Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

thesultan

Colm Roche is recovering from a cruciate.

RoyalCelt

PTH2009 wrote: »

Great news about Walsh Park and get the bulldozers in a few days after the Cork Championship game

Is there anyway they could start work before this years Championship moving our league games up to Dungarvan and have a few bits done in time for May ??.

How big a stadium are you looking to build?

DiscoStew

Giveitfong wrote: »

There obviously is much interest in, and speculation about, how much change we will see in the Waterford hurling panel this year under Liam Cahill’s management. Thus far, there has been only limited sign of change. Of the 31 players who togged out for the Munster League games against Cork and Kerry, just nine were newcomers: Iarlaith Daly, Kieran Power, Neil Montgomery, Jack Fagan, Tom Barron, Shaun O’Brien, Dessie Hutchinson, Shane Ryan and MJ Sutton (the only one to get no game time, as far as I am aware). I think Jack Fagan may have been on the extended panel at some stage in the Derek McGrath era, but he is an effective newcomer.

While obviously Cahill excluded a couple of high-profile members from the outgoing panel (Noel Connors and Maurice Shanahan), it appears to have remained mostly intact, apart from those who have retired (Brick Walsh, Philip Mahony, Brian O’Halloran, Shane Bennett). It seems that Thomas Ryan is not on the panel, but I don’t know if he was simply excluded or left of his own volition. I had been of the impression that Darragh Fives had also been left out by Cahill, but some posters here seem to think that he is still in the frame.

Another member of the outgoing panel whose position is unclear is Colm Roche. I am a great admirer of Roche, who I think got a raw deal from both Derek McGrath and Padraig Fanning and is, in my view, a far better hurler than some of the deadwood which is still on the panel (and featured in the recent Munster League games). Apart from his excellent under-age record with Waterford, Roche was a member of the UCC team which won last year’s Fitzgibbon Cup, scoring three points in the final.

Another member of the outgoing panel who has reportedly been in training but who has yet to make an appearance is Michael Harney, and I wonder what is the position regarding him.

We still have to see who from Ballygunner will secure places on the panel, apart from Dessie Hutchinson and Peter Hogan, who played against Kerry. Obviously Pauric Mahony and Stephen O’Keeffe will be involved. It has been reported, but not confirmed (that I am aware of) that Barry Coughlan has returned to the panel. Other players who impressed me during the Gunners’ recent club championship campaign include Ian Kenny, Paddy Leavy, Conor Sheahan, and Billy O’Keeffe.

There are several other players whom I thought would have been worthy of at least getting a chance to state their claims, but of whom there have been no signs. These include Lismore full back David Prendergast, a very talented player who was on the Mary Immaculate College team which got to last year’s Fitzgibbon Cup final; Andrew Casey of Ballyduff Upper, who impressed greatly in the 2018 Under 21 game against Cork and who started for UCC in last Wednesday’s Canon O’Brien Cup game against Cork; and Dungarvan’s John Curran who was a regular on the DCU team which was very unlucky in last year’s Fitzgibbon Cup.

Then there is Colm Roche’s brother Shane who was an ever-present for UCC for three years, and was very impressive whenever I saw him play, but never got a look-in for Waterford. He was on the panel at one stage but dropped out, reportedly due to not getting any game time. I am also thinking of another Shamrocks player, John Paul Lucey, who played for the University of Limerick last year and who has excellent aerial ability. Given the value of players able to win ball in the air, it seems to me that players with this ability (including also DJ Foran) should be made special project players with the aim of developing their general skill levels and physicality. I am reminded of how Ger Loughnane succeeded in converting a very raw Ollie Baker into an outstanding intercounty competitor back in the 1990s.

I expect that Liam Cahill has been using the lead-up to the Munster League in order to get a general look at the lie of the land in terms of available resources and to give members of the outgoing panel a chance to stake a claim for continued membership of the panel. With little chance of relegation in the National Hurling League, I further expect Cahill to continue the experimentation there, but hopefully with the deadwood gone and some further new talent being given an opportunity to show what they can do. In this respect he will probably be looking closely at performances in the Fitzgibbon Cup over the next few weeks, although unfortunately it overlaps with Waterford’s league games against Cork and Westmeath.

