Prostitution: when is it going to be legalised and regulated?

nozzferrahhtoo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

artvanderlay wrote: »

If you have to pay for it, you should be seeking the services of a good therapist, and try to figure out why you view women as a commodity.

Or perhaps people who pay for sex are not doing so under YOUR narrative and hence do not need to seek help for issues they only have in YOUR mind.

artvanderlay wrote: »

I've never heard a young girl say mummy when I grow up I want to be a hooker.

Nor have I heard a single child say they want to grow up to be a cleaner but many of them do that too. If we are going to gauge the quality of a career path by what children DONT say about them, you will be indicting quite a few career paths indeed.

artvanderlay wrote: »

Any man who pays for sex with a woman is not a real man.

A the old "Real Man" (TM) that no one appears to know what it actually means, consists of or how it is defined. Threads attempting to detail what a "Real Man" actually is tend to descend into nonsense and madness. I suspect your own personal definitions of what qualifies will be no more enlightening.

artvanderlay wrote: »

It should probably be legalised and regulated to protect the women, but reducing demand should be the main objective then.

I see no reason why reducing demand on that service would benefit us if the women in such an industry were regulated and protected.

artvanderlay wrote: »

Yeah, but I think there's a difference between doing a mundane job for pay, and getting f*cked in an orifice by some sleazebag. But again, I think it comes down to respect for women, and you either got it or you don't!

And yet the only one showing any disrespect is you, not the clients, by simply automatically pegging anyone who avails of the service as a "sleazebag". You are projecting your own judgements onto people, and then acting like these women need protecting from what you have merely imagined.

artvanderlay wrote: »

Same ****e as the poster above. Good luck with the women in your life with those attitudes lads.

Yeah, I am sure the attitude that adult women are.... well.... adults.... autonomous.... and can be trusted to make their own career choices without a white knight to ride in and protect them from themselves..... is gonna be really harmful.

artvanderlay wrote: »

I would reduce demand by, as a society, trying to increase respect for women

Great, then maybe start by respecting them enough to make their own career decisions and not acting like they somehow need to be protected from themselves, or judged, by you.

artvanderlay wrote: »

But I don't get this male entitlement to sex.

Well since you just invented it, if you do not get it then I doubt anyone else can help you. The rest of us I suspect do not see someone buying sex as thinking they are any more OR less "entitled to sex" than me buying a cinema ticket makes me feel I am "entitled to watch a movie".

You are inventing the "entitlement" here out of nothing, and then acting like it is the problem of others.

One wonders if you have the same contempt for people who do massage as a career path. After all both masseurs and sex workers are basically using parts of their body to manipulate, often in a pleasurable way, parts of the clients body. So what makes one bad and the other not? Other than your own hang ups? Why is one person doing it a commodity, and the other not?

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

artvanderlay wrote: »

If you have to pay for it, you should be seeking the services of a good therapist, and try to figure out why you view women as a commodity. Maybe work on yourself, and you'll get a woman to have sex with you for free! Seriously, has it ever been easier to get no strings attached sex?


I think I would cry with shame afterwards if I had sex with a prostitute, I would feel so bad. What led this woman to this place in life? I've never heard a young girl say mummy when I grow up I want to be a hooker.



Any man who pays for sex with a woman is not a real man. Think if that was your own daughter or loved one.


It should probably be legalised and regulated to protect the women, but reducing demand should be the main objective then.

Well what if you're deformed, how will you get sex? Supposing your face was burned off, you'll never get some unless you pay for it.

And this talk about 'respect'. If I pay for it I'm disrespectful but if I pick up some wasted bar slut that's fine?

I don't get this respect thing. Why I should I respect you just because you're a woman? Respect is normally earned.

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Well what if you're deformed, how will you get sex? Supposing your face was burned off, you'll never get some unless you pay for it.

And this talk about 'respect'. If I pay for it I'm disrespectful but if I pick up some wasted bar slut that's fine?

I don't get this respect thing. Why I should I respect you just because you're a woman? Respect is normally earned.

I certainly hope you are not trying to say that deformed, ugly people wouldn't get sex or have a loving relationship. Why would a person who has got burns to there face not be loved. Are you actually so shallow to say that person can't have a loving relationship. Where is your RESPECT for these people.

