Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Mr.H

murpho999 wrote: »

Looks like Fekir is definitely not happening now.

Same was said about Alisson on Monday

Dickerty

Vicxas wrote: »

I hate you so much right now.

That'll be in your head all day!

I love that my kids (as young as 3) know that song and have no idea of it's ancient source!

billymitchell

So with the Allison deal nearly done, who do we keep as our backup? Cant imagine Mig will stay around, so it would seem to be between Ward and Karius. Both must surely feel that they will have little chance now of first team action bar the carling cup, so be interesting to see which one will be happiest to play 2nd fiddle. For me, I think Ward will be the one likely to stay with Karius moving on.

Vicxas

billymitchell wrote: »

So with the Allison deal nearly done, who do we keep as our backup? Cant imagine Mig will stay around, so it would seem to be between Ward and Karius. Both must surely feel that they will have little chance now of first team action bar the carling cup, so be interesting to see which one will be happiest to play 2nd fiddle. For me, I think Ward will be the one likely to stay with Karius moving on.

Reckon it'll be Ward, Karius will be shipped out on loan to get his confidence back.

billymitchell

Vicxas wrote: »

Reckon it'll be Ward, Karius will be shipped out on loan to get his confidence back.

That would probably be the right thing to do, get him out of the spotlight at Liverpool. Maybe some premier league team would take a punt on him. If you ignore the howlers , he did keep a lot of clean sheets last year. Surely some team would look at that and be interested in taking a punt on him.

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

Same was said about Alisson on Monday

And he'd not go for over 50m iirc

giveitholly

murpho999 wrote: »

Looks like Fekir is definitely not happening now.

So you mean he is definitely signing.......!

Dickerty

billymitchell wrote: »

That would probably be the right thing to do, get him out of the spotlight at Liverpool. Maybe some premier league team would take a punt on him. If you ignore the howlers , he did keep a lot of clean sheets last year. Surely some team would look at that and be interested in taking a punt on him.

Let's see which teams lose keepers - Roma just have, Chelsea might, the domino effect will create openings for both him and Migs...

OwaynOTT

Knex. wrote: »

There's legs to that..

Now that you're our goalkeeper
We'll be your long lost pal
We can call you Becker
Or Becker when you save us
We can call youuuu Al.....Alisson

Al, Al-isson!
Al, Al-isson!

Hopefully shaqiri can become our chubby chaser and lallana will stop being the boy in the bubble.

murpho999

Mr.H wrote: »

Same was said about Alisson on Monday

giveitholly wrote: »

So you mean he is definitely signing.......!

I know what you're saying but I think it's going to be up to Fekir to push Lyon to accept a new deal rather than Liverpool chasing it.

No sign of it happening yet.

OwaynOTT

Turtyturd wrote: »

Seen over on Reddit that some journalists are tweeting Alisson will be the last signing of the window.

FSG cheaping out again, time to get them out...you with me ricero?

That site really is an asset.

MD1990

Fulham would be a decent loan move for Karius.

They play a style of football that Karius would suit them. They would need a sweeper keeper.

Dickerty

MD1990 wrote: »

Fulham would be a decent loan move for Karius.

They play a style of football that Karius would suit them. They would need a sweeper keeper.

Is he a keeper that should be facing a lot of shots? I think he'd do better in a dominant team in a lesser league - Dutch, Portugese?

yourdeadwright

With OX out for the season, we really do need a Fekir like signing,
I don't trust Lallana not to get injured we need some one who can create from the middle of the park against the poorer teams,

citytillidie

SlickRic wrote: »

Ignore rival fans on this.

You must remember that no rival wants to see us improve. Any jibber jabber about us spending like oil tycoons is just covering up the fact that they're fúcking raging.

Also, bringing up Klopp quotes from years ago is lazy, stupid and pointless. He addressed that after the VVD signing. He doesn't like the fees but realises it's the reality.

And many of our fanbase took the píss out of the money spent on Pogba. It's how it is.

Just be safe in the knowledge that they would be saying nothing if we weren't a threat. In fact, they'd just be laughing. We're making moves to try and actively get to the next level.

Also, don't underestimate how miserable José makes some of them. I've met them. Many times. Most of my mates are Utd fans as they became football fans in the 90s. I've never seen them so miserable despite trophies. So they have to take a swipe somewhere.

Just enjoy what our club is doing.
Enjoy that they're trying to do what needs to be done.
Enjoy that it's making people uncomfortable.

Just enjoy.

Calling Klopp a hypocrite when they have one of the biggest hypocrites in football as their current manager

Boom_Bap

I am gutted for Ox, the lad made a pretty big decision to move to us, took a little time settling in and then started to show what he can do before he picked up that injury. Even in the welcome videos he's always knocking about and smiling. I think that he has found his home with us.

rob316

Hi praise indeed

Former Roma coach Roberto Negrisolo on Alisson :"I don't think many people have realised who Alisson is. This guy is a phenomenon. He is the number one of number ones. "He is the Messi of goalkeepers, because he has the same mentality as Messi. He is a goalkeeper who can define an era."

