Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

FitzShane

FitzShane wrote: »

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I hope that p***k is happy with what he has stated. He has got the snowball rolling. ...............

lol, will ya stop. Every soccer player faces the same challenges, Karius provides the snow for the snowball you refer to.

Thud

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

So a US brain specialist who no doubt spent 5-10 years of his life studying and training etc and now earns in excess of $500,000 a year agreed to fake the concussion diagnosis in order to potentially save FSG a few quid.

Really?

A few quid could be millions for FSG, they are a business after all. Doing this test cost them nothing. If I was FSG I'd have asked him to do it...with my friendly Boston doctor too.

Anyone who has ever headed a ball will show positives for brain tissue damage on some concussion tests. Some tests are verbal "yes I have headaches, light hurts my eyes etc etc". It was 25 out of 30 tests he failed.

Several highly paid doctors also sign off on sports stars being asthmatic so they can use an inhalers...just because they went to med school doesn't make them saints.

Harry Palmr

More unclickable quotes from the Echo

Harry Wilson set for new Liverpool contract - and he's determined to impress Jurgen Klopp

Harry Wilson is determined to force his way into Jurgen Klopp's plans for this season as Liverpool look to reward his eye-catching progress with a new contract.

The 21-year-old winger is set to pen an extension on improved terms after making a flying start to pre-season.

Liverpool have rejected a fresh approach from Celtic to take him on loan with a dozen similar offers from Championship clubs also on the table.

Klopp is in no rush to make a decision with Wilson given the opportunity to shine in the friendly fixtures. The youngster would love to stay put and prove he can deliver for the Reds in the Premier League this season.

“The dream of mine is to play regularly for Liverpool's first team,” Wilson said.

“At the moment I am getting the chance to train at Melwood and get minutes in the friendlies and my aim is to impress the manager and stay here. If that's not possible then we will weigh up the options and go from there.

Wilson was a prolific goal scorer in the youth ranks and he believes his stint at Hull in the second half of last season showed that he can transfer that form to the big stage.

He scored seven goals in 13 games as the Tigers pulled away from the Championship drop zone.

“It was what I needed – a lot of minutes in a competitive league. What I achieved while I was at Hull has given me a lot of confidence coming back to Liverpool,” he added

Also Talksport story about wandering forward Taiwo Awoniyi staying at Liverpool but looks like going out on a two year loan to Monaco which will be a definite step up for him.

Mr.H

yourdeadwright wrote:

Schmeichel and Pope are simply better goalkeepers than Karius but still not the level required, Butland is level with Karius and I wouldn't touch him

See this is the stuff im talking about. You really think pope and schmeichel are better than karius? Thats nuts. Both keepers play in defensive teams so obviously are protected more.

I keep saying this and i will keep saying it. The issue is not that anyone here thinks karius is good enough. Nobody thinks that. We do however say that we cant just replace him for the sake of it. We all want a better keeper but for some reason or another we dont appear to be getting one. The next best thing are keepers named above and they arent good enough. So why replace karius with a 30 million version of himself?

Nobody said he is good enough. But if klopp wants him as number one we need to stop booing him and support the team. Its not a victory to see him mess up. It doesnt make you an expert to call the fact he will mess up. We all know he could. You are not being any more tactically eyed than anyone else.

Dp you guys really think by repeating yourselves that it will change klopps mind?

If/when karius starts in the first game then thats it. We dont get another chance to replace him until january.

As for the stupid idea that ward is any better!!!!!!!

Agent Coulson

Hope for Belgium to win the World Cup and Madrid to buy Courtois and Hazard.

Courtois wants to move back to Madrid and being the World Cup winning keeper should be Galactico enough for Madrid to buy.


That will then set the goalkeeper merry go round starting and also get Hazard out of Chelsea.

Vicxas

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hope for Belgium to win the World Cup and Madrid to buy Courtois and Hazard.

Courtois wants to move back to Madrid and being the World Cup winning keeper should be Galactico enough for Madrid to buy.


That will then set the goalkeeper merry go round starting and also get Hazard out of Chelsea.

