Fallout 76

froog

honestly the bugs aren't that bad. i've seen tons of games with much worse launches than this. i've had 30 hours now and came across three bugs - that quest where you can't fix the token thingy (fixed now), some bulk aluminium i bought and never got and once my camp got messed up when i moved it (hasn't happened since). yeah the AI isn't great then again they are mindless ghouls or dumb mutants so im not expecting complex swat team maneuvers from them.

still having a blast. once you level up some cool perks and mod some weapons it's tons of fun looting and killing things.

truth is tons of people decided to hate on this as soon as the multiplayer was announced and the mob mentality kicked in then. lot of reviewers are scared to admit it's not actually that bad cause the mob will get them. it's not everyone's cup of tea and it's not your usual fallout game but no way is it as bad as all these raging youtubers make out.

madcabbage

Actually seeing it for €29 on CDKeys just now, crazy price to see it at already

The Specialist

froog wrote: »

truth is tons of people decided to hate on this as soon as the multiplayer was announced and the mob mentality kicked in then. lot of reviewers are scared to admit it's not actually that bad cause the mob will get them. it's not everyone's cup of tea and it's not your usual fallout game but no way is it as bad as all these raging youtubers make out.

It is actually THAT bad, but I understand some people might enjoy it (hell I'm sure there are sadists out there who even think Life of Black Tiger isn't "that" bad). As a fan of the series since the original Fallout, this is a disgraceful cash in on the name. An empty, soulless, boring broken mess of a game that has completely forgotten what the series is about (yes I have played it and it has the record of being the fastest game I have ever returned for a refund). Enjoy it if you genuinely think it's good, I have a feeling it will be deader than dead before long.

Lone Stone

it's a feckin asset flip of fallout 4 should have been dlc.

Sonics2k

Thargor wrote: »

Eurogamer eviscerating this in their review, how is it this bad? Its Fallout FFS.

It's Bethesda.

Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 were only good games because of the modding community who fixed them.

It's the same feckin engine which is extremely limited and they're too cheap to invest in a few one.

Grumpypants

Who plays Fallout for the smooth gameplay ?? :pac:

cavemeister

Will be interesting to keep an eye on the price here. Currently 60 Euro but should come down fast as more and more games get traded in:

https://ie.webuy.com/search?stext=Fallout%2076

TerrorFirmer

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's Bethesda.

Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 were only good games because of the modding community who fixed them.

It's the same feckin engine which is extremely limited and they're too cheap to invest in a few one.

That's kinda silly to say though, as all three games are incredibly highly regarded and 90% of the fan/player base wouldn't have ever modded their game.

I've never modded Fallout 3, or 4, and both are two of my favorite games. New Vegas, great as it is, was hands down the worst of the lot for outrageous bugs at launch and that wasn't made by Bethesda.

Fallout 76 is a weak execution of a solid idea, but it's nowhere near as bad as is being made out. I'd say it's a perfect example of a game that should've been amazing, but has turned out to be just sort of alright, nothing more or less.

And that's obviously incredibly disappointing given the endless potential of the Fallout franchise and its lore....but it's not a terrible game either, just somewhat hollow and forgettable.

Reviews giving it 1/5 or 2/10 are just as unfair as any review that would try and award the game 9/10, I think.

PS - engine wise, they need a new one big time, and re-built from the ground up because it sucks. Playing on Xbox One X and while it looks OK, the framerate drops to 15fps in hectic firefights/urban areas. Even worse than FO4 was on consoles.

Retr0gamer

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

Disgusting way to reward the loyal fans who bought day 1 although tbf they knew what they were getting in to.

Not Bethesda's decision. It's the market. Game is overstocked and under performed. The more stock in warehouses the more Bethesda needs to pay so they have to lose excess stock ASAP.

TheValeyard

That and Human 2 already part of Black Friday sales? Wow, glad I didn't pre-order F76. Wonder how low if will go for the next week?

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not Bethesda's decision. It's the market. Game is overstocked and under performed. The more stock in warehouses the more Bethesda needs to pay so they have to lose excess stock ASAP.

The market made them make one of the lowest critically rated games of the year?
Bethesda have nobody to blame but themselves, if the game was released in a better state they wouldn't have to drop the price so soon after release.
Or they could've priced it as an expansion, that would've shifted a few extra units.

Retr0gamer

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

The market made them make one of the lowest critically rated games of the year?
Bethesda have nobody to blame but themselves, if the game was released in a better state they wouldn't have to drop the price so soon after release.
Or they could've priced it as an expansion, that would've shifted a few extra units.

Nobody sets out to make a shirty game and lose revenue. Seemed like a good idea. Should have been a good idea. But was mismanaged. Bethesda aren't doing this to give the middle finger to it'd fanbase.

TheValeyard

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nobody sets out to make a shirty game and lose revenue. Seemed like a good idea. Should have been a good idea. But was mismanaged. Bethesda aren't doing this to give the middle finger to it'd fanbase.

Yeah, it's not a finger to the fan base but a definite attempt to grab revenue it expected to have achieved by now.

degrassinoel

Takes a lot of high profile bad reviews to be the worst Fallout game ever made,
even FO:BOS was rated higher than this turd.

Remember Fallout Brotherhood of Steel? I'd forgotten about it til recently too :pac:

The eurogamer review for that is actually worse than they gave for 76

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nobody sets out to make a shirty game and lose revenue. Seemed like a good idea. Should have been a good idea. But was mismanaged. Bethesda aren't doing this to give the middle finger to it'd fanbase.

