Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

1984baby

munsterlegend wrote: »

What is a bit unfair on Waterford is having to play 6 days after. Only county affected like this?

It’s the luck of the draw. Kilkenny are playing galway on Sunday and their final game is 6 days later in Wexford.

mountgomery burns

Personally, I don't have an issue with lads going on the beer once they're out. That didn't cause the performance on Sunday or two weeks before it.

Don't think they should be chastised by fellas who were also in a pub watching them. I hope they don't get hammered on Saturday but to be honest if they won by 10 points it wouldn't make the last 4 weeks any better.

Stacksofwacks

It doesn't matter, the year is over, we're out of the championship. I wouldn't care if they all played drunk next weekend, in fact they'd nearly play better langers than they did last weekend.

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Paul Flynn coming on Newstalk off the ball in a few minutes. Will probably be on podcast later if you miss it.

Sweet.Science

I feel for the likes of Shane Bennett . An outstanding underage wing back being shafted since he’s been on the senior panel chasing shadows in the full forward line

PTH2009

Rumours members of the minor panel joining up with the senior squad for Saturdays game

****ing hell sat could be farcical

mountgomery burns

PTH2009 wrote: »

Rumours members of the minor panel joining up with the senior squad for Saturdays game

****ing hell sat could be farcical

They can't

Mastermcgrath

mountgomery burns wrote: »

They can't

He’s making stuff up again

Ian OB

PTH2009 wrote: »

Rumours members of the minor panel joining up with the senior squad for Saturdays game

****ing hell sat could be farcical

I don't think it counts as a rumour if you start it yourself ðŸ˜

PTH2009

Saw it here

https://forum.ybig.ie/gaa-hurling-2019_topic56806_page11.html

How reliable tho ?

sitkaspruce

PTH2009 wrote: »

Saw it here

https://forum.ybig.ie/gaa-hurling-2019_topic56806_page11.html

How reliable tho ?

Not very.

PTH2009

sitkaspruce wrote: »

Not very.

If all or part of the discontent in the camp is true than what state will we be in for 2020 if Fanning doesn't step down. He wont be sacked cause of the league form we had and the reelections in the CB will take priority.

Mulbert

I heard some of last years under 11 clashmore team have been asked to step in to replace the minors that have been called up to the senior squad.

We indeed are living though interesting times.

Its whats great about being a Waterford supporter!

hurler on de ditch

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

_blaaz wrote: »

What other county gives up after 20 mins and only 2pts in it??



Its a joke excusing this behaviour.....no matter how bad the all ireland of 08 defeat was....noone carried on like what went on yesterday in walsh park


Nicky quaid came out and even said he felt embarassed for us

We were caught cold in '08. The players were spooked either by the occasion or Kilkenny's aggression or both. But some of them did give up, more or less

plus the horrible tactics that Davy Fitz set us up for .pissed through the qualifiers ,wasn't until we beat tipp and fitz had a few weeks to poison lads .the beginning of the end .Paul Flynn wrote at the time he believed we had being dragged back 30 years ,he wasn't wrong

_blaaz

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

plus the horrible tactics that Davy Fitz set us up for .pissed through the qualifiers ,wasn't until we beat tipp and fitz had a few weeks to poison lads .the beginning of the end .Paul Flynn wrote at the time he believed we had being dragged back 30 years ,he wasn't wrong

Tbh as bad as fitz was with his rugby type.hurling.....its not as bad as watching maurice shanahan running around like.a clown trying to tackle 3 players and they laughing at him

MUFC91CS

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Personally, I don't have an issue with lads going on the beer once they're out. That didn't cause the performance on Sunday or two weeks before it.

Don't think they should be chastised by fellas who were also in a pub watching them. I hope they don't get hammered on Saturday but to be honest if they won by 10 points it wouldn't make the last 4 weeks any better.

Of course they can be chastised. I certainly wasn't in any humor for beer on Sunday after watching what transpired. If I was part of it I genuinely would have been embarrassed to show my face in town on Sunday. I'm always against the heavy drinking bans and the social restrictions placed on GAA players if i was a lot of those lads, and I cared in anyway about Waterford hurling, I would have had a hard time looking in the mirror on Sunday night.

