Cameron Reilly Murder

Happy4all

Rezident wrote: »

How is there still no progress on this!? They know there were witnesses, this is supposedly a small town where everybody knows each other. Several people must know who it was.

They need evidence, which they haven't found yet or not revealed at this stage.

Captain Obvious

Rezident wrote: »

How is there still no progress on this!? They know there were witnesses, this is supposedly a small town where everybody knows each other. Several people must know who it was.

How do you know there is no progress? The same kind of comments were being made about Ana's murder too. Why do people think Gardaí will keep the public updated like that?

griffin100

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

Squatter

griffin100 wrote: »

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

If someone is eventually identified and charged with murder, the Irish taxpayer (us) will pay for an expensive defence lawyer who will do everything in his/her power to get the accused off. :mad:

Gatling

Squatter wrote: »

If someone is eventually identified and charged with murder, the Irish taxpayer (us) will pay for an expensive defence lawyer who will do everything in his/her power to get the accused off. :mad:

A few years in oberstown and be out for their 21st

AllForIt

griffin100 wrote: »

Personally I hope whoever did this is not a juvenile so they can be named and get a mandatory life sentence rather than being able to hide behind their age

I certainly agree that sentencing for juvenile crime is way too low in general. For serious crimes I think those over 13 should be sent to a prison purpose built for them and run in exactly the same way as an adult prison rather than being sent to detention centres. This subject has come up before and I know I'm an outlier on this but I firmly believe for serious offences we need to be more harsh on them, give them a taste of reality, then there might be a higher chance that they will willingly reform while they still have time to save their lives - which is what we would all want them to do rather than going back to crime as soon as they get out after too short a period in a cushy detention centre.

azwethinkweiz

Just on the snapchat thing... I did hear that a girl was opening them but on a tablet. Apparently young ones will share their Snapchat logins so they have friends who keep their "streak" up for them. Could be as simple as that?

From what I hear the gardaí are happy enough with how their investigation is going so far. So hopefully they are getting the info they need and are whittling down now... hopefully.

fly_agaric

whisky_galore wrote: »

Young or old. They're still cnuts though.

Even hardened criminals and terrorists started somewhere. Most of those had mammies and daddies.

I just don't buy the 'what is it with kids these days' line.

Killing someone violently isn't just "starting somewhere" - more like heading right to the top of the dangerous menace to society list along with hardened criminals and terrorists.

True, its likely a statistical blip rather than the beginning of a new trend, but last few days have been disturbing (and made me as a fogey wonder a bit about "kids these days").

Suckit

The Mirror have changed the story in that link to say that the phone is NOT found, and that it was the local priests.

I did read about the priests phone earlier on this thread, but the Mirrors story makes no sense now. They should just delete the story or stop at "His phone was NOT found".

TomOnBoard

Suckit wrote: »

The Mirror have changed the story in that link to say that the phone is NOT found, and that it was the local priests.

I did read about the priests phone earlier on this thread, but the Mirrors story makes no sense now. They should just delete the story or stop at "His phone was NOT found".

Mirror clickbait story. Crappy lazy journalism TBH.

Muahahaha

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

Just on the snapchat thing... I did hear that a girl was opening them but on a tablet. Apparently young ones will share their Snapchat logins so they have friends who keep their "streak" up for them. Could be as simple as that?

From what I hear the gardaí are happy enough with how their investigation is going so far. So hopefully they are getting the info they need and are whittling down now... hopefully.

Showing my age here but what is a streak on Snapchat? Like just logging into it or actually posting something?

Saw a headline on one of the papers that Gardai are focusing in on a boyfriend & girlfriend acting in tandem as the suspects

Exclamation Marc

Muahahaha wrote: »

Showing my age here but what is a streak on Snapchat? Like just logging into it or actually posting something?

Saw a headline on one of the papers that Gardai are focusing in on a boyfriend & girlfriend acting in tandem as the suspects

A streak on Snapchat is essentially the sending of snapchats on consecutive days to the same person/people. Snapchat notes the length of the 'streak' next to the relevant contact and once its broken the number disappears and you start at zero again.

