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Road-Hog

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Kk beat Tipp in the 11 final by 4 points. Tipp beat Waterford at their ease on 12 and 15. Weird definition of winning ways.

Correction 2012 semi final. KK 4-24 Tipperary 1-15..........that is 18 pts. Think this was the day Lar followed tommy walsh around Croke Park. I was just trying to make the point that Tipp have got a serious hiding and bounced back but it took 4 years to reach the peak again

munsterlegend

Road-Hog wrote: »

Correction 2012 semi final. KK 4-24 Tipperary 1-15..........that is 18 pts. Think this was the day Lar followed tommy walsh around Croke Park. I was just trying to make the point that Tipp have got a serious hiding and bounced back but it took 4 years to reach the peak again

Structure is very important and confidence in a coaching team. Look at donegal in football - went from being humiliated to an all Ireland semi final and the next year winners in 2 years.

Stacksofwacks

I think a new level of nastiness is gonna creep into this thread, even poor PH will have to check out. lol

thesaturdayman

munsterlegend wrote: »

Structure is very important and confidence in a coaching team. Look at donegal in football - went from being humiliated to an all Ireland semi final and the next year winners in 2 years.

Donegal also had one of the most innovate, forward thinking, ahead of his time managers football has ever seen who played to an ultra rigid & defensive system but ultimately brought them to glory.

We had the same in hurling & was ran out of the job by a county board who had no ambition & hurling purists / snobs / knobs who said it was proper hurling that sweeper **** - we were in actual fact a puck of a ball from an all Ireland under Derek & by Christ could we do with him back.

Jjjjjjjjbarry

cul beag wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

Players out drinking last night apparently

Yes they were. All langers in the nightclub. Can’t imagine how they had worked up a thirst though!

You have to feel sorry for Fanning. As a Waterford man, I’m sure he’s hurting more than anyone today. Hopefully the Brick wasn’t out as a lad of his age is in 3 day hangover territory haha

Jerry Atrick

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Donegal also had one of the most innovate, forward thinking, ahead of his time managers football has ever seen who played to an ultra rigid & defensive system but ultimately brought them to glory.

We had the same in hurling & was ran out of the job by a county board who had no ambition & hurling purists / snobs / knobs who said it was proper hurling that sweeper **** - we were in actual fact a puck of a ball from an all Ireland under Derek & by Christ could we do with him back.

Five years in the job...didn't get us to the holy grail. Time to move on and stop living in the past lad.

_blaaz

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Donegal also had one of the most innovate, forward thinking, ahead of his time managers football has ever seen who played to an ultra rigid & defensive system but ultimately brought them to glory.

We had the same in hurling & was ran out of the job by a county board who had no ambition & hurling purists / snobs / knobs who said it was proper hurling that sweeper **** - we were in actual fact a puck of a ball from an all Ireland under Derek & by Christ could we do with him back.

Kinda glossing over derek mcgraths last year there??

The rot started with him


Plus the fact several players had left the panel and refused to play (cant call that muck hurling)under him

munsterlegend

_blaaz wrote: »

Kinda glossing over derek mcgraths last year there??


Plus the fact several players had left the panel and refused to play (cant call that muck hurling)under him

Who refused to play?

Stacksofwacks

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

You have to feel sorry for Fanning. As a Waterford man, I’m sure he’s hurting more than anyone today. Hopefully the Brick wasn’t out as a lad of his age is in 3 day hangover territory haha

Im pretty sure brick dosen't drink. Ya it is tough on Fanning, he comes from a famous Waterford GAA family and its not nice to see a man hitting the deck in this way. I just think he is out of his depth both tactically and in terms of management style, his old school approach isnt washing with the current generation. He also wasnt helped by how the previous manager operated.

JeffKenna

It's looking like the smartest people in all of this were Dinny Cahill and Pat Ryan for keeping away from the current group of players.

Obi1mikal

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Donegal also had one of the most innovate, forward thinking, ahead of his time managers football has ever seen who played to an ultra rigid & defensive system but ultimately brought them to glory.

We had the same in hurling & was ran out of the job by a county board who had no ambition & hurling purists / snobs / knobs who said it was proper hurling that sweeper **** - we were in actual fact a puck of a ball from an all Ireland under Derek & by Christ could we do with him back.

