Cameron Reilly Murder

azwethinkweiz

jluv wrote: »

I hadn't heard anything TBF. But I figured that a lot of the kids would have been local as would their families. Difficult for a community to deal with..(that he is dead,that he was left there and that noone is coming forward with info)

The friend is from Dunleer so there'll definitely be fallout from that (if what I've heard turns out to be true). But who knows... rumours fly, there might be nothing to it.

Cameron's uncle has said they know who did it, they're just gathering evidence. So, we'll see. I'm pretty confident there'll be an arrest soon enough.

azwethinkweiz

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Prison isn’t primarily about rehabilitation. If it were people would be sent in, regardless of crime, for an indefinite period until rehabilitated. Some serious crimes would see people released very early, others will stay in indefinitely.

I realise it's not always about rehabilitation but the vast majority is which is why they are then let out again. And on the other side of that, some people are never let out not just because of the severity of the crime but because they're still considered a danger to society.

Airyfairy12

Ive just been reading up about this story and im truly disturbed by how horrific it is. These young people where the victims 'friends', there was a large group of them - up to 20 people present and not one tried to stop the perpetrator, they then left - every one of them left - leaving the victim alone to die. Not one person there tried to help him or called an ambulance, and not one of these twisted individuals has come forward to report the killer, knowing the suffering the family is going through. What is going on?? this is sick beyond belief ...

Happy4all

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Ive just been reading up about this story and im truly disturbed by how horrific it is. These young people where the victims 'friends', there was a large group of them - up to 20 people present and not one tried to stop the perpetrator, they then left - every one of them left - leaving the victim alone to die. Not one person there tried to help him or called an ambulance, and not one of these twisted individuals has come forward to report the killer, knowing the suffering the family is going through. What is going on?? this is sick beyond belief ...

Gardai have interviewed a good chunk of the group who have come forward. You would hope at least one of them has the conscience to speak up and give vital information to allow justice be done.

azwethinkweiz

Happy4all wrote: »

Gardai have interviewed a good chunk of the group who have come forward. You would hope at least one of them has the conscience to speak up and give vital information to allow justice be done.

I think I've said this already but the word is that the guards know exactly who did it. They just want to gather as much evidence as possible.

20 people weren't sitting watching this happen... there was 20 people total hanging out that night and they reckon Cameron was lured to where he was murdered. So there very well could be friends that were there that didn't see him killed but I'm sure they've told their story because EVERYONE in the surrounding area in Dunleer has been interviewed. The guards have literally knocked into every single house.

I'm pretty hopeful once they have enough evidence, the guy (and whoever else was involved) will be arrested. I've heard names but I'm not going to repeat them here.

jon1981

<snip> ... just read the mod note.

Again, all speculation and hear say.

Adamocovic

It's all gone a bit quiet on the news front. I wonder will we hopefully see progress towards an arrest before the week is done.

markc1184

Adamocovic wrote: »

It's all gone a bit quiet on the news front. I wonder will we hopefully see progress towards an arrest before the week is done.

The local paper says that the Gardai viewed over 1000 hours of cctv but despite what the rumours say, no arrests are imminent. That is coming from Superintendent Andrew Watters. He is still appealing for witnesses to come forward.

wakka12

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

RacoonQueen

wakka12 wrote: »

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

That's the mad thing. More than one person knows who killed him yet there appears to be no guilt. Others have to know something. Are these people not intimidated by the guards at all. Even if I wasn't involved in any way I'd probably have been a bag of nerves been asked questions about it by the guards at that age.

Ultimate Seduction

wakka12 wrote: »

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

They probably do know who did it, but they need evidence. We don't know if anyone saw the murder or if anyone knows who murdered him so that's just speculation and disrespectful to the innocent people drinking with him that night.

jon1981

I can't believe this. How are those that know something sleeping at night ? The Gardai know he was lured there, how do they know this? They know he got a text message, how do they know this? They must have some statements and witnesses.

Muahahaha

Can the Gardai not just ask all 20 that were said to be in the field to provide their DNA?

John_Rambo

The Gardai will dig, dig and dig until they have a mountain of statements, witnesses, DNA, cam footage etc... and until they've exhausted every single avenue they will only bring the case to the DPP.

They might know exactly who did it. They might want to know more about who was an accessory, who didn't stop the crime, who didn't report it etc...

