NFL Protest Discussion

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Billy86 wrote: »

Labor Day weekend also does not account for a 31% increase in sales

The article I saw said it was over the Labor Day extended weekend.

Billy86 wrote: »

So a missed opportunity there, but a huge win for Nike and Kaepernick at the expense of the NFL

I don't think the NFL is doing too badly.

The article I saw kinda summed this all up really. Two years later the discussion is about Kap, protesting, the flag, the military, Trump, Nike........ and the actually issue not getting the coverage.

Billy86

munstermagic11 wrote: »

The article I saw said it was over the Labor Day extended weekend.

Yes, but it also says that last year by comparison the jump was 17% - so it basically doubled the jump of last year despite there apparently being a boycott going on. Labor Day weekend does mean a bump in sales, but only about half of the 31% bump Nike just saw.

I don't think the NFL is doing too badly.

The article I saw kinda summed this all up really. Two years later the discussion is about Kap, protesting, the flag, the military, Trump, Nike........ and the actually issue not getting the coverage.

You're right that the NFL is doing pretty great all in all - the talk of "falling TV ratings" is gibberish because of the likes of Gamepass and other similar setups, which have NFL breaking record revenue year on year.

I'm also not surprised to see a lack of coverage on the issue as it's something a large amount of anti-protesters simply do not want to acknowledge and are hostile towards having pointed out to them, and then you have the US President breaking the laws of his own country while also making it into a large political issue to distract from his own unfortunate headlines.

This is often the case with protests, that those against them want to deal with everything but the issue itself - hence why those protesting have felt the need to resort to doing so. Sometimes the issue does not get addressed and sometimes it does, but in the case of the latter it often takes a long time for that to happen.

TOss Sweep

Didn't go as well as they though it would those boycotting and Burning Nike stuff

Nike stock hits all-time high, sparking climb in corporate value of roughly $5 billion since Kaepernick deal was announced

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/14/nike-stock-closes-at-a-record-high/

Can't be attributed to the KAp thing definitively but seen as those who hate Kap used the 3% decrease we might as well use their argument back against them

Foxtrol

Kaepernick settled with the NFL and looks like he got paid...

https://twitter.com/mikefreemanNFL/status/1096495453548564480

D9Male

Fair play to Kaep. I like it when good guys win.

Billy86

No collusion, no collusion. :pac:

Good on him though, he thoroughly deserves it and I doubt the prosecution ever needed to do more than just play every snap taken by Brett Hundley in 2017 to confirm that.

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D9Male wrote: »

Fair play to Kaep. I like it when good guys win.

When I saw the news, I actually thought the NFL won. Even at the top figure of $80m, they've made this go away for peanuts for them. In the end, both sides settled, so not sure who won.

raze_them_all_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

When I saw the news, I actually thought the NFL won. Even at the top figure of $80m, they've made this go away for peanuts for them. In the end, both sides settled, so not sure who won.

The nfl gave up trying to win once someone traded for flacco!


He won I imagine and it will be seen that way. They paid someone to stop going to court. They knew they'd lose

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raze_them_all_ wrote: »

They knew they'd lose

Then why did Kaep settle? He could have gotten more maybe, and won in court to strengthen the outcome in his favor?
All we actually know is that they both settled, with no view of the actual details; it could be that Kaep wasn't sure he'd win and so settled.

raze_them_all_

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Then why did Kaep settle? He could have gotten more maybe, and won in court to strengthen the outcome in his favor?
All we actually know is that they both settled, with no view of the actual details; it could be that Kaep wasn't sure he'd win and so settled.

Because civil suits in America can be dragged on for a decade with a massive bill for the suing party.

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raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Because civil suits in America can be dragged on for a decade with a massive bill for the suing party.

There’s a bill for both parties. If Kaep was sure to win, he’d get costs as well.

All we actually know is that both parties settled. I assume Kaep got some good money, and the NFL make it go away. Seems more of a win for the NFL to me, collusion case is no more.

Ivefoundgod

Twitter saying around 60-80m for Kaep. I would call that a win for him, unlikely he would have earned much more in salary in the last few years and the fact the NFL paid him that shows they knew the jig was up.

eagle eye

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

I'm not sure where you are getting that the cause he protested for doesn't matter anymore. You're conflating two separate things there, as his protest during the anthem has nothing to do with settling here.