Derek won a league but was relegated twice.. Derek's record in Munster is played 11, won 2, drew 2 and lost 7.

Why is he seen as a Messiah?

_blaaz

In all seriousness....id be removing your phone number

Road-Hog

_blaaz wrote: »

In all seriousness....id be removing your phone number

Retarded carry on trying to arrange a meeting with a guy from an Internet forum to discuss hurling and to top it all costa coffee the suggested venue.

Road-Hog

Don’t know if any of you recall ‘sid wallace’ from the ‘An fear rua’ days.......probably one of the best contributors to any Waterford hurling and in fact any county hurling forum during the late 90’s to early 00’s......staunch mt sion man from memory.......so would be interesting to get his take on the whole situation at present and how to fix it and de-tag Waterford as being the next ‘offaly’........!!

_blaaz

Road-Hog wrote: »

Don’t know if any of you recall ‘sid wallace’ from the ‘An fear rua’ days.......probably one of the best contributors to any Waterford hurling and in fact any county hurling forum during the late 90’s to early 00’s......staunch mt sion man from memory.......so would be interesting to get his take on the whole situation at present and how to fix it and de-tag Waterford as being the next ‘offaly’........!!

An fearrua......going back abit now :pac:

Tramore84

Road-Hog wrote: »

Don’t know if any of you recall ‘sid wallace’ from the ‘An fear rua’ days.......probably one of the best contributors to any Waterford hurling and in fact any county hurling forum during the late 90’s to early 00’s......staunch mt sion man from memory.......so would be interesting to get his take on the whole situation at present and how to fix it and de-tag Waterford as being the next ‘offaly’........!!

I do remember Sid....loved the anfearrua website, fantastic articles too.

Road-Hog

thesaturdayman wrote: »

I arranged nothing you liar

Ring me I’m waiting on the call

I’ll ring ya. You seem to be desperate. Prefer insomnia though.

JesusRef

Sid Wallace was great on An Fear Rua, posted here for a small bit too I think?

Clarehurlers was the best though, around 2002-2006?

Road-Hog

Tramore84 wrote: »

I do remember Sid....loved the anfearrua website, fantastic articles too.

He wrote some great stuff alright and always gave out a bit of local history also........Ballygunner followers were referred to as the ‘Jeep brigade’ and instead of over buttered ham sandwiches and tae out of the boot of the car they would have smoked salmon on soda bread and a caraf of white wine to wash it down on fold up table and chairs that would fit comfortably in the back of the Range Rover

Teebor15

It is interesting that the only players coming out of this with any credit are the players who were not part of the McGrath regime. Callam Lyons and Conor Prunty who I though was like a collosus trying to hold back a tsunami yesterday!

From the outside looking in it appears that the players have no faith in the new management whether that is warranted or not I don't know as I'm not privy to the goings on in the camp. The "Love in" between the players and Derek was taking player-management to a new level and it very nearly got us an All-Ireland. It may be that the players haven't got over the break up and are either unable to or don't want to adjust to a new manager.

Player power has ousted two managers in the recent past In Justin and Michael Ryan. Maybe the players want to oust Paric but feel they won't garner public support within the county if they take this route again so the easier way is to down tools with poor performances and have the job done for them.

I would suspect the the current Management set up is out of its depth and will "Step down" after the championship. Question is who will replace them?

Ropaire

This is gas. Thanks for lightening the mood for 5 mins with this ****e lads.

If we managed to organise a protest march there'd be slaps thrown after about 10 yards and everyone would go home or go to Costa coffee sulking about it.

Mastermcgrath

Teebor15 wrote: »

It is interesting that the only players coming out of this with any credit are the players who were not part of the McGrath regime. Callam Lyons and Conor Prunty who I though was like a collosus trying to hold back a tsunami yesterday!

From the outside looking in it appears that the players have no faith in the new management whether that is warranted or not I don't know as I'm not privy to the goings on in the camp. The "Love in" between the players and Derek was taking player-management to a new level and it very nearly got us an All-Ireland. It may be that the players haven't got over the break up and are either unable to or don't want to adjust to a new manager.

