McQueenie, and on and on it goes.

The EDL are riddled with pedophiles, from the rank and file all the way up to the very top, and have been since the day they were co-founded by one.

So why is it that Tommy Robinson and his supporters, both here and in general, don't seem to care one bit about the very clear pedophilia problem amongst their own peers?

The Tommy supporters in this thread have been pretty eager to ignore this, so perhaps you could lend some insight into why you don't care about these people abusing children, or about Tommy doing nothing to investigate it despite the fact he would have a lot more knowledge of the group, it's members, and how it works than almost anyone?

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

That doesn't say it. Admittedly it's hard to read through google translate but the gist seems to be that they sent him a question about it but he said he never received it. And he said it takes time to get an official response.

It's incredibly hard to read that.

Are you complaining that the Irish media didn't report on an article written in norwegian that doesn't include a muslim saying gays should killed?

Not at all. I was just saying that's what the article said. I wasn't aware of any of it to be honest. Just had a cursory google and used translate.

donkeykong5

Boggles wrote: »

OMM 0000 wrote: »

This is going to be my last post here,

Fantastic, you have dragged this so off topic at this stage I have literally no idea what you are banging on about, I suspect you don't either.

Have a good one.

---

Quick question.

Has anyone here given Stephen money?

Sent him a card when he was falsely imprisoned.

batgoat

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I wonder why stuff like this gets ignored are they afraid of upsetting Muslims incase they decide to blow up or squash some innocent children ? Is that where we are at now that we can't criticise these people for fear of a backlash?

You realise that your views closely align with Breivik's who gunned down a load of teenagers because of their political views? You consistently demonstrate that you're incredibly hateful.

GinAndBitter

batgoat wrote: »

You realise that your views closely align with Breivik's who gunned down a load of teenagers because of their political views? You consistently demonstrate that you're incredibly hateful.

No I didn't realise that, can you explain how my views closely align with those of Anders Breivik?

There's a lot of hate in the thread and most of it is aimed at Tommy Robinson and right wing people.

batgoat

GinAndBitter wrote: »

No I didn't realise that, can you explain how my views closely align with those of Anders Breivik?

Anders Breivik's manifesto spent its time being outraged about Muslims, viewed multi culturalism to be the downfall of the west. Spent its time on outraged tangents about leftists and praised the likes of Geert Wilders who I'm guessing you also admire cause his views aren't dissimilar to Robinson's. Also a big fan of Marine LaPen? Those you are supporting are very much so extremists.

backspin.

batgoat wrote: »

Anders Breivik's manifesto spent its time being outraged about Muslims, viewed multi culturalism to be the downfall of the west. Spent its time on outraged tangents about leftists and praised the likes of Geert Wilders who I'm guessing you also admire cause his views aren't dissimilar to Robinson's. Also a big fan of Marine LaPen? Those you are supporting are very much so extremists.

That's pretty much how Victor Orban sees things and he is the legitimate leader of a modern European country.

batgoat

batgoat wrote:

You realise that your views closely align with Breivik's who gunned down a load of teenagers because of their political views? You consistently demonstrate that you're incredibly hateful.

Jesus. What a warped comparison

batgoat

backspin. wrote: »

That's pretty much how Victor Orban sees things and he is the legitimate leader of a modern European country.

Orban is viewed as incredibly dodgy and has gone on the offensive against all ngos. Pushed conspiracies about George Soros and literally destroyed freedom of association. They're also in contravention of both European and international laws. So not that dissimilar to somebody claiming Hitler was only legitimate leader. The statement doesn't even make particular particular sense. Are you prevented from voting? Ireland for example ranks higher on all freedom and democracy indexes than Hungary.

GinAndBitter

batgoat wrote: »

Anders Breivik's manifesto spent its time being outraged about Muslims, viewed multi culturalism to be the downfall of the west. Spent its time on outraged tangents about leftists and praised the likes of Geert Wilders who I'm guessing you also admire cause his views aren't dissimilar to Robinson's. Also a big fan of Marine LaPen? Those you are supporting are very much so extremists.