Tommy Ryan was dropped by Cahill.
Colm Roche was injured last year, I think it may have been a cruciate injury possibly. He didn’t feature for Shamrocks in their run to the Junior County Football final. Colm hasn’t progressed as a lot of us would have hoped it’s fair to say. He clearly has an awful lot of talent but I wonder is there possibly a lack of desire or application to say he hasn’t featured any way regularly under McGrath or Fanning so far. He definitely has the potential to be a good addition around the middle of the field if he is committed to it.
Barry Coughlan never rejoined the panel unfortunately, I would guess he was invited in. Of the other Ballygunner players mentioned I think Sheahan could be with them now after Philips retirement. Billy O’Keeffe didn’t rejoin the football panel this year as he wanted to prioritise hurling but I’m unsure if that is club or county hurling.
David Prendergast was definitely looked at last year early in the year. Might be worth another look when our panel seems a little thin.
Andrew Casey I agree was very good in that U21 game. Couldn’t believe he was substituted that day. Saw him play for Ballyduff a few times last year however and you’d have done well to pick him out. Apparently he spent last summer in the States so that may have been a factor.
John Curran I would agree is worth a trial at least, a tenacious man marker.
Lucey I am less sure about. He is obviously a huge physical presence. I would consider his hurling limited and in huge need of work to make Senior intercounty standard. I wouldn’t rate his aerial ability the same as Forans either. I do accept we are hugely short of aerial options so these players can’t just be discarded.
I think they may be looking to Fagan for some aerial ability but he has a lot to prove himself at intercounty level.

kilkennyboy

big_drive wrote: »

Is Stephen O’Keeffe dropped from panel?

Not yet but he now knows where the door is.

Cake Man

Would it be fair to say SOK may not even be guaranteed the number 1 jersey? Could be the first season in the last 6 or 7 that he will have to fight for it as Billy Nolan is a decent keeper and could dislodge him. Would still expect SOK to take it but it might be close?

thesultan

Would Ray Barry be worth a look?

kilkennyboy

Cake Man wrote: »

Would it be fair to say SOK may not even be guaranteed the number 1 jersey? Could be the first season in the last 6 or 7 that he will have to fight for it as Billy Nolan is a decent keeper and could dislodge him. Would still expect SOK to take it but it might be close?

He could find himself gently retired. Like a few others

Deise Gael

thesultan wrote: »

Would Ray Barry be worth a look?

He gave a great display when he came on against Kilkenny as a 19 year old in 2013 under Michael Ryan - scoring 1-3- but never seemed to get a sustained run under Derek McGrath.

Saw him twice for Lismore last year and he was pretty impressive. He is definitely big enough, has good wrists, pace and can win his own ball. Paudie Prendergast might also be worth looking at again.

JesusRef

thesultan wrote: »

Would Ray Barry be worth a look?

Some wrists to be fair

Mastermcgrath

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Derek McGrath confirmed as been involved with Faythe Harriers in Wexford town this year. They had to win the relegation final this year but won last 2 minor premiers so have some talent coming through, he'll be hoping the new ross bypass opens soon.Lee Chin their most well known player.

He’s role is ‘advisor’ to the Actual team manager. Make what you want if that

deisedude

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Has McGrath ever managed anyone but young lads that he can manipulate?

What a fcuking stupid comment

emergingstar

Was there any changes to the championship structures from that meeting Friday night

Will they go ahead with the county leagues

Stopitwillya

Great result for WIT beating LIT by nine points in the first match of this years fitzgibbion cup. More importantly 9 of the starting 15 were from Waterford.

PTH2009

Darragh Fives is currently training with the panel

DiscoStew

emergingstar wrote: »

Was there any changes to the championship structures from that meeting Friday night

Will they go ahead with the county leagues

Submissions for structures had to be put in by Friday. I think they are being discussed at Monday’s County Board meeting.

PTH2009

Aussie went off with a knee injury in WITs game today. A worry for the start of the league

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/waterford-worry-over-austin-gleeson-knee-injury-for-cork-game-975025.html

Mastermcgrath

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Great result for WIT beating LIT by nine points in the first match of this years fitzgibbion cup. More importantly 9 of the starting 15 were from Waterford.

Is Aussie back in college this year?

Giveitfong

I came across a report of the Tony Forristal tournament final for 2020 (in which Waterford beat Kilkenny 2-8 to 2-6) the other day. It made for interesting reading.

Colm Roche was full back with Eddie Hayden in the corner. MJ Sutton was at midfield with Conor Gleeson at centre forward. Patrick Curran and Dessie Hutchinson were in the full forward line. Shane Bennett was an unused sub.

According to the report “Conor Gleeson is certainly one to watch for the future. His ability to catch ball in the air, take on the defender and deliver intelligent ball into his inside forward line was one of the talking points of the weekend”. While I appreciate Gleeson’s defensive abilities, I have always felt that he should be tried in the forwards, where he spent his early under-age years. Good forwards are always harder to get than good defenders, and I feel that Gleeson’s wonderful skillset could make a bigger contribution in the forward division.

