Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

KevIRL

It's brilliant to have so many options throughout the squad, competition for places is only a good thing. Also, as we know from last years championship injuries and suspensions will be a factor. I daresay we won't have a full available squad at any time

deise08

My biggest fear this weekend is injury. We lost 5 of our best players last year in one game, which totally scuppered our championship.
Can't wrap them in cotton wool I know, but with them all playing so well, and only weeks to the championship, it would be terrible especially as they're our first opponents...

Fred C Dobbs

Are you PTH in disguise

killbillvol2

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Are you PTH in disguise

deise08, father of PTH2009?

hurler on de ditch

briangu wrote: »

DiscoStew wrote: »

Another positive impact against Galway from Jack, won a lot of dirty balls. He has been a big plus from this league campaign. Has probably jumped ahead of a few forwards.
The 2 Bennett’s and Tommy Ryan look pretty nailed on for the inside line at present. Half forward line will have Mahony certainly but after that is open enough. Gleeson could find himself there but it hasn’t been tried yet so can’t say with any certainty. If he does fall in there then it’s probably 1 from Kearney, Prendergast, Dunford, Maurice, Curran, Roche and O’Halloran.. I think putting Maurice and Aussie in there would require a big change in style from how our half forward line is playing at present. Kearney or Prendergast probably in pole position at the moment for that spot.

You dont see a starting place for Brick in the half forwards?

Nah ,wouldn't see brick start anywhere

Mastermcgrath

blueflame wrote: »

Interesting question raised by "Giveitfong" about playing a third Bennett in the full forward line. My preference despite Tommy Ryan's really impressive form and strong claim to date would be to play Patrick Curran in along side them. I just think that Curran has shown over the years to be on completely on the same wavelength as the two Bennetts and is a natural scorer. Curran suffered under the last management regime but there is no doubting his talent for me and his goals against Laois before being injured showed me that he was returning to form. These three lads have always wreaked havoc when played together. Tommy Ryan with his pace and directness could be very effective from wing forward. I know lads talk about ball winners, but there are differenet ways to win the ball!!

That forward line is also the reason i would play Aussie Centreback, because his delivery, distribution and his understanding of these lads movement is second to none, he is more than capable of supplying the ammunition into them. .

Couldn’t agree more about Curran. If we can get himself and Stephen Bennett in a full forward line complimenting each other like they did when wreaking havoc at minor and u21, that would be a serious line. But Curran has to get up to scratch himself, normally plays better when leading the attack and taking the frees. He’ll have to find away to get himself into the game as that won’t always be the case at senior level

He’s 22/23 now and the previous system is banished, so it’s time for him to step up to the mark himself.

whiteandblue

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more about Curran. If we can get himself and Stephen Bennett in a full forward line complimenting each other like they did when wreaking havoc at minor and u21, that would be a serious line. But Curran has to get up to scratch himself, normally plays better when leading the attack and taking the frees. He’ll have to find away to get himself into the game as that won’t always be the case at senior level

He’s 22/23 now and the previous system is banished, so it’s time for him to step up to the mark himself.

The issue with Curran having to work himself in to games means that he mightn't work as an impact sub in comparison to Tommy Ryan who when a game opens up and is loose, his pace can cause havoc against tired corner-backs.

However, I think Ryan deserves to start, he is in his late 20's now and has been on the periphery of the starting team and panel for almost 10 years but when called upon, he has always given his all and made some impact. He has steadily improved, particularly in the last 2 years and I'd say corner-backs see him as a nightmare to mark. Although Curran is a superbly talented hurler who can score at ease, he perhaps lacks that killer pace and upper body strength but as said, he is till only 22/23.

Great to have these dilemmas as there are plenty of more options for the full-forward line that I haven't mentioned.

carter10

whiteandblue wrote: »

The issue with Curran having to work himself in to games means that he mightn't work as an impact sub in comparison to Tommy Ryan who when a game opens up and is loose, his pace can cause havoc against tired corner-backs.

However, I think Ryan deserves to start, he is in his late 20's now and has been on the periphery of the starting team and panel for almost 10 years but when called upon, he has always given his all and made some impact. He has steadily improved, particularly in the last 2 years and I'd say corner-backs see him as a nightmare to mark. Although Curran is a superbly talented hurler who can score at ease, he perhaps lacks that killer pace and upper body strength but as said, he is till only 22/23.

Great to have these dilemmas as there are plenty of more options for the full-forward line that I haven't mentioned.