Muahahaha

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

A streak on Snapchat is essentially the sending of snapchats on consecutive days to the same person/people. Snapchat notes the length of the 'streak' next to the relevant contact and once its broken the number disappears and you start at zero again.

ah right. So basically a tool to keep kids using it everyday for fear the score would go back to zero. A bit like how Trip Advisor are always sending me emails to leave more reviews so I can get up different levels and one day be called a Super Reviewer (Wow :rolleyes:) or some such, iirc they call it "gameifcation" and it is supposed to tap into the human psychology of building something and then the fear of letting it go (or having it taken away from you in Snapchats case it seems)

Adrift

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

whelan2

More crap in the mirror today

azwethinkweiz

CatHugz wrote: »

Yep to my knowledge thats exactly where i believe it happened. I could be wrong but I was there yesterday after the vigil and the pics in the news depict that strip. The tape in the ditch is what I recognised which you can see the Rivervale side. I too thought at first maybe the field behind closer to Glen Dimplex. And maybe it is and not where i thought? But here it explains better the proximity of Shamrock Grove and Rivervale residents being asked to come forward if they know anything

There's an RTE news link (I can't post url) with headline: "Fresh Appeal issued over murder of Cameron Reilly" which shows that strip very clearly

I see. I saw them searching up there but I didn't realise it was actually ON that strip that he was found. That's even more disturbing for me - I used to walk our dog up there. Makes more sense he was found by someone walking their dog then. It's right in front of houses too!? And just through the trees is Beechwood. He was so close to his grannys house - so close to safety. My heart breaks for him and the family. To have your loved one be brutally murdered possibly by his friends right near your doorstep... could it be much worse than that?

Suckit

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

Adrift

Adrift wrote: »

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

Except they literally are.

Captain Obvious

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

whisky_galore

Adrift wrote: »

We're losing empathy lads. There's a generation there that have never been held accountable for any action no matter how trivial. I was only saying a few weeks back that the most dangerous age bracket is 13-19 - literally do not give a f*ck. And unfortunately cases like poor Cameron's here are not uncommon.

Oh really?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-missing-postman-26713401.html
A whole village that closed ranks when someone disappeared, back in lovely old timey Ireland.

Where was all the empathy in this country when the place was full of laundries and industrial schools?
No accountability either....so...yeah. And you say young people don't give a fcuk?

I recall in the 80's they said the youth were going to the dogs with all the 'video nasties' and the in 90's and 00's it was the video games that were making them violent...

Suckit

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

No, I know that. The reason I wrote that was that showing remorse, or handing themselves, in often means the legal system does not go as hard on them.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Giving them time to show remorse isn't a part of it. It's just about gathering enough evidence to put to them during an interrogation.

Maybe they give them enough time to hang themselves on their social media/Messengers, no doubt they had warrants on all the accounts straight away. And with so many people no doubt a lot of them where talking about it

azwethinkweiz

Independent is reporting now that they think Cameron may have been lured to his death with a text or phonecall. They say there was a heated argument between Cameron and a girl outside the chipper - that could be the catalyst. (EDIT: I think I read this part in a different article and confused the two).

I don't know that they'll ever find that phone now but the phone company will have some record of incoming calls/texts won't they?

DNA will be crucial to prove this I think... but that all relies on finding the right person to DNA test in the first place.

Suckit

Would they be able to tell if it was male or female from the marks on his neck?
Presumably the DNA will show that anyway.

wakka12

I doubt a girl could strangle a grown and fairly average or above average size man like cameron unless a weapon was used.