I have no problem not getting out of Munster if they gave it a good rattle and came up short. I believe we are currently the worst team in Munster but to go down the way we did has made me absolutely despondent. If they went down to Cork and lost by 10 points on Sunday but went down swinging it would make me feel a whole lot better about the last few weeks. I genuinely can't understand how you wouldn't feel better about a performance down in Cork after what happened on Sunday? What's the point of even supporting the team?

hurler on de ditch

hardybuck wrote: »

KevIRL wrote: »

Personally would only start Lyons, Prunty and Jack Prendergast from Sunday. All of the fringe and squad players such as Daragh Lyons, Billy Nolan, Colm Roche, Stephen Roche, Kieran Bennett, Mark O Brien, Jordan Henley, DJ Foran, Peter Hogan, Shane McNulty, Brian O Halloran and Colin Dunford should be considered for starts ahead of those involved last Sunday. Any of them who were on the lash Sunday or Monday in Nicky's though I wouldnt start and go down to the under 20 squad if required

If you do that you're potentially sending in a team of young lads to be slaughtered down in Cork. It would be much fairer to them to be blooded properly in next year's league.

name a player who hasn't being blooded

JesusRef

PTH2009 wrote: »

Rumours members of the minor panel joining up with the senior squad for Saturdays game

****ing hell sat could be farcical

Here was me thinking we bottomed out on Sunday.... Do you even know the GAA rules?

mountgomery burns

MUFC91CS wrote: »

Of course they can be chastised. I certainly wasn't in any humor for beer on Sunday after watching what transpired. If I was part of it I genuinely would have been embarrassed to show my face in town on Sunday. I'm always against the heavy drinking bans and the social restrictions placed on GAA players if i was a lot of those lads, and I cared in anyway about Waterford hurling, I would have had a hard time looking in the mirror on Sunday night.

I have no problem not getting out of Munster if they gave it a good rattle and came up short. I believe we are currently the worst team in Munster but to go down the way we did has made me absolutely despondent. If they went down to Cork and lost by 10 points on Sunday but went down swinging it would make me feel a whole lot better about the last few weeks. I genuinely can't understand how you wouldn't feel better about a performance down in Cork after what happened on Sunday? What's the point of even supporting the team?

They can be berated for the performances on the field as they should be and are being from all quarters. What lads do in their personal life when there is nothing at stake is completely up to them and our business.

This hiding in the attic out of shame nonsense is real tribal bs. How dare they show their face? Come off it lad. I'm no intercounty hurler but have seen some hammerings and albeit it's a horrible feeling, I'd happily take the opportunity to go for a few pints with friends to try and forget about it.

Maybe a performance next weekend will restore hope for you, but it has no bearing on 2019. As I said, I do hope they are competitive but I won't be happy until they win a championship match that has a bearing on Waterford's year. Next weekend is a glorified challenge match, only different to the Wexford v Clare relegation (with no actual relegation) match several years ago in that Cork have something to play for.

Tramore84

mountgomery burns wrote: »

They can be berated for the performances on the field as they should be and are being from all quarters. What lads do in their personal life when there is nothing at stake is completely up to them and our business.

This hiding in the attic out of shame nonsense is real tribal bs. How dare they show their face? Come off it lad. I'm no intercounty hurler but have seen some hammerings and albeit it's a horrible feeling, I'd happily take the opportunity to go for a few pints with friends to try and forget about it.

Maybe a performance next weekend will restore hope for you, but it has no bearing on 2019. As I said, I do hope they are competitive but I won't be happy until they win a championship match that has a bearing on Waterford's year. Next weekend is a glorified challenge match, only different to the Wexford v Clare relegation (with no actual relegation) match several years ago in that Cork have something to play for.

It's not a challenge match, Cork have something to play for, they will go all out. They could have held off on the pints until Sat evening. Poor judgment on and off the pitch from the players.

