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PTH2009

Ballyduff Upper
Intermediate champs 2005
Senior champs 2007
Intermediate champs 2020

Ballysaggart the last too win a junior championship (2013 ??) And then Intermediate in 2019

Mulbert

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Seen a comment elsewhere that ballygunners pick would be bigger than the rest of east Waterford clubs combined, would that be an exaggeration?

Like Kikenny city having only one team.

Mulbert

Mulbert wrote: »

Like Kikenny city having only one team.

Or ballyhale having only two!

deisedude

Will it be possible watch back the intermediate final? Missed it tonight

carter10

Players who were not on the county panel in March who may make it on through their performance in the club?

Paddy Leavey
Kevin Mahony
Maurice
Michael Kiely

Anyone else?

PTH2009

carter10 wrote: »

Players who were not on the county panel in March who may make it on through their performance in the club?

Paddy Leavey
Kevin Mahony
Maurice
Michael Kiely

Anyone else?

Liam Cahill got left in to Walsh Park

Will it be a clean slate with a new panel in sep or the same one as March

Some excellent performances in these championships by the county players. Shows how good Cahill and the management team must be

Exciting

Tiger Roll

carter10 wrote:

Anyone else?

Would Philip Mahony go back ?

thesultan

carter10 wrote: »

Players who were not on the county panel in March who may make it on through their performance in the club?

Paddy Leavey
Kevin Mahony
Maurice
Michael Kiely

Anyone else?

Cahill said he based any new fellas off how they did against ballygunner...

thesultan

Tiger Roll wrote: »

Would Philip Mahony go back ?

Not by his interview

Mulbert

Congratulations to Ballygunner, well deserved county champions. I can't see any club matching them bar a freak (one in twenty) for years to come, no matter how much work they put in.

Junior Hurler

Gunners’ victory margins 11, 19, 12, 18, 17

Mastermcgrath

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Seen a comment elsewhere that ballygunners pick would be bigger than the rest of east Waterford clubs combined, would that be an exaggeration?

Just a bit.

The bottom line is they are doing the work at underage level and utilising the resources they have. Tramore have ‘a big pick‘ but no one says they have an unfair advantage.

The one thing that feeds into Bgunners advantage is the parish rule or lack thereof, in Waterford. I don’t specifically know if many players affiliated with the club are not from the area, but there’s nothing to stop parents from other areas if the city and county sending their little Johnny out to Ballygunner cos its fashionable and they beleive they have the best chance at being the next Paul Flynn or paudie Mahony or whoever else

PTH2009

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Just a bit.

The bottom line is they are doing the work at underage level and utilising the resources they have. Tramore have ‘a big pick‘ but no one says they have an unfair advantage.

The one thing that feeds into Bgunners advantage is the parish rule or lack thereof, in Waterford. I don’t specifically know if many players affiliated with the club are not from the area, but there’s nothing to stop parents from other areas if the city and county sending their little Johnny out to Ballygunner cos its fashionable and they beleive they have the best chance at being the next Paul Flynn or paudie Mahony or whoever else

nothing stopping Aussie Gleeson transferring clubs and he might actually win a county senior medal with BGl. Obv not happening

seananigans

PTH2009 wrote: »

nothing stopping Aussie Gleeson transferring clubs and he might actually win a county senior medal with BGl. Obv not happening

would be the making of him, BG manager talking about how they built a system to get the best out of dessie, and how its a near county setup in terms of professionalism would have him put in place.

they could also afford to drop him as much as they want ,something mt sion and waterford dont have

Mastermcgrath

seananigans wrote: »

would be the making of him, BG manager talking about how they built a system to get the best out of dessie, and how its a near county setup in terms of professionalism would have him put in place.

they could also afford to drop him as much as they want ,something mt sion and waterford dont have

Can we stop the conversation there

JesusRef

Borrisileigh and Ballyhale are tiny places with a pick smaller than alot of clubs in Waterford.

They both have beaten Ballygunner recently

It's time for Waterford clubs to quit the pity and excuses

thesultan

Maybe that could could be that while Ballygunner have Avery good team they have no superstar on their team like a Reid or Horgan.

Cornerstoner

thesultan wrote: »

Maybe that could could be that while Ballygunner have Avery good team they have no superstar on their team like a Reid or Horgan.

