Confession!?

Sam Quentin

IF..... I voted yes!?
I didn't vote for a religious or moral reason. Abortion was already available in Ireland(for special cases)and was already available(for everyone for any reason)if you were prepared to travel and all the stress, cost, logistics, sorrow etc etc that would come with travelling!?
So IF I voted yes!? Then I only did so to make abortion a little less stressful for any girl/woman who had made the decision to abort less stressful and with less 'hassle'..
I'm still a good Catholic and I am sorry if I upset the Catholic Church(my church)

http://www.thejournal.ie/bishop-catholics-who-voted-yes-sinned-4039904-May2018/

ohnonotgmail

does anybody take Kevin Doran seriously?

Canis Lupus

Irrelevant man talks about stuff...

Mr. Incognito

Look.

It's over.

Lets all take the week off. I'm sick of these immature threads.

Sam Quentin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

does anybody take Kevin Doran seriously?

Does anyone take anybody serious?
I can see his point, be it's kinda one sided or whatever. As a Catholic I would have sympathy and empathy for anyone having to travel, so why not take the stress and cost away from those women and just vote yes.. It's not remotely 'non' religious if you voted YES for that reason..

TheValeyard

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Irrelevant man talks about stuff...

Malayalam

Oh Cheesus, not another obliquely-about-abortion thread. I'm seriously considering closing my acount. This place is gone to ****e.

Sam Quentin

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Look.

It's over.

Lets all take the week off. I'm sick of these immature threads.

Your so mature that you couldn't ignore this thread and move on.
You probably need yoga to control your urge to not comment on immature threads!?
Lmao.....

5rtytry56

Classic Monday morning poo thread which takes the biscuit.

Hector Savage

Christ, if this is what you have to worry about OP, you must have a great life!

kneemos

I don't get the logic of voting yes on Friday with the intention of confessing on Monday to stay down with the big man.

Grayson

Probably not worthy of another thread but...

I did like the way he said the catholic church is a family and no-one gets kicked out. Because I've wanted to leave for ages and I can't. There's no way to leave the catholic church in Ireland.

Sam Quentin

Ahhhh here will yis all féck off with your BIG hangover heads.
It's not my fault I worked all weekend and am off now for a couple of days.
Yeeee-haasaa
Ahhhh I love Mondays

Guy:Incognito

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I'm still a good Catholic and I am sorry if I upset the Catholic Church(my church)

Are you sure youre old enough to vote? Stop being afraid of other adults giving out to you.

kneemos

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Ahhhh here will yis all féck off with your BIG hangover heads.
It's not my fault I worked all weekend and am off now for a couple of days.
Yeeee-haasaa
Ahhhh I love Mondays

Grand day for it.

Guy:Incognito

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I'm still a good Catholic and I am sorry if I upset the Catholic Church(my church)

Are you sure youre old enough to vote? Stop being afraid of other adults giving out to you.

Sam Quentin

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are you sure youre old enough to vote? Stop being afraid of other adults giving out to you.

Are you still here?
I thought I told you to take up yoga.

Malayalam

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you still here?
I thought I told you to take up yoga.

The priests don't like that much either.

wexie

Grayson wrote: »

Probably not worthy of another thread but...

I did like the way he said the catholic church is a family and no-one gets kicked out. Because I've wanted to leave for ages and I can't. There's no way to leave the catholic church in Ireland.

it's a pretty dysfunctional family isn't it?

You could always try to get yourself excommunicated?

Although I don't know what that would take. Could have to go through some serious effort

RustyNut

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Ahhhh here will yis all féck off with your BIG hangover heads.
It's not my fault I worked all weekend and am off now for a couple of days.
Yeeee-haasaa
Ahhhh I love Mondays

Well now you spend some of that free time taking out your sole and giving it a good scrub with dettol before the baby jesus sees it and starts his whinging again..

Bob Harris

It's classic catholicism. Sin first. Repent later.

Grayson

wexie wrote: »

it's a pretty dysfunctional family isn't it?

You could always try to get yourself excommunicated?

Although I don't know what that would take. Could have to go through some serious effort

Declaring yourself a same sex marriage supporter, abortion loving atheist isn't enough. They didn't even kick out child abusers.

I may have to declare myself pope.

Grayson

RustyNut wrote: »

Well now you spend some of that free time taking out your sole and giving it a good scrub with dettol before the baby jesus sees it and starts his whinging again..

Foot or fish?

Sam Quentin

Yis can all frig off now, I'm going fishing.
I'll speak to yis egits later when you all have a good sup of wine in yis... Yis winos

Irish Guitarist

Plenty of things are considered sins by the church. If you consider yourself a Catholic that's something you have to deal with.

He's giving his opinion. So what? He's not holding a gun to anyones head to go to confession.

wexie

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Yis can all frig off now, I'm going fishing.
I'll speak to yis egits later when you all have a good sup of wine in yis... Yis winos

With the weather like this it's gonna be beer tonight for me :pac:

quickbeam

Grayson wrote: »

I did like the way he said the catholic church is a family and no-one gets kicked out. Because I've wanted to leave for ages and I can't. There's no way to leave the catholic church in Ireland.

It's a good analogy though in fairness. No matter how fucked up your family is you can't officially leave them either. You can estrange yourself from them, and that's about as far as it goes.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

For forgiveness of sin in confession you must acknowledge the sin and be truly sorry. His premise that those voting Yes should go to confession is flawed.

5rtytry56

Jesus Quaint Piano wrote: »

. His premise that those voting Yes should go to confession is flawed.