The report stated of the full forward line of Dessie Hutchinson, Patrick Curran and Andrew Crawford (Cois Bhríde) that they “wreaked havoc on their Kilkenny opponents and showed a level of composure and skill way beyond their years. Watch this space!” Hopefully we will see a repeat of this in the coming year and two, at least in the case of Curran and Hutchinson. I wonder what became of Crawford, a big lad who caused major problems for Kilkenny in the early stages of the game in particular, causing Kilkenny to move their best player, Liam Blanchfield, back to mark him.

The other members of the Waterford team were Seán Daly (Abbeyside) in goal, Craig Brown (Sacred Heart) corner back, half backs Mark Shanahan (Sacred Heart), Jack McCarthy (De La Salle, who got man of the match) and Shane Murray (Cappoquin), Edmond O’Halloran (Clashmore) midfield, and half forwards Shane Ryan (De La Salle) and Seán Colfer (Tramore). Billy Egan of Dungarvan was a second-half substitute.

Mastermcgrath

Giveitfong wrote: »

I came across a report of the Tony Forristal tournament final for 2020 (in which Waterford beat Kilkenny 2-8 to 2-6) the other day. It made for interesting reading.

Colm Roche was full back with Eddie Hayden in the corner. MJ Sutton was at midfield with Conor Gleeson at centre forward. Patrick Curran and Dessie Hutchinson were in the full forward line. Shane Bennett was an unused sub.

According to the report “Conor Gleeson is certainly one to watch for the future. His ability to catch ball in the air, take on the defender and deliver intelligent ball into his inside forward line was one of the talking points of the weekend”. While I appreciate Gleeson’s defensive abilities, I have always felt that he should be tried in the forwards, where he spent his early under-age years. Good forwards are always harder to get than good defenders, and I feel that Gleeson’s wonderful skillset could make a bigger contribution in the forward division.

The report stated of the full forward line of Dessie Hutchinson, Patrick Curran and Andrew Crawford (Cois Bhríde) that they “wreaked havoc on their Kilkenny opponents and showed a level of composure and skill way beyond their years. Watch this space!” Hopefully we will see a repeat of this in the coming year and two, at least in the case of Curran and Hutchinson. I wonder what became of Crawford, a big lad who caused major problems for Kilkenny in the early stages of the game in particular, causing Kilkenny to move their best player, Liam Blanchfield, back to mark him.

The other members of the Waterford team were Seán Daly (Abbeyside) in goal, Craig Brown (Sacred Heart) corner back, half backs Mark Shanahan (Sacred Heart), Jack McCarthy (De La Salle, who got man of the match) and Shane Murray (Cappoquin), Edmond O’Halloran (Clashmore) midfield, and half forwards Shane Ryan (De La Salle) and Seán Colfer (Tramore). Billy Egan of Dungarvan was a second-half substitute.

Assume you mean 2010, that’s Adam Crawford of Shamrocks, a good club player for them,

emergingstar

DiscoStew wrote: »

Submissions for structures had to be put in by Friday. I think they are being discussed at Monday’s County Board meeting.

tonight should be interesting so

NaDeise92

Anyone know the extent of Aussie's injury? He was flying yesterday apparently - looked very sharp.

upthedeise16

NaDeise92 wrote: »

Anyone know the extent of Aussie's injury? He was flying yesterday apparently - looked very sharp.

It was precautionary, it’s nothing too serious

DiscoStew

emergingstar wrote: »

tonight should be interesting so

Apologies I had that wrong. Submissions being taken tonight which will then be considered at the county board meeting this day week.

Jjjjjjjjbarry

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/waterford-worry-over-austin-gleeson-knee-injury-for-cork-game-975025.html

Aussie a doubt for the Cork game going by that.

enoughtaken

Taken from Twitter
Correction to earlier tweet on referees for @AIB_GAA Hurling Finals in @CrokePark on Saturday.
@DubGAAOfficial Sean Stack will referee @rovers_abu v @ConahyShamrocks while @WaterfordGAA Thomas Walsh takes charge of @FrONeillsGAA v @TullaroanHurlin ðŸ‘ðŸ»

Great to see Thomas get an All Ireland

PTH2009

Will the league panel and the championship panel be different or be the same pending injury etc ??. Will the guys deemed not good about during the Munster League be given there marching orders this week ?

IanVW

PTH2009 wrote: »

Will the league panel and the championship panel be different or be the same pending injury etc ??. Will the guys deemed not good about during the Munster League be given there marching orders this week ?

?

mountgomery burns

Any word on Gleeson?

