Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Gavlor

conor05 wrote: »

And while Ballygunnar are a super club they were made look very ordinary by Ballyhale shamrocks last year.

I think Munster senior club hurling is weak compared to the Leinster clubs and Galway clubs with the exception of the Limerick senior clubs.

In the last 30 years the Leinster clubs have won 14 All Ireland’s between Kilkenny, Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, 12 times by the Galway clubs, 4 x Munster clubs and 1 x Antrim

And that affects the Waterford u12 to senior championships how?

cul beag

Spatters wrote: »

Its good and it’s not good! Good from the point of view that they are raising the standards, not good from the point of view of the Waterford Senior setup in so far as standard of Sr Club hurling- quality is a problem. With all Ballygunner dominance, they are not exactly sending top class Intercounty hurlers to the County team like they were one time with Frampton, Hartley and of course Paul Flynn and yet they are beating SENIOR clubs in Waterford by 10pts+. Just tells the story of where the standard of hurling in Waterford is. Some of the Senior clubs are intermediate at best!

Ballygunner will beat DLS by 6/7 pts pulling up.
They’ll win the minor also- and no one will lay a glove on them!
They are only getting better again with all these young lads coming on stream.

Again, with all the success we’re not getting the top Quality players from this great club at minor, u20(no one on the team this yr) and Senior. As I said, it tells its own story

The problem for the rest of the chasing clubs is probably numbers. Mt. Sion, Roanmore and DLS are all pulling from the same area while Erin’s Own are limited also. Head out the west and you have Dungarvan underage in tatters since Pat Curran stepped away and they’re now competing in Div 3 championships. Lismore/St. Carthage’s are relatively competitive but they cannot produce it yearly due to lack of numbers. Which leaves Abbeyside being the most likely to produce a sustained effort in the future because of the high volume of kids coming through with several former county players getting involved there as they have moved into the area.
By the way it seems MT Sion are definitely getting their house in order as they’re contesting a lot of semi finals and finals at underage which is good to see also.
All you can hope for is to be competitive at underage and try to bring those through to the senior team but in Ballygunner’s case,because of the high volume of kids and success now breeding more success there, i can’t see them being toppled for a long time to come.
Take Tallow Ballyduff Upper Lismore(all senior) Cappoquin Ballysaggart Shamrocks(all intermediate) Tourin Mellerary(all junior) there are 9 clubs all within 20 mins of each other or less, all trying to compete at different levels and the player pool getting smaller and smaller for all of them. Personally I believe for any of these to be considered as a threat in years to come I believe they will have to be amalgamations or they won’t survive. The same for all country clubs in the county will eventually happen as a high percentage of the young people are moving away rather than moving back to settle down.

tommylad1212

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

What matches were walkovers given in last week and this week?

Wouldn't say any it's all down to semi finals and finals

Deskjockey

conor05 wrote: »

And while Ballygunnar are a super club they were made look very ordinary by Ballyhale shamrocks last year.

I think Munster senior club hurling is weak compared to the Leinster clubs and Galway clubs with the exception of the Limerick senior clubs.

In the last 30 years the Leinster clubs have won 14 All Ireland’s between Kilkenny, Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, 12 times by the Galway clubs, 4 x Munster clubs and 1 x Antrim

So the Limerick senior clubs are strong but then Ballygunner beat the Limerick Champions na Piarsaigh last year in the Munster Club Championship??
So did na Piarsaigh have a bad day against them, or did Ballygunner just have a bad day vs Ballyhale Shamrocks??

windy shepard henderson

Deskjockey wrote: »

So the Limerick senior clubs are strong but then Ballygunner beat the Limerick Champions na Piarsaigh last year in the Munster Club Championship??
So did na Piarsaigh have a bad day against them, or did Ballygunner just have a bad day vs Ballyhale Shamrocks??

you cant base the standard of a county by how far the winners go in a club championship

the 2010 all ireland football final was played out by a team from antrim and a team from clare , both division 4 football counties at the time

thurles sarsfields lack of munster club championships has hardly affected tipperary hurling despite there club dominance over the years either

Mastermcgrath

Road-Hog wrote: »

There was something very strange about the u20 squad this year......it looked like there was some sort of boycott of the teM by eastern clubs....?