I do enjoy a good player Merry-go-round

yourdeadwright

Mr.H wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote:

Schmeichel and Pope are simply better goalkeepers than Karius but still not the level required, Butland is level with Karius and I wouldn't touch him

See this is the stuff im talking about. You really think pope and schmeichel are better than karius? Thats nuts. Both keepers play in defensive teams so obviously are protected more.

I keep saying this and i will keep saying it. The issue is not that anyone here thinks karius is good enough. Nobody thinks that. We do however say that we cant just replace him for the sake of it. We all want a better keeper but for some reason or another we dont appear to be getting one. The next best thing are keepers named above and they arent good enough. So why replace karius with a 30 million version of himself?

Nobody said he is good enough. But if klopp wants him as number one we need to stop booing him and support the team. Its not a victory to see him mess up. It doesnt make you an expert to call the fact he will mess up. We all know he could. You are not being any more tactically eyed than anyone else.

Dp you guys really think by repeating yourselves that it will change klopps mind?

If/when karius starts in the first game then thats it. We dont get another chance to replace him until january.

As for the stupid idea that ward is any better!!!!!!!

No its not nuts at all ,
Protection has ZERO got to do with why Karius is crap ,
He kicked a goal kick out for a F*cking corner, he threw a ball to Benzema who was 5 feet away, He is always miss controlling back passes and delaying kicks that get himself in trouble, he is just plain awful at making decisions ,
What has protection got do with it ?
Pope and Schmeichel have proven to be better keepers I can't see how that can even be argued,
Are they good enough for Liverpool  ? possibley Not .
Are they better than Karius every day of the week,

mosstin

FitzShane wrote: »

The di**head fans that we have are going to ruin his life.

What good came out of the lad who rewound back the pre-match build up on LFCTV of a pre-season game while a World Cup game was taking place, just for the sole purpose of recording Karius making a mistake during a warm up? (anyways, isn't that what a warm up is for - to get a feel of the ball etc, make your mistakes there as opposed to during the game). Just so he could have a go at him and pretend like he is performing some duty for us or something.

That Liverpool 'fan' is trying to purposely affect Karius and turn all fans against him, making it a toxic atmosphere towards him, and the players & management in general.

Every single little thing Karius does now is going to be scrutinized to the max. 'He should be one foot to the left there', 'he should have caught not punched, 'he should not have posted that one word extra in an instragam post', 'he didn't jump high enough' and so on and on.

It doesn't matter one jot anymore if Karius has any good games as any one tiny mistake, whether it results in a goal or not, will be magnified 1000% and turned into this massive thing. No one will magnify the good games at all now.

I hope that p***k is happy with what he has stated. He has got the snowball rolling. It's only going to get worse from here on out. Gary Neville & the rest on MNF are already making a piece on him as we speak for defo, just waiting for an opportunity to hammer him so more.

It already is. He signed up for it when he transferred to us. We wouldn't be discussing him as much in this thread if there weren't serious misgivings about the lad's mentality/ability. We can all see an extremely impressive squad being built in the past couple of seasons and it's entirely justifiable based on the evidence to date to be somewhat put out at the prospect of all of that squad building being undermined by a keeper who really doesn't seem up to the job.



We wouldn't have "dickheads" posting **** on the internet etc if he looked like someone who was up to the job. He isn't, others disagree but do we really want to be starting what promises to be a very exciting season with Karius between the sticks? Jaysus, I sincerely hope not.

RugbyLover123

Mr.H wrote: »

Anyone who thinks butland schmeichel or pope are better than karius are equally as deluded.

I don't get this. I've seen little of Pope and Butland tbh to give a solid opinion on them, but have seen Schmeichel quite a bit over the last few seasons and even live.

I think he would be a fairly big upgrade on Karius. I haven't seen him make any noticeable mistakes (could be wrong though), yet I've seen him make some great saves keeping Leicester in games. Seems like a winner too and an annoying f***** to play against which we could do with. He's also played in a PL winning team and fought relegation so has experience of being overloaded and in dominant teams.