I'd imagine they're playing the long game in the hope of securing a rock solid case.

And I hope they get the right person/people. It's been a very very bad few weeks for young adults in the country.

francie81

John_Rambo wrote: »

Similar young men to Cameron have been murdered in Ireland purely because they were gay. Choose your words carefully, you may end up regretting you little homophobic outbursts.

Excuse me? Well just to clear myself the line your referring to was not at all directed at the chap since didn’t know him (despite being from Dunleer myself) so it seems you know more than I do or someone else here does, I was making the point that crime and the farcical justice system that comes with it appears to be a bigger problem in Ireland than that of recent referendums on such issues as I pointed out in my op, so that was immaturity for getting your wires crossed.

greencap

perpetrator is clearly an idiot.

like they're really going to get away with it.

plead guilty or make a run for it*.

lets say they're exceptionally lucky and nothing happens right now. well, guess what, a cold case team in the year 2034 will just pull out the future technology and do you then.

*this obviously won't work either.


not a snowballs chance. may as well cash in the guilty plea for a chance at a year off.

OldMrBrennan83

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greencap

greencap wrote: »

perpetrator is clearly an idiot.

like they're really going to get away with it.

plead guilty or make a run for it*.

lets say they're exceptionally lucky and nothing happens right now. well, guess what, a cold case team in the year 2034 will just pull out the future technology and do you then.

*this obviously won't work either.


not a snowballs chance. may as well cash in the guilty plea for a chance at a year off.

Pretty sure most murders in this country don't end with a murder conviction.

UsedToWait

Patww79 wrote: »

Hopefully a vast array of horrible misfortunes befalls anyone staying quiet about what happened and protecting the murderer.

By all accounts, Cameron was well liked.
The only thing that might be causing people to withhold evidence has to be fear.
Is the perpetrator from a 'known' family, I wonder?




Edit: that's assuming the Gardai don't have all the witness evidence that they should have
If I was a parent of a child who was there at any stage of the night, they'd have been down at the station the next morning, making their statement of the events they saw.

greencap

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty sure most murders in this country don't end with a murder conviction.

maybe if there was very smart premeditation and no witnesses, then maybe you're not going to end up in jail.

they got that architect guy. and he was a nerd with a well thought out plan.

this seems to have been impromptu with a bunch of nice crackable young witnesses, maybe even a teen girl among them.

whoever did this is doing time. no doubt.

greencap

greencap wrote: »

maybe if there was very smart premeditation and no witnesses, then maybe you're not going to end up in jail.

they got that architect guy. and he was a nerd with a well thought out plan.

this seems to have been impromptu with a bunch of nice crackable young witnesses, maybe even a teen girl among them.

whoever did this is doing time. no doubt.

Planning gives motive and a trail of evidence.

shebafay

This night 2 weeks ago a group of young people met up as usual. One of them ended up dead after meeting a violent end. It's now gone off the national news, and there is no sign of an impending arrest of the perpetrators. It's very scary to know that there is still a murderer on the loose in a relatively small community. I really really hope that the Gardai are building a strong case in the background.

greencap

Deleted User wrote: »

Planning gives motive and a trail of evidence.

And an impromptu act leaves a mountain of clues, evidence and loose ends, as well as panicked weak attempts at cover up, that hover like a giant flashing arrow over the guilty.

If its past 1980 and you find yourself on the wrong end of something serious and foolish, impromptu, or spur of the moment .... just go hand yourself in.

Or head to the airport immediately.

Your odds of evading justice are around prize bond levels.

Roger_007

I know some people who live in the area and the 'word on the street' is that everyone knows who done it but that the Gardai are meeting a wall of silence. The only hope is that forensic evidence will emerge.

JustAThought

They know. They'll be shouting in their sleep or raving some night out on the beer or they will whisper it in the ear of the person they're sleeping with one night in a rash of guilt and one day, there will be a blue light at the window or a knock on their door or a stopped passport when they are trying to leave the country and it will be finished for them. The doors will be heard slamming as far away as Dublin as their past friends run down to the station to cover their own arses and rat them out. Time will uncover all.Its only a matter of time,and forensics.

jluv

Roger_007 wrote: »

I know some people who live in the area and the 'word on the street' is that everyone knows who done it but that the Gardai are meeting a wall of silence. The only hope is that forensic evidence will emerge.