Agreed, we are well served in the inside line and having re watched last Sundays game we have a number of new backs putting up their hand as well. Our problem area in the half forward line, we are lacking there. Mahony is the only one i'd have down as automatic choice. After that we seem to have a lot of similar players none of whom are really stand out. Physically we are light in this area as well. However as more teams are now playing the short passing game this may not be as big an issue as it once was, we might just need to be smarter with our puck outs.

hurler on de ditch

hardybuck wrote: »

DiscoStew wrote: »

I would see Maurice more in this role also. I’m not sure if he’s perfectly suited to the way our half forward line is playing at present, working very hard between the 2 45’s, dropping deep and using the ball well to supply the full forward line.

Would see him coming into the full forward line altogether whenever one of the Bennetts has run themselves into the ground.

would you think the brick would be able to hold Jaime Barron. Realistically he wouldn't get close .he is far from the brick of old .legend yes .but just another year to much. I think his role now is experience in the dressing room but playing days are just about over .cannot realistically see him start in the championship

DiscoStew

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

would you think the brick would be able to hold Jaime Barron. Realistically he wouldn't get close .he is far from the brick of old .legend yes .but just another year to much. I think his role now is experience in the dressing room but playing days are just about over .cannot realistically see him start in the championship

Do I think the Brick could hold Jamie Barron? No. I don’t recall suggesting that at any stage either??? I suggested he could possibly partner Barron and play a holding role around the middle, allowing Barron to foray forward as he does so well. Having Brick midfield could allow him to compete for puckouts and rucks with both the half forward and half back line, which Brick is so successful at.
Alternatively if Gleeson was to play wing forward Kearney could play midfield but I think he and Barron are both very similar players. Conor Gleeson if not required in the full back line could also feature in midfield, as could Darragh Fives if indeed he is nearing full fitness.

mountgomery burns

Tommy Ryan is 31 this year I'm fairly certain

KevIRL

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Tommy Ryan is 31 this year I'm fairly certain

He'll be 30 in Sept

puzl

He was also our top scorer from play last year.

And hasn't exactly gone of the boil this year. I'd say a start for him is as close to assured as any forward can be on this very very deep panel.

KevIRL

Game will be played Sunday or BH Monday if postponed tomorrow

bemmet

KevIRL wrote: »

Game will be played Sunday or BH Monday if postponed tomorrow

Whats the talk of postponement ?......is it a possibility?

fricatus

bemmet wrote: »

Whats the talk of postponement ?......is it a possibility?

Heavy rain countrywide from tonight until early afternoon tomorrow, with spot flooding likely. Same conditions that led to the pitch being waterlogged on the day the Galway match was originally scheduled for.

Sunny spells and scattered showers on Sunday, scattered light rain on Monday, so less likelihood of waterlogging then.

Giveitfong

Counties Waterford, Kilkenny and Wexford are all excluded from the 16 counties for which the Met Office issued a status yellow weather warning today. However, the Met Office forecast for Waterford City tomorrow is for continuous rain from 4 am up to 3 pm, with spells of heavy rain. It is due to clear up after 3 pm! Sunday and Monday are expected to be dry in the city.

PTH2009

Anxious wait then

KevIRL

Sok
McNulty
Phil Mahony
Connors
C Lyons
Moran
Gleeson
C Roche
Barron
Prendergast
Kearney
Pa Mahony
Ryan
Bennett
Bennett

IanVW

1 s o keefe
2 mcnulty
3 philip mahony
4 noel connors
5 callum lyons
6 kevin moran
7 austin gleeson
8 jamie barron
9 colm roche
10 jack prenderghast
11 mikey kearney
12 pauric mahony
13 thomas ryan
14 s bennett
15 s bennett

upthedeise16

Interesting choice at full back anyway! Few changes, good to see more lads getting a chance

hurler on de ditch

DiscoStew wrote: »

Do I think the Brick could hold Jamie Barron? No. I don’t recall suggesting that at any stage either??? I suggested he could possibly partner Barron and play a holding role around the middle, allowing Barron to foray forward as he does so well. Having Brick midfield could allow him to compete for puckouts and rucks with both the half forward and half back line, which Brick is so successful at.
Alternatively if Gleeson was to play wing forward Kearney could play midfield but I think he and Barron are both very similar players. Conor Gleeson if not required in the full back line could also feature in midfield, as could Darragh Fives if indeed he is nearing full fitness.

well what I was getting at was .if he can't handle the likes of Barron .he's going to struggle .every player has their day.I think someone mentioned that in the all Ireland Final vs Galway that he did not have one possession in the second half of the game and that tells it's tale ,many like to think he's the same Brick that lined up alongside Molumphy back in the day .when they were a match if not bettered some of the finest midfield pairings from Cork, Tipp and KK at the time .I think you're alluding to the fact that kearney and brick are similar when in fact they could not be more different esp when it comes to the all important scoring from player .chalk and cheese there I'm afraid .all the above you mention. both gleesons , Kearney Barron, are all streets ahead of the brick at this stage of his career. Jury is out on D.Fives as we haven't seen him have a run at all over the last few years .

