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_blaaz

blueflame wrote: »

20 point and 13 point Leinster final defeats can hardly be considered success!!

The point I am making is that much of the discussion on here has centered about our lack of underage success and restructuring it when in fact our problem is what is happening at senior rank

Id be hoping in medium term we'd achieve more success than laois??


Not to knock em/eddie brennen,but i cant see where they go.from.here.....they arent going to win leinster title in next 5 years like....best case is maybe catch kk,wex or most likely galway out in a dogfight

I hate to seem dismissive esp,given the low ebb we are at(realistically mcdonagh cup and below laois based on this year performances)....but we should be aiming to achieve what the tipps,limericks,kks etc are achieving not excusing poor underage structure because laois have a fantastic manager who gets absolute max outta the players

TheScoringGoal

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

I would start with Gleeson in that case. Classic example of someone who thinks he’s bigger than everything and everyone else. Plays for himself and not the team, yet supporters are supposed to accept his sulking attitude and bow down to him because he won hurler of the year? We had enough Prima Donnas in the previous team 98 to 08 who had all the talent but not the mentality and ultimately we kept failing to land the big one. Looks like we are going to have to sit and watch it all over again, either someone comes in capable of sorting him out or he goes.

Did he tell you that he think's he's bigger than the team and everyone else? Because if you knew anything about him and what he's like in the build up to games you'd realise how stupid a comment that is. Even watch what he puts himself through when he makes a mistake. Just the smallest amount of observation ridicules that statement.

He didn't play well this year. Although against Clare he hit 4 against Clare and played well that day but there seems to be some expectation that he needs to achieve higher standards than everyone else. I didn't see Shefflin or Cusack highlighting who ran from the half way line to get closest to Conlan for the Clare goal that day but had no issue highlighting a non-issue when he trusted that one of the 4 Waterford players 5 yards ahead of him against Limerick would have a better chance so he went to the wing to receive a pass if the ball turns over like all teams do. Against Tipp he was the only player deliberately man marked and border line fouled whenever the ball crossed the half way line. He came over the to the Waterford selectors relatively early to advise of this and asked about bringing Brendan Maher inside as he may not be comfortable at full back. He got the same reaction he got when up in Parnell Park he asked what to do about Danny Sutcliffe dropping deep, a blank look. He was poor against Limerick but he was one of many who could have been taken off, the issue there was more than one player. And even then when he was in full forward he got no ball for 10 mins.

I can see why he was moved up to the half forward line as Dublin showed how weak we were. But the only time he ever looked good up there was when two things happened, he played deeper (outside of puck outs he was midfield) and with players withdrawn he had space to move into. Both suit as he's at his best moving onto the ball. But in a familiar theme the man who created this situation within a system will never get credit for it.

A long post to dismiss a ridiculous statement but it seems any GAA player who dares to use his image (that he earns through the hours he puts in) is slated.

mountgomery burns

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

. Against Tipp he was the only player deliberately man marked and border line fouled whenever the ball crossed the half way line. He came over the to the Waterford selectors relatively early to advise of this and asked about bringing Brendan Maher inside as he may not be comfortable at full back. He got the same reaction he got when up in Parnell Park he asked what to do about Danny Sutcliffe dropping deep, a blank look. He was poor against Limerick but he was one of many who could have been taken off, the issue there was more than one player. And even then when he was in full forward he got no ball for 10 mins.
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Just curious on this one, is this something you were told or was it based on observation? Fairly damning if true

TheScoringGoal

I assume that you mean asking for advice on Sutcliffe and suggesting it against Tipp?

The former was visible on the day. Because it was a league game there may have been a reason the management didn't intervene. Although disappointingly it foreshadowed a similar issue against Clare when Tadhg was neither sweeper nor centre back nor marking Tony Kelly.

I was told about the latter but again it was clear what he was saying from watching him as he was constantly being held off the ball so if he goes inside that sort of contact is more likely to get frees.

Stopitwillya

Scoring goal, all very valid points that I would agree with apart from " But in a familiar theme the man who created this situation within a system will never get credit for it"

Are you saying McGrath's system got the best out of gleeson?

TheScoringGoal

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Scoring goal, all very valid points that I would agree with apart from " But in a familiar theme the man who created this situation within a system will never get credit for it"

Are you saying McGrath's system got the best out of gleeson?

I don't know because Austin is 24 this year which means that he shouldn't have reached his ceiling yet.

