Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

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gimli2112

I just hope we don't beat the champions league scoring record again this year. Don't want people thinking it's easy.

~Rebel~

mada999 wrote: »

it's a complete non story for me.... but what actually annoys me is that he has no security with him or near him... think the club should have some kind of security for the players...there's some wing nuts out there

That's a dangerous path to tread though... footballers are already so removed from the common man, and having them shadowed 24/7 by bodyguards only increases that. Also I'm sure the players would hate it. Sure, you could reserve it for match days or something, but that defeats the purpose.

Unless there are actual threats or something that requires further action, just let them try to be as normal as they can.

~Rebel~

Agent Coulson wrote: »

From 3rd seed last season we had the easiest group in the history of the CL and the easiest route ever to the final.

So no worries about being 3rd seed.

Real Madrid's path in 15/16 was the easiest I've seen I think. A much poorer Roma, Wolfsburg, and a much poorer Man City, before their first major test in the final against Atleti.

(or were you being facetious and I just totally missed it?)

OwaynOTT

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Real Madrid's path in 15/16 was the easiest I've seen I think. A much poorer Roma, Wolfsburg, and a much poorer Man City, before their first major test in the final against Atleti.

(or were you being facetious and I just totally missed it?)

Just assume everyone is being facetious. It's safer. That and scarastic.

murpho999

Looks like Celtic won't be in the mix anyway, might please all the new Rangers fans on here.

Agent Coulson

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Real Madrid's path in 15/16 was the easiest I've seen I think. A much poorer Roma, Wolfsburg, and a much poorer Man City, before their first major test in the final against Atleti.

(or were you being facetious and I just totally missed it?)

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Just assume everyone is being facetious. It's safer. That and scarastic.

This :P

ricero

murpho999 wrote: »

Looks like Celtic won't be in the mix anyway, might please all the new Rangers fans on here.

**** Celtic, up the Gers and club legend Stevie G !

Harry Palmr

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Just assume everyone is being facetious. It's safer. That and scarastic.

and knowing, and wry.

This thread is essentially one big

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Looks like Celtic won't be in the mix anyway, might please all the new Rangers fans on here.

No harm. Could be a dodgy 4th seed.

Harry Palmr

Just as well Liverpool swerved any loan to Celtic, clearly utter rubbish

Turtyturd

Not good for ‘The Rodgers’. His one objective for the season would be trying to qualify for the Europa League from those six champions league games.

Agent Coulson

The Celtic manager is falling out with his chairman according to a few of the podcasts yesterday.


Something about not getting the tools he needs.


So yes just as well we didn't loan any players up there.

Agent Coulson

Mad as a bag of cats Bielsa is calling Harry Wilson an exceptional talent high praise indeed after his Leeds team destroyed Derby.

Speak Now

Celtic not gone yet.

Paok knocked out Spartak Moscow.

Good or great night for Greeks......

Benfica through.

Still another round for them to play though.

murpho999

RoboKlopp wrote: »

No harm. Could be a dodgy 4th seed.

Would have liked to have seen Rodgers return to Anfield, would be a prestigious tie and interested to see if he rested some of his first team for a league match at the weekend.

mada999

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That's a dangerous path to tread though... footballers are already so removed from the common man, and having them shadowed 24/7 by bodyguards only increases that. Also I'm sure the players would hate it. Sure, you could reserve it for match days or something, but that defeats the purpose.

Unless there are actual threats or something that requires further action, just let them try to be as normal as they can.

ah I dont mean 24/7 but i mean getting to the ground and getting home...

ricero

Was listening to Dunphys premeir league preview podcast today and bitter Didi was back again in all his glory.

Does not fancy our chances this year due to the club losing the last 3 finals. Klopp really pissed in his chips when he didnt offer him a coaching role.

garra

ricero wrote: »

Was listening to Dunphys premeir league preview podcast today and bitter Didi was back again in all his glory.

Does not fancy our chances this year due to the club losing the last 3 finals. Klopp really pissed in his chips when he didnt offer him a coaching role.

Crikey not another bitter ex-player, mind you he didn't spit on anyone!!!!

Actually prefer the media (and especially ex players) to keep down-playing our chances instead of ramping up expectations this year.

Gbear

Over 6 games, I'm not worried about getting out of our group, irrespective of who's in it.

I do hope we get Real though.

Talisman

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Just assume everyone is being facetious. It's safer. That and scarastic.

For a second there I read that as scartastic and thought it was some reference to the kitten fight about TAA.

The tricks a sleep deprived mind plays on you!

5starpool

Gbear wrote: »

Over 6 games, I'm not worried about getting out of our group, irrespective of who's in it.

I do hope we get Real though.

Why not want to increase your chances of a better draw though? We could get a tough draw either way, but better chance of an easier one if we are second seeds. If we get a tough draw we would still have a good chance of progressing, but I'd prefer an easier draw.

citytillidie

5starpool wrote: »

Why not want to increase your chances of a better draw though? We could get a tough draw either way, but better chance of an easier one if we are second seeds. If we get a tough draw we would still have a good chance of progressing, but I'd prefer an easier draw.