Suckit

CatHugz wrote: »

Yep to my knowledge thats exactly where i believe it happened. I could be wrong but I was there yesterday after the vigil and the pics in the news depict that strip. The tape in the ditch is what I recognised which you can see the Rivervale side. I too thought at first maybe the field behind closer to Glen Dimplex. And maybe it is and not where i thought? But here it explains better the proximity of Shamrock Grove and Rivervale residents being asked to come forward if they know anything

There's an RTE news link (I can't post url) with headline: "Fresh Appeal issued over murder of Cameron Reilly" which shows that strip very clearly

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

I see. I saw them searching up there but I didn't realise it was actually ON that strip that he was found. That's even more disturbing for me - I used to walk our dog up there. Makes more sense he was found by someone walking their dog then. It's right in front of houses too!? And just through the trees is Beechwood. He was so close to his grannys house - so close to safety. My heart breaks for him and the family. To have your loved one be brutally murdered possibly by his friends right near your doorstep... could it be much worse than that?

The Irish Times has a detailed description about the area
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/someone-knows-something-cameron-reilly-greatly-missed-in-dunleer-1.3512995


You would have to imagine the phone is destroyed at this stage, unless whoever has it has been unable to yet.

Adamocovic

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

Independent is reporting now that they think Cameron may have been lured to his death with a text or phonecall. They say there was a heated argument between Cameron and a girl outside the chipper - that could be the catalyst.

I don't know that they'll ever find that phone now but the phone company will have some record of incoming calls/texts won't they?

DNA will be crucial to prove this I think... but that all relies on finding the right person to DNA test in the first place.

Link to the one I read

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

Where did you hear it was an argument with a girl? Says he was involved in an argument during the night while socialising with a group, which they reckon could have been the trigger to the events.

Then go on to say the phone is missing as the person who lured him there would be the last to call or message. They seem to be focusing now on DNA evidence rather than hopeful of the phone. I reckon it's long gone.

But if sources saw an argument they may get a suspect or person of interest to run DNA tests with.

Pure speculation but it sounds like a fallen out or disagreement, then a couple of people tricked him to coming to the field and bet him, ultimately killing him. No doubt when they are caught they will say they didn't mean to murder him but rather beat him. Absolutely disgusting and hope they are caught swiftly and made an example of.

DEFTLEFTHAND

whisky_galore wrote: »

Oh really?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-missing-postman-26713401.html
A whole village that closed ranks when someone disappeared, back in lovely old timey Ireland.

Where was all the empathy in this country when the place was full of laundries and industrial schools?
No accountability either....so...yeah. And you say young people don't give a fcuk?

I recall in the 80's they said the youth were going to the dogs with all the 'video nasties' and the in 90's and 00's it was the video games that were making them violent...

Didn't seem to be as many brutal murders back then.

Went from like 1 a year in the 60s to a couple per week in the space of 50 yrs.

Adamocovic

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

Apparently Gardaí were spotted getting tours of the area with teenagers so it would look like some have come forward, whether they witnessed the crime or not.

And I agree, I think the Gardaí are hoping with time the guilt and fear of being caught will make one of the suspects come to them rather than them pursuing the suspects. It is a lot more straight-forward if the guilt drives them or one of them to confess.

azwethinkweiz

Adamocovic wrote: »

Link to the one I read

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

Where did you hear it was an argument with a girl? Says he was involved in an argument during the night while socialising with a group, which they reckon could have been the trigger to the events.

Then go on to say the phone is missing as the person who lured him there would be the last to call or message. They seem to be focusing now on DNA evidence rather than hopeful of the phone. I reckon it's long gone.

But if sources saw an argument they may get a suspect or person of interest to run DNA tests with.

Pure speculation but it sounds like a fallen out or disagreement, then a couple of people tricked him to coming to the field and bet him, ultimately killing him. No doubt when they are caught they will say they didn't mean to murder him but rather beat him. Absolutely disgusting and hope they are caught swiftly and made an example of.

It must've been a different article where I read about the argument with a girl. I can't remember where I read it now - I think it said it was caught on the CCTV from outside the chipper though.

I agree that the phone is probably long gone. Knowing it's vital evidence, I doubt the killer just kept it. Probably smashed it up and burned it. DNA does seem to be the way it's looking now.

I don't think anyone can claim to accidentally strangle someone. It takes a lot of force and a surprisingly long time to strangle somebody - it's not like the movies. So I'm hoping they don't get away with that excuse in the end.