Yup, a bit of a "flawed pedigree" in the words of a former Fine Gael Taoiseach here.

kneemos

Jesus Quaint Piano wrote: »

For forgiveness of sin in confession you must acknowledge the sin and be truly sorry. His premise that those voting Yes should go to confession is flawed.

So the sin is unforgivable?

Your Face

Nice day out.

BuboBubo

kneemos wrote: »

So the sin is unforgivable?

It's forgivable only if one truly repents.

If you believe that stuff.

JMNolan

If you voted for abortion you are not a good catholic.

wexie

Grayson wrote: »

Declaring yourself a same sex marriage supporter, abortion loving atheist isn't enough. They didn't even kick out child abusers.

I may have to declare myself pope.

Indeed, as Dara o'Briain has taught us, those things simply make you a bad Catholic

Seth Brundle

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Plenty of things are considered sins by the church. If you consider yourself a Catholic that's something you have to deal with.

Plenty of things appear not to be sins by the RCC. Things such as involvement in child trafficking, covering up and facilitating child abuse, overseeing the deaths of thousands of children through neglect and malnutrition.
But anyhow, voting one particular way is a sin and feck the lot of yis to hell!

kneemos

BuboBubo wrote: »

It's forgivable only if one truly repents.

If you believe that stuff.

Bit hollow if you just change your mind for forgiveness.

mcmoustache

I can see his point. The RSS isn't a democracy. It's more like a multi national corporation with a hierarchical structure with its own internal rules.

While most people don't know the Terms and Conditions before being forced to sign up, the organisation is entitled to its own membership rules.

The RCC makes no secret of it's hostility to abortion. It's kind of their whole thing in some places. Voting for increased abortion access is sort of breaking their T&Cs.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

kneemos wrote: »

So the sin is unforgivable?

It is forgivable if you acknowledge that you actually sinned and are truly sorry for having done so.

Hector Savage

Grayson wrote: »

Probably not worthy of another thread but...

I did like the way he said the catholic church is a family and no-one gets kicked out. Because I've wanted to leave for ages and I can't. There's no way to leave the catholic church in Ireland.

There used to be a way but didn't they stamp it out after too many people were leaving ?

countmeout.ie or something similar.

I guess the RCC wanted to keep their "stats" of practicing catholics unrealistically high.

Hector Savage

Absolutely brilliant from the Waterford Whispers
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/04/24/group-that-sold-babies-critical-of-peoples-decision-to-vote-yes/

I particularly liked

The prominent organisation also aided in the concealment of the rape of children and the abetting of the priests who carried out the sexual abuse of thinking, feeling children by relocating them to other parts of the country where they continued to rape and abuse children. It is unclear whether the group thinks this is a greater ‘moral wrong’ than voting ‘Yes’.

Some of elements of the group which is largely exempt from corporation tax, capital gains and capital acquisitions tax have failed to pay compensation to victims of sexual abuse, often stating its displeasure at having been found financially responsible for moral wrongs not nearly as bad as voting ‘Yes’.

Evidence has been found which suggests the Church, while operating the Mother and Baby home at Tuam, was found to be asking parents for money for the upkeep of some children that had already been discharged or had died. However, this same group would like you to know it is ‘morally wrong’ to vote ‘Yes’ in the upcoming referendum on the repeal of the 8th amendment.

o1s1n

Hector Savage wrote: »

There used to be a way but didn't they stamp it out after too many people were leaving ?

countmeout.ie or something similar.

I guess the RCC wanted to keep their "stats" of practicing catholics unrealistically high.

You can still be excommunicated, apostasy is one reason. I actually tried based on Atheist Ireland membership but they were having none of it. (Boo!)

wexie

I wonder will they completely loose the plot over the upcoming referendum on blasphemy

https://www.blasphemy.ie/2017/09/27/referendum-on-blasphemy/

pleas advice

Hector Savage wrote: »

Absolutely brilliant from the Waterford Whispers
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/04/24/group-that-sold-babies-critical-of-peoples-decision-to-vote-yes/

^They need to get better copy writers, the headlines are good, but the articles have always been poor

o1s1n

o1s1n wrote: »

You can still be excommunicated, apostasy is one reason. I actually tried based on Atheist Ireland membership but they were having none of it. (Boo!)

And this is outlined in the constitution but of course the RCC have Canon law :rolleyes: What a mafia!

Religious freedom: A citizen's freedom of religious conscience, practice, and worship is guaranteed, "subject to public order and morality", by Article 44.2.1°. The state may not "endow" any religion (Article 44.2.2°), nor discriminate on religious grounds (Article 44.2.3°).

pleas advice

pleas advice wrote: »

^They need to get better copy writers, the headlines are good, but the articles have always been poor

I agree 100%. Believe it or not the founder of WWN is actually a originally Tipperary man who is now living in Waterford.

Nettle Soup

JMNolan wrote: »

If you voted for abortion you are not a good catholic.

And if you turned a blind eye or facilitated the cover-up of child abuse for decades....you are not a good Catholic or person.
Name me one bishop who didn't know what was going on.

JMNolan

Nettle Soup wrote: »

And if you turned a blind eye or facilitated the cover-up of child abuse for decades....you are not a good Catholic or person.
Name me one bishop who didn't know what was going on.

I'm pretty sure that "if you turned a blind eye or facilitated the cover-up of child abuse for decades" that makes you a good catholic, at least by the rules of the RCC

Hector Savage

It does bother me slightly that I missed the count me out boat and the RCC use me as a stat - and millions of others.