Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

cul beag

Add Jordan Henley and John Paul Lucey to that list aswell.

TheScoringGoal

cul beag wrote: »

Kieran Power
Brian O Sullivan((Now that Mcgrath is gone)
Gavin O Brien
Billy Nolan
Brian Nolan
Mark Ferncombe
Neil Montgomery
Sean Whelan Barrett
Shane Ryan(DLS)
Cormac McCann
Padraig Prendergast
Ray Barry
Iarlaith Daly
Conor Murray

These should be looked at in my opinion to see what they can offer.

Anything else?

Yes actually as that was the easy part. Could you now advise the players that the above are better than and should replace? Aside from Billy Nolan as again he's already on the panel.

thesaturdayman

cul beag wrote: »

Kieran Power
Brian O Sullivan((Now that Mcgrath is gone)
Gavin O Brien
Billy Nolan
Brian Nolan
Mark Ferncombe
Neil Montgomery
Sean Whelan Barrett
Shane Ryan(DLS)
Cormac McCann
Padraig Prendergast
Ray Barry
Iarlaith Daly
Conor Murray

These should be looked at in my opinion to see what they can offer.

Anything else?

are you actually suggesting Brian o sull will play for Waterford now that Derek has left?

cul beag

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Yes actually as that was the easy part. Could you now advise the players that the above are better than and should replace? Aside from Billy Nolan as again he's already on the panel.[/quote

Mark O Brien
Seamus Keating
Shane McNulty
Ian Kenny
Brian O Halloran
Jake Dillon
Ian O Regan

Anything else Derek?

TheScoringGoal

cul beag wrote: »

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Yes actually as that was the easy part. Could you now advise the players that the above are better than and should replace? Aside from Billy Nolan as again he's already on the panel.[/quote

Mark O Brien
Seamus Keating
Shane McNulty
Ian Kenny
Brian O Halloran
Jake Dillon
Ian O Regan

Anything else Derek?

So without getting into the merits of your inclusions and exclusions, and ignoring the petty comment, your clear out consists of omitting 7 players while adding a further 15?

Stopitwillya

cul beag wrote: »

Kieran Power
Brian O Sullivan((Now that Mcgrath is gone)
Gavin O Brien
Billy Nolan
Brian Nolan
Mark Ferncombe
Neil Montgomery
Sean Whelan Barrett
Shane Ryan(DLS)
Cormac McCann
Padraig Prendergast
Ray Barry
Iarlaith Daly
Conor Murray

These should be looked at in my opinion to see what they can offer.

Anything else?

Brian O Sullivan and Gavin O Brien have been tried and are both definitely not good enough.

Padraig Pendergast must be near 30 now so hard to see him making it back.

upthedeise16

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Brian O Sullivan and Gavin O Brien have been tried and are both definitely not good enough.

Padraig Pendergast must be near 30 now so hard to see him making it back.

Paudie is 26 at some stage this year, plenty of hurling left in him, look at Gearoid McInerny only getting his chance at that age. Brian O’Sullivan has been outstanding for Ballygunner over the last few years and would have been a huge a addition to Derek’s side. I’d love to see both involved again.

mountgomery burns

I just think the Brian O Sullivan suggestion smacks of irony given how he was scapegoated in 2014, and used as a stick to beat McGrath with.

He's probably good enough to be in the panel but is 30 if I'm not mistaken and to be honest would rather see younger players or Tommy Ryan given their chance ahead of him.

RichardBzero

Hearing tonight that fanning will be announced in the next few days. Hearing his team is Browne, dunne and dan Shanahan.

cul beag

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

cul beag wrote: »

So without getting into the merits of your inclusions and exclusions, and ignoring the petty comment, your clear out consists of omitting 7 players while adding a further 15?

No, for what it’s worth I’m suggesting these people be brought in to be tried out and that the fellas I named currently on the squad could be replaced by some new blood. I’m not for one minute saying they add another 15 while dropping 7.
There are fellas on the current squad that are in a comfort zone and as long as there aren’t any new additions then it isn’t going to change. Were we the only county this year that never added to the panel? That isn’t good enough at all.

Christy Browne

Relhcstirt wrote: »

With planning permission for Walsh Park Redevelopment now granted, when can we expect to see the diggers move in. Probably not a chance it will be ready for May.

It was never planned to be ready for May. 2020 Championship was the timeframe.

IanVW

Christy Browne wrote: »

It was never planned to be ready for May. 2020 Championship was the timeframe.

When was permission granted?

Christy Browne

IanVW wrote: »

When was permission granted?