My own personal opinion is that BG struggle at the latter end of the Club Championships as a result of having no ball winners in there forward line. There forwards are all of a similar style: skilful, fast and good movement. Add in the fact that these games are generally played in winter conditions where winning primary possession is more effective than short stick passing that can break down. The Borris game from last year is a prime example

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Lot of talk of Ballygunner's pool of players and little about how there were 4 brothers + cousins on the team. Their senior team is probably made up of fewer families than most other teams in the country.

mountgomery burns

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Lot of talk of Ballygunner's pool of players and little about how there were 4 brothers + cousins on the team. Their senior team is probably made up of fewer families than most other teams in the country.

Fair enough about the Mahonys, Sullivans, O'Keeffes etc but don't agree with the second statement. It's feature of most rural club teams. Might be a bit unique in the City but certainly not unique in Waterford let alone Ireland.

Waternut

thesultan wrote: »

Maybe that could could be that while Ballygunner have Avery good team they have no superstar on their team like a Reid or Horgan.

A lot of sensible comments here on Ballygunner. Yes, they have been regularly beaten by smaller rural clubs in the Munster and All Ireland club championship and it really begs the question as to the standard of the Waterford championship.
It's up to other Waterford clubs to reach the Ballygunner standard but it seems the likes of De La Salle and Mount Sion have seriously regressed in recent years and are probably not investing as much time in their underage structures.
As mentioned, the likes of Tramore, De La Salle and Dungarvan have similar numbers / catchment to Ballygunner, so I don't buy the argument that it's a numbers game. It is down to the time and effort put in underage. Someone mentioned recently that Ballygunner ran away with the U14 A championship. De La Salle were only playing in division 2 or 3 and both Dungarvan and Tramore were also down in division 2 or 3. Dungarvan and Tramore have regularly been playing Division 2 and 3 in all age groups

thesultan

Ballygunner remind me of Dublin.. Both have massive populations and once they had their structures in place they destroyed all round them. Population and money combined to beat all round them. Ballygunner I think the only club that don't sell the Deise draw. They don't have to. Every other club its their lifeline.

Mount Sion in their pomp in the 90s were the kingpins of the county. They were winning countless titles but they never had fellas all of a one age playing at one age..

PTH2009

thesultan wrote: »

Ballygunner remind me of Dublin.. Both have massive populations and once they had their structures in place they destroyed all round them. Population and money combined to beat all round them. Ballygunner I think the only club that don't sell the Deise draw. They don't have to. Every other club its their lifeline.

Mount Sion in their pomp in the 90s were the kingpins of the county. They were winning countless titles but they never had fellas all of a one age playing at one age..

The Mount Sion team of the late 90s/early 00s vs this current crop in Ballygunner would of been some game

Be interesting what Cahill and his management team decide before the IC return on the 14th Sep

Motivator

Back at the turn of the decade, De La Salle looked like they could do what Ballygunner are doing now. De La Salle won an u21 title around 2008 and that panel of players, I think, had never been beaten at any age group all the way up. They had some excellent hurlers mixed with some good hurlers who looked like they would develop into a serious senior team over time but it never really happened. Moran is the only one still playing senior hurling.

Ballygunner are just an awesome team and the club itself is a monster. Whatever about their skill levels, the senior team’s attitude and application is second to none. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a fitter club team. Their forward line might be small but they’re powerful. Are they probably one player short of an all Ireland winning team? Yes. They need an out and out full forward. They need a big and strong focal point for their attack. If not to start then to bring on if their plan A doesn’t work. They panicked a small bit against Boris last year and against Ballyhale the year before. There’s nothing wrong with route 1 hurling and I think the addition of a big ball winning full forward to do nothing but sit on the edge of the square would make them an even better team and could be the difference in the All Ireland series.

tommylad1212

Waternut wrote: »

A lot of sensible comments here on Ballygunner. Yes, they have been regularly beaten by smaller rural clubs in the Munster and All Ireland club championship and it really begs the question as to the standard of the Waterford championship.
It's up to other Waterford clubs to reach the Ballygunner standard but it seems the likes of De La Salle and Mount Sion have seriously regressed in recent years and are probably not investing as much time in their underage structures.
As mentioned, the likes of Tramore, De La Salle and Dungarvan have similar numbers / catchment to Ballygunner, so I don't buy the argument that it's a numbers game. It is down to the time and effort put in underage. Someone mentioned recently that Ballygunner ran away with the U14 A championship. De La Salle were only playing in division 2 or 3 and both Dungarvan and Tramore were also down in division 2 or 3. Dungarvan and Tramore have regularly been playing Division 2 and 3 in all age groups