Not directed to you at all Roger,but whoever is creating this wall of silence need to have a very good look at themselves and the people they live with/know. A young man died,his parents/grandparents world is destroyed. So for those hoping that if they stay silent this will go away,wake up,man up and do the right thing. Noone can change what happened to Cameron now but his family can be supported by knowing what happened to their son/grandson..

whelan2

jluv wrote: »

Not directed to you at all Roger,but whoever is creating this wall of silence need to have a very good look at themselves and the people they live with/know. A young man died,his parents/grandparents world is destroyed. So for those hoping that if they stay silent this will go away,wake up,man up and do the right thing. Noone can change what happened to Cameron now but his family can be supported by knowing what happened to their son/grandson..

From what I hear they are not staying silent of their own will, there is a fear out there

Muahahaha

If the dogs on the street know who did it and the perp and their family are trying to cover it up then the community should consider holding a silent vigil outside their house. There is a murderer living amongst them, people need to stand up to it and send a message.

TomOnBoard

Many of the ppl who are keeping silent out of fear will no doubt be going through turmoil at the moment. However, others will not give a rattle. That's the way it is when criminality enforces silence in communities. The ppl with a conscience / moral compass will be balancing the need to do the 'right thing' with the fear of what might happen when/if they do that 'right thing'. The fear is real, the threats are often gargantuan. I know of a case in another jurisdiction where a party to a crime was threatened that if he 'grassed' then his 2 y.o. nephew would be killed. This is basically terrorism and will not be easily broken down. Anyone who thinks it is an easy decision for those witnesses who might not otherwise have been involved is not living in the real world.

The only hope here at this point is that AGS gets definitive evidence to crack the fear-mongers. When the core is breached, then the dominoes may fall, as the primary perpetrator is given up by partners in the crime to avoid facing a long stint life in jail.

jluv

whelan2 wrote: »

From what I hear they are not staying silent of their own will, there is a fear out there

Wow! I get what you are saying but it is shocking (to me) that someone can have that much influence on a community. A robbery/breakin/damage to property I get. not important enough to put yourself on the radar with these people. But a murder of an innocent young man? These must be really hardcore folks for that kind of fear..

TomOnBoard

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The only hope here at this point is that AGS gets definitive evidence to crack the fear-mongers. When the core is breached, then the dominoes may fall, as the primary perpetrator is given up by partners in the crime to avoid facing a long stint life in jail.

Happy4all

Beginning to fear that the Gardai don't have sufficient evidence to bring a charge.

Brae100

I've lived in areas where people don't talk to the police, but not concerning the murder of an innocent person. The only time I've seen this sort of fear is IRA.

Airyfairy12

I don't believe theyre in fear at all, this is teenage lads youre talking about, not the mafia.. An anonymous phone call to the guards, a letter handed in to a shop or the church. Theyre afraid of getting in trouble themselves and the longer they leave it the more trouble they think they might get into. The problem is teenagers haven't fully formed maturity and empathy yet. They might know what happened was very wrong but they may not fully grasp the magnitude of it. For all we know they didnt mean to kill him, might have lured him there to give him a beating but it got out of hand - a beating is horrific in itself but teenagers do it, regularly. I remember in school I fell out with a friend over something ridiculously stupid, a group of girls from my form class approached me one day and asked if I wanted them to beat her up for me. Thats the way allot of teenagers think and they protect each other too.

Suckit

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I don't believe theyre in fear at all, this is teenage lads youre talking about, not the mafia.. An anonymous phone call to the guards, a letter handed in to a shop or the church.

I think the Gardaí already have an idea who did it, so I am not sure what an anonymous phonecall will do unless they can tell them where the phone is.

Their fear is probably of having to appear in court as a witness.

I am just curious if the Gardaí know who killed Cameron, or think they do, could they get a warrant to search the individuals house or property to search for the phone?
There are probably a whole load of other reasons why they shouldn't do that too.
I hope at the very least there is somebody watching the suspect day and night.

Ash.J.Williams

Brae100 wrote: »

I've lived in areas where people don't talk to the police, but not concerning the murder of an innocent person. The only time I've seen this sort of fear is IRA.

like Paul Quinn?

Airyfairy12

Suckit wrote: »

I think the Gardaí already have an idea who did it, so I am not sure what an anonymous phonecall will do unless they can tell them where the phone is.

Their fear is probably of having to appear in court as a witness.

