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weisses

wexie wrote: »

I've been trying to figure that out for a while.

I doubt a clear and concise answer will be forthcoming though

Don't get your hopes up

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

I think it's questionable he was a real Muslim to begin with

The ostrich defence. Keep your head in the sand there buddy.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

The ostrich defence. Keep your head in the sand there buddy.

He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ...

I know the term Muslim fits your narrative but I think it's highly unlikely your man was a devoted supporter of Islam

But if he needs to be a Muslim for your circle jerk to continue then I won't stop you

TomSweeney

weisses wrote: »

He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ...

I know the term Muslim fits your narrative but I think it's highly unlikely your man was a devoted supporter of Islam

But if he needs to be a Muslim for your circle jerk to continue then I won't stop you

Correct, well said.
Mentally ill people act alone, I mean it's not like there is some sacred book that commands the believer to kill the kufar non believer.

Ronaldinho

weisses wrote: »

He was a white Belgium national ................

But if he needs to be a Muslim

So what you're saying is that being a 'white Belgian' and Muslim are mutually exclusive? Sounds a bit racist to me.

Think I'll defer to the Reuters version of events: https://www.reuters.com/article/belgium-shooting/belgium-under-scrutiny-over-release-of-radicalised-convict-before-attack-idUSL5N1T06DN

• He converted to Islam while in detention, a Belgian security source told Reuters, and was under suspicion of radicalisation.

• A Koran and prayer rug were found during a search of his cell, local media said.

• A cleaning woman at the school who found herself “nose to face with the killer” told public broadcaster RTBF that he spared her because she was Muslim.

• Herman had shouted “Allahu Akbar”, the Muslim affirmation of faith, during his attack and he had had contact with Islamist radicals in jail in 2016 and early 2017.

• He also appeared to have followed online exhortations from Islamic State to stab police officers and use their service weapons to shoot others, prosecutors said.

I would suggest that you consider the possibility that people are angry not out of any prejudice of this religion or that, but because European security agencies and the bureaucrats they report to seem to be failing to deal with the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.

According to lawmaker George Dallemagne, who sits on several Belgian parliamentary security committees.
“We have a tragic experience in Belgium, with people entering prison as petty criminals and leaving as terrorists,” he told Reuters.

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ...

I know the term Muslim fits your narrative but I think it's highly unlikely your man was a devoted supporter of Islam

But if he needs to be a Muslim for your circle jerk to continue then I won't stop you

Have you got a link to any mental health issues that he had??

BoJack Horseman

weisses wrote: »

He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ...

Prison authorities found a Quaran and a prayar mat in his cell.

So...

- Quaran
- Prayar mat
- "Radicalised"

Do you think he was a Gideon or a Unitarian..... or a Muslim?

4068ac1elhodqr

Similar thing again this afternoon, not too far away in Netherlands:
i.e. Known individual, weilding axe at officers, shouting about a skygod etc.

A K9 sent in was injured and later passed away. RIP K9.

weisses

Ronaldinho wrote: »

So what you're saying is that being a 'white Belgian' and Muslim are mutually exclusive? Sounds a bit racist to me.

Think I'll defer to the Reuters version of events: https://www.reuters.com/article/belgium-shooting/belgium-under-scrutiny-over-release-of-radicalised-convict-before-attack-idUSL5N1T06DN

• He converted to Islam while in detention, a Belgian security source told Reuters, and was under suspicion of radicalisation.

• A Koran and prayer rug were found during a search of his cell, local media said.

• A cleaning woman at the school who found herself “nose to face with the killer” told public broadcaster RTBF that he spared her because she was Muslim.

• Herman had shouted “Allahu Akbar”, the Muslim affirmation of faith, during his attack and he had had contact with Islamist radicals in jail in 2016 and early 2017.

• He also appeared to have followed online exhortations from Islamic State to stab police officers and use their service weapons to shoot others, prosecutors said.

I would suggest that you consider the possibility that people are angry not out of any prejudice of this religion or that, but because European security agencies and the bureaucrats they report to seem to be failing to deal with the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.

According to lawmaker George Dallemagne, who sits on several Belgian parliamentary security committees.
“We have a tragic experience in Belgium, with people entering prison as petty criminals and leaving as terrorists,” he told Reuters.

You hit the nail on the head ... Prison can make people more fukced up .. people radicalize to all kind of fringe groups in prison

He did not convert to "Islam" ... He converted to an ISIS poster boy, maybe in another prison he would have walked out with swastikas tattooed on his face

inforfun

Gerald Modern Rancor wrote: »

Similar thing again this afternoon, not too far away in Netherlands:
i.e. Known individual, weilding axe at officers, shouting about a skygod etc.