The lawsuit was essentially demanding lost earnings from the league and from all reports he's gotten that and more. What would have been the better result from taking it to trial? If anything there could be more in this settlement to benefit his cause than anything a judge could give.

I do wonder where all those posters are that were so adamant that he had absolutely no case and that he'd be laughed out of court.

raze_them_all_

eagle eye wrote: »

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs. That is what the lawsuit was over. And he very clearly was. Some of the back ups in the league are easily worse than him

eagle eye

Foxtrol wrote:

I do wonder where all those posters are that were so adamant that he had absolutely no case and that he'd be laughed out of court.

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

eagle eye

raze_them_all_ wrote:

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs. That is what the lawsuit was over. And he very clearly was. Some of the back ups in the league are easily worse than him

Well and if I was a coach I wouldn't have signed him for two reasons, firstly because he was no good and secondly because if the potential for locker room conflict because of the kneeling.
I don't think anybody could take a case against you over that because it's just good management.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

So I take from your lack of response to my other points that you also accept that you were talking out of your arse regarding the connection between accepting the settlement and the wider cause he was protesting

eagle eye

Foxtrol wrote:

So I take from your lack of response to my other points that you also accept that you were talking out of your arse regarding the connection between accepting the settlement and the wider cause he was protesting

I'm saying it might all have been a con job to get a nice payday.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm saying it might all have been a con job to get a nice payday.

You've really moved into tin foil hat territory there.

Pretty big risk he was taking running a 'con' over 2.5 years while giving away a lot of money to charity during that period, especially when you claimed he didn't have a case to begin with.

raze_them_all_

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'd be one of those that didn't think he had a case because he had lost his way and become a poor QB before the kneeling started.

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

jack presley

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

2 teams have had Nathan Peterman on their roster too.

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raze_them_all_ wrote: »

He was blacklisted and kept out of the league for his political beliefs.

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly blacklisted.

With the Nike money and now this payoff, IMO he’s taken the money first and foremost. Totally up to him, but he hasn’t really suffered much and not the martyr some portray him as.

I personally do think he was at least good enough to be a backup for a number of teams; but he’s nowhere near the player he was in his first few years.

But he now has the chance to really make a difference and go down the political avenue if he so desires.

eagle eye

raze_them_all_ wrote:

Blake bortles has a job. To this day.

Bortles is better than him and that's not saying much for either of them.

Foxtrol

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly blacklisted.

None of that points to the fact he wasn't blacklisted. Broncos was before the protest and they wanted him to take a paycut on the money he had guaranteed with the 49ers in any trade. AAF is a separate league, with $20m being about going rate for a QB in the NFL and that's the level he see himself as. Ravens floating that they were thinking about signing him and not following through is pretty much worthless.

With the Nike money and now this payoff, IMO he’s taken the money first and foremost. Totally up to him, but he hasn’t really suffered much and not the martyr some portray him as.

I'm not sure many have been portraying him as a martyr in the last 20 hours. There was a period prior to this deal and definitely prior to the Nike ad (5 months ago) where it wasn't outlandish to portray him that way.

Ivefoundgod

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He was offered some deals I believe (Bronco’s), but wasn’t happy with the money. Reported to have wanted $20m to play in the AAF when approached. Ravens went for him, but fans went nuts. So he wasn’t exactly

The AAF $20m story was nonsense, one anonymous source and Benjamin allbright saying he has sources saying otherwise. The AAF reached out to Tebow and Kap, both declined to enter into any discussion which Tebow has confirmed this while Kap hasn't addressed it.

As a Ravens fan what you're saying isn't correct, there was very little backlash or outrage from the fans until his idiot girlfriend put up this tweet;

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/06/colin-kaepernick-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-nessa-diab-nfl

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Ivefoundgod wrote: »

The AAF $20m story was nonsense, one anonymous source

There’s no actual sources on the money in the settlement either, but we’re using the figures cited (in a non disclosure agreement).