In the Ballygunner area there is room for at least another club but no one brave enough to do it....Ballinakill gaels maybe or could we have a Na Piarsaigh or even a Williamstown emmets......take u16 or minor......Ballygunner could probably field 3 teams what happens the surplus players.....they more than likely give up....?

it was just an extremely weak group in general, they were hammered by an average of 25 points in their 3 games at minor 2 years ago so the management decided not to pick many of that group and go for the next 2 age groups down who were more competitive, with a view to having a stronger team next year and the following, instead of putting the same group of lads out to the sword again. Truth is some of the lads from the city clubs didn’t bother making themselves available as they knew they were going to be hammered either way . It was almost used as a development squad and I think a good decision as well have a stronger team for it next year

Mastermcgrath

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

you cant base the standard of a county by how far the winners go in a club championship

the 2010 all ireland football final was played out by a team from antrim and a team from clare , both division 4 football counties at the time

thurles sarsfields lack of munster club championships has hardly affected tipperary hurling despite there club dominance over the years either

2012 hurling final teams from Offaly v Antrim....

mountgomery burns

If Ballygunner got a bye in to an all Ireland semi final every year, they'd have won a couple of all Irelands at this stage. Portumna were an exceptional team, St Thomas team from 2013 (I think) is no better than this BG team. Clarenbridge were blessed to beat De La Salle.

Ballyhale and Portumna, similar to Kilkenny, were exceptional teams and not representative of a province as a whole. Cuala recently have taken up the mantle, but it could have been Na Piarsaigh that beat them two years ago either and holding the 2/3 record. Do think Cuala will win it this year, they look excellent again.

JesusRef

cul beag wrote: »

The problem for the rest of the chasing clubs is probably numbers. Mt. Sion, Roanmore and DLS are all pulling from the same area while Erin’s Own are limited also. Head out the west and you have Dungarvan underage in tatters since Pat Curran stepped away and they’re now competing in Div 3 championships. Lismore/St. Carthage’s are relatively competitive but they cannot produce it yearly due to lack of numbers. Which leaves Abbeyside being the most likely to produce a sustained effort in the future because of the high volume of kids coming through with several former county players getting involved there as they have moved into the area.
By the way it seems MT Sion are definitely getting their house in order as they’re contesting a lot of semi finals and finals at underage which is good to see also.
All you can hope for is to be competitive at underage and try to bring those through to the senior team but in Ballygunner’s case,because of the high volume of kids and success now breeding more success there, i can’t see them being toppled for a long time to come.
Take Tallow Ballyduff Upper Lismore(all senior) Cappoquin Ballysaggart Shamrocks(all intermediate) Tourin Mellerary(all junior) there are 9 clubs all within 20 mins of each other or less, all trying to compete at different levels and the player pool getting smaller and smaller for all of them. Personally I believe for any of these to be considered as a threat in years to come I believe they will have to be amalgamations or they won’t survive. The same for all country clubs in the county will eventually happen as a high percentage of the young people are moving away rather than moving back to settle down.

Yep the clubs in the west are too small and they are getting smaller. How Ballyduff, who in.many ages cannot field a team at underage yet have still played senior for so long and won so many senior titles is a unbelievable achievement.... but it seems those days (families with armys of brothers) are gone.

The underage combinations should amalgamate at Adult... but I suspect it could only happen after a nuclear apocalypse.

Tallow and Shamrocks (and possibly Ballyduff)

Cappoquin, Glen Rovers, Tourin, Affane (already almalgamated with Cappoquin, a disaster for Affane football)

Lismore and Ballysaggart

Modeligo, Colligan and St. Marys

Geraldines, Ballinameela and the Brickeys

These are just sugesstions, but it would make it a lot more competitive...

The big disappointment at the moment is Dungarvan, Waterford Huing needs them badly but they have dropped down the divisions underage, they should be up there with Abbeyside and Ballygunnar. Dungarvan actually broke Lismores underage monoply back in the day....

