Western Rail Corridor / Rail Trail Discussion

ShaneC1600

westtip wrote: »

Shane, Athenry - Ennis got built in the chuck money around days of FF in the noughties, those days are long past us, looking at the past helps us all see into the future. Even if the new government is promising to spend money left right and centre, vanity projects will not get a look in and whilst some in the west think the railway or greenway is important, the money has to come out of a national pot, and I just cannot see the huge cost of the railway getting a look in nationally, I might be wrong, frankly at this stage I see more of nothing happening. Housing housing and housing will take priority when it comes to big Capex expenditure. I just can't see the dream you have of WRC being fulfilled happening but again I might be wrong. I don't think people voted about the greenway and perhaps the campaign overplayed its role in how people will vote, but hey ho, it is likely there will be another election before long if this lot cannot agree to form a government. we can start the argument again then.

I guess that is where we differ most, I see the benefit of the section between Ennis and Athenry on a daily basis, granted the numbers will never be Dublin commuter numbers but it’s a good service for what it is and what it cost. Also I think 100 million is nothing in the thick of things and a functioning transport system will pay itself if planned properly.
I don’t believe anybody in their right minds would vote for a candidate based on the Greenway or Railway only.
It is looking like as you were with 1 IND, 1 FF and 1 FG but the government will be a whole lot of other stripes whatever that will bring!!

ShaneC1600

Muckyboots wrote: »

CC is just 500 ahead of Pete Roche so he will need to widen that gap before Kililea's elimination.

PR is the same as CC really in terms of the greenway, both active greenway supporters.

Louis on all accounts will loose out on transfers

Muckyboots

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

PR is the same as CC really in terms of the greenway, both active greenway supporters.

Louis on all accounts will loose out on transfers

In the greatest of ironies, SF's Louis O'Hara could secure Ciaran Cannon his seat if some of his transfers go geographically- both Athenry based. Ya can't bate the auld PR system.

westtip

Muckyboots wrote: »

In the greatest of ironies, SF's Louis O'Hara could secure Ciaran Cannon his seat if some of his transfers go geographically- both Athenry based. Ya can't bate the auld PR system.

Ironic indeed, it never ceases to amaze me how geography works in this sytem!

westtip

Canney topped the poll with 7815, it is actually down on the last election from 8447. the quota is 10,000, you just never know if he doesn't pick up transfers who knows, mind you I have always had a passion for St Jude.

Greaney

If we learn anything from the top two people who've polled, and want to relate it to the Western Rail Corridor, they both support rail....

Tuam has fielded a significant amount of candidates, Canney, Killilea, Roche, Ward. The march happened in Tuam..... maybe the greenway issue is a contentious issue in Tuam? So what Athenry or Claremorris want is of no consequense??

Well, this is a general election for the whole country, not the town council so unelected officials may interpret things in many ways...

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

So what Athenry or Claremorris want is of no consequense??
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Whatever about Athenry, Claremorris want is of no consequence and little concern to me - that's for sure.

Greaney

Muckyboots wrote: »

Whatever about Athenry, Claremorris want is of no consequence and little concern to me - that's for sure.

This smacks of 'village pump politics'. If we want decent infrastructure in the country we've got to start thinking of more than our own parish, pocket & people and start addressing policy. If we are mindful of children, disabled, elderly, disadvantaged etc. then we're looking after ourselves in the event of hardship, or growing old.

I've heard it said that rural Ireland is for farmers & old people. If we turn our potential infrastructre into something that serves tourists first, and not the actual people who are trying to live and work here, then we really have no-one but ourselves to blame when young people leave.

donvito99

Greaney wrote: »

This smacks of 'village pump politics'. If we want decent infrastructure in the country we've got to start thinking of more than our own parish, pocket & people and start addressing policy. If we are mindful of children, disabled, elderly, disadvantaged etc. then we're looking after ourselves in the event of hardship, or growing old.

I've heard it said that rural Ireland is for farmers & old people. If we turn our potential infrastructre into something that serves tourists first, and not the actual people who are trying to live and work here, then we really have no-one but ourselves to blame when young people leave.

If your standard is for public transport to serve "more than our own parish, pocket & people" then a railway re-established at enormous cost which will only inflexibly serve select journeys in select communities lying on an old railway cannot be tolerated surely?

westtip

Muckyboots wrote: »

In the greatest of ironies, SF's Louis O'Hara could secure Ciaran Cannon his seat if some of his transfers go geographically- both Athenry based. Ya can't bate the auld PR system.

even greater irony it was Canneys final surplus that re-elected the two greenway supporting previous TDs, so its as you were in Galway East, perhaps the only constituency in the country not to see any change and probably won't see any change now on the greenway/rail debacle.