Mastermcgrath

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Paul Flynn coming on Newstalk off the ball in a few minutes. Will probably be on podcast later if you miss it.

Interesting insight from Flynn as always. Never overly critical but you can read between the lines of what he is saying.
Made a good point about Fanning's backroom team of Kearney and Murray. very lightweight and inexperienced compared to all other counties.
Also seemed to allude to the fact that the players simply don't want to deviate from the defensive style implemented by McGrath, a management team with a more assertive approach should be beating that out of them. Fanning doesn't seem to believe in his own philosophy strong enough for the payers to buy into it and players are caught between 2 stools.

Spatters

mountgomery burns wrote: »

They can be berated for the performances on the field as they should be and are being from all quarters. What lads do in their personal life when there is nothing at stake is completely up to them and our business.

This hiding in the attic out of shame nonsense is real tribal bs. How dare they show their face? Come off it lad. I'm no intercounty hurler but have seen some hammerings and albeit it's a horrible feeling, I'd happily take the opportunity to go for a few pints with friends to try and forget about it.

Maybe a performance next weekend will restore hope for you, but it has no bearing on 2019. As I said, I do hope they are competitive but I won't be happy until they win a championship match that has a bearing on Waterford's year. Next weekend is a glorified challenge match, only different to the Wexford v Clare relegation (with no actual relegation) match several years ago in that Cork have something to play for.

Im sorry but there is pride at stake next Sat. If not for themselves but for the County. Drinking in public Sun & Mon is a complete display of defiance towards mgmt and complete lack of judgement and indifference towards supporters

Ropaire

I'd have no problem with lads going for a few jars after a game, I think it's healthy if anything to be honest. But going on the beer now?

After the championship is over is grand, a gang of lads going on the beer 6 days out from your next game sounds more like lads throwing in the towel now and giving 2 fingers to management in the process. If they gave a fiddlers they would be chomping at the bit to play Cork and not inside skulling. They may also have been ****ed off the panel after that joke of a showing though, who knows. It's awful sad.

Spatters

Ropaire wrote: »

I'd have no problem with lads going for a few jars after a game, I think it's healthy if anything to be honest. But going on the beer now?

After the championship is over is grand, a gang of lads going on the beer 6 days out from your next game sounds more like lads throwing in the towel now and giving 2 fingers to management in the process. If they gave a fiddlers they would be chomping at the bit to play Cork and not inside skulling. They may also have been ****ed off the panel after that joke of a showing though, who knows. It's awful sad.[/quote

Bang on!ðŸ‘ðŸ»

Spatters

Tramore84 wrote: »

It's not a challenge match, Cork have something to play for, they will go all out. They could have held off on the pints until Sat evening. Poor judgment on and off the pitch from the players.

If anything the players are letting themselves down and i think decent supporters couldn’t stand by their actions. The downing of tools and lack of respect for the jersey is playing right into the mgmts hand - public sympathy will be with them after this

Stacksofwacks

Spatters wrote: »

Im sorry but there is pride at stake next Sat. If not for themselves but for the County. Drinking in public Sun & Mon is a complete display of defiance towards mgmt and complete lack of judgement and indifference towards supporters

Your probably right they shouldnt have done it, but if i was involved in that kind of a hammering i dont know how I'd face the next couple of days. they're humans. Kinda dreading this Cork trip now,the score could be anything

Mastermcgrath

Spatters wrote: »

Im sorry but there is pride at stake next Sat. If not for themselves but for the County. Drinking in public Sun & Mon is a complete display of defiance towards mgmt and complete lack of judgement and indifference towards supporters

What supporters, the ones who chose to stay away all year and watch from the armchair? Ive seen an awful lot of criticism from clowns on social media saying the players let them down, well its been two-fold, the supporters have let the players down aswell. 2000 people showed up for a home leaguequarter final (500 from Clare), the Clare Munster championship game was like a morgue the atmosphere was so dead, and we couldn't even sell out our home venue for the Limerick game after all the calls for a 40,000 seater stadium in Carriganore. Weve become the most pathetically supported county in the championship and that was before a ball was ever pucked under this management team.