The West is made up of many different cultures that's what's good about it, look at Europe for example it must be one of the most culturally diverse areas on the planet. It's a beautiful place because of that. I'm not against multi culturism at all.
All people from different cultures should be able to live together and respect each others cultures. Ive nothing against the average Muslim on the street I think their religion is no good and it seems to be Inspiring an increasing number of lunatics across Europe to kill people in the name of it. That's a big problem.

It's a problem I would prefer Ireland avoids, I would not like to see Muslims make up a sizeable chunk of our population because I believe we would inherit problems seen elsewhere in Europe.

We are leaving religion behind in this country, the last think we should be looking for is more Religious fanatics.

These are just my views, most of you wont agree and thats fine but there is no hate here.

Boggles

backspin. wrote: »

That's pretty much how Victor Orban sees things and he is the legitimate leader of a modern European country.

Hungary isn't a modern European country, it's far from it. It's not even a proper democracy. It's a "Illiberal democracy".

Unfortunately roughly 10% of the population have left, so it looks set to maintain it's autocratic governance for a while longer.

They are about to get a slap though, which make shake some sense into them.

GinAndBitter

Boggles wrote: »

They are about to get a slap though, which make shake some sense into them.

What's happening to them?

backspin.

Boggles wrote: »

They are about to get a slap though, which make shake some sense into them.

What sense, that they take 2 million migrants and shoehorn them into small villages like Germany.

rgossip30

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't say that at all. It was fascinating to see the journalist collude with someone and not do any rudimentary checks on the legitimacy of a text message.

The fact that they offered to cut an audio clip to take it out of context to suit their agenda is damning.

The use of slurs by the very people who were willing to destroy a man for using similar slurs in what was intended as a private conversation was eye opening.

Granted, it wasn't a home run but it was certainly enough to raise doubt in the legitimacy of BBC reporting and their methods of gathering facts.

I suppose if you don't find any of the above interesting, I don't know what you were expecting.

It may not have been earth-shattering but it certainly wasn't nothing.

The ex employee was offered 5 grand to expose him by Panorama. https://www.tr.news/coming-soon/ his new website.

Boggles

GinAndBitter wrote: »

What's happening to them?

The EU are moving to penalize them financially.

Hungary are a net recipient of EU funding.

backspin. wrote: »

What sense, that they take 2 million migrants and shoehorn them into small villages like Germany.

Yeah that's just nonsense though isn't it?

That said Hungary could badly do with some inward migration.

Boggles

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The West is made up of many different cultures that's what's good about it, look at Europe for example it must be one of the most culturally diverse areas on the planet. It's a beautiful place because of that. I'm not against multi culturism at all.
All people from different cultures should be able to live together and respect each others cultures. Ive nothing against the average Muslim on the street I think their religion is no good and it seems to be Inspiring an increasing number of lunatics across Europe to kill people in the name of it. That's a big problem.

It's a problem I would prefer Ireland avoids, I would not like to see Muslims make up a sizeable chunk of our population because I believe we would inherit problems seen elsewhere in Europe.

We are leaving religion behind in this country, the last think we should be looking for is more Religious fanatics.

These are just my views, most of you wont agree and thats fine but there is no hate here.

So multiculturalism is "beautiful" but you would exclude one "culture" based on Religion.

Now where have I heard that before?

rgossip30

Boggles wrote: »

The EU are moving to penalize them financially.

Hungary are a net recipient of EU funding.



Yeah that's just nonsense though isn't it?

That said Hungary could badly do with some inward migration.

They can choose who they watnt to come EU and those on work permits if they need inward migration

Boggles

rgossip30 wrote: »

They can choose who they watnt to come EU and those on work permits.

Sorry, what?

RWCNT

Boggles wrote: »

The EU are moving to penalize them financially.

