NFL Protest Discussion

Foxtrol

myate wrote: »

1. He's only apologised because he's been called out so much over the past few hours.
2. His teammates now know how he feels about the situation.
3. The rest of the leagues defensive players are gonna love sacking him this year!

Some are already making that feeling known

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1268366527083970565?s=20

MrKingsley

Foxtrol wrote: »

And yet your focus was people who disagreed with him.

If I ever fall so short on listening/communicating in front of the world then I hope I have a friend that will tell me to shut up.



Unless he thinks flags are living creatures then they are by definition inanimate.



If he feels the flag means more to him than the majority of his team mates and their families that is his choice, however he shouldn't at the same time do fake PR stunts pretending to support the cause that those men were protesting for.

Right this won’t be going anywhere quick. Not even sure that we are debating the same points. I’ll leave it there

Oat23

Just when you think 2020 has peaked you have Bears fans criticising Brian Urlacher (for his Brees-like tone deaf opinions) and praising Aaron Rodgers.

Foxtrol

MrKingsley wrote: »

Right this won’t be going anywhere quick. Not even sure that we are debating the same points. I’ll leave it there

If you were planning to continue to argue that for some people flags are not inanimate then we should definitely leave it there.

MrKingsley

Foxtrol wrote: »

If you were planning to continue to argue that for some people flags are not inanimate then we should definitely leave it there.

Yes that was exactly where I was going with it. Well spotted

Foxtrol

And here we go again

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268998143733051394?s=20

alchemist33

I'm embarrassed for the flag.

But really, what's more important? Making the right body language to a symbol or people's lives? Because if you think it's the piece of cloth, then what is represents is people getting killed.

But if course the language doesn't matter here. No players are disrespecting their country, but making gullible people think they are makes you look patriotic and gets votes.

Goodell accepts that the NFL got it wrong and should have listened to the players but fails to apologise to Kaepernick...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/sport/roger-goodell-responds-nfl-stronger-together-video/

adrian522

Foxtrol wrote: »

And here we go again

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268998143733051394?s=20

https://twitter.com/drewbrees/status/1269089165972471814?s=19

Itssoeasy

You know what I’ve never understood about the objection to the kneeling is how kneeling is somehow disrespectful to the flag or anthem. I can understand you wanting people to be respectful towards a country’s flag but I’m assuming that the vast majority of players in the NFL were raised in some Christian denomination in which kneeling is seen as the ultimate show of respect. That’s whats so baffling to me about this whole thing being honest.

D9Male

At least Brees has had the sense to climb down from his high horse, so I respect him for that. Kneeling for the anthem was a peaceful protest. Those who claimed it disrespected the flag were trying to take attention away from the real issue, which many didn't want to address or even admit to.

Talking about peaceful Kaep-like protests being disrespectful was always ridiculous, but especially tone deaf in light of events in the past 10 days. Brees deserved a lot of criticism, but thankfully he is not stupid enough to stick with his stance.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Goodell accepts that the NFL got it wrong and should have listened to the players but fails to apologise to Kaepernick...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/sport/roger-goodell-responds-nfl-stronger-together-video/

oh sh1t, better git on this bandwagon quick smart.

MileHighGuy

glasso wrote:

oh sh1t, better git on this bandwagon quick smart.

... damned if you do, damned if you don't.

MileHighGuy

MileHighGuy wrote: »

... damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Yes but given the prior stance just makes it look all the more jarring.

The NFL won't be judged well historically on this.

White administrators with a load of black lads and affirmative actions were effectively subdued.

Podge_irl

MileHighGuy wrote: »

... damned if you do, damned if you don't.

He's damned for his reaction 3 years ago and he can't make up for that now but its good to at least see him acknowledge it was wrong.

Danzy

Would even 1 in a 1000 African Americans in the NFL have backed taking the Knee, it wasn't popular among any demographic.

raze_them_all_

Danzy wrote: »

Would even 1 in a 1000 African Americans in the NFL have backed taking the Knee, it wasn't popular among any demographic.

The whole steelers team refused to come out for the anthem bar their lineman who had served

Foxtrol

Itssoeasy wrote: »

You know what I’ve never understood about the objection to the kneeling is how kneeling is somehow disrespectful to the flag or anthem. I can understand you wanting people to be respectful towards a country’s flag but I’m assuming that the vast majority of players in the NFL were raised in some Christian denomination in which kneeling is seen as the ultimate show of respect. That’s whats so baffling to me about this whole thing being honest.

Certain people always find a reason to be against black people protesting.

When there isn't an obvious excuse they just make one up to be faux offended.