I don't know if players had persmission to head out on Sunday night so cannot comment, poor form on management if not. But don't give the third degree about letting the supporters down, bar the few hundred or so die hard souls that would have been in Cork next weekend anyway.

mickmackmcgoo

Mastermcgrath wrote:

I don't know if players had persmission to head out on Sunday night so cannot comment, poor form on management if not. But don't give the third degree about letting the supporters down, bar the few hundred or so die hard souls that would have been in Cork next weekend anyway.

I'd say the players were told to go out on Sunday night . As for the support , we were well supported from 98 to 08 . I know lots of people who wouldn't be club members or have played hurling but they loved the buzz and excitement of it all , travelling to cork , thurles and croke park . The banter and pride in their county doing well. But the 08 final devastated it. Lots never returned to watching the team again . Even the great under 21 team of 2016 we couldn't fill Walsh park the night of the Munster Final. Numbers increased in 2017 especially for the kk matches and semi and final but another loss in the final killed it again. Now you can say they aren't true supporters but they outnumbered the core supporters. Times are changing, 20% of the city population are non nationals who haven't any real interest in GAA. So I don't think we will see the days again of 25,000 Waterford people travelling to matches

PTH2009

As impossible as it is if we got passed Munster the bandwagon would be rolling in again. The ****e we hear on social media, radio etc when were doing well would make u sick

I'm a good supporter and myself and few others would travel the width and bret of country too support the team. How it will work out next year I dont knw but its always a great day out and something the future would look forward too. This league alone trips too places I'm beve been like Port laoise and Parnell park. Sometimes the journeys better than the destination

Mastermcgrath

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

I'd say the players were told to go out on Sunday night . As for the support , we were well supported from 98 to 08 . I know lots of people who wouldn't be club members or have played hurling but they loved the buzz and excitement of it all , travelling to cork , thurles and croke park . The banter and pride in their county doing well. But the 08 final devastated it. Lots never returned to watching the team again . Even the great under 21 team of 2016 we couldn't fill Walsh park the night of the Munster Final. Numbers increased in 2017 especially for the kk matches and semi and final but another loss in the final killed it again. Now you can say they aren't true supporters but they outnumbered the core supporters. Times are changing, 20% of the city population are non nationals who haven't any real interest in GAA. So I don't think we will see the days again of 25,000 Waterford people travelling to matches

The city dominance on the county senior team in those periods was stronger aswell. I think in 98 Mount sion had something like 11 on the panel and Ballygunner a significant number also, DLS came strong then in the early noughties. This brought a larger following from the city as they would have felt more of a connection to the team. The All Ireland defeat in 08, followed by recession, and a wider spread of rural clubs being represented meant that city support has faded largely. Given that the city is effectively 50% of the county's population this has an impact

mountgomery burns

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

The city dominance on the county senior team in those periods was stronger aswell. I think in 98 Mount sion had something like 11 on the panel and Ballygunner a significant number also, DLS came strong then in the early noughties. This brought a larger following from the city as they would have felt more of a connection to the team. The All Ireland defeat in 08, followed by recession, and a wider spread of rural clubs being represented meant that city support has faded largely. Given that the city is effectively 50% of the county's population this has an impact

Interesting point and not one I've heard before

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Yet when Ballygunner play Munster semi finals in Walsh Park there’s barely anyone there or a whisper from the ‘home’ crowd and the away fans drown them out just like at the weekend.

Mastermcgrath

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Yet when Ballygunner play Munster semi finals in Walsh Park there’s barely anyone there or a whisper from the ‘home’ crowd and the away fans drown them out just like at the weekend.

There's bigger crowds watching Ballygunners u8's tournaments than there is at their senior games

blueflame

I would be one of the first to criticize the level of attendances at games, but even if we are only talking about a hard core of 1,500 supporters, (which would be commensurate with most counties of our size, especially given the beatings we have taken) that is still a lot of people to be letting down. The Armchair or band wagon Supporter is necessary to fill big games, and they will give out and moan about tickets, but the genuine supporter travels the length and breadth of the country not for the trip but to support the team. They live every minute of every game, they wish they were good enough, young enough or old enough to have that chance, they train and prepare young lads, promote the game locally and they put their hand in their pocket time and time again to support these players. Remember this is not a team who have been left to rot, or have been deprived, they have only recently returned from a training camp in Portugal, much of which was funded by these supporters one way or another.