Hungary are a net recipient of EU funding.

Gas how Orban never has a good thing to say about the EU, despite taking so much money off them.

He's like an angsty teenager that gives his parents **** all the time.

Boggles

RWCNT wrote: »

Gas how Orban never has a good thing to say about the EU, despite taking so much money off them.

More than 80% of public investment in Hungary comes from the EU’s cohesion funds, which are intended to help poorer regions and countries catch up.

Of course a fair bit of that is siphoned off for friends and family.

The EU get a lot wrong, but they need to get this right.

They were setup specifically to stop the likes of Viktor getting a foothold, they have put up with him now for the best part of a decade, time to real him in and get rid.

It's no surprise Stephen is a big fan. :rolleyes:

Auntie Semite

Boggles wrote: »

Of course a fair bit of that is siphoned off for friends and family.

The EU get a lot wrong, but they need to get this right.

They were setup specifically to stop the likes of Viktor getting a foothold, they have put up with him now for the best part of a decade, time to real him in and get rid.

It's no surprise Stephen is a big fan. :rolleyes:

Have you proof he has siphoned off funds for his friends and family?
Not saying its not true I just haven't heard this.

Also what do you mean by reel him in and get rid? Do you mean vote him out?
bring him to account for illegal activity?
Or that the EU simply remove him?

GinAndBitter

Boggles wrote: »

So multiculturalism is "beautiful" but you would exclude one "culture" based on Religion.

Now where have I heard that before?

There is nothing beautiful about Islam. I could live without it.

GinAndBitter

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Have you proof he has siphoned off funds for his friends and family?
Not saying its not true I just haven't heard this.

Also what do you mean by reel him in and get rid? Do you mean vote him out?
bring him to account for illegal activity?
Or that the EU simply remove him?

He's a thorn in the side of the EU so he must go.

Auntie Semite

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He's a thorn in the side of the EU so he must go.

If he is the democratically elected leader of a nation he can't be simply removed. Its up to the Hungarian people to do that.
If the EU can simply remove leaders it doesn't like at will then it is as bad (in fact far worse) than it claims Orban to be.

They can impose sanctions or financial penalties or even threaten to kick them out of the EU if a country is breaking rules it signed up to. But again it is up to the people of Hungary to vote out or bring charges against Orban.

GinAndBitter

Auntie Semite wrote: »

If he is the democratically elected leader of a nation he can't be simply removed. Its up to the Hungarian people to do that.
If the EU can simply remove leaders it doesn't like at will then it is as bad (in fact far worse) than it claims Orban to be.

They can impose sanctions or financial penalties if a country is breaking rules it signed up to. But again it is up to the people of Hungary to vote out or bring charges against Orban.

The EU won't be removing anyone.

Boggles

Jesus real subtle username.

WTF? :rolleyes:

Boggles

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He's a thorn in the side of the EU so he must go.

The proposed sanctions are because of concerns of democracy and rule of law in Hungary.

But if he dislikes it so much, there is always Article 50.

The monumental stupidity of someone like Stephen bleating on about Freedom of Speech whilst championing the likes of Orban probably can't be measured by today's science.

GinAndBitter

Boggles wrote: »

The proposed sanctions are because of concerns of democracy and rule of law in Hungary.

But if he dislikes it so much, there is always Article 50.

The monumental stupidity of someone like Stephen bleating on about Freedom of Speech whilst championing the likes of Orban probably can't be measured by today's science.

How far along are they with these proposed sanctions? I can't find anything recent in the media

Boggles

GinAndBitter wrote: »

How far along are they with these proposed sanctions? I can't find anything recent in the media

They triggered article 7 in September.

They passed a daft for financial punishment in January just gone.

EU Budget is up for renegotiation too in 2021.

It would also appear he is too far right for the right and his party is about to get booted from the EPP.

He'll end up a loon on the periphery before his party implodes from the inside out, then he will be gone.

batgoat

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Have you proof he has siphoned off funds for his friends and family?
Not saying its not true I just haven't heard this.