Another is Cappoquin, judging by the juvenile gradings and results it seems they cant fall any lower, there was a real resurgence there in the last few years, produced quality players and this played a factor in getting bcs to harty and Cappoquin senior, but it seems to have fallen apart..... the last 10-15 years at underage proved the know how is there.. its a shame to see it fall away to that level so quickly

At least Lismore and Mt Sion are on the up again.

BloodyBill

DiscoStew wrote: »

If they win the intermediate Ballygunner have the option to have 2 senior teams yes. They can’t represent Waterford in Munster however as they are not a first string team, I believe.

Sixmilebridge had the same issue about 40 years ago. 2 senior teams.They ended up trying to have 1 strong and 1 feeder senior team. It nearly split the club as a great bond in the 2nd team was developed and the 1sts were seen as the enemy..

PTH2009

Busy day today

Western Intermediate Hurling final between Ballysaggart and Ardmore takes place at 2.30. Be good for Ballysaggart and the Bennett brothers to play senior club hurling in Waterford but Ardmore wont lie down easy. They enjoyed there year last year after the AI win no doubt but really knuckled down this year

Eastern Intermediate hurling final Ballygunner Intermediates vs Dunhill at 3.15.

Eastern Junior A hurling final Ballydurn vs Tramore at 1.30

Senior football semis finals also take place
Rathgormack vs Stradbally (5.30)
Ballinacourty vs The Nire (7pm)

PTH2009

East Junior A Hurling Final- Ballydurn 3-14- Tramore 0-12

Ballydurn will play either Abbeyside or St Marys (West Final 12th Oct) in the county Junior A final

awaywithyou

PTH2009 wrote: »

Busy day today

Western Intermediate Hurling final between Ballysaggart and Ardmore takes place at 2.30. Be good for Ballysaggart and the Bennett brothers to play senior club hurling in Waterford but Ardmore wont lie down easy. They enjoyed there year last year after the AI win no doubt but really knuckled down this year

Eastern Intermediate hurling final Ballygunner Intermediates vs Dunhill at 3.15.

Eastern Junior A hurling final Ballydurn vs Tramore at 1.30

Senior football semis finals also take place
Rathgormack vs Stradbally (5.30)
Ballinacourty vs The Nire (7pm)

I presume them intermediate finals are basically county semi finals?? Just asking as the winners of Waterford intermediate play Kerry Senior champions in Munster....

PTH2009

https://twitter.com/tomasmcc/status/1180859457934430208?s=19

cul beag

So we have Ballygunner v Ballysaggart county intermediate final. What are the official permutations regarding Ballygunner if they win it? Do they go up automatically? Do they have a choice? Do they represent Waterford in the Munster club?

PTH2009

cul beag wrote: »

So we have Ballygunner v Ballysaggart county intermediate final. What are the official permutations regarding Ballygunner if they win it? Do they go up automatically? Do they have a choice? Do they represent Waterford in the Munster club?

Finished 3-21-1-9 very impressive by Ballygunner B

Ballysaggart will rep Waterford in Munster not matter the final result

Not sure about who goes up to senior. Having 2 senior teams in Ballygunner would be a bit odd tbh

Spatters

Deskjockey wrote: »

So the Limerick senior clubs are strong but then Ballygunner beat the Limerick Champions na Piarsaigh last year in the Munster Club Championship??
So did na Piarsaigh have a bad day against them, or did Ballygunner just have a bad day vs Ballyhale Shamrocks??

Remember, Ballygunner beat na Piarsaigh of Limerick who had contrsted 2 County Titles, played in 2 All Ireland club final and played in 2 Munster club finals in the space of 24 months plus their top players had won an all ireland with limerick in that time frame also. By the time they got to Ballygunner they were stuck to the ground. I think if they come out of Limerick they’ll go hard at it again.

Ballygunner on the other hand struggled to get over Ballyea and Midelton at home. They’ll win the club championship here but id be surprised if they aren’t turned over in Munster as they are on the road this year and in my opinion not as strong/experienced as last yr.