The bandwagon and armchair lads most likely sat down Sunday night and had a moan and drank a few pints, while the genuine supporter was I am sure sick to their teeth and upset by what they had seen. Many of them will have felt the pain every bit as much the players, maybe even more because they could do nothing about it. These were the people that were left down and given the finger by the team on the pitch, and possibly by their conduct afterwards - I say possibly and will not make more definitive comment as i did not witness this conduct personally and have discovered over the years that second hand reports can be very unreliable.

I only hope that show a far higher degree of self- respect and respect for their true supporters next Saturday evening and prove to everyone that there is a future for this team.

Therustynail

I think Derek McGrath knew that he had taken this team as far as he could. We are probably not as bad as we showed in previous 3 games but we were probably not as good as some people thought for last number of years. Truth lies somewhere in the middle. Previous poster who mentioned that we have forwards of the quality of Harnedy & Lehane of Cork need to get their head examined. We simply don't have the forwards to win an All-Ireland at present. We don't have forwards that can win their own ball consistently and we don't have frightening pace to frighten defenses either. I'm afraid at this stage some of our Minor / U21 stars will not make the grade for senior intercounty. As for the team going out and having a few drinks Sunday , people need to remember they are amateur. Not one of them signed up for intercounty hurling this year to look down the barrel of three losses and being out of Championship by 1st week June. I don't blame them in the slightest. I think management should go after Saturday and if we are serious about winning All- Irelands in the future , we need 5 & 10 year plans with some foresight. Not holding my breath with current administrators in Waterford GAA.

willbeuptuesday

Lads the buzz has gone out of hurling in this county for a while, the attendances at club games is pathetic and our county finals must be the poorest supported in Ireland. I know we had over 3500 last year because it was Abbeysides first final in a while but normally it would be lower than that. We have no sense of occasion at our finals, when was the last time you saw a parade before the final? This does not happen in other counties, there is a general malaise towards Gaa at the moment. Our championships are really not that competitive, you can loose two rounds and still qualify. We have no leagues worth talking about, I'll have money with anyone willing to bet that this years leagues wont finish. Does this happen in other counties? We need to come up with meaningful competitions which capture the imagination of the players and supports alike. The only way to develop players is in good hard competitive games. I know I have being banging on about this for a while but we need a sub committee of independent people who will do a root and branch review of Waterford hurling from U6 to Senior and develop a plan that will help us to compete on a consistent basis. If this has been done before can anyone post a link to it, if it has n't why so? We need to reflect on the current situation with a bit of maturity and come up with solid solutions for the good of Waterford Gaa.

TheScoringGoal

I'm pretty sure there was a row with the band a few years ago. Something along the lines of having to sit in wet seats so they wouldn't play the next time. Just another glorious chapter for our administratiors.

Cornerstoner

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/the-man-who-prepared-the-limerick-rocket-for-moon-landing-925148.html

You only need to read this article to realise how far behind we have fallen in every aspect. Compare this to our current set up, starting at underage and right up to the senior set up and the County Board. Its actually frightening

hurler on de ditch

Therustynail wrote: »

I think Derek McGrath knew that he had taken this team as far as he could. We are probably not as bad as we showed in previous 3 games but we were probably not as good as some people thought for last number of years. Truth lies somewhere in the middle. Previous poster who mentioned that we have forwards of the quality of Harnedy & Lehane of Cork need to get their head examined. We simply don't have the forwards to win an All-Ireland at present. We don't have forwards that can win their own ball consistently and we don't have frightening pace to frighten defenses either. I'm afraid at this stage some of our Minor / U21 stars will not make the grade for senior intercounty. As for the team going out and having a few drinks Sunday , people need to remember they are amateur. Not one of them signed up for intercounty hurling this year to look down the barrel of three losses and being out of Championship by 1st week June. I don't blame them in the slightest. I think management should go after Saturday and if we are serious about winning All- Irelands in the future , we need 5 & 10 year plans with some foresight. Not holding my breath with current administrators in Waterford GAA.