Respect is earned your right at the moment with me your -50 out of a 100

Sheeps

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

martingriff wrote: »

I certainly hope you are not trying to say that deformed, ugly people wouldn't get sex or have a loving relationship. Why would a person who has got burns to there face not be loved. Are you actually so shallow to say that person can't have a loving relationship. Where is your RESPECT for these people.

Respect is earned your right at the moment with me your -50 out of a 100

Respect doesn't give men a boner.

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

martingriff wrote: »

I certainly hope you are not trying to say that deformed, ugly people wouldn't get sex or have a loving relationship. Why would a person who has got burns to there face not be loved. Are you actually so shallow to say that person can't have a loving relationship. Where is your RESPECT for these people.

Respect is earned your right at the moment with me your -50 out of a 100

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a disability yourself.

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a disability yourself.

What is that supposed to mean

What difference does that make if I am disabled or not and yes I have had girlfriend's. I know plenty of people with disabilities deformities and all is loving relationships some with kids.

anewme

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

Well what if you're deformed, how will you get sex? Supposing your face was burned off, you'll never get some unless you pay for it.

And this talk about 'respect'. If I pay for it I'm disrespectful but if I pick up some wasted bar slut that's fine?

I don't get this respect thing. Why I should I respect you just because you're a woman? Respect is normally earned.

Horrible hateful post.

Belittling disabled people or people with burns.

Calling women “wasted bar sluts”

Respect starts with self respect and it’s clearly not evident in any of your posts.

I hope it keeps fine for you.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sheeps wrote: »

Respect doesn't give men a boner.

Mod note: And disrespect doesn't get the ladies all hot and bothered either.


A little respect could go a long way in keeping this thread open for discussion as well.


Buford T. Justice

Pugzilla

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Me: 'I can't get more erect'

Buford T. Justice : 'Hold my beer'

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

anewme wrote: »

Horrible hateful post.

Belittling disabled people or people with burns.

Calling women “wasted bar sluts”

Respect starts with self respect and it’s clearly not evident in any of your posts.

I hope it keeps fine for you.

I'm very sorry to let you down yet again Maude Flanders but it's the truth. And yes some women are drunk sluts. You don't automatically get respect because just you're a woman no more than you do as a man.

Berserker

No chance that it'll ever be legalized and regulated here. The laws were changed recently which criminalized the act even further. Moreover, do people who work in the sector want it legalized and regulated? I know of two speakers on the matter, Ruhana (sp) and the ex-prostitute who seems to get a run out on the LLS every year or so and they are always pushing for more convictions for those who use these services.

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Berserker wrote: »

No chance that it'll ever be legalized and regulated here. The laws were changed recently which criminalized the act even further. Moreover, do people who work in the sector want it legalized and regulated? I know of two speakers on the matter, Ruhana (sp) and the ex-prostitute who seems to get a run out on the LLS every year or so and they are always pushing for more convictions for those who use these services.

Unless you're paying a street walker you don't need to worry about getting arrested.

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Berserker wrote: »

No chance that it'll ever be legalized and regulated here. The laws were changed recently which criminalized the act even further. Moreover, do people who work in the sector want it legalized and regulated? I know of two speakers on the matter, Ruhana (sp) and the ex-prostitute who seems to get a run out on the LLS every year or so and they are always pushing for more convictions for those who use these services.

I am sorry but is not the truth as I said in my message to you with your condensending post of I guess you have a disability. To belittle people with deformities, disabilities, burns and your opinion of women is nothing short of shocking. I wonder would you be so open with your opinions in the open.

sbsquarepants

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Did you quote the wrong post there perhaps?:pac:

Shurimgreat

I know we are all supposed to be liberal lefties now but do we want prostitution legalized?

Would the women of Ireland be ok if many of their menfolk stopped off in the local brothel on their way home from work, without any fear of it being illegal or being caught?

TheValeyard

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I know we are all supposed to be liberal lefties now but do we want prostitution legalized?

Would the women of Ireland be ok if many of their menfolk stopped off in the local brothel on their way home from work, without any fear of it being illegal or being caught?

No different to a one night stand from a girl you met in a night club

sbsquarepants

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Do you not think that if the only thing stopping your hubby from banging a hooker on the way home from work is the fear of getting caught, maybe your relationship isn't all that in the first place?

TheValeyard

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Do you not think that if the only thing stopping your hubby from banging a hooker on the way home from work is the fear of getting caught, maybe your relationship isn't all that in the first place?

Twist ending


The wife is working there.