Mind you Canney has not got his mate in Transport anymore, maybe Canney will be given Transport!!!! OMG sorry I am just having a nightmare!!!!!

Greaney

Fianne Fáil started phase 1 of the Western Rail Corridor. Varadkar took finishing it off the table, even though there were a FG politician or two who wanted it. So if it's a FF SF coalition, the funding might be there for phase 2.

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

So if it's a FF SF coalition, the funding might be there for phase 2.

You say "there" like it's in a briefcase under someone's desk. Hope you are right and if so- let's be having it.

Greaney

Muckyboots wrote: »

You say "there" like it's in a briefcase under someone's desk. Hope you are right and if so- let's be having it.

Indeed, I've long felt the greenway campaign is also frustration at Phase 2 of the WRC taking so long. That's a fair cop.

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

Indeed, I've long felt the greenway campaign is also frustration at Phase 2 of the WRC taking so long. That's a fair cop.

100%. A case where the dream of rail had long since passed away for most of us. If the new SF breed believe, and can actually deliver, well that's good by me.

westtip

Muckyboots wrote: »

100%. A case where the dream of rail had long since passed away for most of us. If the new SF breed believe, and can actually deliver, well that's good by me.

Absolutely sure don't ya know they are just going to ask Europe for the money its been sitting there in Brussels waiting for them to fill in the form and make an application; Leo refused to send off the form. If they can deliver on the WRC indeed fair play to them get on with it. Electric double tracked high speed connection sure what have we all been fighting for all these years all we needed was an SF landslide, a promise of a cut in the property tax, a promise of a house for everyone in the audience who hasn't got one, of pensions as early as possible, etc etc and railways all over da wesht. Sure it was so simple to make the promises, all we ever needed to close this argument off was sound economic sense from SF. Problem solved, see you on platform 22 Tuam international rail interchange on Monday then so....

Isambard

westtip wrote: »

Absolutely sure don't ya know they are just going to ask Europe for the money its been sitting there in Brussels waiting for them to fill in the form and make an application; Leo refused to send off the form. If they can deliver on the WRC indeed fair play to them get on with it. Electric double tracked high speed connection sure what have we all been fighting for all these years all we needed was an SF landslide, a promise of a cut in the property tax, a promise of a house for everyone in the audience who hasn't got one, of pensions as early as possible, etc etc and railways all over da wesht. Sure it was so simple to make the promises, all we ever needed to close this argument off was sound economic sense from SF. Problem solved, see you on platform 22 Tuam international rail interchange on Monday then so....

everyone knows it's Claremorris the Clapham Junction of the Wesht

westtip

Well on reflection I think this might happen, Sinn Fein have been committed to the WRC for decades - all part of the All Ireland plan for transport, they will build the WRC to Tuam and probably to Claremorris as a flagship project to say look what we are doing for rural ireland, the money will be diverted from one of the major road projects. Of course the project will do very little for rural Ireland but it will be nice to have, in particular as i approach the years in which I get free travel pass, who knows they may even put a greenway in alongside and deliver both, but I doubt it, in a way that would be the honourable thing to do to satisfy both parties in this debate. God knows what kind of service that may be provided on this single track line to Claremorris but it will keep the commander in chief in Claremorris happy. Tuam traffic will be choked up by railway crossings,

North of Claremorris they will put a halt on the greenway as far as Charlestown, they may cecede the greenway on the route from Charlestown to Sligo as it could hook up with a committment they have made for a greenway to Enniskillen.

I think the new government really spells the end of the idea of creating a tourism bonanza from Sligo to Athenry, but you will get the railway, fair play to you all, the long game was played, the rail report was merely the low trump card that was never actually played, it was held back to delay things until the last government eventually whithered on the vine. Our arguments against the western rail corridor will fall on death ears, and the WRC will be held up as a flagship project for the west of Ireland, the car owning democracy in the west will sit back and say is this really what we wanted?

Greaney

westtip wrote: »

tourism bonanza from Sligo to Athenry

Not every greenway built is a 'bonanza' I suspect. The Mullingar to Athlone has some interesting issues. Mind you, there is a greenway planned from Sligo to Galway AKA the Atlantic coast route.

Likewise, not every railway is going to be jammed with people within a month.