I think Derek mc Grath would be still there ,so know he didn't think he'd taken them as far as he can ,you keep banging on about how many scores we get and the terrible forwards .in the Clare and tipp games we scored 40 points ,the backs are well and truely the problem ,poor everywhere ( ball winning ,distribution, slow getting the ball up the field,loosing possession way to easy )and when it eventually arrives in the forward line we are marked out of it .the positioning of AG is terrible .the absolute blind confidence in TDB is amazing ,(after his young player of the year he has disappointed the most , Philip Mahoney ,Conor Gleeson are not wing backs ,they're sticky but thats it .etc etc .too many fellas on the panel with years that have not progressed at all , need a serious clean out .mc Nulty,DFives,O'Brien, DJ,Brick,K Moran, etc etc in my eyes any forward deserves another chance to prove themselves in a team that actually wants to play them , as alluded to earlier the management team is horrendous .not sure if any of them has ever coached a winning team at any age group .of course I'm open to correction on that one

willbeuptuesday

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/the-man-who-prepared-the-limerick-rocket-for-moon-landing-925148.html

Brilliant article which accurately reflects where we are at the moment, it is a long read but well worth it. I have taken this paragraph out for people to read, what's the chances of this happening in Waterford, they are taking about Divisional boards doing their own thing "You couldn’t call a development squad session for a Tuesday night because the South Board might have games on that night, or a Thursday because the West Board had games then. For a co-ordinated games programme and training schedule, the divisional boards would need to be scrapped, at least at senior level. O’Dea’s task was akin to asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.

Suffice to say, the turkeys didn’t like the idea. When they met with one particular divisional board, the delegates one by one stood up and announced that as a form of protest, they were walking out the door. “We were left sitting there with our presentation, yet to open our mouths!”

But eventually they were persuaded back into the room. And to listen. And in the end to vote for Christmas. Because it was what was best for Limerick.

hardybuck

I'm gone from playing a few years myself, but I'd love to get the views of an adult club player in here too. They must be the most sickened group of all with the season so all over the place.

Would I be right in saying that right now a senior club hurler has played only about 5 games across all competitions after six months of the year?

If the club scene is dead, people in the communities aren't going to be in or around their clubs, and they're less likely to be excited about the county team either.

freedominacup

Cornerstoner wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/the-man-who-prepared-the-limerick-rocket-for-moon-landing-925148.html

You only need to read this article to realise how far behind we have fallen in every aspect. Compare this to our current set up, starting at underage and right up to the senior set up and the County Board. Its actually frightening

Read that article from start to finish. He had to start a the most basic of basic levels. There's no shortcut really. You actually have to accept that every player currently on any county squad is on their way out the door waiting to be replaced by kids who can't execute a jab lift properly yet.

You have to change the mindset of a lot of underage coaches. How many of ye have been in bord na nog meetings where the coaches of last years u14b champions are agitating strongly that their team isn't good enough to play in this years u15A competition. Some silverware of any type is preferable to them than taking their lumps and pushing the group they're coaching to a higher level. "B specials" a former underage coach referred to them as. I was speaking to another guy who split an underage group in a large club basically alphabetically and insisted on entering two A teams. There was war. Club and parents throwing toys out of the pram.

The adult section of clubs has to take a much more proactive role in the juvenile section esp with group teams. Too easy to just let whoever is interested at it. Leads to u8s not getting a jersey because they weren't named on the panel for a blitz. The coach in question was very focused on the development of the starting midfielder for Waterford in the first round of the 2024 Munster championship (aka his own youngfella). He was left at it until the youngfella started taking a greater interest in soccer a few years later.

If we are waiting for a development messiah we'll be having similar conversations for a long time to come.