Player power has ousted two managers in the recent past In Justin and Michael Ryan. Maybe the players want to oust Paric but feel they won't garner public support within the county if they take this route again so the easier way is to down tools with poor performances and have the job done for them.

I would suspect the the current Management set up is out of its depth and will "Step down" after the championship. Question is who will replace them?

Henry Shefflin would be the dream choice.

Ropaire

Teebor15 wrote: »

It is interesting that the only players coming out of this with any credit are the players who were not part of the McGrath regime. Callam Lyons and Conor Prunty who I though was like a collosus trying to hold back a tsunami yesterday!

From the outside looking in it appears that the players have no faith in the new management whether that is warranted or not I don't know as I'm not privy to the goings on in the camp. The "Love in" between the players and Derek was taking player-management to a new level and it very nearly got us an All-Ireland. It may be that the players haven't got over the break up and are either unable to or don't want to adjust to a new manager.

Player power has ousted two managers in the recent past In Justin and Michael Ryan. Maybe the players want to oust Paric but feel they won't garner public support within the county if they take this route again so the easier way is to down tools with poor performances and have the job done for them.

I would suspect the the current Management set up is out of its depth and will "Step down" after the championship. Question is who will replace them?

The last management didnt have a panel so much as a hierarchy of lads who were guaranteed starters who were untouchable and a second group of lads there to make up the numbers in training games. Prunty and Lyons wouldn't have gotten a look in if they were still there as I'm sure Coughlan would have stayed on and Derek would name 7 half backs to cover him.
The untouchables are downing tools now by the looks of it, I'd say that panel is pure toxic these days. Feel bad for the lads who busted themselves yesterday, brick ran 60 yards killing himself while other lads cantered along watching him. Gona stop now before i bust a blood vessel and leave it with a good clear out is needed.

Ropaire

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Henry Shefflin would be the dream choice.

Based on what? Managing a cracking club side that was already well able to win club all irelands to win a club all ireland?

I'd like someone like Donal OGrady but fat chance of that happening. The likes of Pat Ryan and Matty Kenny would have been good but sure the county board made a hames of appointing them.

Powerhouse

Ropaire wrote: »

Based on what? Managing a cracking club side that was already well able to win club all irelands to win a club all ireland?

Stardust, baby, stardust. That's why he used the phrase "dream choice". It is not a rational suggestion. And Shefflin would be far too cute to touch that job with the proverbial considering the risk of failure.

Spatters

Stopitwillya wrote: »

You’re making a bit of a fool out of yourself here. This forum is surely not the place to start calling lads out over not meeting for a coffee- irrespective of whether its Insomnia or Costa. ???

JesusRef

Teebor15 wrote: »

It is interesting that the only players coming out of this with any credit are the players who were not part of the McGrath regime. Callam Lyons and Conor Prunty who I though was like a collosus trying to hold back a tsunami yesterday!

From the outside looking in it appears that the players have no faith in the new management whether that is warranted or not I don't know as I'm not privy to the goings on in the camp. The "Love in" between the players and Derek was taking player-management to a new level and it very nearly got us an All-Ireland. It may be that the players haven't got over the break up and are either unable to or don't want to adjust to a new manager.

Player power has ousted two managers in the recent past In Justin and Michael Ryan. Maybe the players want to oust Paric but feel they won't garner public support within the county if they take this route again so the easier way is to down tools with poor performances and have the job done for them.

I would suspect the the current Management set up is out of its depth and will "Step down" after the championship. Question is who will replace them?

100% inexperienced newcomers wiling to through wall for the cause, try will be great leaders in time

Deisegodeo

I'd love to see an outside manager come in and have a serious cull of the panel. Prunty, Callum Lyons and Jack Prendergast have shown that we have lads who can step up to senior county level and I'd prefer to see some more young lads given a chance instead of some the players who decided to simply step playing. I still cant get my head around the fact that our senior county team - or a significant number of players anyway - just stopped trying and couldn't be bothered to compete.

Just cant see any decent outside manager wanting it now though, Mattie Kenny must be thanking his lucky stars the county board made those ridiculous demands about fundraising obligations.

Where we go form here I just dont know. Sean Power is the obvious candidate locally but its long rumoured the current panel dont want him either. Could well be Derek stepping back in unless the county board stand up to the players.