As it stands before the playoff round

If in pot 3
Worst case
Real/Barca/Juve
Dortmund
Liverpool
Valencia/Inter

Best case
Lokomotiv Moscow
Benfica
Liverpool
AEK Athens/Young Boys

If in pot 2
Worst case
Real/Barca/Juve
Liverpool
Monaco
Valencia/inter

Best case
Lokomtiv Moscow
Liverpool
Salzburg
AEK Athens/Young Boys

Gbear

5starpool wrote: »

Why not want to increase your chances of a better draw though? We could get a tough draw either way, but better chance of an easier one if we are second seeds. If we get a tough draw we would still have a good chance of progressing, but I'd prefer an easier draw.

I have total confidence in getting through. It may as well be 100% as far as I'm concerned.

Also, the better the group, the weaker the knockout stages become. Groups of death thin out the competition.

MarkY91

We will progress from any group no doubt but I'd prefer an easy group so players can be rested assuming we have the group done and dusted by the 4th game. Any chance to rest key players is a huge plus.

Talisman

5starpool wrote: »

Why not want to increase your chances of a better draw though? We could get a tough draw either way, but better chance of an easier one if we are second seeds. If we get a tough draw we would still have a good chance of progressing, but I'd prefer an easier draw.

Why make it easier on the teams in Pot 2?

Pot 2: Dortmund, Porto, Shakhtar, Benfica, Napoli, Roma

Dortmund, Porto and Roma were eliminated in the Europa League and Champions League under Klopp. None of them will fancy the prospect of facing a competitive Liverpool.

5starpool

Gbear wrote: »

I have total confidence in getting through. It may as well be 100% as far as I'm concerned.

Also, the better the group, the weaker the knockout stages become. Groups of death thin out the competition.

So if we get knocked out of a group featuring Real, Dortmund and Inter you'd think it was a massive failure? We'd be favourites to go through, but would hardly be a massive shock if we didn't.

Talisman wrote: »

Why make it easier on the teams in Pot 2?

Pot 2: Dortmund, Porto, Shakhtar, Benfica, Napoli, Roma

Dortmund, Porto and Roma were eliminated in the Europa League and Champions League under Klopp. None of them will fancy the prospect of facing a competitive Liverpool.

I don't think any club will fancy the prospect (in terms of them winning, rather than for the occasion), but that doesn't mean it isn't in our best interests to be playing lesser stature clubs if possible early on.

Seems only logical to me.

Gbear

5starpool wrote: »

So if we get knocked out of a group featuring Real, Dortmund and Inter you'd think it was a massive failure? We'd be favourites to go through, but would hardly be a massive shock if we didn't.

Yes. We're a level above Inter and Dortmund. I'd expect a minimum of 8 pts against them. It would be really poor not to get out.

Unless there was some mad shenanigans like we get players sent off every game, or whatever, or an injury crisis, I would expect us to top any group that doesn't have Real, Juventus, Barca or Bayern in it, and at least finish second otherwise, while still being confident of being able to deal with them and finish ahead of them.

I think we've a much better chance of winning the CL than the PL.

daheff

ricero wrote: »

Does not fancy our chances this year due to the club losing the last 3 finals.

In fairness to Didi....there is something about Klopp losing finals. He doesnt have a great record....so the sooner he fixes that record the better!

TitianGerm

daheff wrote: »

In fairness to Didi....there is something about Klopp losing finals. He doesnt have a great record....so the sooner he fixes that record the better!

How many of those lost finals has he been the favourite to win though?

murpho999

daheff wrote: »

In fairness to Didi....there is something about Klopp losing finals. He doesnt have a great record....so the sooner he fixes that record the better!

How would losing a few cup finals have any bearing on a league campaign?

rob316

To be fair he and his teams have been massive underdogs in each final.
Man City far better at the time, Sevilla going for 3 in a row, Madrid going for 3 in a row.

Klopp needs to win something this season, but I wouldn't shoot him over those 3 finals.

Potential Underachiever

Even winning the Rumbelows Cup this year would be nice, just to get the monkey off our back about losing finals and not winning anything in general.

MD1990

rob316 wrote: »

To be fair he and his teams have been massive underdogs in each final.
Man City far better at the time, Sevilla going for 3 in a row, Madrid going for 3 in a row.

Klopp needs to win something this season, but I wouldn't shoot him over those 3 finals.

We were favourites for that game after beating Man Utd,Dortmund & Villarreal on the way to the final.

Potential Underachiever

rob316 wrote: »

To be fair he and his teams have been massive underdogs in each final.
Man City far better at the time, Sevilla going for 3 in a row, Madrid going for 3 in a row.

Klopp needs to win something this season, but I wouldn't shoot him over those 3 finals.

I doubt we were massive underdogs for the Sevilla match were we? I'd be curious if anyone knew the betting for it.