A K9 sent in was injured and later passed away. RIP K9.

Killed by a 27 year old Syrian pharmacist who was ****ing about with some axes while yelling the all so well known slogan.
2nd Syrian in a a month that needed to be shot in the leg to avoid worse, in the Netherlands.

Thanks Merkel.

jmayo

weisses wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head ... Prison can make people more fukced up .. people radicalize to all kind of fringe groups in prison

He did not convert to "Islam" ... He converted to an ISIS poster boy, maybe in another prison he would have walked out with swastikas tattooed on his face

So he was praying to Jehovah then.
Or maybe he was praying to Buddha.

BTW I don't think ISIS poster boys are anything but followers of islam.
You are of course free to find the jehovah witnesses, jews, catholics, buddhists, sikhs, mormons, lutherans, hindus, scientologists that are ISIS poster boys. :rolleyes:

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head ... Prison can make people more fukced up .. people radicalize to all kind of fringe groups in prison

He did not convert to "Islam" ... He converted to an ISIS poster boy, maybe in another prison he would have walked out with swastikas tattooed on his face

When have swastika face tattooed radicalised people start shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing all over Europe recently??

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

When have swastika face tattooed radicalised people start shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing all over Europe recently??

You clearly don't get my point

When have normal law abiding Muslims did these things you mentioned ?

He converted into a into an ISIS idealized Muslim version

But hey it suits you can shout MUSLIM

weisses

inforfun wrote: »

Killed by a 27 year old Syrian pharmacist who was ****ing about with some axes while yelling the all so well known slogan.
2nd Syrian in a a month that needed to be shot in the leg to avoid worse, in the Netherlands.

Death by a thousand cuts ... Hes probably out in 2 weeks though ... utter scum

inforfun

weisses wrote: »

Death by a thousand cuts ... Hes probably out in 2 weeks though ... utter scum

If "out" means out of the country back to sand of origin, i am ok with that.

But i am pretty sure the Dutch mental health care thinks they can "fix" this guy and soon will be set up in a house in a working class area. Unsupervised of course when he deosnt want that.

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

You clearly don't get my point

When have normal law abiding Muslims did these things you mentioned ?

He converted into a into an ISIS idealized Muslim version

But hey it suits you can shout MUSLIM

That's an oxymoron.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

When have swastika face tattooed radicalised people start shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing all over Europe recently??

Oxymoron ?

Then what is this ?

cfuserkildare

So I suppose this is just another poor misguided soul too then?

https://news.sky.com/story/man-admits-prince-george-terror-plot-in-change-of-plea-11390636

gw80

weisses wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head ... Prison can make people more fukced up .. people radicalize to all kind of fringe groups in prison

He did not convert to "Islam" ... He converted to an ISIS poster boy, maybe in another prison he would have walked out with swastikas tattooed on his face

Christ almighty, what is wrong with you,
When was the last time a swastika wearing skin head was in the news for chopping someone up or shooting multiples of people.
This is not a tit for tat gang issue, it is not a level playing field.
Your an apologists of the highest order,
Its not nazis against isis, its muslim extremists against me, you, everyone.
People like you keep going on about ****ing Nazis, where are these evil nazis, iv looked everywhere, even under me bed,
Dont get me wrong, im fully aware that there are neo nazi types out there, but for the most part they keep to themselves and are not sitting around thinking up plans to murder innocent people,
Do you really think there are neo nazi types out there coming up with plans to kill innocent children with bombs or machetes,

Captain Obvious

gw80 wrote: »

nazis, iv looked everywhere, even under me bed,

And how many extremist Muslims dis you find under there?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Oxymoron ?

Then what is this ?

The oxymoron, or contradiction of terms, is that they wouldn’t be law abiding if they carried out atrocities.

weisses

cfuserkildare wrote: »

So I suppose this is just another poor misguided soul too then?

https://news.sky.com/story/man-admits-prince-george-terror-plot-in-change-of-plea-11390636

No one on this thread has any sympathy for ISIS and their followers

So I don't see the relevance

weisses

gw80 wrote: »

Christ almighty, what is wrong with you,
When was the last time a swastika wearing skin head was in the news for chopping someone up or shooting multiples of people.
This is not a tit for tat gang issue, it is not a level playing field.
Your an apologists of the highest order,
Its not nazis against isis, its muslim extremists against me, you, everyone.
People like you keep going on about ****ing Nazis, where are these evil nazis, iv looked everywhere, even under me bed,
Dont get me wrong, im fully aware that there are neo nazi types out there, but for the most part they keep to themselves and are not sitting around thinking up plans to murder innocent people,
Do you really think there are neo nazi types out there coming up with plans to kill innocent children with bombs or machetes,

There is nothing wrong with me

I agreed that you can radicalize in prison, and that it can take many forms all depending the situation and I gave an example ... Prison has a tendency to make people worse

Not my fault you are unable to understand context

Can you give me 1 example as to how I am being a apologist ?

weisses

wrong person quoted

gw80

Captain Obvious wrote: »

And how many extremist Muslims dis you find under there?