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

As a Ravens fan what you're saying isn't correct

Being a Ravens fan has nothing to do with it. It got plenty of coverage. There was a blacklash at the time. The girlfriends actions (more influential to the owners decision) certainly incited it further, but it was there.

Foxtrol

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Being a Ravens fan has nothing to do with it. It got plenty of coverage. There was a blacklash at the time. The girlfriends actions (more influential to the owners decision) certainly incited it further, but it was there.

Big difference with there being backlash from the usual anti-protest sources/groups (MAGA, Fox News, right wing talking heads etc) and saying the backlash from the Ravens fans in particular. I'd count on a fan of the team, live Ivefoundgod is, being in a much better place to speak about the Ravens fan base rather than what we see in the media.

Billy86

Foxtrol wrote: »

I do wonder where all those posters are that were so adamant that he had absolutely no case and that he'd be laughed out of court.

Funny enough, eagle eye was probably the #1 advocate of that on here, which makes it kind of curious who he is now claiming it to be some kind of surprise that "it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again."

The court case was always about Kaepernick and his being blacklisted. Nobody ever had any doubt about that - eagle eye very much included from the quotes below, from the 2017 season where Scott Tolzien (1), Bryce Petty (3), TJ Yates (3), Brock Osweiler (4), Nathan Peterman (4), Mike Glennon (4), Drew Stanton (4), Blaine Gabbert (5) and Brett Hundley (9), combined for a total of 37 starts.

Kaepernick won pretty hard here - he was never going to be a $20mn/yr QB over the last few years but has now been paid out as if he had been on $30-40mn over the last two seasons if reports are true. His cause has gotten huge publicity, he became the center point of a Nike campaign that the likes of eagle eye claimed would cause them huge damage (whereas in reality Nike stock soon after hit an all-time high), was named GQ citizen of the year along with a bunch of other awards, and not a household name but certainly has grown his reputation a lot which is good as his playing days are surely over.

And the NFL? Well they clearly just badly want to see the back of this whole situation. Their extent of publicity was to bend over and lube up for a president that calls neo Nazi's "very fine people", only for the same president to continue to spit in their faces and throw temper tantrums after the fact, and to made complete asses of themselves throughout.

eagle eye wrote:

A lot of people seem to forget just how crap Kaepernick has been for a long time. He might feel like he was blacklisted but he wasn't good enough for that to be true.

eagle eye wrote:

He [Kaepernick] isn't better than Bortles, he is a lot worse than Bortles. As for Kizer, he is a rookie in an awful team, no chance you can call that one.

This Kaepernick should be on a roster stuff only started when he started kneeling down. Like wtf are people at? Nobody was saying he should be starting for the awful 49ers before he started kneeling.

eagle eye wrote:

No, I'm saying that the kneeling set him. off on a path which led to him becoming a divisive character. I'm saying he is a poor player.
He is not being blacklisted for kneeling. He is not being picked up because coaches don't want a divisive player who adds nothing to the team. If he was a good player some coaches might take the chance.
The key difference here is that imo he is not blacklisted for kneeling, it's simply a poor player who has now become a divisive character.

eagle eye wrote:

So let's take that on board and move on to after he became a media personality for kneeling. If I were a head coach I wouldn't want him in my locker room because it's very likely to cause disruption. There will be players who won't like him because he kneeled and started this whole thing, and there will be players who will stand or kneel with him which could end up causing a split in the locker room.

This suggestion that he has been blacklisted for taking a knee is wrong imo. He is not on a roster because nobody wants him.

D9Male

eagle eye wrote: »

So Kaepernick accepts a big settlement and it's all hush, hush and people are happy about it.?
I thought this wasn't about money, thought it was about black kids and the cops?
So because Kaepernick gets his money it doesn't matter anymore?
Basically he has accepted a settlement offer and it is all about him. People got conned by an athlete yet again.

Of course it's hush hush, there's a confidentiality clause.

Of course it's about the money. If you sue somebody for loss of earnings, by definition it's about money.

Not sure what you're implying about "black kids and cops." The kneeling was about social justice, the court case is about money... while also having the benefit of setting a good example of not allowing oneself to be bullied.

Why do you think his cause doesn't matter any more? It plainly does.

How were we conned?