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

Not every greenway built is a 'bonanza' I suspect. The Mullingar to Athlone has some interesting issues. Mind you, there is a greenway planned from Sligo to Galway AKA the Atlantic coast route.

Likewise, not every railway is going to be jammed with people within a month.

"dog faeces, horse manure, dogs loose on the greenway, hunt groups and others using horses on the walking and cycling route".... These are only problems because people are actually using the greenway. A friend of mine told me that he was against the Quiet Man Greenway. I asked " why, are you hoping for a train?". "Not at all" he said, "that's nonsense. I walk that line everyday with my dog and I don't want to have to pick up its **** when all ye start walking and cycling on it" Next phase of the project problems.

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

Mind you, there is a greenway planned from Sligo to Galway AKA the Atlantic coast route.
Likewise, not every railway is going to be jammed with people within a month.

Not a greenway.

Isambard

Ironic user name

westtip

Greaney wrote: »

Not every greenway built is a 'bonanza' I suspect. The Mullingar to Athlone has some interesting issues. Mind you, there is a greenway planned from Sligo to Galway AKA the Atlantic coast route.

Likewise, not every railway is going to be jammed with people within a month.

https://irishcycle.com/2014/05/15/80-jobs-estimate-linked-with-athlone-and-mullingar-greenway/

another link for you how many jobs created by Ennis Athenry?

ShaneC1600

westtip wrote: »

https://irishcycle.com/2014/05/15/80-jobs-estimate-linked-with-athlone-and-mullingar-greenway/

another link for you how many jobs created by Ennis Athenry?

That’s May 2014 though, is there anything on actual jobs created? I run that greenway regularly at lunch, it can be quite busy at times especially from the beginning out and I’m sure it’s better during the summer months.

easypazz

A lot of rain has fallen. Closure of ennis athenry often follows.

Muckyboots

easypazz wrote: »

A lot of rain has fallen. Closure of ennis athenry often follows.

Was that swamp not drained after the last election?

easypazz

Muckyboots wrote: »

Was that swamp not drained after the last election?

Sinn fein are on it as we speak. They are going to blow up the rock and create a channel for the water to escape.

Greaney

The Schadenfreude is strong on this thread.

For many, who don't drive, or don't have a second car, the train line is their only mode of transport to get to work. As for those who want a greenway as a job creation opportunity, you could be pitting it against those who already have jobs, but have to commute. It seems the concensus is that most of us would be happy with both, but that would be Irish Rails decision. ... the experience of many who'e to negotiate with Irish Rail is they're not an easy entity to pin down.

Isambard

what train line? It's been closed for decades and no one relies on it to get to work.

There is already a bus service serving the area which you've ignored, catering quite well for those people, but a small number of people want a train line as well.

ShaneC1600

Greaney wrote: »

The Schadenfreude is strong on this thread.

For many, who don't drive, or don't have a second car, the train line is their only mode of transport to get to work. As for those who want a greenway as a job creation opportunity, you could be pitting it against those who already have jobs, but have to commute. It seems the concensus is that most of us would be happy with both, but that would be Irish Rails decision. ... the experience of many who'e to negotiate with Irish Rail is they're not an easy entity to pin down.

Problem is it’s not the best line to attempt to have a greenway and a railway. The overbridges are 8.5 m wide (Athenry to Tuam) which would work but the under bridges are built for single line traffic and therefore would require works, no problem really but the cost of the greenway is starting to increase. Then you have the cuttings and embankments, also constructed for single line traffic, this will be expensive but again not impossible but you would have to ask the question is it the best use of “greenway money” and why are some people so pressed for a greenway along that route? It appears that some would turn down a greenway if offered to them if it wasn’t along that particular route!
If both were built and it was a success it could be a platform for more greenways along railways though!

Muckyboots

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

why are some people so pressed for a greenway along that route?

because they live there. Some even run retail/hospitality businesses in the area.

It appears that some would turn down a greenway if offered to them if it wasn’t along that particular route! where's the evidence that that is the case with a credible counter proposal?

If both were built and it was a success it could be a platform for more greenways along railways though![/QUOTE] Correct.

ShaneC1600

Muckyboots wrote: »

because they live there. Some even run retail/hospitality businesses in the area.

It appears that some would turn down a greenway if offered to them if it wasn’t along that particular route! where's the evidence that that is the case with a credible counter proposal?

If both were built and it was a success it could be a platform for more greenways along railways though!