Dungarvan haven't large pick, all the new houses are been build in abbyside, brickeys seem to be getting numbers from dungarvan for some reason

conor05

Motivator wrote: »

Back at the turn of the decade, De La Salle looked like they could do what Ballygunner are doing now. De La Salle won an u21 title around 2008 and that panel of players, I think, had never been beaten at any age group all the way up. They had some excellent hurlers mixed with some good hurlers who looked like they would develop into a serious senior team over time but it never really happened. Moran is the only one still playing senior hurling.

Ballygunner are just an awesome team and the club itself is a monster. Whatever about their skill levels, the senior team’s attitude and application is second to none. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a fitter club team. Their forward line might be small but they’re powerful. Are they probably one player short of an all Ireland winning team? Yes. They need an out and out full forward. They need a big and strong focal point for their attack. If not to start then to bring on if their plan A doesn’t work. They panicked a small bit against Boris last year and against Ballyhale the year before. There’s nothing wrong with route 1 hurling and I think the addition of a big ball winning full forward to do nothing but sit on the edge of the square would make them an even better team and could be the difference in the All Ireland series.

Ballygunner do not produce the same quality of hurler that Ballyhale produce, it’s that simple.
Ballyhale have TJ, Ritchie & Eoin Reid, Darren & Adrian Mullen, Joey Holden, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Cody. Name me 8 hurlers on the Ballygunner panel as good as them 8?

I can even think of 3 or 4 other senior teams in Kilkenny that would beat this current Ballygunner team. The standard isn’t that strong in Waterford.

TheScoringGoal

conor05 wrote: »

Ballygunner do not produce the same quality of hurler that Ballyhale produce, it’s that simple.
Ballyhale have TJ, Ritchie & Eoin Reid, Darren & Adrian Mullen, Joey Holden, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Cody. Name me 8 hurlers on the Ballygunner panel as good as them 8?

I can even think of 3 or 4 other senior teams in Kilkenny that would beat this current Ballygunner team. The standard isn’t that strong in Waterford.

There are Ballygunner players better than players you have named. Both Mahoneys ahead of Ritchie and Eoin Reid. I'd argue Coughlan ahead of Holden. Ballygunner don't have a TJ or similar elite standard player though yet. They have hopes for at least one coming through.

thesultan

PTH2009 wrote: »

The Mount Sion team of the late 90s/early 00s vs this current crop in Ballygunner would of been some game

Be interesting what Cahill and his management team decide before the IC return on the 14th Sep

Mount Sion had six players on the 02 Waterford team. Ballygunner never had that talent.

thesultan

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

There are Ballygunner players better than players you have named. Both Mahoneys ahead of Ritchie and Eoin Reid. I'd argue Coughlan ahead of Holden. Ballygunner don't have a TJ or similar elite standard player though yet. They have hopes for at least one coming through.

Coughlan is a stopper and a very good one at that but holden has more hurling. Saw him recently against Glen rovers and he gave an exhibition of defending.

mountgomery burns

conor05 wrote: »

Ballygunner do not produce the same quality of hurler that Ballyhale produce, it’s that simple.
Ballyhale have TJ, Ritchie & Eoin Reid, Darren & Adrian Mullen, Joey Holden, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Cody. Name me 8 hurlers on the Ballygunner panel as good as them 8?

I can even think of 3 or 4 other senior teams in Kilkenny that would beat this current Ballygunner team. The standard isn’t that strong in Waterford.

You're right about the standard in Waterford however I'm skeptical about your other point. No Kilkenny team has won Leinster outside of Ballyhale aside from O Loughlins in the last 10 years, and they were hammered by Clarinbridge in the All Ireland that year.

BGs record in Munster could be better but in the last two they beat a Na Piarsaigh side well in the final who had just been in two of the last 3 all Ireland's, and last year they hammered Sixmilebridge and Patrickswell before they just fell short in conditions that really didn't suit against Borrisileigh.