JesusRef

When you look at the backroom team it is lightweight alright.
Tipp have Eamonn OShea in to work on forward movement and space creation, He worked with Callanan in 2016 on a one on one basis, Callanan was u real that year.

Galway, even though they aren't going will this year, have Kieran Donaghy in apparently to do with forward movement.

Cork have Kieran Murphy, a cute forward who didn't survive because of size and pace but because of guile, they also had Doug howlett in at the start of the year. (Last year in thurles cork had a innovative bunch and break tactic in the forward line, hard to see on tv but it was like they dragged all the Waterford backs close to the sweeper in the middle of the pitch and then broke to the sides, almost impossible to mark and totally rules out the sweeper)

Who do we have to help with this kind of forward movement? It seems no one the last while... a lot of our coaches even at club level were defenders and defensive focussed.... So a sweeper to protect the backs... ballygunner will play a sweeper against a team they are beating a team by 20 points...

Surely Paul Flynn would be an asset in terms of forward movement (Twirls Jamie), at one stage on Sunday Tommy Ryan went back to his old habits of waiting behind a Limerick defender waiting for him to miss the ball only for it to be intercepted... wouldn't happen if Flynn was involved

The players are young men and Derek was a huge influence on them, but it is time to try something new, basically anyone that was critical of Derek (like Flynn) was branded a spoofer and the players didn't want them, the players need to realise the there is more than just the right way.

Teams have figured us out, Limerick carried the ball into our half back line with short passes, negating the sweeper and scoring from there...

I'd hate to be a Waterford forward on that panel, constantly outnumbered their confidence is shot, at every level outside senior they have proved themselves superior to their peers (some dominant displays at fitzgibbon), but at senior they are going backwards at a rate of knots....


I would play

Prunty FB, Callum Lyons beside him,

Austin CB - leave him there (tadhg gives shyte ball into the forwards, Austin gave great ball at underage)

Conor Gleeson and Shane Bennett - Midfield

Jamie Barron as an elusive CF who can drift, get on the ball and score, He can also suck in 2/3 opposition players and go past them.

Try and find a big man who can move to go full forward, get Paddy Curran into the team and stick with him, give these lads a proper chance.

Have a cull on the panel, we had decent U21 teams the last few years, none of them can stink up the place as bad as last weekend

hardybuck

freedominacup wrote: »

Read that article from start to finish. He had to start a the most basic of basic levels. There's no shortcut really. You actually have to accept that every player currently on any county squad is on their way out the door waiting to be replaced by kids who can't execute a jab lift properly yet.

You have to change the mindset of a lot of underage coaches. How many of ye have been in bord na nog meetings where the coaches of last years u14b champions are agitating strongly that their team isn't good enough to play in this years u15A competition. Some silverware of any type is preferable to them than taking their lumps and pushing the group they're coaching to a higher level. "B specials" a former underage coach referred to them as. I was speaking to another guy who split an underage group in a large club basically alphabetically and insisted on entering two A teams. There was war. Club and parents throwing toys out of the pram.

The adult section of clubs has to take a much more proactive role in the juvenile section esp with group teams. Too easy to just let whoever is interested at it. Leads to u8s not getting a jersey because they weren't named on the panel for a blitz. The coach in question was very focused on the development of the starting midfielder for Waterford in the first round of the 2024 Munster championship (aka his own youngfella). He was left at it until the youngfella started taking a greater interest in soccer a few years later.

If we are waiting for a development messiah we'll be having similar conversations for a long time to come.

I know one of my nephews who plays U9 has stopped enjoying the game and will probably leave it to focus on the other sports he plays due to the totally unsuitable guys they have on the line.

The mentors in fairness are giving their time because their sons are involved, but you'd want to hear the rubbish they shout at kids - everything is do or die.

This would be a classic example of the senior side of the club maybe a bit complacent in terms of leaving underage sections off to their own devices.

thesultan

Road-Hog wrote: »

Road-Hog wrote: »

Where were these two in the semi in 2017......

What about Clare after yesterday.......they are not gone yet but most likely will join Waterford next weekend......is there talk of Clare becoming the next offay by their ‘fans’

Who recalls the defeat to Wexford in 2003......I remember dan being slated as much as gleeson is now......he disappeared but came back to form again eventually and won hurler of year....!