Correct.[/QUOTE]

1: So do I, doesn’t mean it’s the best place for a greenway.

2: The Dublin to Galway greenway could pass through or could have passed through Athenry but CC wasn’t going to lobby for that one, also the planned Eurovelo is planned to travel from Galway to Sligo but that’s not good enough, it appears (I did say appears) it’s the WRC route is all that group are interested in and they are not all from Tuam or along the route!

3: I’m not against the greenway in any way, I just don’t think that route is the best use of money for a greenway. If it’s built I would use it though!

Muckyboots

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

Correct.

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

1: So do I, doesn’t mean it’s the best place for a greenway.

It's a disused asset that could be put to good use for the community. Shovel ready, no CPO's etc etc

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

2: The Dublin to Galway greenway could pass through or could have passed through Athenry but CC wasn’t going to lobby for that one, also the planned Eurovelo is planned to travel from Galway to Sligo but that’s not good enough, it appears (I did say appears) it’s the WRC route is all that group are interested in and they are not all from Tuam or along the route!

All 20 of the steering group are from Tuam, Athenry and Milltown. Not everyone in that group likes to argue in public.

ShaneC1600 wrote: »

3: I’m not against the greenway in any way, I just don’t think that route is the best use of money for a greenway. If it’s built I would use it though!

Same with me - if they put a train to Athenry. It would be lovely and that's about the best I could say. But I'd use it for a day out- if they build it.

serfboard

westtip wrote: »

Well on reflection I think this might happen, Sinn Fein have been committed to the WRC for decades - all part of the All Ireland plan for transport, they will build the WRC to Tuam and probably to Claremorris as a flagship project to say look what we are doing for rural ireland, the money will be diverted from one of the major road projects. Of course the project will do very little for rural Ireland but it will be nice to have, in particular as i approach the years in which I get free travel pass, who knows they may even put a greenway in alongside and deliver both, but I doubt it, in a way that would be the honourable thing to do to satisfy both parties in this debate. God knows what kind of service that may be provided on this single track line to Claremorris but it will keep the commander in chief in Claremorris happy. Tuam traffic will be choked up by railway crossings

I think the election result will make no actual difference at all to this. There is no infinite pot of money, and one of the things SF will learn is how easy it is in opposition to promise everything to everyone, and how hard it is to deliver in practice, when choices have to be made.

And choices will have to be made - and one of them will be to do nothing on the WRC but let it rot for however long SF are in power until the next crowd comes in and does nothing about it either. And when I say nothing, I mean neither railway nor Greenway.

Muckyboots

serfboard wrote: »

I think the election result will make no actual difference at all to this. There is no infinite pot of money, and one of the things SF will learn is how easy it is in opposition to promise everything to everyone, and how hard it is to deliver in practice, when choices have to be made.

And choices will have to be made - and one of them will be to do nothing on the WRC but let it rot for however long SF are in power until the next crowd comes in and does nothing about it either. And when I say nothing, I mean neither railway nor Greenway.

Sorry to say, but you might be right.

Greaney

Muckyboots wrote: »

because they live there. Some even run retail/hospitality businesses in the area.

It appears that some would turn down a greenway if offered to them if it wasn’t along that particular route! where's the evidence that that is the case with a credible counter proposal?

If both were built and it was a success it could be a platform for more greenways along railways though!

Correct.[/QUOTE]

I know a hospitality/tourism business on that route and they said they'd have prefered rail... not that it matters now, they had to close, insurance costs are closing everything.

A tweet posting this morning on this thread, dunno if it's posted on the business page yet...
Another small business closing down this weekend as no insurance quote available. The bike hire business at Coillte's Ballyhoura mountain bike trail centre. A thriving local business in a rural area generating rural income. Legislate now to control settlement payments.

Muckyboots

Greaney wrote: »

Correct.

I know a hospitality/tourism business on that route and they said they'd have prefered rail... not that it matters now, they had to close, insurance costs are closing everything.

A tweet posting this morning on this thread, dunno if it's posted on the business page yet...
[/QUOTE]

You are kind of proving my point there with the Ballyhoura success. The greenway campaign started in Tuam, and laterally Athenry because people have given up hope on the prospect of a return of rail services. Spin from WOT simply doesn't wash outside of Mayo and rail reports that take five years to start, get flashed like ace cards when needed and then disappear just weeks before an election doesn't instil any confidence in the rail purveyors. People just don't believe it will happen and some believe if it does it may be just dodgy cargos, not suitable for road haulage, shipped by freight trains through the towns late at night. If it returns to commuter trains, even if there is no greenway alongside, that's fine. It'll be lovely and much better than nothing. The insurance problem is a completely different issue though.

westtip

Greaney wrote: »

Mind you, there is a greenway planned from Sligo to Galway AKA the Atlantic coast route.