Don't bother naming players, watch them play.

Cake Man

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

They have hopes for at least one coming through.

Just curious to know who this is? Am always interested to hear of lads with potential coming through to keep an eye on their progress over the years.
Pity there isn’t a Munster/AI club championship, it would have been very interesting to see how far BG would have gone.

seananigans

Cake Man wrote: »

Just curious to know who this is? Am always interested to hear of lads with potential coming through to keep an eye on their progress over the years.
Pity there isn’t a Munster/AI club championship, it would have been very interesting to see how far BG would have gone.

Dessie Hutchinson ,Mikey Mahony, and Billy O'Keefe all come to mind im sure theres more but those are the ones at senior level that are obvious.

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Any updates on who'll be on the Waterford senior panel yet?
Can't wait to see the panel so we can start arguing over starting 15's and who'll be on frees and where Aussie will play

upthedeise16

Cake Man wrote: »

Just curious to know who this is? Am always interested to hear of lads with potential coming through to keep an eye on their progress over the years.
Pity there isn’t a Munster/AI club championship, it would have been very interesting to see how far BG would have gone.

Young Fitzgerald who was outstanding in the minor final

tommylad1212

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Any updates on who'll be on the Waterford senior panel yet?
Can't wait to see the panel so we can start arguing over starting 15's and who'll be on frees and where Aussie will play

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The same panel they had for the lge, might me one or two in and out,

PTH2009

tommylad1212 wrote: »

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The same panel they had for the lge, might me one or two in and out,

Cahill gave a good interview on TG4 and siad management are considering all options

Looking forward to the championship even though we wont be going to games but suppose it will be on TV and we can all argue here play by play

Ian OB

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Any updates on who'll be on the Waterford senior panel yet?
Can't wait to see the panel so we can start arguing over starting 15's and who'll be on frees and where Aussie will play

It won't matter where Aussie is played. By half-time we'll be saying he should be in one of two other positions instead!!

: )

thesultan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Cahill gave a good interview on TG4 and siad management are considering all options

Looking forward to the championship even though we wont be going to games but suppose it will be on TV and we can all argue here play by play

He also said he'd judge players on how they did against Ballygunner..

Parishman

That was a mad comment from Liam Cahill to make as half the senior clubs did not play Ballygunner this year.

Can see very few coming into panel but on a brighter note many of the county panel did play well in fairness. For me the most impressive was Callum Lyons overall, Conor Prunty's display against Lismore and Dessie Hutchinson. someone who I think might be worth a call is Martin O' Neill of Mt Sion even if only for his free taking always good to have a back up. There are a few others who are in the Under 20 ranks, but it is probably a year too soon, Kevin Mahoney & Rory Furlong to name a few. On the championship as a whole Ballygunners' defence is their rock and I was very impressed with them as a unit. Well marshaled by Philip and Socky they suffocated teams and was a great platform for the forwards to score at will.

greenspurs

mountgomery burns wrote: »

You're right about the standard in Waterford however I'm skeptical about your other point. No Kilkenny team has won Leinster outside of Ballyhale aside from O Loughlins in the last 10 years, and they were hammered by Clarinbridge in the All Ireland that year.

BGs record in Munster could be better but in the last two they beat a Na Piarsaigh side well in the final who had just been in two of the last 3 all Ireland's, and last year they hammered Sixmilebridge and Patrickswell before they just fell short in conditions that really didn't suit against Borrisileigh.

Don't bother naming players, watch them play.

He didn't say anything about Leinster-
He said there 3-4 KK teams that would beat Ballygunner… and its true.

And how often have Ballyhale beaten Ballygunner?

mountgomery burns

greenspurs wrote: »

He didn't say anything about Leinster-
He said there 3-4 KK teams that would beat Ballygunner… and its true.

And how often have Ballyhale beaten Ballygunner?

Would beat or could beat?

There are not 3-4 teams in KK better than BG, there is one.

And to answer your question I can only ever remember Ballygunner and Ballyhale meeting once?

whiteandblue

Parishman wrote: »

That was a mad comment from Liam Cahill to make as half the senior clubs did not play Ballygunner this year.