Also what do you mean by reel him in and get rid? Do you mean vote him out?
bring him to account for illegal activity?
Or that the EU simply remove him?

Hungary is in trouble with European commission, so faces a good chance of sanctions over human rights abuses.

Moghead

I read that Tommy/Stephen is half Irish. Is he in favour of a United Ireland?

Sand

Moghead wrote: »

I read that Tommy/Stephen is half Irish. Is he in favour of a United Ireland?

I've always understood that Tommy Robinson says his parents (plural) were Irish immigrants to the UK, though his mother later re-married an Englishman. That would imply he is 100% Irish by blood. Identity is a complicated topic. Particularly so for an English nationalist who is only English to the extent that they were born in England. To be fair to Tommy Robinson, he has always been a civic nationalist. It is equally a complicated topic for his multicultural critics to attack him on, though they might smirk.

SharpshooterTom

Sand wrote: »

I've always understood that Tommy Robinson says his parents (plural) were Irish immigrants to the UK, though his mother later re-married an Englishman. That would imply he is 100% Irish by blood. Identity is a complicated topic. Particularly so for an English nationalist who is only English to the extent that they were born in England. To be fair to Tommy Robinson, he has always been a civic nationalist. It is equally a complicated topic for his multicultural critics to attack him on, though they might smirk.

I think his father is Scottish? His mother is definitely Irish.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/revealed-the-irish-face-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-7232

Lennon, who goes by the name Tommy Robinson, was born to a Dublin mother and Scottish father in Luton, where he formed the extremist group in 2009.

Plenty of other search results on google say he has a Scottish father too.

Ted Johnson

Auntie Semite wrote: »

If he is the democratically elected leader of a nation he can't be simply removed. Its up to the Hungarian people to do that.
If the EU can simply remove leaders it doesn't like at will then it is as bad (in fact far worse) than it claims Orban to be.

They can impose sanctions or financial penalties or even threaten to kick them out of the EU if a country is breaking rules it signed up to. But again it is up to the people of Hungary to vote out or bring charges against Orban.

The Germans trying to bully eastern European countries into submissions sums up everything that's wrong with the EU.

Moghead

Sand wrote: »

I've always understood that Tommy Robinson says his parents (plural) were Irish immigrants to the UK, though his mother later re-married an Englishman. That would imply he is 100% Irish by blood. Identity is a complicated topic. Particularly so for an English nationalist who is only English to the extent that they were born in England. To be fair to Tommy Robinson, he has always been a civic nationalist. It is equally a complicated topic for his multicultural critics to attack him on, though they might smirk.

Is he in favour of a United Ireland though?

Moghead

Ted Johnson wrote: »

The Germans trying to bully eastern European countries into submissions sums up everything that's wrong with the EU.

Yeah it's all the German's, no other members of the EU have any input at all.

Sand

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I think his father is Scottish? His mother is definitely Irish.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/revealed-the-irish-face-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-7232

Lennon, who goes by the name Tommy Robinson, was born to a Dublin mother and Scottish father in Luton, where he formed the extremist group in 2009.

Plenty of other search results on google say he has a Scottish father too.

A Scottish Celtic fan maybe? Either way, it is a safe bet that none of his ancestors were present at the Battle of Hastings.

SharpshooterTom

Sand wrote: »

A Scottish Celtic fan maybe?

He could be a Scotsman of Irish descent, I don't know, very little has been said about his father since he's never been in contact with him since he was 10.

Yaxley isn't the most Irish sounding of names either.

frag420

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

He could be a Scotsman of Irish descent, I don't know, very little has been said about his father since he's never been in contact with him since he was 10.

Yaxley isn't the most Irish sounding of names either.

Doesn’t sound very Anglo Saxon either? One could be forgiven for thinking his ancestors were...waIt for it... wait for it...immigrants!!

Magin that eh!?