Dickerty

citytillidie wrote: »

Calling Klopp a hypocrite when they have one of the biggest hypocrites in football as their current manager

And the market changed fundamentally last summer, even after we signed Salah. Pogba's valuation triggered that somewhat, but it was only really seen last summer with the valuations for Arnautovic, Sigurdsson, Walker and Lukaku - all intra-PL moves.

yourdeadwright

Dickerty wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

Calling Klopp a hypocrite when they have one of the biggest hypocrites in football as their current manager

And the market changed fundamentally last summer, even after we signed Salah. Pogba's valuation triggered that somewhat, but it was only really seen last summer with the valuations for Arnautovic, Sigurdsson, Walker and Lukaku - all intra-PL moves.

United fans fail to realise it was there Club with the purchase of Pogba that changed football, Prices went through the roof because of that deal .

ricero

I still reckon we will get Fekir. Would make it a sensational transfer window.

Also time to trim the deadwood. If we could bring in 50 - 60 million from transfers out it would be great.

SlickRic

Dickerty wrote: »

And the market changed fundamentally last summer, even after we signed Salah. Pogba's valuation triggered that somewhat, but it was only really seen last summer with the valuations for Arnautovic, Sigurdsson, Walker and Lukaku - all intra-PL moves.

fees are ultimately meaningless in an era of ridiculous wealth.

we all take the p out of opposition teams for their fees, but it doesn't actually mean anything. it's monopoly money.

OwaynOTT

citytillidie wrote: »

Calling Klopp a hypocrite when they have one of the biggest hypocrites in football as their current manager

It's their hypocratic oath.


I know I know hippocratic

yourdeadwright

yourdeadwright wrote: »

With OX out for the season, we really do need a Fekir like signing,
I don't trust Lallana not to get injured we need some one who can create from the middle of the park against the poorer teams,

Ox isn't really super creative is he? Wij would be as creative and he's still in the squad. Neither are Coutinhoesque or course. Henderson an option too.
Surely Shaqiri can fight it out with Lallana worst case scenario with Wij also an option if no one else is brought in.

Dickerty

Augeo wrote: »

Ox isn't really super creative is he? Wij would be as creative and he's still in the squad. Neither are Coutinhoesque or course. Henderson an option too.
Surely Shaqiri can fight it out with Lallana worst case scenario with Wij also an option if no one else is brought in.

Not super creative on assists, Milner creates more, but he makes things happen. Gets into the box, breaks at speed, harasses opposition. So like Firmino 15 yards back.

Boom_Bap

Ox is key part of the fast breakaway, he was the speed in the middle who would generally release the ball to the wider players just after crossing the half way line. So he would have to have a view of what side 'looks' best to continue the fast breakaway, and if that option is not available, he would continue to drive by himself.
So it's a fairly important piece of the puzzle.
Gini does it to an extent, but would slow things down.

Henderson tried it but didn't have the image of what both flanks look like, he always favours the right.


He also had the sense that when the ball was lost in the attack to try win it back or get back tracking early.

Bowlardo

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Ox is key part of the fast breakaway, he was the speed in the middle who would generally release the ball to the wider players just after crossing the half way line. So he would have to have a view of what side 'looks' best to continue the fast breakaway, and if that option is not available, he would continue to drive by himself.
So it's a fairly important piece of the puzzle.
Gini does it to an extent, but would slow things down.

Henderson tried it but didn't have the image of what both flanks look like, he always favours the right.


He also had the sense that when the ball was lost in the attack to try win it back or get back tracking early.

Keita release the ball extremely quickly and the stats men (can't remember what its called) but  basically it how many players of the opposing team are taken out of the game by one pass.
Keita is the one of the best if not the best at this. 
example keita get that ball and plays a 30 yard ball to salah/firmino thus completely bypassing the opposition midfield (4 players)
Hendo would not be good at this as he usually passed back or side ways. 
Gini would may pass forward but only take one play out of the game
We are going to eat teams a live in europe this year as the majority of the teams are the dogs in their respective league so don't have any real need or practise at defending resolutlely- they probably don't have the personal
The catch will be where last year teams were kind of having a go because "We are dodgey at the back and dodgey keeper" we now should expect to see team to play is with 10 players behind the ball. This is where lallana might come in hand as he is a neat enough passer but ultimately we need another magician in the 10 role to big out the passes when we come up against these team. 
I think fabinho will always start against all the top six but we won't see him against the bottom six.
I think Gini will be Keita back up but that keita will play the majority of the league game
Hendo will play against all the middle team
We will most definitely see trent and Robertson becoming wingers for us for the majority of league games.
Clyne will get the nod for away games against the bigger teams
I think we are well covered but I think we will get Fekir and that will be us done.

DrumSteve

Strange no is talking about Sturridge as a back up for the cups and so forth.

I know his good days are not as often any more (and he's made from glass)but he can be useful.

Boom_Bap

I think that with Keita, he's not afraid to release the ball from our half on the break away and equally not afraid to carry it. So it will definitely cut out a pass or 2 and get us up the pitch quicker.