None.
But i know which one id be less suprised to see.

Captain Obvious

weisses wrote: »

So you argue there is no such thing as a law abiding Muslim ? ...... terrific

Where did I argue that?

weisses

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Where did I argue that?

Sorry .. I used the wrong quote

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

The oxymoron, or contradiction of terms, is that they wouldn’t be law abiding if they carried out atrocities.

Are you really saying a Muslim cannot be a law abiding citizen ? ...

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Are you really saying a Muslim cannot be a law abiding citizen ? ...

No, I haven't said that anywhere. Perhaps look up the meaning of the word oxymoron, or alternatively read post #222. :rolleyes:

TomSweeney

Gerald Modern Rancor wrote: »

Similar thing again this afternoon, not too far away in Netherlands:
i.e. Known individual, weilding axe at officers, shouting about a skygod etc.

A K9 sent in was injured and later passed away. RIP K9.

Well he should be done with murdering a police officer.


50 years in prison - no parole.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

No, I haven't said that anywhere. Perhaps look up the meaning of the word oxymoron, or alternatively read post #222. :rolleyes:

I thought you suggested it at post 217 ..... But I see now I wasn't the only one thinking that ....thanks

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

I thought you suggested it at post 217 ..... But I see now I wasn't the only one thinking that ....thanks

No, you weren’t, the mod though that too, luckily he understood what I meant when I PM’d him and is going to rescind the card. Now, back to Liege....

Captain Obvious

weldoninhio wrote: »

No, you weren’t, the mod though that too, luckily he understood what I meant when I PM’d him and is going to rescind the card. Now, back to Liege....

It's fairly obvious to everyone what you meant. It's not surprising you back pedaled either.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

No, you weren’t, the mod though that too, luckily he understood what I meant when I PM’d him and is going to rescind the card. Now, back to Liege....

So what is the oxymoron in this

When have normal law abiding Muslims did these things you mentioned ?

You claimed it was one .. Now you have to only back it up ... simples

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

So what is the oxymoron in this



You claimed it was one .. Now you have to only back it up ... simples

An oxymoron is a contradiction of terms. OK. You've taken that in? Should I explain again? CONTRADICTION OF TERMS.

You asked me "When have normal law abiding (bolded by me) Muslims did these things you mentioned?"

The things i'd mentioned were "shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing"


If someone is shooting cops, driving over people and suicide bombing, they are, BY DEFINITION, not LAW ABIDING therefore its an OXYMORON (a contradiction of terms).

Its literally basic English, no back peddling required.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

An oxymoron is a contradiction of terms. OK. You've taken that in? Should I explain again? CONTRADICTION OF TERMS.

You asked me "When have normal law abiding (bolded by me) Muslims did these things you mentioned?"

The things i'd mentioned were "shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing"


If someone is shooting cops, driving over people and suicide bombing, they are, BY DEFINITION, not LAW ABIDING therefore its an OXYMORON (a contradiction of terms).

Its literally basic English, no back peddling required.

No you bolded the whole sentence

I asked you When normal law abiding Muslims are on a a rampage shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing in Europe

An Oxymoron is a phrase that does not seem to make any logical sense therefore To you a law abiding Muslim doesn't seem to make any logical sense

the mistake you made is that all Muslims have to go on a a rampage shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing in Europe in your Oxymoron statement for it to work

A few examples

Clearly confused
Act naturally
Painfully beautiful
Deafening silence
Pretty ugly
Pretty fierce
Pretty cruel
Definitely maybe

and you added law abiding Muslim to that list

Get it ?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

No you bolded the whole sentence

I asked you When normal law abiding Muslims are on a a rampage shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing in Europe

An Oxymoron is a phrase that does not seem to make any logical sense therefore To you a law abiding Muslim doesn't seem to make any logical sense

the mistake you made is that all Muslims have to go on a a rampage shooting cops/driving over people/suicide bombing in Europe in your Oxymoron statement for it to work

A few examples

Clearly confused
Act naturally
Painfully beautiful
Deafening silence
Pretty ugly
Pretty fierce
Pretty cruel
Definitely maybe

and you added law abiding Muslim to that list

Get it ?