I am just curious if the Gardaí know who killed Cameron, or think they do, could they get a warrant to search the individuals house or property to search for the phone?
There are probably a whole load of other reasons why they shouldn't do that too.
I hope at the very least there is somebody watching the suspect day and night.

A post was doing the rounds on facebook by someone known to Cameron asking anyone who knows what happened and doesnt want to come forward to drop a note into a specific local shop or church. It doesn't seem like they know who did it. The phone is likely gone.

Adamocovic

Suckit wrote: »

I think the Gardaí already have an idea who did it, so I am not sure what an anonymous phonecall will do unless they can tell them where the phone is.

Their fear is probably of having to appear in court as a witness.

I am just curious if the Gardaí know who killed Cameron, or think they do, could they get a warrant to search the individuals house or property to search for the phone?
There are probably a whole load of other reasons why they shouldn't do that too.
I hope at the very least there is somebody watching the suspect day and night.

Yeah, I would imagine they have a strong idea of who did it but just need solid proof to avoid anything going wrong with a trial.

As for the phone, I don't think they are finding that. Could be destroyed and well gone at this stage.

Reati

The dogs on the street know who did it at this point. Someone is bound to have told the name to the gardai but without a) hard evidence, b) A willing testimony and court appearances c) a confession this is fairly unlikely to see someone get jailed for this crime. Life is just unfortunately.

seamus

jluv wrote: »

Wow! I get what you are saying but it is shocking (to me) that someone can have that much influence on a community. A robbery/breakin/damage to property I get. not important enough to put yourself on the radar with these people. But a murder of an innocent young man? These must be really hardcore folks for that kind of fear..

Border counties can still have a very 1970s attitude to the authorities in some areas. A throwback to when the IRA were the law and the Gardai and RUC were arms of the enemy.

Aside from a general reluctance to talk to the Gardai, as another poster mentions there's a possibility that the perpetrators are well connected with old terrorists and a "warning" has gone out to not talk to the Gardai.

Muahahaha

seamus wrote: »

Border counties can still have a very 1970s attitude to the authorities in some areas. A throwback to when the IRA were the law and the Gardai and RUC were arms of the enemy.

Aside from a general reluctance to talk to the Gardai, as another poster mentions there's a possibility that the perpetrators are well connected with old terrorists and a "warning" has gone out to not talk to the Gardai.

In the days after the murder one of the papers wrote about the 20 odd people in the field. It said there was 3 groups who socialised there on Friday nights. The one that Cameron was in just stood around chatting, group 2 were said to be drinkers and group 3 were said to be drinkers, drug users and to have republican connections. So it is a real possibility that an omerta has descended on those in the know.

White lighting

Surely the killer or killers would have left DNA when they were stangling Cameron?
Absolutely gobsmacked nobody been arrested or charged with this yet.

whelan2

Muahahaha wrote: »

In the days after the murder one of the papers wrote about the 20 odd people in the field. It said there was 3 groups who socialised there on Friday nights. The one that Cameron was in just stood around chatting, group 2 were said to be drinkers and group 3 were said to be drinkers, drug users and to have republican connections. So it is a real possibility that an omerta has descended on those in the know.

Paper doesn't refuse ink

shebafay

A Justice For Cameron Facebook page was set up Saturday evening. It has near 8000 followers. Hopefully the power of social media can exert pressure on some to come forward

UsedToWait

shebafay wrote: »

A Justice For Cameron Facebook page was set up Saturday evening. It has near 8000 followers. Hopefully the power of social media can exert pressure on some to come forward

Hopefully people don't prejudice any potential prosecutions by publishing rumours.

With how long it's taking the Gardai must be making sure the case it super-mega-ultra-airtight from what I've read on here.

Muahahaha

Front page of the Scum today is claiming a drug gang have threatened eye witnesses not to talk

TomOnBoard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With how long it's taking the Gardai must be making sure the case it super-mega-ultra-airtight from what I've read on here.

Or else they don't have enough evidence... I can't see AGS leaving a prime suspect free to intimidate witnesses and/or commit another crime if they had sufficient evidence to arrest.

What Username Guidelines

Teenager arrested this morning

http://www.thejournal.ie/cameron-reilly-4072239-Jun2018/?amp=1#click=https://t.co/n0aQBNBBZf

Hopefully this will be the crack that opens the whole thing.