I've seen Karius do 2 things I've never seen before. A kick out for a corner and throwing it into an opposition player for a goal. No excuses. All for one worldie save against Newcastle.

If we bought Schmeichel for under £30m tomorrow I'd be delighted.

Fitz*

Augeo wrote: »

lol, will ya stop. Every soccer player faces the same challenges, Karius provides the snow for the snowball you refer to.

How many soccer players do you know of that had their warm up scrutinized from a pre-season friendly match?

Nerdlingr

Mr.H wrote: »

See this is the stuff im talking about. You really think pope and schmeichel are better than karius? Thats nuts. Both keepers play in defensive teams so obviously are protected more.

I keep saying this and i will keep saying it. The issue is not that anyone here thinks karius is good enough. Nobody thinks that. We do however say that we cant just replace him for the sake of it. We all want a better keeper but for some reason or another we dont appear to be getting one. The next best thing are keepers named above and they arent good enough. So why replace karius with a 30 million version of himself?

Nobody said he is good enough. But if klopp wants him as number one we need to stop booing him and support the team. Its not a victory to see him mess up. It doesnt make you an expert to call the fact he will mess up. We all know he could. You are not being any more tactically eyed than anyone else.

Dp you guys really think by repeating yourselves that it will change klopps mind?

If/when karius starts in the first game then thats it. We dont get another chance to replace him until january.

As for the stupid idea that ward is any better!!!!!!!

Whats stupid about that? The was excellent for Huddersfield when they got promoted.
This 'protection' argument is rubbish. If anything defensive teams invite more pressure onto them. Of the two you mentioned who are supposedly more 'protected'... Schmeichel faced 142 shots on goal last year, Pope 150.....
How many did Karius face??? 45.

His stats if you look into them are terrible.

We all know keepers make mistakes. its par for the course. But its the type of mistakes Karius makes that can turn a crowd against you. He really has made abysmal errors, not even schollboy stuff, non even sunday league calibre...below that. Sure we'll support him when/if he togs out as our no.1, we have no option. But we're all well aware he's just another brainfart moment away from another monumental f*ckup.
The real question you want to ask yourself about your goalkeeper is :

Can you rely on him?
In karius' case. Absolutely not.

yourdeadwright

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Mr.H wrote: »

See this is the stuff im talking about. You really think pope and schmeichel are better than karius? Thats nuts. Both keepers play in defensive teams so obviously are protected more.

I keep saying this and i will keep saying it. The issue is not that anyone here thinks karius is good enough. Nobody thinks that. We do however say that we cant just replace him for the sake of it. We all want a better keeper but for some reason or another we dont appear to be getting one. The next best thing are keepers named above and they arent good enough. So why replace karius with a 30 million version of himself?

Nobody said he is good enough. But if klopp wants him as number one we need to stop booing him and support the team. Its not a victory to see him mess up. It doesnt make you an expert to call the fact he will mess up. We all know he could. You are not being any more tactically eyed than anyone else.

Dp you guys really think by repeating yourselves that it will change klopps mind?

If/when karius starts in the first game then thats it. We dont get another chance to replace him until january.

As for the stupid idea that ward is any better!!!!!!!

Whats stupid about that? The was excellent for Huddersfield when they got promoted.
This 'protection' argument is rubbish. If anything defensive teams invite more pressure onto them. Of the two you mentioned who are supposedly more 'protected'... Schmeichel faced 142 shots on goal last year, Pope 150.....
How many did Karius face??? 45.

His stats if you look into them are terrible.

We all know keepers make mistakes. its par for the course. But its the type of mistakes Karius makes that can turn a crowd against you. He really has made abysmal errors, not even schollboy stuff, non even sunday league calibre...below that. Sure we'll support him when/if he togs out as our no.1, we have no option. But we're all well aware he's just another brainfart moment away from another monumental f*ckup.
The real question you want to ask yourself about your goalkeeper is :

Can we rely on him?
In karius' case. Absolutely not.

This is it ,
He is a below average keeper who also makes absolute howlers  .