Ush1

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Do you not think that if the only thing stopping your hubby from banging a hooker on the way home from work is the fear of getting caught, maybe your relationship isn't all that in the first place?

#trustmen :pac:

TheValeyard

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Ush1 wrote: »

#trustmen :pac:

#thrustmen

Shurimgreat

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No different to a one night stand from a girl you met in a night club

It is if you don't wear protection and the customer/customers before them did the same.

The average girl in a nightclub is hardly going to have slept with hundreds if not thousands of men. Few might have, the majority no.

Joe Dog

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

100% prostitution should be legalised.

If a woman wants to sell her own body she's fully entitled to.

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Did you quote the wrong post there perhaps?:pac:

Ops changed now deleted and right 1 quoted thanks

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I'm very sorry to let you down yet again Maude Flanders but it's the truth. And yes some women are drunk sluts. You don't automatically get respect because just you're a woman no more than you do as a man.

I am sorry but is not the truth as I said in my message to you with your condensending post of I guess you have a disability. To belittle people with deformities, disabilities, burns and your opinion of women is nothing short of shocking. I wonder would you be so open with your opinions in the open.

TheValeyard

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Shurimgreat wrote: »

It is if you don't wear protection and the customer/customers before them did the same.

The average girl in a nightclub is hardly going to have slept with hundreds if not thousands of men. Few might have, the majority no.

I doubt any hookers would not use contraception. Health is wealth. Any many girls and guys have slept with plenty of others over a period of time.

nozzferrahhtoo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I know we are all supposed to be liberal lefties now but do we want prostitution legalized?

Would the women of Ireland be ok if many of their menfolk stopped off in the local brothel on their way home from work, without any fear of it being illegal or being caught?

A very strange criteria for legislating on an issue. People private marital issues should not be the mediation point of whether we have something like sex work being illegal or legal.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

It is if you don't wear protection and the customer/customers before them did the same.

The average girl in a nightclub is hardly going to have slept with hundreds if not thousands of men. Few might have, the majority no.

Given how strictly sex workers employ protection, if I was given the choice to have unprotected sex with a sex worker or with a random person I know nothing about from a night club........ I would select the former and feel like I was making the safer bet.

That said though, one of the reasons people want to see a legal and regulated industry is to give us the tools to attempt to reduce the quantity of STIs in that industry. Such as periodical mandatory STI checks for sex workers.

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Twist ending


The wife is working there.

M Night Shamaylan style hooring.

A Pint of Goo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

martingriff wrote: »

I am sorry but is not the truth as I said in my message to you with your condensending post of I guess you have a disability. To belittle people with deformities, disabilities, burns and your opinion of women is nothing short of shocking. I wonder would you be so open with your opinions in the open.

I guess you meant to quote me. If you genuienly think people with massive deformities won't struggle to get sex then you are either delusional or using this belief as a coping strategy.

How about this, Google images of women who have been culturally enriched with acid attacks and decide if you would sleep with them. The brutal honest answer is no.

sbsquarepants

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Twist ending


The wife is working there.

Does she give the hubby a discount?

Come to think of it do hoors do nixers?:D

Cupcake_Crisis

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

Au contraire! I’d have very little problem if a friend came to me and said she’s getting into prostitution. Like you said- it’s her choice. My only fears would be for her safety. Which could be negated by introducing some regulations around the industry.

martingriff

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

I guess you meant to quote me. If you genuienly think people with massive deformities won't struggle to get sex then you are either delusional or using this belief as a coping strategy.

How about this, Google images of women who have been culturally enriched with acid attacks and decide if you would sleep with them. The brutal honest answer is no.

Hold it your moving the goalposts from all to some carefully there. You have no idea who I or anyone would want to date. Many people struggle to get sex its not just people with deformities and if they feel they need to go to a prostitute so be it. I voted yes to regulation and legalizing it in the poll. By the way any chance of answering the question at the end of my message I will leave it here again. I wonder would you be so open with your opinions in the open?

BalcombeSt4

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

It should be legalized & lightly regulated, just so nothing happens to the girl. And there should be a guy or girl video taping it in the corner of the room who's jacking off look at em. If a job like that existed in Ireland people would be cuing up to get a job where you can jack off on a girls or guys faces, it would solve the unemployment problem in Ireland.

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

Shouldn't be legalized. It's exploitation and disgusting.

nozzferrahhtoo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

To you.

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

To you.

Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

VinLieger

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

So a woman or man choosing to have sex with with someone else and get paid for it is the same as child abuse to you?