.....and a goal up at halftime iirc

Potential Underachiever

Augeo wrote: »

.....and a goal up at halftime iirc

And in complete control, then Moreno.

Potential Underachiever

We've had the Karius Final and the Moreno final, I much preferred when he had the Gerrard final! Let's hope our next final will have a positive name put on it!

rob316

MD1990 wrote: »

We were favourites for that game after beating Man Utd,Dortmund & Villarreal on the way to the final.

I didn't have us as anyway. I thought we could win it, but I also thought the experience and balanced team gave Sevilla the edge.

And how could a defence of Mignolet, Lovren, Moreno and Toure be considered a favourite?

rob316

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

We've had the Karius Final and the Moreno final, I much preferred when he had the Gerrard final! Let's hope our next final will have a positive name put on it!

We also had the Mignolet.

MD1990

rob316 wrote: »

I didn't have us as anyway. I thought we could win it, but I also thought the experience and balanced team gave Sevilla the edge.

And how could a defence of Mignolet, Lovren, Moreno and Toure be considered a favourite?

Sevilla were average that season.

Finished 7th in La Liga & didn't win an away game all season. They always have a high turnover of players every season.

I remember the first 10 mins both teams were very nervous & could barely string a pass together.

The mistake for 1-1 killed us we never recovered mentally or physically after that.

There has been great merit in Liverpool's passage to the final which has seen Jurgen Klopp's men defeat Manchester United, Borussia Dortmund and Villarreal and the Reds are the favourites in Basel, despite facing the side which has won this competition for the last two years. Paddy Power offer the Premier League side at 7/5 (2.40) to win in 90 minutes and at 4/6 (1.65) to lift the trophy, while Sevilla can be backed at 21/10 (3.10) to win without extra time and at 6/5 (2.20) to lift the trophy for the fourth time in ten years.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/2994/betting/2016/05/18/23644762/liverpool-v-sevilla-betting-entertaining-europa-league-final

Knex*

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

We've had the Karius Final and the Moreno final, I much preferred when he had the Gerrard final! Let's hope our next final will have a positive name put on it!

We've had two Gerrard finals. The FA cup in 06 he was at it again.

The Owen FA Cup final and Gary Macca in the Uefa Cup spring to mind too.

rob316

MD1990 wrote: »

Sevilla were average that season.

Finished 7th in La Liga & didn't win an away game all season. They always have a high turnover of players every season.

I remember the first 10 mins both teams were very nervous & could barely string a pass together.

The mistake for 1-1 killed us we never recovered mentally or physically after that.

That was the experience, they had been there before, we hadn't. A team that won it twice in a row, would have to be favourites?

The Europa league was a very high level that season, we had about the toughest route to the final.

Fitz*

To be fair, in a lot of those Klopp finals, he has had massive strokes of bad luck.

2018: Karius howlers, coupled with injuries pre game & Salah in-game
2016: Capitulation against Sevilla from Moreno, coupled with the the awful refereeing decisions at 1-0
2016: Lost on penalties to a much better Man City team, with added goalkeeping error.

From the top of my head, at Dortmund

2013: Injuries to big players / opposition announcing they are signing your main man. Lost to a last minute final. Massive underdogs.

There was another couple of final losses to Bayern while being underdogs and last minute goals / extra time defeats iirc.

Agent Coulson

The big difference between Klopp losing finals in Germany and even at Liverpool upto last season's Champions League final was he usually had to sell his best players after those finals.


This season FSG backed their manager and signed his star players to long term contracts and gave him money to go out and buy the players he wanted.


Now his Liverpool won't be underdogs.

gimli2112

Well they may still be underdogs but not as much as the 2005 team that started with Traore. Kewell and bless him Baros.

Just looking at the line ups I'd forgotten how strong AC Milan were. Maldini, Stam, Shevenchenko (pre-Chelsea), Crespo. Pirlo, Kaka, Seedorf, Gattuso, Nesta and Cafu.

We'd never have won that game on paper.

marklazarcovic

I want Madrid bad, I want salah v Ramos bad,I want mane and Bobby kick him in the nuts if he's on the ground. I'm petty about it,idgaf.

Love if we crushed them.

corwill

Knex. wrote: »

The Owen FA Cup final...

I Iike to refer to it as the Henchoz fly-goalie final, in conversation with gooners. Interesting rules experiment for a final, but we can all agree it worked well.

rossie1977

Not sure why Liverpool were favourites for that match considering they themselves finished 8th, Klopp didn't sign anyone so was working with Rodgers squad and Sevilla were going for three Europa Leagues in a row. I suppose beating Man Utd and Dortmund raised their profile.

Big changes on the Liverpool squad in the 2 years since then.

22 Mignolet
2 Clyne
6 Lovren
4 K Toure
18 Moreno
7 Milner
23 Can
20 Lallana
11 Roberto Firmino
10 Coutinho
15 Sturridge

Substitutes

9 Benteke
14 Henderson
21 Leiva
24 Allen
27 Origi
37 Skrtel
52 Ward