Today as far as I know

mountgomery burns

Is the County board meeting tonight? Surely if the managerial selection is decided as is rumoured, it will be ratified by tonight?

PTH2009

Heard last night Fannings backroom team was Paul Flynn, Tony Browne, James Murray and Dan

Really hope they announce it so they can start planning

Def a bit of an underwhelming choice but we just have to wait and see. Being in 1B might suite us

Mastermcgrath

Stopitwillya wrote: »

cul beag wrote: »

Kieran Power
Brian O Sullivan((Now that Mcgrath is gone)
Gavin O Brien
Billy Nolan
Brian Nolan
Mark Ferncombe
Neil Montgomery
Sean Whelan Barrett
Shane Ryan(DLS)
Cormac McCann
Padraig Prendergast
Ray Barry
Iarlaith Daly
Conor Murray

These should be looked at in my opinion to see what they can offer.

Anything else?

Brian O Sullivan and Gavin O Brien have been tried and are both definitely not good enough.

Padraig Pendergast must be near 30 now so hard to see him making it back.

Paudie Pender is 25, should have a good few years left in him but has been off the panel with 3 or 4 years now so might be hard for him to get back up to that level of fitness and conditioning. Brian O'Sullivan was deemed not good enough as far back as Davy Fitz time but then again Tommy Ryan came with a bit of a late coming in his 20s there's no reason why Brian Sull couldn't offer the same.

IanVW

Gaa: Páraic Fanning tipped for Déise job but hunt still on for Mattie Kenny
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/paraic-fanning-tipped-for-deise-job-but-hunt-still-on-for-mattie-kenny-866515.html?utm_source=androidapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton

Mastermcgrath

IanVW wrote: »

Gaa: Páraic Fanning tipped for Déise job but hunt still on for Mattie Kenny
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/paraic-fanning-tipped-for-deise-job-but-hunt-still-on-for-mattie-kenny-866515.html?utm_source=androidapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton

Hard to know what to make of this. If Kenny wanted it badly enough you’d imagine he would have found a way to make it work by now. I find it very hard to believe that Fanning would just stand back and wait in the wings as a plan B

IanVW

https://www.wlrfm.com/2018/09/04/planning-granted-for-walsh-park-development-in-waterford/

"Executive officer, Councillor John O’Leary says he believes this expansion will meet the needs for Munster Championship games in Waterford."

He believes? Surely it either is or it isnt??

deiseach

IanVW wrote: »

https://www.wlrfm.com/2018/09/04/planning-granted-for-walsh-park-development-in-waterford/

"Executive officer, Councillor John O’Leary says he believes this expansion will meet the needs for Munster Championship games in Waterford."

He believes? Surely it either is or it isnt??

Some people will believe a 15,500 ground in the current location is enough, others won't.

deiseach

(Loving the sponsor's bit. Someone will be put out.)

https://twitter.com/wlrfm/status/1036895893696466944

914

IanVW wrote: »

https://www.wlrfm.com/2018/09/04/planning-granted-for-walsh-park-development-in-waterford/

"Executive officer, Councillor John O’Leary says he believes this expansion will meet the needs for Munster Championship games in Waterford."

He believes? Surely it either is or it isnt??

It will be meet the needs for some games but not others. If a game is a dead rubber or home to limerick or clare the attendance will be grant. Club championship gran, league fixtures grans.

At home to cork or tipp or a final game where winning would mean qualification attendance won't be plenty full.

Either way I would like to think once completed we won't have to play away from home again

Deiseen

25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.

deisedude

Deiseen wrote: »

25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.

Pointless having a stadium that big that will be full once in a blue moon. Look at the fanbase Munster have and their stadium is only that size.

Deiseen

deisedude wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.

Pointless having a stadium that big that will be full once in a blue moon. Look at the fanbase Munster have and their stadium is only that size.

As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

DiscoStew

Deiseen wrote: »

As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

Yet Ennis was fine to host games this year? When we are fixed to play Munster games in 2020 at home, provided we have it all sorted, we will be hosting it. Whether it’s cork, Tipp, Limerick or Clare won’t matter a damn. Kildare showed that very clearly this year.

deisedude

Deiseen wrote: »

As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

I just think the whole GAA idea of having these massive stadiums that might be full once a year is stupid and complete waste of money

Is it such a bad thing that bandwagoners can't get a ticket to a game every now and again?