BorneTobyWilde

Going on a long time now, but will we replace Suarez this summer. Would love a striker in squad. If Salah is a one season wonder we're screwed.

BorneTobyWilde

Boris Johnson resigns, more in and outs than football. Liverpool have such harmony in the squad and club, we're lucky.

Gbear

I think the main problem with Schmeichel is that whether or not he's better than Karius is largely academic.

He's already 31 and you're looking at probably 40m+ for him. Even for keepers, most aren't still playing at the same level until they're 40. He's not a serious long term upgrade and at that price there's no value in it.

Alisson, Courtois and Oblak are all around 6-7 years younger, Donnarumma's 12, so even if they're twice the price or more, given the potential to be better as well, they're much better value.

I also think if a keeper comes straight in after the Champions League final, they're not under less pressure, because the bar has been set so low. They're under more pressure, because there's more scrutiny on their position. I don't think we're a particularly healthy team to be a goalkeeper for at the moment.

If we can't get someone in, ideally, Karius has a decent season, rehabilitates himself a bit, and then there's less fanfare when he's replaced next summer, and we've a credible number 2 for a season, who doesn't lose as much face because he has something to stand over, and can get a decent move away afterwards that suits all parties.

I can't say I'm particularly confident in Karius, but before the CL, he'd largely stopped being an issue of concern for me. I didn't consider him a ticking timebomb, just waiting to throw one in. He's pretty much literally done that now, but hopefully with a bit of time he can at least get back to where he's not a going concern.

Harry Palmr

You can tell there's nothing better to talk about can't you?!

brevity

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You can tell there's nothing better to talk about can't you?!

I blame the heat.

Muahahaha

FitzShane wrote: »

How many soccer players do you know of that had their warm up scrutinized from a pre-season friendly match?

All pro footballers are under scrutiny all the time. I dont agree with the tabloid sh1te they suffer but if they are on the pitch then people have paid money to watch them and are entitled to voice their opinion. Karius let a soft shot slip through his hands and you are advocating that fans should cover that fact up. Id rather know about it than have my head stuck in the sand to be honest.

I dont think there is much else to say about Karius really. Except to say that there is no way I can see us winning the league while he is No.1. What worries me further is that Klopp is only signed up for three more seasons, after that he has promised the wife he will take a year off. If we are to win a title under Klopp then the GK position needs to be sorted out as a matter of urgency imo. My fear is that when Klopp leaves Liverpool we wont be able to replace his calibre and we could then find ourselves further away from winning a title as ever.

FitzShane

FitzShane wrote: »

How many soccer players do you know of that had their warm up scrutinized from a pre-season friendly match?

Oh it must be a 100% literal comparison.
Do we then need to take into account it was a nobody on twitter doing the scrutiny?

DrumSteve

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Going on a long time now, but will we replace Suarez this summer. Would love a striker in squad. If Salah is a one season wonder we're screwed.

What year is this?

Seriously though, Who could you get to come in at that level to play second fiddle to the front 3?

gimli2112

FitzShane wrote: »

How many soccer players do you know of that had their warm up scrutinized from a pre-season friendly match?

In fairness it was comical. Mellor being interviewed and behind him the ball bobbles through Karius' legs into the net.

ERG89

gimli2112 wrote:

In fairness it was comical. Mellor being interviewed and behind him the ball bobbles through Karius' legs into the net.

It's the cameraman's fault for putting all that unnecessary pressure on Karius.

54and56

Thud wrote: »

A few quid could be millions for FSG, they are a business after all. Doing this test cost them nothing. If I was FSG I'd have asked him to do it...with my friendly Boston doctor too.

Anyone who has ever headed a ball will show positives for brain tissue damage on some concussion tests. Some tests are verbal "yes I have headaches, light hurts my eyes etc etc". It was 25 out of 30 tests he failed.

Several highly paid doctors also sign off on sports stars being asthmatic so they can use an inhalers...just because they went to med school doesn't make them saints.