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

VinLieger wrote: »

So a woman or man choosing to have sex with with someone else and get paid for it is the same as child abuse to you?

Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

nozzferrahhtoo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

Sure but "to me" is useless as an argument. What you personally find wrong or disgusting does not an argument make.

The difference between legalized sex work, and child abuse, is I know and can make the arguments indicting child abuse as morally wrong.

I have yet to hear one why sex work is wrong, or why it should be considered disgusting. Your personal distaste and bias is irrelevant.

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

As opposed to them being any other kind of commodity? Why is it suddenly an issue if sex is involved but not anywhere else?

Cupcake_Crisis

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

Ok, but a woman choosing to have sex for money is not child abuse.

I assume you’ve never watched porn either?

VinLieger

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

They arent being turned into a sexual commodity, they are making a choice to provide a service to someone else, but thats a really perverted way of looking at it to be honest.


The only real reason you have a problem with it is that involves sex which likely stems from your own repressed religious beliefs that you are looking to impose on others.

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Ok, but a woman choosing to have sex for money is not child abuse.

I assume you e never watched porn either?

No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Sure but "to me" is useless as an argument. What you personally find wrong or disgusting does not an argument make.

The difference between legalized sex work, and child abuse, is I know and can make the arguments indicting child abuse as morally wrong.

I have yet to hear one why sex work is wrong, or why it should be considered disgusting. Your personal distaste and bias is irrelevant.



As opposed to them being any other kind of commodity? Why is it suddenly an issue if sex is involved but not anywhere else?

Morally wrong to you. Why should you push your views on others. Isn't that your argument?

Cupcake_Crisis

DickSwiveller wrote: »

No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.

Good for you! Keep on doing that. However, I don’t think people making decisions regarding sex to be degrading so ima keep watching my porn!

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

VinLieger wrote: »

They arent being turned into a sexual commodity, they are making a choice to provide a service to someone else, but thats a really perverted way of looking at it to be honest.


The only real reason you have a problem with it is that involves sex which likely stems from your own repressed religious beliefs that you are looking to impose on others.

What religious beliefs?

Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

DickSwiveller

No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Good for you! Keep on doing that. However, I don’t think people making decisions regarding sex to be degrading so ima keep watching my porn!

You make it sound so innocent.

Ulysses Gaze

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

But a woman's body, her choice. Right?

Who are you or I or anyone to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. That includes earning money with it.

Do you feel the same way about Porn?

nozzferrahhtoo

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.

But it is only degrading TO YOU, it is not actually degrading in and of itself. What IS degrading however is taking the choices of other adults and belittling them based on nothing but your own personal disgust. As if these adults, women most of them, need you to protect them from their own career decisions.

You want to pretend you do not like degrading people, then stop doing it. As only you are doing it here.

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Morally wrong to you. Why should you push your views on others. Isn't that your argument?

Nope not my argument at all. We live in a democracy so pushing our views on others is par for the course.

No the difference I was pointing out has nothing to do with pushing, or not, your views on others. What I was pointing out was your complete lack of arguments to employ WHILE pushing your personal views on others.

I think we could both make the arguments for why child abuse is wrong. Me likely better than you, but we both could still do it. YOu and I likely know all the arguments against it.

The arguments against sex work, porn work and so forth however appear to be ENTIRELY based on your own personal disgust. Nothing more.

And that is no small difference, so I can see why you needed to pretend my arguments were other than they were.

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

What has sex got to do with it? What about masseurs? Like sex workers they are simply using parts of their body to manipulate, usually in a pleasurable way, the body of their customers.

So why is that not a disgusting commodity too? Why is it only magically when sex is involved that you start feeling disgust?

DickSwiveller wrote: »

You make it sound so innocent.

The consensual act of sex between consenting adults IS innocent. It is only your personal disgust that is manufacturing an issue with it.

VinLieger

Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What religious beliefs?

Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

You are the one turning people into commodities, i personally believe anyone providing a service to me, like food, is a person and don't try to look down on other people but to each their own.

Cupcake_Crisis

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What religious beliefs?

Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

I’m a beautician, I provide a service. So does a plumber, a hairdresser, a waiter, a carpenter, and so on and so on. All different types of services. Prostitution is just a service you don’t like, but that doesn’t make it any less of a service.

Cupcake_Crisis

DickSwiveller wrote: »

You make it sound so innocent.

Because it is? I’m not hurting anyone.