Can see very few coming into panel but on a brighter note many of the county panel did play well in fairness. For me the most impressive was Callum Lyons overall, Conor Prunty's display against Lismore and Dessie Hutchinson. someone who I think might be worth a call is Martin O' Neill of Mt Sion even if only for his free taking always good to have a back up. There are a few others who are in the Under 20 ranks, but it is probably a year too soon, Kevin Mahoney & Rory Furlong to name a few. On the championship as a whole Ballygunners' defence is their rock and I was very impressed with them as a unit. Well marshaled by Philip and Socky they suffocated teams and was a great platform for the forwards to score at will.

I agree that it's a crazy comment. Jamie and Tom Barron wer poor against Ballygunner as he was targeted specifically as it's known that if you stop them, you'll go a long way to beating Fourmile so does that now mean they aren't at the required level for intercounty? Cathrach Daly was equally poor for Lismore, is he not at the level? Then Passage and Tallow (unless Jordan Henley is in?) have no panel member so no player can be judged. A strange comment from Cahill.

Callum Lyons was very impressive but it must be remembered that he played at a lower level. I know Callum was excellent around the middle getting 4 from play in the county final but I cannot understand why he wasn't pushed back on Mikey Kearney in the 2nd half if not even earlier. Kearney hit 10 from play (and won frees that he scored) but you would imagine that this total would have at least halved if he was on Lyons? Instead, I think number 19 followed Kearney for most of the match and he ran amuck. a strange decision from the Ballyduff Lower management I thought.

Overall I thought the majority county players stood head and shoulders above the rest for their respective clubs which augurs well for the intercounty championship but a few disappointed in their club's knockout matches. Hopefully the fact that most do not play football, will leave Cahill have the team well prepared for Cork.

willietherock

greenspurs wrote: »

He didn't say anything about Leinster-
He said there 3-4 KK teams that would beat Ballygunner… and its true.

And how often have Ballyhale beaten Ballygunner?

BG would piss through the KK championship sans Ballyhale.

Mastermcgrath

Parishman wrote: »

That was a mad comment from Liam Cahill to make as half the senior clubs did not play Ballygunner this year.

Can see very few coming into panel but on a brighter note many of the county panel did play well in fairness. For me the most impressive was Callum Lyons overall, Conor Prunty's display against Lismore and Dessie Hutchinson. someone who I think might be worth a call is Martin O' Neill of Mt Sion even if only for his free taking always good to have a back up. There are a few others who are in the Under 20 ranks, but it is probably a year too soon, Kevin Mahoney & Rory Furlong to name a few. On the championship as a whole Ballygunners' defence is their rock and I was very impressed with them as a unit. Well marshaled by Philip and Socky they suffocated teams and was a great platform for the forwards to score at will.

I think its strategy to justify him not calling up Maurice or Connors again because neither had a great day against Ballygunner.

thesultan

Legs are gone for both at intercounty.

deisedude

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

I think its strategy to justify him not calling up Maurice or Connors again because neither had a great day against Ballygunner.

Did Cahill make the comments directly after the county final? In that case I think it was a throwaway statement to say something nice about the county champions

Waternut

thesultan wrote: »

Legs are gone for both at intercounty.

Um, Connors was sluggish to cover across for Kevin Mahony's goal. He is a fantastic hurler and a great servant to Waterford, but I agree, the legs are gone.
I think we could mount an argument for Maurice, for no reason other then our lack of top class scoring forwards.

Giveitfong

A recurring feature of club hurling in Waterford in recent times has been the fact that, despite the closely-contested nature of the intermediate championship, the eventual winners have found it difficult to retain their senior status in subsequent years. A clue to explaining this may be gleaned from the fact that, as observed here recently, intermediate championship matches are frequently high-scoring affairs. If intermediate teams are able to rack up high scores against each other, then how are they likely to fare when they come up against senior teams?

Last Sunday’s intermediate final between the Ballyduffs was very enjoyable to watch, but the shooting statistics were almost ridiculous for a 60-minute game: 58 scores and 18 wides. This represents an average of a shot for every 47 seconds of play (including stoppages for puckouts, frees, etc.).

County player Mikey Kearney led the scorefest with a total haul of 19 points (nine from play). Kearney was not as tightly marked as he was in the Western final, but even more important was the excellent service he received from out the field, where Ballyduff Upper enjoyed much more latitude than the previous week.