Big Dan was always slated prior to the 2004 championship. It was only post to it that he became the player that he is now known for..

thesultan

Road-Hog wrote: »

Road-Hog wrote: »

Where were these two in the semi in 2017......

What about Clare after yesterday.......they are not gone yet but most likely will join Waterford next weekend......is there talk of Clare becoming the next offay by their ‘fans’

Who recalls the defeat to Wexford in 2003......I remember dan being slated as much as gleeson is now......he disappeared but came back to form again eventually and won hurler of year....!

Big Dan was always slated prior to the 2004 championship. It was only post to it that he became the player that he is now known for..

Spatters

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Lads the buzz has gone out of hurling in this county for a while, the attendances at club games is pathetic and our county finals must be the poorest supported in Ireland. I know we had over 3500 last year because it was Abbeysides first final in a while but normally it would be lower than that. We have no sense of occasion at our finals, when was the last time you saw a parade before the final? This does not happen in other counties, there is a general malaise towards Gaa at the moment. Our championships are really not that competitive, you can loose two rounds and still qualify. We have no leagues worth talking about, I'll have money with anyone willing to bet that this years leagues wont finish. Does this happen in other counties? We need to come up with meaningful competitions which capture the imagination of the players and supports alike. The only way to develop players is in good hard competitive games. I know I have being banging on about this for a while but we need a sub committee of independent people who will do a root and branch review of Waterford hurling from U6 to Senior and develop a plan that will help us to compete on a consistent basis. If this has been done before can anyone post a link to it, if it has n't why so? We need to reflect on the current situation with a bit of maturity and come up with solid solutions for the good of Waterford Gaa.

Agree with you
Don’t forget, it was a double header that day also. So attendance that day was skewed.

willbeuptuesday

Just reading through a Forum Titled 'Disgraceful Waterford' on Hogan Stand, Jesus there is some poisonous people out there who hate us. The last post was interesting-

" Time for structural change in Waterford, if you want to see change that will enable us to develop Gaa I. Waterford please sign this petition and share it with people who care about our future.

http://chng.it/XtTrdLkvLw
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Not sure if the link will work I just copied and pasted it from their site.

conor05

Spatters wrote: »

willbeuptuesday wrote: »

Lads the buzz has gone out of hurling in this county for a while, the attendances at club games is pathetic and our county finals must be the poorest supported in Ireland. I know we had over 3500 last year because it was Abbeysides first final in a while but normally it would be lower than that. We have no sense of occasion at our finals, when was the last time you saw a parade before the final? This does not happen in other counties, there is a general malaise towards Gaa at the moment. Our championships are really not that competitive, you can loose two rounds and still qualify. We have no leagues worth talking about, I'll have money with anyone willing to bet that this years leagues wont finish. Does this happen in other counties? We need to come up with meaningful competitions which capture the imagination of the players and supports alike. The only way to develop players is in good hard competitive games. I know I have being banging on about this for a while but we need a sub committee of independent people who will do a root and branch review of Waterford hurling from U6 to Senior and develop a plan that will help us to compete on a consistent basis. If this has been done before can anyone post a link to it, if it has n't why so? We need to reflect on the current situation with a bit of maturity and come up with solid solutions for the good of Waterford Gaa.

Agree with you
Don’t forget, it was a double header that day also. So attendance that day was skewed.

That’s very low. I have attended 3 or 4 Kerry hurling county finals over the years between Lixnaw, Kilmoyley, Ballyduff etc and the attendance would be between 4K to 5,000 for a Stand alone final.

5948ai

Club finals used to draw big attendances in the late nineties and into the noughties, especially during the Mount Sion - Ballygunner tussles. They used to be around the 10/11k mark at the height. It's been steadily falling since unfortunately... mainly due to the Gunners dominance and a bit of supporter fatigue in general. As stated here previously that 08 hammering by KK really did turnoff the casual fan in the county.... A lot have not turned back on unfortunately!