Club hurling is at an all time low and imo the Co board through game’s development have been piss poor in getting other clubs up to a standard where they can compete with Ballygunner. There’s no one on the Ballygunner team (intermediate/senior) that are top class prospects for Intercounty. The only player who looks a different gravy and can be potentially the next Paul Flynn to come from Ballygunner is Patrick Fitzgerald.

At the moment Ballygunner are blazing a trail (&fair play to them) but other clubs and the Co board need to get their act together cause they are only getting stronger im afraid:-(

Spatters

Patrickswell wins Limerick- If Ballygunner get over DLS it’s wide open for them but it won’t be easy!

Stacksofwacks

If there's 2 Ballygunner teams good enough to play senior then they should be promoted, obviously have them in different groups etc and try and avoid a fixture between the 2 but if they end up meeting a county final so be it

PTH2009

Spatters wrote: »

Patrickswell wins Limerick- If Ballygunner get over DLS it’s wide open for them but it won’t be easy!

Ballygunner/DLS will have to beat the Clare champions before they might face Patrickswell

Sixmilebridge under Davy or Cratloe

awaywithyou

Ballysaggart have home advanatge against our Kerry champions... does anyone know if the game will be in ballysaggart or elsewhere??

PTH2009

awaywithyou wrote: »

Ballysaggart have home advanatge against our Kerry champions... does anyone know if the game will be in ballysaggart or elsewhere??

Probably in Fraher Field

JesusRef

The best Waterford intermediate team should be allowed to go senior and represent the county at munster club, end of!

Road-Hog

Spatters wrote: »

Remember, Ballygunner beat na Piarsaigh of Limerick who had contrsted 2 County Titles, played in 2 All Ireland club final and played in 2 Munster club finals in the space of 24 months plus their top players had won an all ireland with limerick in that time frame also. By the time they got to Ballygunner they were stuck to the ground. I think if they come out of Limerick they’ll go hard at it again.

Ballygunner on the other hand struggled to get over Ballyea and Midelton at home. They’ll win the club championship here but id be surprised if they aren’t turned over in Munster as they are on the road this year and in my opinion not as strong/experienced as last yr.

Club hurling is at an all time low and imo the Co board through game’s development have been piss poor in getting other clubs up to a standard where they can compete with Ballygunner. There’s no one on the Ballygunner team (intermediate/senior) that are top class prospects for Intercounty. The only player who looks a different gravy and can be potentially the next Paul Flynn to come from Ballygunner is Patrick Fitzgerald.

At the moment Ballygunner are blazing a trail (&fair play to them) but other clubs and the Co board need to get their act together cause they are only getting stronger im afraid:-(

How many Paul Flynn, ken Mcgrath etc types have limerick produced in the last ten years.....none I would think.....yet they are/were regarded as unbeatable at start of championship this year. Since 1993 (I think) in the club championship Ballygunner and mt sion have dominated De La Salle won 3 titles and a few other like Passage and Ballyduff upper won one.......yet this past 26 years Waterford have been the most competitive since the 1950’s/60’s.....

PTH2009

Senior football semi final results
Rathgormack 0-14- Stradbally 0-8
Ballinacourty 0-16- The Nire 1-9

conor05

cul beag wrote: »

So we have Ballygunner v Ballysaggart county intermediate final. What are the official permutations regarding Ballygunner if they win it? Do they go up automatically? Do they have a choice? Do they represent Waterford in the Munster club?

No Ballygunnar have a senior club so they can’t represent in Munster even if they win.

The Munster q-final is Ballysaggart v Causeway (Kerry senior champions).

I can’t say I know much about the standard of Kerry hurling.

Mastermcgrath

awaywithyou wrote: »

Ballysaggart have home advanatge against our Kerry champions... does anyone know if the game will be in ballysaggart or elsewhere??