Going back to Munster as an example they regularly sell out games in Europe but then its half empty for the Pro 14 but you dont hear people saying the stadium should be bigger

deiseach

Deiseen wrote: »

As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

There was a crowd of 20,782 at Tipperary's home game against Clare this year, yet 15,500 won't be enough to accommodate all the fans they might bring to an away game in Waterford?

Deiseen

deiseach wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

There was a crowd of 20,782 at Tipperary's home game against Clare this year, yet 15,500 won't be enough to accommodate all the fans they might bring to an away game in Waterford?

Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?

deiseach

Walsh Park and 'easy access'. I thought I was a glass-half-full kind of guy but you have me beat there, Deiseen.

deiseach

deisedude wrote: »

Is it such a bad thing that bandwagoners can't get a ticket to a game every now and again?

I think people really understate the value of this. We played Clare in 2012 and 2013 in Thurles and the crowd at each game barely scraped past 12,000. A home-and-away arrangement would have worked just fine (Walsh Park was able to comfortably host a crowd in the region of 9,000 for the Under-21 final against Tipperary in 2016) and there might have been all manner of rí rá agus ruaille buaille in and around the grounds rather than everyone rattling around a stadium capable of accommodating a crowd four times the size. This also applies to League games and county finals, which will be the staple of the venue. Small can be beautiful.

914

Deiseen wrote: »

Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?

Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

Get the diggers in and get it done.

Deiseen

914 wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?

Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

Get the diggers in and get it done.

Agreed.

Easier to assess demand then when it's actually in use and see if more is needed.

killbillvol2

People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".

Deiseen

killbillvol2 wrote: »

People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".

Jesus, it wiill be mighty so it will.

Relhcstirt

killbillvol2 wrote: »

People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".

That's a definate. Wexford park had over 17,000 only once since redeveopment. Capacity is about the 25k Mark.

mountgomery burns

Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?

914

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?

I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...

Mulbert

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?

No reason why they can't develop a good surface up there. The RSC is in an actual bog/marsh and it's one of the best field surfaces in the country.

Get the Corpo (County Council) boys in!

thesaturdayman

914 wrote: »

Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

Get the diggers in and get it done.

Some misinformation there.

Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

thesaturdayman

914 wrote: »

I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...

it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

Of course the county board know all of this information!!

DiscoStew

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Some misinformation there.

Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

Limerick full for game against Waterford?? As in this year? Surely you are joking? There was roughly 20,000 at that game. Capacity being around 50,000!

thesaturdayman

DiscoStew wrote: »

Limerick full for game against Waterford?? As in this year? Surely you are joking? There was roughly 20,000 at that game. Capacity being around 50,000!

My mistake on Waterford game, stands were packed, far terrace wasn't. it was about 24-25k alright but not a sell out.

Deiseen

thesaturdayman wrote: »

914 wrote: »

I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...

it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

Of course the county board know all of this information!!

Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.

tonc76

Deiseen wrote: »

Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.

Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.

914

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Some misinformation there.

Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

Attendance for limerick v waterford 23,194 (gaelic grounds capacity just shy of 50k)

Attendance for cork v limerick 34,607 (PUC capacity (45000)

Far from full in both your suggestions.

Clares population is similar to waterfords a bit more 120k and they couldn't fill cusack for their game against us 13k or so attended.

Think that shows walsh will be more than capable

914

tonc76 wrote: »

Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.

Croke park 145m long by 88m wide

Deiseen

tonc76 wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.

Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.

Semple is also 145m X 80m. Semple looks bigger due to the high stands. WP looks tiny as you are never more than a few metres above the pitch, giving the impression that it's tiny.

enoughtaken

914 wrote: »

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Some misinformation there.

Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

Attendance for limerick v waterford 23,194 (gaelic grounds capacity just shy of 50k)

Attendance for cork v limerick 34,607 (PUC capacity (45000)

Far from full in both your suggestions.

Clares population is similar to waterfords a bit more 120k and they couldn't fill cusack for their game against us 13k or so attended.

Think that shows walsh will be more than capable

100% correct. If They can get pitch right should make a good stadium. For all there shortfalls you have to give them credit for getting planning permission over the line.

deiseach

thesaturdayman wrote: »

it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

Of course the county board know all of this information!!

Can you please explain how you came by these figures before I waste my time trying to mash together League and Championship results? In the meantime, these are our Championship records for the grounds mentioned since 1998:

Walsh Park P5 W5 D0 L0 100%
Semple Stadium P38 W20 D5 L13 59%
Páirc Uí Chaoimh P10 W5 L5 50%
Gaelic Grounds P4 W0 D1 L3 13%
Nowlan Park P2 W0 D0 L2 0%