Likewise, not every railway is going to be jammed with people within a month.

As MB said teh eurovelo route 1 is not a greenway as it will mainly be on existing roads shared with vehicles, and would not be children and wheelchair friendly usable, it's a line on a map and will likely remain so; If it were to be an entirely new route the level of CPO required makes it an impossibility of ever happening, look at the experience of Dublin - Galway greenway proposed CPOs to understand why Eurovelo 1 is a piped dream someone has simply drawn a line and said sure wouldn't that make a lovely cycle route. Its the age old argument that the whole point of the Athenry Collooney route is (1) a railway is not going to be built anytime soon (2) the land is still in public ownership as a linear route therefore the biggest issue CPO does not exist (3) if (1) becomes an actual liklihood the land the land would be be held in public ownership under strict licensed to use as a greenway case. (4) By the way West on Track agree to this licensed model as they fully support the use of the closed railway for use as a velorail in Mayo in the full knowledge the old tracks are meaningless as they would not be fit for purpose as a railway. so Velorail/greenway it makes no difference in terms of future use under the licensed model if route is required for rail it is required for rail end of. But sure you know all this.

serfboard

westtip wrote: »

West on Track ... fully support the use of the closed railway for use as a velorail in Mayo

So the argument goes like this:

WOT: "Only trains on this route"
WRT: "What about a Greenway, until the trains come back?"
WOT: "Didn't you hear what I said? Only trains on this route".
Velorail Crowd: "What about a velorail, until the trains come back?"
WOT: "Oh yeah, that'd be grand. So long as it's not them feckin' walkers and cyclists".

Sligo eye

serfboard wrote: »

So the argument goes like this:

WOT: "Only trains on this route"
WRT: "What about a Greenway, until the trains come back?"
WOT: "Didn't you hear what I said? Only trains on this route".
Velorail Crowd: "What about a velorail, until the trains come back?"
WOT: "Oh yeah, that'd be grand. So long as it's not them feckin' walkers and cyclists".

No it’s more like:

WOT: We want planned development in the West of Ireland with improved infrastructure

WRT: have you seen our Facebook page taking the piss out of WOT?

WRT: I know where the WOT people live, let’s tell everyone

WRT: all people who promote the railway are insane cross dressers

WRT: lets all spam the western county councils with emails

WRT: lets all tell the councillors in the west how to vote

WRT: lets tell everyone in the west how to vote

WRT: lets call the west the “Whest”

WOT: We want planned development in the West of Ireland with improved infrastructure

Isambard

well if it's planned infrastructure you want, why not put your efforts firstly into improving the existing rail lines which are pretty dire in fairness. Failing to do this makes people believe that really you just want to watch the trains go by like they used to

Reusing a twisty and windy rail alignment designed for steam engines is not good infrastructure, its settling for the bare minimum instead of aspiring for something better

westtip

Sligo eye wrote: »

No it’s more like:



WOT: We want planned development in the West of Ireland with improved infrastructure

Yep that is one area we all agree with WOT on, which is why the greenway is a good idea, if you really want a railway along the west coast build one in a staight line, and don't accept the compromise of twisty turny C19th alignment, yes lets get double tracking on all lines to the west from the east coast. By all means campaign for a railway but make it something worth having, get a new route for a new railway, this is how the rail lobby really let themselves down with lack of ambition, even the "new" Western Rail Corridor did not serve the main regional internation airport Shannon, it does not take a direct route from Limerick to Galway which is why it is not an intercity route, it is not double tracked or electric, I mean a new railway now should be more than a patch up job. Take a leaf out of the road lobbyists book, do you think the haulage industry would have accepted basically widening the old roads as a solution to the road infrastructure, no. Why not be campaigning that the new Letterkenny to Cork DC when it eventually happens should have a railway along the new alignment as well. Look at yourselves campaigning for poor quality infrastructure, get a grip on yourselves and reinvent the rail campaign. New route, new high speed services, that's what the rail lobby should be looking for. As for the rest of your post, your opinion is noted and at least made me laugh on a Saturday morning, clearly someone is upset diddums.

end of the road

Isambard wrote: »

well if it's planned infrastructure you want, why not put your efforts firstly into improving the existing rail lines which are pretty dire in fairness. Failing to do this makes people believe that really you just want to watch the trains go by like they used to

it is possible to do both and look for both.
i know it's hard to believe, but irish people are well capable of supporting multiple things at the same time.

donvito99

end of the road wrote: »

it is possible to do both and look for both.
i know it's hard to believe, but irish people are well capable of supporting multiple things at the same time.