To use your list above, would:

a law abiding suicide bomber
a law abiding person purposely driving into a crowd
a law abiding cop killer

make logical sense?? Or are they oxymorons??

This is the last time i'll be replying on this. I know you are trying to drag the thread so far off course that it's shut down, its a well known tactic.

Now, back to Liege

"He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ..."

any source that states he had mental health issues, like you have claimed?? Or have you made that up?

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

To use your list above, would:

a law abiding suicide bomber
a law abiding person purposely driving into a crowd
a law abiding cop killer

make logical sense?? Or are they oxymorons??

Ahh be fair now ... You said a law abiding Muslim is an oxymoron

By looking at your own examples do you now see how stupid that sounds

weldoninhio wrote: »

Now, back to Liege

"He was a white Belgium national with serious mental issues who recently radicalized in prison ..."

any source that states he had mental health issues, like you have claimed?? Or have you made that up?

Lets continue your reasoning

What is a mentally stable, violent, murdering drug abuser ?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Ahh be fair now ... You said a law abiding Muslim is an oxymoron

By looking at your own examples do you now see how stupid that sounds





Lets continue your reasoning

What is a mentally stable, violent, murdering drug abuser ?

So have you a source for this mans mental instability??

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

So have you a source for this mans mental instability??

Yes ... Look at his bio

I cannot help you any further If you conclude he was a mentally stable person.

I assume you did read up on him yes ?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Yes ... Look at his bio

I cannot help you any further If you conclude he was a mentally stable person.

I assume you did read up on him yes ?

Have you a link to his bio?? I’ve read up a lot on the case, saw nothing about his mental health.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

Have you a link to his bio?? I’ve read up a lot on the case, saw nothing about his mental health.

Hahahaha ... You claim to have read a lot about this man and have no opinion about his mental health ? .. are you deliberately obtuse ?

My oxymoron for the day

A mentally stable heroine abusing, robbing, radicalized ISIS supporting violent murderer

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Hahahaha ... You claim to have read a lot about this man and have no opinion about his mental health ? .. are you deliberately obtuse ?

My oxymoron for the day

A mentally stable heroine abusing, robbing, radicalized ISIS supporting violent murderer

So that’s a no on a link stating he had mental health problems??

You just made it up. Fair enough, at least we know now.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

So that’s a no on a link stating he had mental health problems??

You just made it up. Fair enough, at least we know now.

He had mental health issues by definition Im not making this up .. Perhaps look at the definition of mental health and educate yourself

You need a link that states a heroine abusing, robbing, radicalized ISIS supporting violent murderer was mentally unstable ? ... :rolleyes::o

Let me ask you this: Do you think he was mentally stable/had mental health problems ?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

He had mental health issues by definition Im not making this up .. Perhaps look at the definition of mental health and educate yourself

You need a link that states a heroine abusing, robbing, radicalized ISIS supporting violent murderer was mentally unstable ? ... :rolleyes::o

Let me ask you this: Do you think he was mentally stable/had mental health problems ?

Ok Dr Weisses :rollseyes:

Exhibit 1 in why the left is a joke. Making up “mental health issues” because a follower of Allah murders people.

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ok Dr Weisses :rollseyes:

Exhibit 1 in why the left is a joke. Making up “mental health issues” because a follower of Allah murders people.

Seems I hit a nerve

Let me ask you this: Do you think he was mentally stable/had mental health problems ?

weldoninhio

weisses wrote: »

Seems I hit a nerve

Let me ask you this: Do you think he was mentally stable/had mental health problems ?

I’ve no idea, I haven’t read his medical history.

When did you first realise you had the gift to diagnose people without ever meeting them??

Dohnjoe

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ok Dr Weisses :rollseyes:

Exhibit 1 in why the left is a joke. Making up “mental health issues” because a follower of Allah murders people.

He is listed on his psychological profile as "unstable". This wasn't a normal guy off the street, he was a violent offender in prison since around 2002 whose first act was to murder an ex inmate (prior to killing the police officers) Was he all there? debatable. Was he radicalised in some form whilst in prison? looks quite possible

weisses

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’ve no idea, I haven’t read his medical history.

When did you first realise you had the gift to diagnose people without ever meeting them??

You can simply answer the question by looking at the definition of mental health then look at what he did for the past 15 years

Its not that difficult

weldoninhio

Dohnjoe wrote: »

He is listed on his psychological profile as "unstable". This wasn't a normal guy off the street, he was a violent offender in prison since around 2002 whose first act was to murder an ex inmate (prior to killing the police officers) Was he all there? debatable. Was he radicalised in some form whilst in prison? looks quite possible

Where is his psychological profile? I wouldn’t mind a read of it.