I would imagine it will be Lismore, the local town. Ballysaggarts pitch migt not be big enough

thesultan

Road-Hog wrote: »

How many Paul Flynn, ken Mcgrath etc types have limerick produced in the last ten years.....none I would think.....yet they are/were regarded as unbeatable at start of championship this year. Since 1993 (I think) in the club championship Ballygunner and mt sion have dominated De La Salle won 3 titles and a few other like Passage and Ballyduff upper won one.......yet this past 26 years Waterford have been the most competitive since the 1950’s/60’s.....

We had two teams winning in the 2000s. Now we have one.

PTH2009

conor05 wrote: »

No Ballygunnar have a senior club so they can’t represent in Munster even if they win.

The Munster q-final is Ballysaggart v Causeway (Kerry senior champions).

I can’t say I know much about the standard of Kerry hurling.

Will the same apply to Abbeyside who are in the West Junior A final and If they go on to win the junior A title ??

Ballysaggart with the Bennets could do well in Munster. Only a few years ago lost the AI junior final in a replay

Giveitfong

I see that Kieran Bennett got Man of the Match in the Western Intermediate final and I think he was very good in the semi-final as well. He is an excellent hurler who did well in his senior appearances in 2017 and yet has hardly been seen since. Pádraig Fanning ignored him while sticking with players who, in my view, are clearly inferior. Hopefully he will get a fair crack of the whip from Liam Cahill and he will have further opportunities with Ballysaggart to further showcase his talents. He has been typecast as a defender but he is showing with Ballysaggart that he knows where the posts are.

Cake Man

If Ballygunner can’t go up to senior nor can they represent Waterford in the Munster intermediate championship, does that not basically mean Ballysaggart will be playing senior next year and will represent Waterford in the club championship? So the county final is a bit of a bonus game for them where it doesn’t really matter the outcome?

emergingstar

Cake Man wrote: »

If Ballygunner can’t go up to senior nor can they represent Waterford in the Munster intermediate championship, does that not basically mean Ballysaggart will be playing senior next year and will represent Waterford in the club championship? So the county final is a bit of a bonus game for them where it doesn’t really matter the outcome?

I heard yesterday Ballygunner will be allowed up with 2 seniotr teams and will be kept apart in group stages

Mulbert

emergingstar wrote: »

I heard yesterday Ballygunner will be allowed up with 2 seniotr teams and will be kept apart in group stages

Why would they be kept apart in the group stages. Already they're been treated differently than other teams, possibly gaining an advantage.

TheScoringGoal

Giveitfong wrote: »

I see that Kieran Bennett got Man of the Match in the Western Intermediate final and I think he was very good in the semi-final as well. He is an excellent hurler who did well in his senior appearances in 2017 and yet has hardly been seen since. Pádraig Fanning ignored him while sticking with players who, in my view, are clearly inferior. Hopefully he will get a fair crack of the whip from Liam Cahill and he will have further opportunities with Ballysaggart to further showcase his talents. He has been typecast as a defender but he is showing with Ballysaggart that he knows where the posts are.

Was injured for most of the year.

HelloHello1234

emergingstar wrote: »

I heard yesterday Ballygunner will be allowed up with 2 seniotr teams and will be kept apart in group stages

They have the option to stay down intermidiate also. If they win it twice in a row they automatically have to go up.

If they take the option to have 2 senior teams, they will have to name there panel for the year and they wont be able to take players from the b team to play on the a. similar to thurlas sarsfields this year

hardybuck

PTH2009 wrote: »

Finished 3-21-1-9 very impressive by Ballygunner B

Ballysaggart will rep Waterford in Munster not matter the final result

Not sure about who goes up to senior. Having 2 senior teams in Ballygunner would be a bit odd tbh

How the hell did Dunhill get to the final if they were that far off the pace?

tommylad1212

hardybuck wrote: »

How the hell did Dunhill get to the final if they were that far off the pace?