Personally I'd like him centre back or midfield where he has played well for his club this year. But in my opinion Derek McGrath got more out of Austin as a "forward" (previous post explains why I put in the inverted commas) than any other manager has. And that happened because a system was developed to play to his strengths braking forward. Not just him, Kevin Moran and Jamie Barron being two others that it suited.

Unfortunately (and this is not directed at the poster asking the question) it was far too easy for some to just say we play with extra defenders and there was no more to it. I'm not saying it was the perfect set up or even the best for us. But it was far more complex and beneficial than some realise.

PTH2009

Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

Fri 26th July
Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

Sun 28th July
Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places

EYEBALLSOUT

Great win Lowry today. He surely has some Waterford roots that we can cling to??

windy shepard henderson

EYEBALLSOUT wrote: »

Great win Lowry today. He surely has some Waterford roots that we can cling to??

it probably wouldn't matter , he has loads of offaly roots at the moment and look where that got them

deiseach

Things are not as bad as I feared if people can say with a straight face that we'd be improved by getting shot of Austin Gleeson.

Gavlor

deiseach wrote: »

Things are not as bad as I feared if people can say with a straight face that we'd be improved by getting shot of Austin Gleeson.

We would be better off without the 2018 & 2019 editions of young Gleeson.

We’d be better with the 2017 version.

It’s up to him really

TheScoringGoal

Gavlor wrote: »

We would be better off without the 2018 & 2019 editions of young Gleeson.

We’d be better with the 2017 version.

It’s up to him really

The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.

Gavlor

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.

There’s a big difference between commitment and attitude.

mountgomery burns

To be fair, he shouldn't be criticized for 2018. He was arguably the best player on the pitch before he went off against Tipp in Thurles last February and then struggled with injury for 3 months.

It was mentioned here how he was on one leg when he played for Mt Sion scoring a goal, not sure if directly before or after the championship. But he was captapulted into play against Tipp having not played the previous week at all.

If people are having a go at him over that then it does speak volumes that the man is being scapegoated. He can definitely do a lot better than this year, hes far from alone in that however. Some of his 2013 minor counterparts for example seem to be able to fly under the radar when it comes to criticism of individuals. They're lucky Austin was as good as he was from 2014-2017.

thesaturdayman

farcical scenes in kill last night, few minutes before portlaw and ballygunner due to take the field, the game was called off due to the fog.

now i appreciate that adverse weather conditions can happen at short notice.

It doesnt however, explain to me why players had to wait all weekend to play an intermediate hurling game on the Sunday evening? what was wrong with the Saturday or Friday?

Same next weekend, SH games on a sunday evening - down in fraher field again.

Seems ridiculous scheduling, PJR was on radio Saturday saying his own preference is for games on a sunday evening as it gets a bigger crowd must be badly stuck for the few quid as there appears to be zero respect for players time and livelihood.

In my experience a Saturday night is best time for a champ game, keep the semis and finals for a Sunday or whatever.

Also on a side note, whats with the distinct lack of usage in Walsh park over last few years & in particularly this season?

Of the 25 games or so scheduled this season in Senior Champ between Fraher and Walsh Park - Fraher has gotten 20 (11 hurling 9 football) of them and Walsh Park only 5 (all hurling)

The above trend is in line with 2018 also, 50 games scheduled between FF & WP in 2018, 42 were played in Fraher (21 hurling & 21 football) the remaining 8 were played in Walsh Park all Senior hurling

cul beag

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

Fri 26th July
Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

Sun 28th July
Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places

Predictions for the weekend games:
Dungarvan
DLS
Abbeyside
Mt Sion
Passage
Ballygunner

Deiseen

thesaturdayman wrote: »

farcical scenes in kill last night, few minutes before portlaw and ballygunner due to take the field, the game was called off due to the fog.

now i appreciate that adverse weather conditions can happen at short notice.

It doesnt however, explain to me why players had to wait all weekend to play an intermediate hurling game on the Sunday evening? what was wrong with the Saturday or Friday?

Same next weekend, SH games on a sunday evening - down in fraher field again.

Seems ridiculous scheduling, PJR was on radio Saturday saying his own preference is for games on a sunday evening as it gets a bigger crowd must be badly stuck for the few quid as there appears to be zero respect for players time and livelihood.

In my experience a Saturday night is best time for a champ game, keep the semis and finals for a Sunday or whatever.

Also on a side note, whats with the distinct lack of usage in Walsh park over last few years & in particularly this season?