Ballyduff Lower’s concentration was really poor in the first quarter. Their goalie kept hitting puckouts straight to unmarked opposition players, while their marking on Ballyduff Upper puckouts was non-existent. Also, their sole tactic of trying to find full forward Jack Kennedy with long balls was paying no dividends, with Kennedy’s marker Oran Leamy playing brilliantly. Only some excellent individual scores by their wing forward Ronan Dunphy gave them any kind of foothold in the game.

Ballyduff Lower improved somewhat in the second quarter, with Calum Lyons coming more into the game and Cormac Dunphy providing stiff resistance at centre back. Still, they went in at half time six points down, 0-17 to 0-11.

Ballyduff Lower dominated the third quarter with Calum Lyons exerting dominance in the midfield area and Jack Lyons storming into the game at centre forward. They got a great boost with a 42nd minute goal following a brilliant save by the Ballyduff Upper goalie. At this stage, Mikey Kearney was single-handedly keeping Ballyduff Upper going with some excellent scores from play and frees.

When Jack Kennedy goaled in the 52nd minute to put Ballyduff Lower ahead for the first time, it seemed that Ballyduff Upper’s extra-time exertions over the previous two weeks would finally catch up with them. However, exactly the opposite happened. Eoghan Murray’s goal two minutes later put them back in the saddle and they completely dominated the closing stages, during which they hit eight points to just two for the opposition to run out six point winners, 1-32 to 2-23.

Normally a senior team, Ballyduff Upper have a great fighting spirit, a strong half-back line and, in Andrew and Kevin Casey, a good supporting act for Mikey Kearney up front. I would give them a good chance of at least retaining their senior status in the coming years.

In the junior final, Tramore should have won much more comfortably than their eventual four-point margin. Their total of 16 wides included some really bad misses, especially in the second half when they were clearly the dominant team. Their full forward, in particular, sent a penalty over the bar and sent two close-in frees wide.

They did, however, get a couple of lucky breaks. In the first half the Colligan goalie came out to take a free which he failed to lift. He then hit a ground stroke straight to a Tramore player and was left stranded as the latter – quite skillfully, it must be said – lobbed the ball into the empty net. Then, in the 61st minute, with the game on a knife-edge, the Tramore goalie sent a long free straight to the Colligan net. The thing here is that no Tramore player challenged for the ball as it entered the Colligan square where the defending side had too many players who got in each other’s way.

In the first half, Colligan more than held there own in general play, with Colin Dunford hitting a series of excellent points and centre-back Dan Booth giving an exhibition. Fullback Martin Whelan and wingback Liam Beresford (a son of the legendary Jimmy) also impressed. The main features of the second half were two shots for goal by Dunford which went the wrong side of the post, and an excellent display by Tramore forward Charlie Kelly.

The senior final was the predictable damp squib. This largely inexperienced Passage side were never likely to be able to mount a serious challenge here. Even then, their inept game strategy surprised me. This consisted mainly of trying to hit long balls into Liam Flynn at full forward, obviously in the hope that he might reproduce his semi-final form. Any ball that fell short was gobbled up by the unmarked Philip Mahony and promptly returned with interest. Any ball that got through to the full forward line found Flynn double-marked by Barry Coughlan, a wiley player with the full complement of little nudges and flicks, and an accompanying corner back. Even if Flynn did manage to get possession, which he rarely did, he was unlikely to be able to do much damage in this situation.

Elsewhere, there was a stark contrast between Ballygunner’s ability to find unmarked players in open space, and Passage’s repeated tendency to hit long stick passes to players with markers in close attendance, with the intended passes rarely sticking.

It is a pity that there is no intercounty club championship this year, in order to see how Ballygunner would fare against better opposition than they met within the county. It was easy for many of their newer players to look good, given the amount of space they were able to work in. It will be interesting to see how they fare when faced with tighter opposition.

thesultan

Give it fong would you give an analysis of Ballygunners play and plays and teams faults when playing them?

Mastermcgrath

thesultan wrote: »

Legs are gone for both at intercounty.

Connors I agree. Also he was very disappointing as captain last year under Paraic Fannings reign, when leadership was needed he was absent.

But Maurice should still Be there. Absolutely still has value to add in some capacity.