Railways are not built with "support" but rather money which is always in limited supply.

Isambard

end of the road wrote: »

it is possible to do both and look for both.
i know it's hard to believe, but irish people are well capable of supporting multiple things at the same time.

Yes but no one is looking for both.

IE has several lines being run into the ground and no one cares as they are open. The rest of the lines are not much better in terms of timings and speed.

end of the road

Isambard wrote: »

Yes but no one is looking for both.

IE has several lines being run into the ground and no one cares as they are open. The rest of the lines are not much better in terms of timings and speed.

lots of people care but are stifled at every opportunity when it comes to doing anything about it.
the 2 organisations with any power and who could do something about it, the NTA and CIE/IE won't get behind the lines and their users and support them, they don't really care it seems.
any organisations who could potentially do the opposite have no actual powers, so can do nothing but simply raise issues, only to be either ignored or best case told something will be done, for it to not be in all likely hood.

ShaneC1600

westtip wrote: »

Yep that is one area we all agree with WOT on, which is why the greenway is a good idea, if you really want a railway along the west coast build one in a staight line, and don't accept the compromise of twisty turny C19th alignment, yes lets get double tracking on all lines to the west from the east coast. By all means campaign for a railway but make it something worth having, get a new route for a new railway, this is how the rail lobby really let themselves down with lack of ambition, even the "new" Western Rail Corridor did not serve the main regional internation airport Shannon, it does not take a direct route from Limerick to Galway which is why it is not an intercity route, it is not double tracked or electric, I mean a new railway now should be more than a patch up job. Take a leaf out of the road lobbyists book, do you think the haulage industry would have accepted basically widening the old roads as a solution to the road infrastructure, no. Why not be campaigning that the new Letterkenny to Cork DC when it eventually happens should have a railway along the new alignment as well. Look at yourselves campaigning for poor quality infrastructure, get a grip on yourselves and reinvent the rail campaign. New route, new high speed services, that's what the rail lobby should be looking for. As for the rest of your post, your opinion is noted and at least made me laugh on a Saturday morning, clearly someone is upset diddums.

Athenry to Tuam is perfect for a railway so, 5 curves easily possible to design a 90mph section with double track into Galway. We can start there and maybe plan future infrastructure around existing infrastructure.
In a nut shell you now want people to lobby for a railway on a green field stretch where CPOs would be required so a greenway can be constructed where it's only merit is that it does not require any CPOs? Lack of ambition is a group lobbying for a greenway on the back of greenways in beautifully scenic areas to construct one in an area just because it is CPO free.
Now it's you that's being a comedian!!

Greaney

I'm on twitter, back and forth, with some dude who swears that to open phase 2 of the Western Rail Corridor to rail (he's anti rail) one would need to CPO buildings that have been built on the track to ever use it for rail!!

Well someone has the wrong end of the stick....

CPO's are being used as an excuse to not open it to rail
CPO's, the lack there of, are the reason given that it should be a greenway.

Go figure

Sligo eye

Greaney wrote: »

I'm on twitter, back and forth, with some dude who swears that to open phase 2 of the Western Rail Corridor to rail (he's anti rail) one would need to CPO buildings that have been built on the track to ever use it for rail!!

Well someone has the wrong end of the stick....

CPO's are being used as an excuse to not open it to rail
CPO's, the lack there of, are the reason given that it should be a greenway.

Go figure

Well it wouldn’t be the first time anyone who is anti rail has said total nonsense

westtip

Sligo eye wrote: »

Well it wouldn’t be the first time anyone who is anti rail has said total nonsense

Ah sure Sligo, don't be getting all maudlin, we all talk nonsense at time sure isn't that why most of us are here, to let off steam and talk nonsense, don't take it all too serious now, don't ya know nobody is taking any notice of us, which is why nothing is getting done. Happy days eh? looks like we are going to get the old firm back in government who will also continue to procrastinate. Five years from now when this thread is full of posts and closed and WRT/WRC thread v 17.6 is up and running we will all be saying the exact same thing. Fun though.