Of the 25 games or so scheduled this season in Senior Champ between Fraher and Walsh Park - Fraher has gotten 20 (11 hurling 9 football) of them and Walsh Park only 5 (all hurling)

The above trend is in line with 2018 also, 50 games scheduled between FF & WP in 2018, 42 were played in Fraher (21 hurling & 21 football) the remaining 8 were played in Walsh Park all Senior hurling

Walsh park is being upgraded so they obviously planned games in for elsewhere during the work. Oh wait.......

PTH2009

Deiseen wrote: »

Walsh park is being upgraded so they obviously planned games in for elsewhere during the work. Oh wait.......

Farcical tbh but nothing new really

mickotallow

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

Fri 26th July
Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

Sun 28th July
Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places

I thought the two last games in the same group had to be played at the same time.

BazBox

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.

I beat her fair and square ok

emergingstar

Liam Cahills name should be in the hat if there is a potential for a new manager

mountgomery burns

emergingstar wrote: »

Liam Cahills name should be in the hat if there is a potential for a new manager

Tipp job will be available next year or the year after at which point it will be his

EYEBALLSOUT

That was a great u20 Munster final last night. The big take away for me was both teams ability to win their own ball in the air or on the ground against their opponent.
This has been knocked out of Waterford hurling both at club and county as we have coaches out there who think they are clever than everyone else and coach teams to try to avoid doing this. Last night when Tipp needed a goal, it was a long ball in that was broken down to young Bowe and he flicked it to Morris.

If we go back over any of the tight games in recent past and look what happens in the last 15-20mins in matches- most are launches down on top of the forwards because of tiredness or players just doing what they’ve always done.

Get the basics right first!

thesaturdayman

Any idea why the county board in their infinite wisdom scheduled the senior hurling games in dungarvan for the same time as the opening parade of the world games in Waterford on Sunday evening?

Are they actively trying to discourage people?!

Would it not been a good idea to put them on during the day in Walsh park and let people attend the parade after?

An original idea is evidently beyond them

PTH2009

It is with deep regret that the Board has learned of the passing of Jim Dee former Team Secretary to the Waterford Senior Hurling team.

All in CLG Phort Láirge would like to extend its deepest sympathy to the Dee family at this sad time.

Due to his bereavement tomorrow nights Senior Hurling game between Dungarvan and Clonea has been postponed!

The second game between De la Salle and Ballyduff now goes ahead at 8pm!!

PTH2009

https://www.gaa.ie/worldgames/

Great to be hosting this but say it like organised chaos ha. So much going on on the one pitch ha

I wonder are the American based lads been flown over for the championship games at the weekend

Deise_2012

Which county lads are gone abroad for the summer?

Just wondering if Gleeson is still over in America. Fourmile might be worth a bet at the weekend if so. Fancy Abbeyside to get the better of Roanmore

PTH2009

Dls 3-25- Ballyduff Upper 0-13

DLS into the QFS

Jjjjjjjjbarry

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dls 3-25- Ballyduff Upper 0-13

DLS into the QFS

Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?

PTH2009

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?

Wasant at it just heard the result on the radio

Very one sided game apparently with Jake Dillion doing well

TheScoringGoal

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?

Fagan did well but it was a total mis-match.

Mastermcgrath

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Fagan did well but it was a total mis-match.

This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.

TheScoringGoal

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.

I wouldn't argue about the specifics as another poster previously mentioned that we should reduce the amount of senior teams and have an all county premier intermediate championship which would also be an improvement. However your overall point is spot on.

DiscoStew

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.

This system is in place in Limerick and seems to work quite well. Definitely worth trying. Teams that finish bottom of their group of 3 as it is now can still win the championship. In theory a team could lose all 3 group games, win 4 knockout games and win the competition. Doesn’t seem right. If we were to look at 2 groups of 6 going off last years standings you would have Group A of something like:
Ballygunner
Abbeyside
Dls
Passage
Roanmore
Mount Sion

Group B of
Clonea
Ballyduff Upper
Fourmilewater
Lismore
Tallow
Dungarvan

Tallow and Dungarvan may feel hard done by there but that’s calculated off scoring difference from quarter final results last year. Perhaps there is a better way of calculating which of the 4 losing quarter finalists go into each group.