Sounds like you're not only an expert on concussion but you're also judge and jury turning your own hypothesis about how a highly respected brain specialist deliberately falsified a diagnosis so FSG could potentially mitigate losses on the future sale of Karius into fact regardless of the absence of any evidence in support of your claim.

Fair play, we need more people thinking like you.

AndyBoBandy

The new 3rd kit that was apparently leaked today is nice indeed, a throwback to the grey Candy from circa 89-91

Riesen_Meal

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The new 3rd kit that was apparently leaked today is nice indeed, a throwback to the grey Candy from circa 89-91

This one?

Gbear

Mank.

martyos121

Gbear wrote: »

Mank.

No, Mané.

robwen

2 Dutch guys running around a field

Muahahaha

robwen wrote: »

2 Dutch guys running around a field

Lol I love those videos and thanks for posting them but on this one watching two Dutch lads on a slow jog around the pitch and getting their ears checked for four minutes was a bit much Its a heavy dose of pre-season-itis

Gbear

Gbear wrote: »

Mank.

Oh manké manké

murpho999

Muahahaha wrote: »

Lol I love those videos and thanks for posting them but on this one watching two Dutch lads on a slow jog around the pitch and getting their ears checked for four minutes was a bit much Its a heavy dose of pre-season-itis

I think Klopp's hugs and laugh make it all worthwhile.

SM01

Kirby wrote: »

Gbear wrote: »

A player gets elbowed in the head and then a medical professional tests them and says they have concussion, but it's really a conspiracy to protect a keeper Klopp doesn't even really seem to want.

Are you a boxing or MMA fan by any chance? If you were then you would be a lot more skeptical at paid medical professionals proffering an opinion that just so happens to absolve an athlete of wrongdoing.

I'd believe that story as far as I can throw it. He exhibited zero signs during the game itself. It's damage control.

This is just conspiracy theory rubbish. And yes, I enjoy MMA and boxing. Do a bit of Muay Thai too and have seen friends who have just competed behave out of character after a fight.

Look unless there's a smoking gun that casts serious doubt on the doctor's legally binding opinion, this should be put to rest.

Thud

SM01 wrote: »

Look unless there's a smoking gun that casts serious doubt on the doctor's legally binding opinion, this should be put to rest.

How is it legally binding, no chance it will ever be relied upon for anything other than to take the dirty look off his CL final performance?

SM01

SM01 wrote: »

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Look unless there's a smoking gun that casts serious doubt on the doctor's legally binding opinion, this should be put to rest.

Indeed, while being mindful of what their opinion was.....

“At the time of our evaluation, Mr. Karius’s principal residual symptoms and objective signs suggested that visual spatial dysfunction existed and likely occurred immediately following the event,” the statement said.

“Additional symptomatic and objectively noted areas of dysfunction also persisted. It could be possible that such deficits would affect performance.”

The second bolded piece is less than an emphatic claim that his performance was actually effected IMO .......... the two howlers aside he didn't seem different to usual so the two howlers could simply be two howlers.

sideswipe

Can't believe people are still debating the whole Karius debacle. For me regardless of his dubious ability as a goalkeeper he doesn't deserve to be Liverpool's number one based on that video of himself in LA that he posted. I think it's quite telling what type of character he is. After the mistakes he made in the CL final and then the whole 'concussion gate' episode you'd imagine he'd get his head down and concentrate on saving his career rather than drawing attention to himself in such a cringy manner.

5starpool

sideswipe wrote: »

Can't believe people are still debating the whole Karius debacle. For me regardless of his dubious ability as a goalkeeper he doesn't deserve to be Liverpool's number one based on that video of himself in LA that he posted. I think it's quite telling what type of character he is. After the mistakes he made in the CL final and then the whole 'concussion gate' episode you'd imagine he'd get his head down and concentrate on saving his career rather than drawing attention to himself in such a cringy manner.

This is a silly post. He's entitled to do that type of thing on his own time when on holiday.