Stacksofwacks

I'd like to see Shefflin have a crack at it. Would he is another question. . I think the players would look up to him. I think he's probably the next KK manager in waiting but there's no guarantee Cody will step down for a good few years yet. I like he's analysis on the Sunday game, he's very much in touch with the modern tactics but dosent blow himself up.

Jerry Atrick

Deisegodeo wrote: »

I'd love to see an outside manager come in and have a serious cull of the panel. Prunty, Callum Lyons and Jack Prendergast have shown that we have lads who can step up to senior county level and I'd prefer to see some more young lads given a chance instead of some the players who decided to simply step playing. I still cant get my head around the fact that our senior county team - or a significant number of players anyway - just stopped trying and couldn't be bothered to compete.

Just cant see any decent outside manager wanting it now though, Mattie Kenny must be thanking his lucky stars the county board made those ridiculous demands about fundraising obligations.

Where we go form here I just dont know. Sean Power is the obvious candidate locally but its long rumoured the current panel dont want him either. Could well be Derek stepping back in unless the county board stand up to the players.

If we have a cull we won't have a team. Looking at the state of county championship there isn't many fellas sticking their hand up!

Deisegodeo

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

If we have a cull we won't have a team. Looking at the state of county championship there isn't many fellas sticking their hand up!

We dont seem to have much of a team right now, though.

I'd prefer to have young inexperienced players busting themselves for the jersey than fellas who couldnt be bothered.

Jerry Atrick

Deisegodeo wrote: »

We dont seem to have much of a team right now, though.

I'd prefer to have young inexperienced players busting themselves for the jersey than fellas who couldnt be bothered.

True enough...we are in a tight spot right now

Fred C Dobbs

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I'd like to see Shefflin have a crack at it. Would he is another question. . I think the players would look up to him. I think he's probably the next KK manager in waiting but there's no guarantee Cody will step down for a good few years yet. I like he's analysis on the Sunday game, he's very much in touch with the modern tactics but dosent blow himself up.

There’s 2 chances of Henry Shefflin being the next manager (of Waterford).

Maybe he’ll take over Kilkenny and Cody will grab the chance of putting some manners on the Waterford fellas.

Stacksofwacks

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

There’s 2 chances of Henry Shefflin being the next manager (of Waterford).

Maybe he’ll take over Kilkenny and Cody will grab the chance of putting some manners on the Waterford fellas.

Ha don't think so poor old Brian would get a stroke!!

TheScoringGoal

The only outside guy who could consider it that I can think of is Colm Bonnar. But I'm not sure the Waterford job is a particularly attractive one right now. Even inside the county aside from Derek McGrath are we looking at anyone other than Sean Power, Peter Queally or Fergal Hartley?

sitkaspruce

I brought myself to Watch Derek's speech at the homecoming after 2017 all Ireland, the talk of a team refusing to give in, relentless in their pursuit of bringing home the McCarthy cup, what a load of old bollocks that has turned out to be.

A team that went out on the p1ss last night after a 20 point hammering should be ashamed of themselves and dont deserve the support of the Waterford people next weekend. At the end of the day, that team were competitive up to a number of months ago in the league, where has it all gone wrong.

Being honest too, I feel pity for Padraig Fanning, hes come in and taken over a toxic dressing room that clearly has no interest in listening to anyone else other than Derek McGrath. The team need to realise that McGrath's time has come and gone and he brought that team as far as he could!

Where to next? God only knows, It's an ideal situation for someone making a name for themselves in intercounty management, Waterford are at the lowest point they have been for over 20 years so if you come in and miraculously get out of Munster your are heralded a hero but if it's a repeat of what we saw yesterday people can acknowledge that the so called golden generation are clearly not what we thought they were.

Finally I think the behaviour of stopitwillya and Saturday man tonight is what Derek meant when he spoke of this team being a mirror image of the Waterford people with their petulance and childish strops.

Deise189

Based in cork these days close to Pat Ryan’s club. Pat Ryan was county boards choice and had accepted the position. Ryan was diagnosed with an illness shortly after which prevented him from taking up the role. Presume this led to the debacle of all media reporting him as the new manager and then fanning eventually getting it a few weeks later.

I’m certainly not supportive of the current co. Board but infairness to them they did look outside of the county to a coach who is (I’m told) highly regarded in Cork GAA circles.