In terms of relegation I don’t know how it works in Limerick. Is it the bottom 2 teams in Group B go straight into the relegation final or do the bottom 4 teams simply play off in relegation semis.
It’s a system we should certainly be looking at implementing but I’m not sure the board have the will power to move away from the current system as the shorter fixture schedule is working for them.

PTH2009

Been said and will be said again but were miles off today's standard and something needs to happen

We may never see Croke Park again if we dont sort this out

Stopitwillya

PTH2009 wrote: »

Been said and will be said again but were miles off today's standard and something needs to happen

We may never see Croke Park again if we dont sort this out

Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.

ovalu

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.

100% agree, look at Conor Browne excellent today midfield for Kilkenny, Colm Roche was probably a bigger player for UCC than Browne this year yet he couldn't even get in the Waterford match day 26,
We've plenty players from the U21 sides from 2015 to 2018 to compete with Kilkenny, Limerick etc, this year's management a disaster unfortunately

PTH2009

ovalu wrote: »

this year's management a disaster unfortunately

And they will be in charge for 2020

Stopitwillya

ovalu wrote: »

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.

100% agree, look at Conor Browne excellent today midfield for Kilkenny, Colm Roche was probably a bigger player for UCC than Browne this year yet he couldn't even get in the Waterford match day 26,
We've plenty players from the U21 sides from 2015 to 2018 to compete with Kilkenny, Limerick etc, this year's management a disaster unfortunately

Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.

deise08

World GAA games.

Great seeing all the different nationalities around town the past few days. Looking forward to the parade and the few acts in John Roberts Square later.
Hopefully they get a good welcome.

Dammo

Irrespective of who’s on the line, once you’re on the field in a Waterford jersey you should be bursting a gut for 70+ minutes. Look at the way Limerick hauled their way back into last nights game despite playing so poorly for most of the first half.

Going by our gutless capitulations this year, KK would have put a similar score to 2008 on us last night.

Comerman

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Jerry Atrick

Comerman wrote: »

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What are the odds...was looking for one with those exact initials too!

Comerman

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

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upthedeise16

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.

Billy Nolan at wing forward??? I’m afraid playing well and hitting a few scores in the Waterford club championship doesn’t equate to being an intercounty standard wing forward. Nolan is a superb goalkeeper but wouldn’t have near the required fitness and physique to play outfield.

Stopitwillya

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.

Billy Nolan at wing forward??? I’m afraid playing well and hitting a few scores in the Waterford club championship doesn’t equate to being an intercounty standard wing forward. Nolan is a superb goalkeeper but wouldn’t have near the required fitness and physique to play outfield.

He can catch a ball and score a point. Has as much ability out the pitch as on goal. Fitness can be worked on. He has potential to be a very good forward. Would you prefer we continue with Peter Hogan and Kearney?

Deiseen

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.

In almost every game he plays, Maurice either see's red or is extremely lucky not to get a red.

He is an out and out liability so whatever his talent, i honestly don't think he should ever play another game for Waterford.

If he can cop himself on then brilliant but I've given up hope at this stage.

Stopitwillya

Deiseen wrote: »

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.

In almost every game he plays, Maurice either see's red or is extremely lucky not to get a red.

He is an out and out liability so whatever his talent, i honestly don't think he should ever play another game for Waterford.

If he can cop himself on then brilliant but I've given up hope at this stage.

Down to frustration and why wouldn't he be playing as a forward, who is severely outnumbered. Surely this was evident to you in the 1st half versus Limerick this year. I think he was up against 4 that day on his own in the forward line and Waterford with a gale. Crazy stuff.
Yet for Lismore he hurls with a smile and puts up big scores in all their games.

upthedeise16

Stopitwillya wrote: »

He can catch a ball and score a point. Has as much ability out the pitch as on goal. Fitness can be worked on. He has potential to be a very good forward. Would you prefer we continue with Peter Hogan and Kearney?

No, I wouldn’t go with Kearney (Hogan generally played in the corner), I would see Foran, Jack Prendergast, Maurice, Colm Roche, Jack Fagan are much more viable options than Nolan however.
A puckout strategy is vital as the goalkeeper will have unpressurized possession at least 20-25 times in each match. If the movement is good to create space and the puckouts are drilled, you don’t have to have huge men in the half forward line. Your goalkeeper has to play ball to favour your type of forward but looking at Waterford this year, there didn’t seem to be any puckout strategy.

Stopitwillya

Hogan was named corner forward whenever he started but was always out around midfield. Not up to senior intercounty standard I'm afraid.