HelloHello1234

enoughtaken wrote: »

Taken from Twitter
Correction to earlier tweet on referees for @AIB_GAA Hurling Finals in @CrokePark on Saturday.
@DubGAAOfficial Sean Stack will referee @rovers_abu v @ConahyShamrocks while @WaterfordGAA Thomas Walsh takes charge of @FrONeillsGAA v @TullaroanHurlin ðŸ‘ðŸ»

Great to see Thomas get an All Ireland

Fantastic to see will surely be close to reffing an intercounty championship game in the not to distant future
if not this season

Banner2theend

Clare v Waterford in a senior hurling challenge match, set to take place in Thurles, presumably on at Dr. Morris Park this Friday, under lights. Time TBC.

tommylad1212

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Any word on Gleeson?

100%

carter10

Banner2theend wrote: »

Clare v Waterford in a senior hurling challenge match, set to take place in Thurles, presumably on at Dr. Morris Park this Friday, under lights. Time TBC.

Do you know the time it on at?

Relhcstirt

Anyone still waiting on their season ticket. Should have had it by now with the AI finals on Sunday, ordered mine on 15th Dec. How bloody hard can it be🙄!!

waterfordgirl

Relhcstirt wrote: »

Anyone still waiting on their season ticket. Should have had it by now with the AI finals on Sunday, ordered mine on 15th Dec. How bloody hard can it be🙄!!

I ordered on the 6th Dec and when I emailed I was told it would be out before the first league game which is 25/01. Service from them is woeful! They sent out a load of cards with the wrong names last year!

fricatus

Relhcstirt wrote: »

Anyone still waiting on their season ticket. Should have had it by now with the AI finals on Sunday, ordered mine on 15th Dec. How bloody hard can it be��!!

Yes, ordered on 3 Jan, still waiting.

upthedeise16

http://dlvr.it/RN8WKx

Mahony speaks on his retirement, best of luck to him, have a lot to the cause over the last 10 years

Mastermcgrath

upthedeise16 wrote: »

http://dlvr.it/RN8WKx

Mahony speaks on his retirement, best of luck to him, have a lot to the cause over the last 10 years

But but but he was ‘gently’ retired by Cahill like the other pets....???

Waternut

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

But but but he was ‘gently’ retired by Cahill like the other pets....???

'Pets' ?? - Jesus can we just leave off the snide remark about McGrath. He's gone two years now.
He tried to something different, it didn't work out, so let's all move on.
Philip was a great servant, however he's made his decision. To be honest, half back is one of our stronger positions and we have a few exciting young half backs who need to stand up and be given the opportunity to shine.

whiteandblue

Waternut wrote: »

'Pets' ?? - Jesus can we just leave off the snide remark about McGrath. He's gone two years now.
He tried to something different, it didn't work out, so let's all move on.
Philip was a great servant, however he's made his decision. To be honest, half back is one of our stronger positions and we have a few exciting young half backs who need to stand up and be given the opportunity to shine.

I think he was being sarcastic about lads who blamed Derek McGrath for his retirement

mountgomery burns

Waternut wrote: »

'Pets' ?? - Jesus can we just leave off the snide remark about McGrath. He's gone two years now.
He tried to something different, it didn't work out, so let's all move on.
Philip was a great servant, however he's made his decision. To be honest, half back is one of our stronger positions and we have a few exciting young half backs who need to stand up and be given the opportunity to shine.

Think he was having a dig at those making the accusations rather than the other way around to be fair.

PTH2009

For the new Walsh Park Will there be a concourse area under the new stand (currently terrace) ???

tommylad1212

carter10 wrote: »

Do you know the time it on at?

Was moved to wit

Banner2theend

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Was moved to wit

Waterford came out one point winners over Clare, in a competitive challenge match last night. Don't know the Waterford team or actual final score, but we had the likes of Tony Kelly, John Conlon and Shane O'Donnell, that started for the Banner County.

Mastermcgrath

Waternut wrote: »

'Pets' ?? - Jesus can we just leave off the snide remark about McGrath. He's gone two years now.
He tried to something different, it didn't work out, so let's all move on.
Philip was a great servant, however he's made his decision. To be honest, half back is one of our stronger positions and we have a few exciting young half backs who need to stand up and be given the opportunity to shine.

I was having a bit of craic

carter10

Banner2theend wrote: »

Waterford came out one point winners over Clare, in a competitive challenge match last night. Don't know the Waterford team or actual final score, but we had the likes of Tony Kelly, John Conlon and Shane O'Donnell, that started for the Banner County.