No they're not doing it to give the middle finger to the fanbase but I can't see how it can be construed by said fanbase any other way.
Maybe it was mismanagement that resulted in FO76 having the core gameplay stripped away leaving us with no npc's to interact with and base building that disappears once you log out but it's nothing other than incompetence that gave us a game where no pc or console can maintain a steady framerate, a nuke system based on a keyword cipher thats easily bypassed and crashes the server if you launch three of them simultaneously, a game where the framerate is tied to game speed, no FOV slider and a pvp system that inherently handicaps the initiator.
All of this could have been avoided if the game had an actual beta rather than the early access their B.E.T.A was and FO76 wouldn't be in the position it's in now, but no, once again it's the fans that have to get shafted.

https://ie.ign.com/articles/2018/11/22/fallout-76-review

I'm so happy the critics haven't backed down on this. I'm always concerned on bias over keeping these publishers happy.
Bethesda need to suffer here so that they learn from the mistakes.

Sonics2k

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That's kinda silly to say though, as all three games are incredibly highly regarded and 90% of the fan/player base wouldn't have ever modded their game.

Maybe it was a slight exaggeration, I'll admit that.

But, I will stand by the fact that Bethesda do frequently release buggy and broken games, and at least in the PC market, many people heavily rely on the unofficial patches to fix up bugs that simply should not still exist in the game.

Skyrim -still- has the Paarthurnax bug on each platform it's been released on. The only way to currently fix it is either start a new save and avoid a questline (The Blades) or to get a mod installed that fixes the bug.

Bethesda's quality control has been dreadful for years.

GameSpot review 4/10

Grayditch

That doesn't play out like a 4/10 review. I guess this game will be judged as a terrible Fallout moreso than a terrible game, which... Is understandable in a way.

hudsonn

I love Fallout 4 as it's the first and only first Fallout game I've ever played. However I never bothered much with the crafting and building aspects. So the idea that F'76 is heavily dependent on crafting is a big turnoff straightaway.

Thargor

Wonder if they'll do a No Mans Sky job on it and slowly drag it to a playable state or just abandon it?

ShadowHearth

Thargor wrote: »

Wonder if they'll do a No Mans Sky job on it and slowly drag it to a playable state or just abandon it?

That would be a smart thing to do. We have great examples, where companies did that and got theor rep up. Division for example. Pure **** show on launch and right now its really damn good game.
The other side of argument is that we talking about Bethesda. They cant even patch up and clean up games that out for years.

hudsonn

i'm sure they'll have a planned release schedule for updates and content but when the initial reviews are so poor the game's name is tarnished. For example I hadn't realised that No Man's Sky had been dragged into respectability - and I still wouldn't touch it.

Lone Stone

degrassinoel wrote: »

Takes a lot of high profile bad reviews to be the worst Fallout game ever made,
even FO:BOS was rated higher than this turd.

Remember Fallout Brotherhood of Steel? I'd forgotten about it til recently too :pac:

The eurogamer review for that is actually worse than they gave for 76

i played bos it was actually really good, like a fallout type of xcom really.
If that came out now people would probably be enjoying it over this. Also it had multiple endings i really enjoyed it. unless i am thinking of some thing else... maybe.. so long ago.

Tony EH

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's Bethesda.

Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 were only good games because of the modding community who fixed them.

It's the same feckin engine which is extremely limited and they're too cheap to invest in a few one.

That's ridiculous.

All of those titles were great, without the mods. Only 'Fallout 4' comes out the worst of the "recent" Bethesda games and I will admit that I never finished it. But, that was largely to do with being a little tired of the format, after a decade of playing that type of game. But, even so, it was still a good game.

But, this 'Fallout 76' looks terrible. Terrible idea, terrible execution.

The likes of these games are single player (semi) RPG's. They are not multiplayer. Online multiplayer is AWFUL for RPG games, because they ALWAYS descend into a death match and nothing else matters after that. Actual role playing goes out the window.

People online are arseholes and they exhibit their traits in every online game ever made. Everything online gets reduced to "kills" and little else. That's the only "interaction" that happens on a regular basis, which is why making something like a Fallout game or an Elder Scrolls game an online "experience" a stupid idea.

I really hope that they don't bugger the next Elder Scrolls game too.

dreamers75

ShadowHearth wrote: »

That would be a smart thing to do. We have great examples, where companies did that and got theor rep up. Division for example. Pure **** show on launch and right now its really damn good game.

Horsepoop.....think you are jumping on bandwagons here, The Division was a very solid game at launch that simply lacked content past level 30. Thats what they fixed/added, the core game is pretty much the same now as it was then.

degrassinoel

Lone Stone wrote: »

i played bos it was actually really good, like a fallout type of xcom really.
If that came out now people would probably be enjoying it over this. Also it had multiple endings i really enjoyed it. unless i am thinking of some thing else... maybe.. so long ago.

Tactics, you're thinking of Fallout tactics i think, and i enjoyed that one a lot, it even had a reasonable story to it and had the voice of the gunnery sergeant from Full Metal Jacket (R Lee Ermey), FBoS was another kettle of fish altogether.

Thargor

Brotherhood of Steel just reminded me of those Baldurs Gate games for PS2 that were like very poor Diablos. I miss when you just had to take a punt and hope for the best on weird games like that before the wall to wall gaming coverage we have nowadays.

dreamers75

Thargor wrote: »

Brotherhood of Steel just reminded me of those Baldurs Gate games for PS2 that were like very poor Diablos. I miss when you just had to take a punt and hope for the best on weird games like that before the wall to wall gaming coverage we have nowadays.

Same.

Nowadays young whipper snappers dont even play the games, they watch them on the tube!!!! Then tell you its ****!!!!