TitianGerm

sideswipe wrote: »

Can't believe people are still debating the whole Karius debacle. For me regardless of his dubious ability as a goalkeeper he doesn't deserve to be Liverpool's number one based on that video of himself in LA that he posted. I think it's quite telling what type of character he is. After the mistakes he made in the CL final and then the whole 'concussion gate' episode you'd imagine he'd get his head down and concentrate on saving his career rather than drawing attention to himself in such a cringy manner.

I think you just won "Stupidest Post Of The Thread" award.

Better hope your boss doesn't see this or he might fire you because you don't deserve to work for him because of a silly post.

Potential Underachiever

Karius pulled off some decent saves in the CL final after the collision with Ramos, so maybe he was actually concussed!

The gloss is slightly taken off the Fabinho and Keita arrivals by still having the GK issue, I'm not sure it's an easy problem to fix though, there does seem to be a lack of top quality definite upgrades out there. No thanks to the likes of Butland and Pope, Schmeichel might be a slight upgrade. Then of the big names we've been linked to Alisson has looked pretty average in the 5 or 6 games I've saw of him and I know f all about Oblak. After that I don't know where to look, so it's likely we will stick with Karius, just hope he's got the mentality to forget about the CL final even though his every move will be scrutinised intensely, I do have my doubts though.

Also it would be nice to sign another CB, we're reliant on VVD so much that if he's crocked we're back to a Lovren, Matip/Klavan and Karius, that doesn't inspire confidence tbh.

sideswipe

TitianGerm wrote: »

I think you just won "Stupidest Post Of The Thread" award.

Better hope your boss doesn't see this or he might fire you because you don't deserve to work for him because of a silly post.

Don't worry about me, I am the boss:)

sideswipe

5starpool wrote: »

This is a silly post. He's entitled to do that type of thing on his own time when on holiday.

Didn't say he wasn't entitled to do it....I said it shows the type of character he is.
Not to take the LA thing in isolation either, there have been a couple of ex players who have questioned his focus and his 'flash harry' tendencies.

davyboy1975

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/juventus-forward-paulo-dybala-not-14888628.amp

Bad news pearce strikes again, although this was probably unrealistic anyway

shamrock55

Arsenal got Leno,I'd love for us to go in for fahrmann,he wouldn't cost the earth and would be a massive upgrade on karius

razorblunt

sideswipe wrote: »

Didn't say he wasn't entitled to do it....I said it shows the type of character he is.
Not to take the LA thing in isolation either, there have been a couple of ex players who have questioned his focus and his 'flash harry' tendencies.

Are you counting Mark Lawrenson's gripe about his personalised licence plate?

martyos121

shamrock55 wrote: »

Arsenal got Leno,I'd love for us to go in for fahrmann,he wouldn't cost the earth and would be a massive upgrade on karius

Thought you didn’t watch any team other than Liverpool, so how would you know Fahrmann is the answer?

shamrock55

martyos121 wrote: »

Thought you didn’t watch any team other than Liverpool, so how would you know Fahrmann is the answer?

I'm a closet schalke fan

Agent Coulson

Paul Joyce reporting Harry Wilson to sign a new contract and then likely to go out on loan with 12 and more teams showing interesting in signing him.


Basically every team in the Championship.

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Paul Joyce reporting Harry Wilson to sign a new contract and then likely to go out on loan with 12 and more teams showing interesting in signing him.


Basically every team in the Championship.

Why don't we loan someone like Wilson to teams in the PL? Surely then we're in a position to tell if they're going to make the grade.

Agent Coulson

mosstin wrote: »

Why don't we loan someone like Wilson to teams in the PL? Surely then we're in a position to tell if they're going to make the grade.

PL club probably won't guarantee game time.

Wilson and Grujic had it in there contract last season if they didn't play 90% of games or something that the loan club would have to pay a penalty fee.

yourdeadwright

Wilson won't make it here if he is sent on loan, He will be 22 this season , It's now or never

Fitz*

Wilson isn't making it at Liverpool, but this loan to a top Championship team will help him a lot of the way of playing at the highest level possible. Whether it is at a lower league PL club or a top end Championship club is up in the air. These loans will help maximize his future, inevitable, sale value.