I'm happy Brees came out with his rebuke of Trump but it takes willful ignorance to have been a player in the NFL for the years that the protests were headlines and only now 'realize' that they weren't about the flag. Brees shows the same willful ignorance about his connections to a group that performs/supports gay conversion therapy. He is either very dumb or has very questionable morals.

Foxtrol

Danzy wrote: »

Would even 1 in a 1000 African Americans in the NFL have backed taking the Knee, it wasn't popular among any demographic.

From everything that came out, it was very popular among players but most feared for their jobs if they showed support. The few times teams supported them in taking one the majority did.

Given what happened to Kaep they were right to be scared for their jobs.

ELM327

Foxtrol wrote: »

From everything that came out, it was very popular among players but most feared for their jobs if they showed support. The few times teams supported them in taking one the majority did.

Given what happened to Kaep they were right to be scared for their jobs.

Why, were they also former starters still looking for starter money?

adrian522

ELM327 wrote: »

Why, were they also former starters still looking for starter money?

Can you post a source for this or stop posting please?

ELM327

adrian522 wrote: »

Can you post a source for this or stop posting please?

Gladly


I remember it happening. Here are the first three results from a quick google. It's not like this isnt common knowledge, so there are many more links if needed.
No one is going to pay 9-10mn to him to be a backup. He's not a starter at this point.





https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713471-colin-kaepernick-seahawks-contract-reportedly-didnt-happen-because-of-money
https://www.businessinsider.com/broncos-wont-sign-colin-kaepernick-contract-john-elway-2018-8
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/28/report-kaepernick-wants-a-chance-to-start-and-9-10-million/

adrian522

It's unclear what Kaepernick is seeking on his next contract. The 29-year-old was due $14.5 million in base salary next season with the 49ers before opting out.

Where does it confirm he was looking for starter money? Where did he turn down a backup job?

The Broncos one is complete nonsense, that's referring to a possible trade 2 years previously where they were expecting him to take a $5M pay cut. So not surprising he didn't go for that.

On the 3rd one $9-10 million is hardly starter money or preventing anyone from picking him up. The fact is he wasn't really given a chance by any team in the league and that was due to his protesting of police brutality.

The idea that Kaepernick doesn't have a job being because of salary demands or that he is just not good enough don't stand up to scrutiny at all.

jack presley

Foxtrol wrote: »

Given what happened to Kaep they were right to be scared for their jobs.

Eric Reid still doesn’t have a job.

ELM327

adrian522 wrote: »

Where does it confirm he was looking for starter money? Where did he turn down a backup job?

The Broncos one is complete nonsense, that's referring to a possible trade 2 years previously where they were expecting him to take a $5M pay cut. So not surprising he didn't go for that.

On the 3rd one $9-10 million is hardly starter money or preventing anyone from picking him up. The fact is he wasn't really given a chance by any team in the league and that was due to his protesting of police brutality.

The idea that Kaepernick doesn't have a job being because of salary demands or that he is just not good enough don't stand up to scrutiny at all.

AS a GM would you prefer your backup as Winston/Flacco on $1m a year base, or 9-10mn for kapernick ?

adrian522

The facts are that not a single team has offered Kaepernick a contract on any description since 2016.

And I'd much prefer Kaerpernick than either of those 2 QB's.

Winston threw as many INT's last season as Kaepernick did in his entire career.

ELM327

adrian522 wrote: »

The facts are that not a single team has offered Kaepernick a contract on any description since 2016.

And I'd much prefer Kaerpernick than either of those 2 QB's.

Winston threw as many INT's last season as Kaepernick did in his entire career.

On 10x the salary?
If yes then you are delusional.

adrian522

ELM327 wrote: »

On 10x the salary?
If yes then you are delusional.

Not really 10 times the salary now is it? Given he wasn't offered that by any team.

The $9m was just a rumour of what he was looking for in contract negotiations.

The bottom line is that Colin was blackballed from the league and didn't receive a single offer from any team for any amount.

ELM327

adrian522 wrote: »

Not really 10 times the salary now is it? Given he wasn't offered that by any team.

The $9m was just a rumour of what he was looking for in contract negotiations.

The bottom line is that Colin was blackballed from the league and didn't receive a single offer from any team for any amount.

You have no proof of either of those things.


No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.


Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).

adrian522

ELM327 wrote: »

You have no proof of either of those things.


No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.


Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).

I don't have proof that he was not offered any deals? It's pretty common knowledge actually. You don't have any proof that he was offered anything and have resorted to posting Internet rumors to back up your claims.

Vick wasn't the same afterwards but he was still very good and crucially was offered another chance. Arguably the best years of his career were in Philly. Certainly 2010 was right up there, 3000 yards, 21 TDs, 6 INT's plus another 9 rushing TD's.

In the morality of the NFL dog fighting is OK, but protesting police brutality is not apparently.