That would give Ox more freedom to get rallying up the pitch to be part of the top 3.
From a tactical point of view, this is very exciting.
And added bonus, with Becker being a fan of fast and accurate distribution, it stats things even quicker.




But, it's against the bus parkers that this wont work, I think that's where the like of Lallana, Gini and Fab are going to be needed.

davyboy1975

Ward off to leicester for 12 million apparently. His stint as number 1 didnt last long did it

Iused2likebusts

I think we might see a front 3 of shaqiri salah mane with firmino in the middle 3 at times.

Agent Coulson

Gini and Ings not in the squad for the game tonight.

elbyrneo

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Ward off to leicester for 12 million apparently. His stint as number 1 didnt last long did it

So Ward to Leicester, Kasper to Chelsea, Courtois to Real.....Mings surely will move leaving Karius as number 2 I guess. Unless someone bids for Karius (!) or he is loaned out, he could do with a change of scenery.

Could be a real merry go round in keeper transfer market.

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think that with Keita, he's not afraid to release the ball from our half on the break away and equally not afraid to carry it. So it will definitely cut out a pass or 2 and get us up the pitch quicker.

That would give Ox more freedom to get rallying up the pitch to be part of the top 3.
From a tactical point of view, this is very exciting.
And added bonus, with Becker being a fan of fast and accurate distribution, it stats things even quicker.



..............

Keita?

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Ward off to leicester for 12 million apparently. His stint as number 1 didnt last long did it

Where's Kasper off to so I wonder ......... we are likely keeping Karius so.

rob316

Augeo wrote: »

Keita?





Where's Kasper off to so I wonder ......... we are likely keeping Karius so.

Roma apparently!

Boom_Bap

Augeo wrote: »

Keita?

Yep, what we would normally see is


Keeper/Clearing Defender -> Hendo -> Ox -> Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


Instead we would see something like:
Becker/Clearing Defender -> Keita -> Ox/Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


So cutting out at least one pass/step through the already lightning paced counter.

Widdensushi

davyboy1975 wrote: »

Ward off to leicester for 12 million apparently. His stint as number 1 didnt last long did it

The wage bill for goalkeepers will have multiplied if he is the one going and we are keeping karius and mignolet

Widdensushi

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yep, what we would normally see is


Keeper/Clearing Defender -> Hendo -> Ox -> Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


Instead we would see something like:
Becker/Clearing Defender -> Keita -> Ox/Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


So cutting out at least one pass/step through the already lightning paced counter.

You mean keeper to salah GOAL

Vicxas

Ward off?

Thats not good, not good at all.

Wheety

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yep, what we would normally see is


Keeper/Clearing Defender -> Hendo -> Ox -> Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


Instead we would see something like:
Becker/Clearing Defender -> Keita -> Ox/Mane/Bobby/Salah -> Their Magic -> Goal


So cutting out at least one pass/step through the already lightning paced counter.

Well Ox is going to miss the whole season.

Sorry, i see you're saying that's how we were playing.

Agent Coulson

Vicxas wrote: »

Ward off?

Thats not good, not good at all.

Selling a lad who has never got a look in at the club in all his time there for £12m is a great bit of business.

Sappy404

Adam Bogdan to push Simon Mignolet to push Loris Karius to be Liverpool's #2 keeper.

GBX

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Selling a lad who has never got a look in at the club in all his time there for £12m is a great bit of business.

Superb business. He only cost £100,000!

citytillidie

citytillidie wrote: »

Calling Klopp a hypocrite when they have one of the biggest hypocrites in football as their current manager

It's kinda...

hypocritical...

Agent Coulson

£12m for Ward a 3rd choice keeper who hadn’t a future at the club.

Mig should command £16/18m maybe even £20m in this crazy transfer market.

That is nearly half the Alisson fee and their combined wages would also be a big chunk off his as well.

That would again be great Business by the club.

jasonb

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Gini and Ings not in the squad for the game tonight.

Ings is one thing, but do we know Gini's situation? Has he played at all yet?

Agent Coulson

Klopp has said Henderson & Lovren will miss the West Ham game.

Might be hard for both to break back into the team after missing the whole of pre season if we get off to a good start.

Agent Coulson

jasonb wrote: »

Ings is one thing, but do we know Gini's situation? Has he played at all yet?

Isn’t there transfer rumors about him going to Turkey?

He looks all smiley in the preseason press photos anyway.

Ste-

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Klopp has said Henderson & Lovren will miss the West Ham game.

Might be hard for both to break back into the team after missing the whole of pre season if we get off to a good start.

The best defender in the world will walk into any starting 11, ours included.

Utopia Parkway

We seem to be getting a bit better at selling barely used players.

That's 15M for Ibe.
6M for Brad Smith
12M for Ward

33M for the lot.

Obviously Markovic is still somehow immune to this.

Vicxas

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Isn’t there transfer rumors about him going to Turkey?

He looks all smiley in the preseason press photos anyway.

Yaha he was rumoured to be off to Fenerbache, but i cant figure out why he would?