Deiseen

Is the only positive to come of this (besides Prendergast, Lyons and Prunty) is that we now have regular championship games in Waterford City generating a regular income into the county.

I know the stadium cost will have to be repaid but it still gives the county board flexibility with an actual revenue stream to properly invest at Underage.

The only hope is that people show up to games to fill the stadium to generate this cash. Hopefully we can get a result against Cork and improve a bit next year so that we actually have money to invest in the future.

Mastermcgrath

Ropaire wrote: »

Based on what? Managing a cracking club side that was already well able to win club all irelands to win a club all ireland?

I'd like someone like Donal OGrady but fat chance of that happening. The likes of Pat Ryan and Matty Kenny would have been good but sure the county board made a hames of appointing them.

He’s rated as being a top class manager by thissr and and proved by sauntering to an AI in his first season. But DOG out of the game with 10 years is the right man for it because you couldn’t think of anyone else

Mastermcgrath

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

There’s 2 chances of Henry Shefflin being the next manager (of Waterford).

Maybe he’ll take over Kilkenny and Cody will grab the chance of putting some manners on the Waterford fellas.

Why not? he would recognise good players in Waterford and the KK job is not available for another few years. The only deterrent is the county board if he got 10 mins of Paddy Joe he’d see through the BS straight away and turn and walk the other way

PTH2009

Deise189 wrote: »

Based in cork these days close to Pat Ryan’s club. Pat Ryan was county boards choice and had accepted the position. Ryan was diagnosed with an illness shortly after which prevented him from taking up the role. Presume this led to the debacle of all media reporting him as the new manager and then fanning eventually getting it a few weeks later.

I’m certainly not supportive of the current co. Board but infairness to them they did look outside of the county to a coach who is (I’m told) highly regarded in Cork GAA circles.

Matty Kenny had the job too but obv fell through and Is now Dublin manager and doesn't have too worry about fundraising up there

Cant see Fanning walking away and he will be in charge in 2020.

2021- new stadium with a new manager

thesaturdayman

PTH2009 wrote: »

Matty Kenny had the job too but obv fell through and Is now Dublin manager and doesn't have too worry about fundraising up there

Cant see Fanning walking away and he will be in charge in 2020.

2021- new stadium with a new manager

New stadium?

Rumour doing the round today is that the stadium revamp is being canned.

It will literally be lipstick on a pig a €1m spend just touching up Walsh park

sitkaspruce

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Would have to agree with all of that, bar the last bit.

Call me out all ya want but don’t tell blatant lies, if your not prepared to take a call from me on it or ring me then you are a siht house & spineless.

Iv done as much as anyone for my club, played a long time and still playing, entitled to an opinion, entitled to be challenged on it totally but I think it’s unfair to have blatant lies told about me too & it’s my right to call that out. The other spineless pirck won’t even ring me.

Instead will hide behind the keyboard typing away - irony Im aware I am too, but I’ll be out tomorrow night Thursday night Friday night & Sunday with my club & at the county board meeting Monday.

No one is doubting your dedication to the cause Saturday man. To be fair your the only man putting forward a way to resolve this horrible situation that Waterford have found themselves in.

As for people suggesting Donal O'Grady? Come in out of the fog. That ship has sailed long ago. If Sean Power was the man for the job he should have got it over Padraig. It's time to go outside the county, someone with a point to prove - why not go to Tipp an look at Eamon O'Shea or Tommy Dunne? Head to KK and chat to Mick Dempsey or James Mcgarry?

These players need an outside voice with no allegiance to past pupils or club mates to sort them out. If you think the answer lies within the county you are gravely mistaken.

Ropaire

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

He’s rated as being a top class manager by thissr and and proved by sauntering to an AI in his first season. But DOG out of the game with 10 years is the right man for it because you couldn’t think of anyone else

I reckon something akin to the running game OGrady had Cork playing would suit the players we have. Also seems like the kind of lad who would take no **** from any of the players but yeah, it's wishful thinking really.

You might be right about Shefflin being a top coach, but he won that AI with his own club where he is a local hero and lads most likely idolise him. Would our current crop of prima donnas listen to him or run through walls for him? Hard to tell if he would have the authority to get any more from them than Fanning has done like.