Waterford had: SOK Conor Gleeson, Prunty, Kieran Bennett, Iarliath Daly, Darragh Fives, Jake Dillon, Stephen Roche, MJ Sutton, Jamie Barron, Jack Fagan, Shane Fives, Dessie Hutcheson, MIkey Kearney and Stephen Bennett- I think- hard to tell with helmets these days. Brought on a number of subs late on.
Waterford edged the first half mainly due to an early goal, Clare were well on top for long periods of the second half. Very open game in the 2nd half, Waterford full back line really struggled at times.
A penalty scored by Bennett was the difference in the end.
A lot of aimless high ball into a 2 man FF line in the first half meant a lot of ball was coming out as quick as it wa going in. Waterford were looking to play a fast running game which on occasion resulted in good scores but more often broke down due to poor decision making or sloppy play.
Jack Fagan won some high ball but did not create much with it. Waterford were heavily reliant on Bennett for scores.
difficult to judge the team overall based on this game, very cold evening and an over fussy referee made for a very stop start game.

Banner2theend

carter10 wrote: »

Waterford had: SOK Conor Gleeson, Prunty, Kieran Bennett, Iarliath Daly, Darragh Fives, Jake Dillon, Stephen Roche, MJ Sutton, Jamie Barron, Jack Fagan, Shane Fives, Dessie Hutcheson, MIkey Kearney and Stephen Bennett- I think- hard to tell with helmets these days. Brought on a number of subs late on.
Waterford edged the first half mainly due to an early goal, Clare were well on top for long periods of the second half. Very open game in the 2nd half, Waterford full back line really struggled at times.
A penalty scored by Bennett was the difference in the end.
A lot of aimless high ball into a 2 man FF line in the first half meant a lot of ball was coming out as quick as it wa going in. Waterford were looking to play a fast running game which on occasion resulted in good scores but more often broke down due to poor decision making or sloppy play.
Jack Fagan won some high ball but did not create much with it. Waterford were heavily reliant on Bennett for scores.
difficult to judge the team overall based on this game, very cold evening and an over fussy referee made for a very stop start game.

Great post carter10. Did Clare play very direct last night, a lot of debate here in Clare about the style and method of play that Brian Lohan's wants his team to play, under his management.

That looked a good Waterford team on paper carter10. Overall a good and worthwhile exercise for both teams, with both fielding strong teams. The 2020 league begins today week!!

carter10

Banner2theend wrote: »

Great post carter10. Did Clare play very direct last night, a lot of debate here in Clare about the style and method of play that Brian Lohan's wants his team to play, under his management.

That looked a good Waterford team on paper carter10. Overall a good and worthwhile exercise for both teams, with both fielding strong teams. The 2020 league begins today week!!

Clare to me also seemed to be going with a 'running off the shoulder' game but although they lost narrowly last night their execution of
this plan was better than ours. Also they played with 3 inside forwards and at times cut open the waterford defense with good off the ball movement and excellent stick passsing.
One negative for Clare (as it was in the league last year)- silly unnecessary fouling- cost them a significant number of scores from frees.
also Clare played two big lads in the half forward line who had a lot of success under the dropping ball.

Banner2theend

carter10 wrote: »

Clare to me also seemed to be going with a 'running off the shoulder' game but although they lost narrowly last night their execution of
this plan was better than ours. Also they played with 3 inside forwards and at times cut open the waterford defense with good off the ball movement and excellent stick passsing.
One negative for Clare (as it was in the league last year)- silly unnecessary fouling- cost them a significant number of scores from frees.
also Clare played two big lads in the half forward line who had a lot of success under the dropping ball.

That's great to hear that re Clare style of play. Overdoing either the direct stuff (see Kilkenny and Clare's 2nd half performances v Tipp in championship 2019) or the short passing game, that can go so horribly wrong if broken down, is not the way forward. A good mix of both methods putting unpredictably on opponent's defenders and heads is the right approach.

Good also to hear of the traditional 3 men inside too along with you mention our stick passing and off the ball movement, which was far too laboured IMO during our humiliating performances against Tipp and Limerick in the championship last year. However when I hear of lax and lazy tackling resulting in soft and easy frees for our opponents......

As for your own county Waterford, I do expect ye to be playing hurling beyond June, as third seeds in Munster, at the expense of Cork and Clare. Liam Cahill is the type of manager that will get the max out of what is a very talented bunch of players. I also think that the ditching of the "sweeper" that was IMO holding ye back from Liam McCarthy glory, will only be a positive for the Deise men. Should be a great year!

upthedeise16

Austin Gleeson playing for WIT today so injury was nothing too serious

Mulbert

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Austin Gleeson playing for WIT today so injury was nothing too serious

We're u at it? How did he or the rest of the Waterford lads go?