Roger_007

Adamocovic wrote: »

Apparently Gardaí were spotted getting tours of the area with teenagers so it would look like some have come forward, whether they witnessed the crime or not.

And I agree, I think the Gardaí are hoping with time the guilt and fear of being caught will make one of the suspects come to them rather than them pursuing the suspects. It is a lot more straight-forward if the guilt drives them or one of them to confess.

The Gardai should have it well narrowed down at this stage as to who the culprit(s) are. I would be surprised if there isn't an arrest or two by the end of the week. The sheer number of youngsters who were around the area at the time would make it very easy to pinpoint the killer(s) by a process of elimination. It's hardly likely that a complete stranger happened on the scene and killed Cameron.
The ones who are innocent would, I think, be anxious to come forward to establish their innocence, (they would be very foolish not to). It should be an easy case for the Gardai.

Adrift

Yeah, I think there'll be an arrest soon alright. The delay is more than likely due to the number of individuals involved - they'll all have to be interviewed multiple times to see what elements of the story changes etc.

I think the phone is a like to have rather than being critical to move forward, I think there's enough people involved that some at least will turn into credible witnesses.

Adamocovic

Roger_007 wrote: »

The Gardai should have it well narrowed down at this stage as to who the culprit(s) are. I would be surprised if there isn't an arrest or two by the end of the week. The sheer number of youngsters who were around the area at the time would make it very easy to pinpoint the killer(s) by a process of elimination. It's hardly likely that a complete stranger happened on the scene and killed Cameron.
The ones who are innocent would, I think, be anxious to come forward to establish their innocence, (they would be very foolish not to). It should be an easy case for the Gardai.

Exactly of the article posted here had two people who were there giving quotes. They apparently left earlier from the field.

Surely a list of who was present will be easy to come by.

White lighting

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I don't think anyone can claim to accidentally strangle someone. It takes a lot of force and a surprisingly long time to strangle somebody - it's not like the movies. So I'm hoping they don't get away with that excuse in the end.

Wayne O'Donohoe got away with manslaughter when he claimed he killed Robert Holohan with a head lock as far as i can remember in that shocking case down in Cork years ago.

Suckit

If it was done with hands, it would surely be different.

I guess the word 'strangle' has me always assuming it was with hands. It could of course be done with an arm lock or an item of clothing etc.

whelan2

Suckit wrote: »

If it was done with hands, it would surely be different.

I guess the word 'strangle' has me always assuming it was with hands. It could of course be done with an arm lock or an item of clothing etc.

He also had injuries to his teeth and face

RacoonQueen

Finding out who contacted him by mobile wouldn't be that hard for the Gardaí. His own mobile network will be able to tell who called him that night, so the Guards can use that to try and whittle down who it was that called him.
Text message wise, bit harder - but if they have a suspect they can I'm sure, get legal rights to their mobile phone records to see what SMS they sent him that night. If it was SMS, worst thing about the likes of whatsapp replacing SMS is mobile networks can't trace it.

azwethinkweiz

White lighting wrote: »

Wayne O'Donohoe got away with manslaughter when he claimed he killed Robert Holohan with a head lock as far as i can remember in that shocking case down in Cork years ago.

Yes and I thought that was ridiculous too. I don't believe anyone manually strangles someone by accident. I don't know how he got off on manslaughter charges. I fear the same will happen for this case but I really hope not.

Roger_007

Adamocovic wrote: »

Exactly of the article posted here had two people who were there giving quotes. They apparently left earlier from the field.

Surely a list of who was present will be easy to come by.

All statements would have to be cross-checked and corroborated. You could not take as fact any statement on its own in a case like this. Everyone could say that nothing happened while they were there, or that they left early.

Ash.J.Williams

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

the easiest thing in the world is to botch an arrest, it's 100% down to procedures being followed and NO room for error, so I'd give the cops plenty of time to make an arrest...it's only us the "viewers" that are affected really, the gardai will brief the families on the investigation and I'm sure they understand

Suckit

Yeah, I wasn't wondering why they hadn't made any arrests, more why the suspect or murderer doesn't come forward. They are given so much time, yet still choose not to.