They beat portlaw in the semi by the same margin, the inter championship is very poor in the east

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Giveitfong wrote: »

I see that Kieran Bennett got Man of the Match in the Western Intermediate final and I think he was very good in the semi-final as well. He is an excellent hurler who did well in his senior appearances in 2017 and yet has hardly been seen since. Pádraig Fanning ignored him while sticking with players who, in my view, are clearly inferior. Hopefully he will get a fair crack of the whip from Liam Cahill and he will have further opportunities with Ballysaggart to further showcase his talents. He has been typecast as a defender but he is showing with Ballysaggart that he knows where the posts are.

What's his best position? I remember Derek blooding him a full back in early league appearances before using him at wing back when needed. Never really sure where he played for club.

I hope Liam Cahill gets the best out of Shane Bennett. I think he would be great out around the middle of the field and not in full forward line. He can link up with his brother without being stuck in beside him.

PTH2009

Any word on Brick coming back for next season ???

Moran prob will give it another year at most

JesusRef

There needs to be an all county intermediate hurling championship pronto

enoughtaken

refreshing to see Michael Duignan going for Chairman of Offaly County Board. Hopefully it may start a trend going in other counties

emergingstar

JesusRef wrote: »

There needs to be an all county intermediate hurling championship pronto

Another propsal i would like to see brought forward this winter

hurler on de ditch

PTH2009 wrote: »

Any word on Brick coming back for next season ???

Moran prob will give it another year at most

hopefully the new manager wont be so sentimental..two of them way past their intercounty best ..way past it!

thesaturdayman

JesusRef wrote: »

There needs to be an all county intermediate hurling championship pronto

but what about the b b b b b boards?

if you listened to the fellas who claim to know what they are talking about the western intermediate hurling championship is the greatest sporting contest since the superbowl / grand national & world cup final combined....

Eastern / Western board Uber Allez

hardybuck

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

hopefully the new manager wont be so sentimental..two of them way past their intercounty best ..way past it!

Is way past their best still better than the alternative options?

hardybuck

emergingstar wrote: »

Another propsal i would like to see brought forward this winter

Are you a member of a club that could bring it forward for you?

PTH2009

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

hopefully the new manager wont be so sentimental..two of them way past their intercounty best ..way past it!

Hard to knw really be nice to have them around for experience etc but will they really be that many inexperienced players in the panel for 2020 ???

A fresh start with for the Cahill era

JesusRef

Maybe a set-up like this (similiar to Cork)

Premier Senior (Ballygunnar, DLS, Mt.Sion, Dungarvan, Lismore, Passage, Abbeyside, Tallow)
Senior A (Roanmore, Clonea, Fourmilewater, Ballyduff, Ballygunnar B, Ballysaggart, Ardmore, Clashmore)
Premier intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Junior A (8 Teams west and east)

Etc etc,

Two groups of four....
Outside of senior it would make for some games and great championships, thereby increasing standards

Stopitwillya

JesusRef wrote: »

Maybe a set-up like this (similiar to Cork)

Premier Senior (Ballygunnar, DLS, Mt.Sion, Dungarvan, Lismore, Passage, Abbeyside, Tallow)
Senior A (Roanmore, Clonea, Fourmilewater, Ballyduff, Ballygunnar B, Ballysaggart, Ardmore, Clashmore)
Premier intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Junior A (8 Teams west and east)

Etc etc,

Two groups of four....
Outside of senior it would make for some games and great championships, thereby increasing standards

Increase standards by creating 4 new group teams from intermediate and junior clubs. Put our 4 GPO's in charge of each area/group team this creating accountability. Do the same for football. Play group team games midweek.

PTH2009

JesusRef wrote: »

Maybe a set-up like this (similiar to Cork)

Premier Senior (Ballygunnar, DLS, Mt.Sion, Dungarvan, Lismore, Passage, Abbeyside, Tallow)
Senior A (Roanmore, Clonea, Fourmilewater, Ballyduff, Ballygunnar B, Ballysaggart, Ardmore, Clashmore)
Premier intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Intermediate (8 Teams west and east)
Junior A (8 Teams west and east)

Etc etc,

Two groups of four....
Outside of senior it would make for some games and great championships, thereby increasing standards

That's makes too much sense for our CB

A certain member doesn't like all this codding on
social media ha.