Stacksofwacks

If Fanning is the problem then remove him, if the players are the problem then it dosent matter who the manager is

Ropaire

Let's call a spade a spade, the next manager is probably going to be Derek again the way things are going. He's the easy option for the county board and his old favourites clearly want him there as they wouldn't play for Skully and they're not playing for Fanning. Judging by the stuff he's written in the papers he wants to go back as well. We could be in for decades of puke hurling and lads playing well into their 40s. Cant wait!

Stacksofwacks

Why are we the only county that has problems with players like this. KK, Tipp, Cork etc players will always die with their boots on in games and if they are seen to be not trying they are never seen in a county jersey again. Even the Cork strikes in the 00's their players never gave less than 100% on the field.

But sure ya bring back Derek, let him doing his mollycoddling, iron their socks, give them a bit pocket money for a few pints

JeffKenna

Ropaire wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade, the next manager is probably going to be Derek again the way things are going. He's the easy option for the county board and his old favourites clearly want him there as they wouldn't play for Skully and they're not playing for Fanning. Judging by the stuff he's written in the papers he wants to go back as well. We could be in for decades of puke hurling and lads playing well into their 40s. Cant wait!

If this happens then I can only imagine how demoralised players trying to break into the team will be. It could set the county back decades if the core group of Derek's players get their way after showing such distain for the shirt in recent weeks.

Motivator

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Why are we the only county that has problems with players like this. KK, Tipp, Cork etc players will always die with their boots on in games and if they are seen to be not trying they are never seen in a county jersey again. Even the Cork strikes in the 00's their players never gave less than 100% on the field.

It’s very difficult to know what the problem is but having spoken to a couple of my old club mates this evening the line is it’s the players revolting. I’m not sure what to believe to be honest but as suggested above, the players wouldn’t play for Michael Ryan and shafted him and it’s looking like there’s a similar situation brewing again.

Is it a case of apparently difficult lads being babied and bigged up and then throwing their toys out of the pram if they don’t get their own way? I can remember a bit of it happening towards the end of Justin McCarthy’s time and some of it with Davy too. The only thing was Davy wasn’t a man to be messed with so players kept quiet. It’s quite possible that certain players had their egos massaged by Derek and Dan for 5 years and lads simply don’t know any other way to behave now. That’s not a dig at the two lads, they obviously did what they felt was required to get the best out of certain players and I respect that. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

My mind is constantly changing with Fanning. He isn’t a bad chap at all, I remember him from years ago and he was always a decent man. Is the job too much for him? Yes. Like I said last week on here, I think he was goosed before a ball was pucked in January. The previous management team had such loyalty and trust from the panel that the situation is kind of like your parents have split up and your mother has moved her new boyfriend in a fortnight later. Derek often gives off the vibe that this is still his team in interviews or on The Sunday Game and I think whoever took up the job was going to have an impossible task.

Has Fanning helped himself? No he hasn’t but the players haven’t helped him either. Fanning can’t be blamed for a lack of effort or the inability to play a 15 yard pass to a teammate. Something that intercounty players could do with their eyes closed. There really is no excuse for that and it’s disrespectful. Limerick players actually looked embarrassed yesterday to be quite honest.

Whatever is going on is shameful and if it’s a case of the players downing tools then and not trying for whatever reasons then I feel sorry for them. In 5, 10 or 20 years time if they’ve no medals in their pockets I wonder will they look back on this year and think “we did the right thing in 2019. We wasted a year of our careers but we proved a point”.

Mastermcgrath

Ropaire wrote: »

I reckon something akin to the running game OGrady had Cork playing would suit the players we have. Also seems like the kind of lad who would take no **** from any of the players but yeah, it's wishful thinking really.

You might be right about Shefflin being a top coach, but he won that AI with his own club where he is a local hero and lads most likely idolise him. Would our current crop of prima donnas listen to him or run through walls for him? Hard to tell if he would have the authority to get any more from them than Fanning has done like.

DOGs days are over, like being a player, coaching and managing is also a young mans game. Unless Shefflin has his heart bent set in the KK job I don’t see why someone like him wouldn’t want a shot at Waterford. Expectations will be at an all time low, the only way is up.