Exclamation Marc

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Finding out who contacted him by mobile wouldn't be that hard for the Gardaí. His own mobile network will be able to tell who called him that night, so the Guards can use that to try and whittle down who it was that called him.
Text message wise, bit harder - but if they have a suspect they can I'm sure, get legal rights to their mobile phone records to see what SMS they sent him that night. If it was SMS, worst thing about the likes of whatsapp replacing SMS is mobile networks can't trace it.

He could have been called through WhatsApp chat, Viber, Facebook messenger or Facetime as well though so identifying it could be really tough too.

Muahahaha

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

He could have been called through WhatsApp chat, Viber, Facebook messenger or Facetime as well though so identifying it could be really tough too.

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

RacoonQueen

Yeah, not sure how that stuff works. Would guess that it all gets kept on servers for x amount of time but the amount of red tape needed to access it by police etc might make getting it restrictive.
Normal voice/sms data is fairly easily obtainable for network providers once its within the law but anything that goes over data that way, not so much.

Suckit

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

I'm pretty whatsapp can be traced and read (especially if it has already been backed up).
Signal is private and cannot. A lot of teenagers moving to it, and most already use snapchat which is also private.

Alhough once the Whatsapp messages are deleted on both ends before they were backed up, I don't think they can be read without using specialist software (and as long as they haven't been overwritten) on the devices.

TomOnBoard

Suckit wrote: »

One thing I have noticed between this murder and the Ana Kriegel murder, is that the Gardaí seem to give the suspect plenty of time to come forward.
I am guessing that there are plenty of reasons for this, showing remorse being one.

They must know who the girl is, that is suspected of 'witnessing' the murder. They seem to know her age, her movements and presumably where she lives.
I would guess that others at the scene have already spoken at this stage. The murderers DNA will be all over Cameron.

Like the suspect for Ana Kriegels murder, they also had information but did not make any arrests for almost a week.

No arrests are made until they're sure. In most cases, where DNA is involved, a suspect needs to be identified first, then that suspect's DNA needs to be taken, then analysed and compared to any DNA found at the crime scene. All this takes time. A week does not appear to be very long where DNA forms an important part of the evidence in the case.

Sam Quentin

New laws(if I remember correctly!?)were drafted into legislation regarding criminal activity and accessing phone 'data' from individuals expected off or believed to be involved in illegal activity..
This law would be well known by operators of messaging, calling, social media networks etc. I'd 'assume' they are all well aware and have good insight and knowledge of this and are all compliant,.. hence why they are legally operating in R.o.I......
Ps: I stand to be corrected.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I doubt any teenager uses SMS anymore when all these other services are available for free without eating into their phone credit.

I wonder how the American agencies like the FBI treat Whatapp, etc when they suspect incriminating evidence is contained in messages. Is it the case that Whatapp cannot be traced at all? If so youd imagine the likes of the FBI would be less than impressed that evidence of crime is unattainable.

They just get their friends in the NSA to give them the data, considering they record everything in covert ops like Prism etc

Suckit

Independent reporting that the Gardaí have whittled down the list of suspects, and that the Gardaí are investigating if he may have been lured to his death by a 'trusted friend'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/net-closes-in-on-killers-of-cameron-reilly-18-who-was-brutally-beaten-and-strangled-then-left-in-field-36963893.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

azwethinkweiz

Suckit wrote: »

Independent reporting that the Gardaí have whittled down the list of suspects, and that the Gardaí are investigating if he may have been lured to his death by a 'trusted friend'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/net-closes-in-on-killers-of-cameron-reilly-18-who-was-brutally-beaten-and-strangled-then-left-in-field-36963893.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-if-cameron-reilly-18-lured-to-his-death-with-phone-call-from-a-trusted-friend-36960899.html

I wonder have they worked out his approx time of death from the post mortem and then perhaps are using data received from the phone company to determine that he was "lured" to where he was killed.

Still thinking of him a lot. I really hope they're closing in on some people now.