DiscoStew

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

I think you're alluding to the fact that kearney and brick are similar when in fact they could not be more different esp when it comes to the all important scoring from player .

Have another read of my post, because that is most certainly not what I said.

DiscoStew

IanVW wrote: »

1 s o keefe
2 mcnulty
3 philip mahony
4 noel connors
5 callum lyons
6 kevin moran
7 austin gleeson
8 jamie barron
9 colm roche
10 jack prenderghast
11 mikey kearney
12 pauric mahony
13 thomas ryan
14 s bennett
15 s bennett

Good to see few more players tried and trying out another full back option. Interesting to see how that works out.

PTH2009

if its too be cancelled hopefully they will know early and not like 2 weeks ago near throw in time

****ing weather

hurler on de ditch

DiscoStew wrote: »

Have another read of my post, because that is most certainly not what I said.

Ah yeh .you had so many scenarios .I was finding it hard to understand it .

Mastermcgrath

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

well what I was getting at was .if he can't handle the likes of Barron .he's going to struggle .every player has their day.I think someone mentioned that in the all Ireland Final vs Galway that he did not have one possession in the second half of the game and that tells it's tale ,many like to think he's the same Brick that lined up alongside Molumphy back in the day .when they were a match if not bettered some of the finest midfield pairings from Cork, Tipp and KK at the time .I think you're alluding to the fact that kearney and brick are similar when in fact they could not be more different esp when it comes to the all important scoring from player .chalk and cheese there I'm afraid .all the above you mention. both gleesons , Kearney Barron, are all streets ahead of the brick at this stage of his career. Jury is out on D.Fives as we haven't seen him have a run at all over the last few years .

You’ve been writing off brick on here with years.

Prior to 2017 your words were; ‘every dog has it’s day’ what happened in 2017? brick won an all star

Interesting to see you alluding back to 2017 still trying to argue he wasn’t good enough

Your judgement is so wide of the mark at this stage it’s good news when you’re writing a player off it means he’s allstar material!

Give it up boy

Jjjjjjjbarry

Philip Mahony at full back is interesting and not something I’d considered. It’s well worth a try and could be a master stroke if it works as it’s the only way to get Aussie in that half back line once TDB is back fit. Philip could be safe as houses back there. I still think Prunty is the man for full back and we should play Philip where he’s more comfortable but fair play to the new manager for trying this as with the injuries we have, we need plans b and c and d.

puzl

It'll be a baptism of fire for Philip anyway. Clare really loving a good run at the full back line. Win or lose I'll be happy if experimentation produces good results. We could be seeing a bit of shadow boxing too. Clare first in the championship at home is really a must win game, we don't want to be playing catch-up when we go to Thurles.

PTH2009

So will the match be on ?

mickmackmcgoo

PTH2009 wrote:

So will the match be on ?

Yeah it's on. Passed inspection. We didn't get that much rain overnight

PTH2009

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Yeah it's on. Passed inspection. We didn't get that much rain overnight

Good

Pissing it down now and high wins. Not a day for free takers

Jjjjjjjbarry

Could be a game of two halves again. I wonder are we going to see Aussie and Tony Kelly squaring up again? They seem to have it in for each other every time they meet. My favourite though was down in Ennis last year when Kelly was pushing Tommy Ryan around and Kevin Moran ran 40 yards to level Tony Kelly with a shoulder who went down in classic 'I've just been shot' pose. Unfortunately Moran saw red that day so it was a bad move as third man in and captain. Shanagher will be a right handful for Mahony at full back.

Clare (HL1 QF V Waterford): Donal Tuohy; Seadna Morey, David McInerney, Jack Browne; Patrick O’Connor, Conor Cleary, Cathal Malone; Shane Golden, Colm Gavin; Peter Duggan, Tony Kelly, Aidan McCarthy; Gary Cooney, Aron Shanagher, Podge Collins

Jjjjjjjbarry

Cusack Park in Ennis is waterlogged and the football is cancelled. Thanks be to jasus we got the home game for the hurling.

hurler on de ditch

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

You’ve been writing off brick on here with years.

Prior to 2017 your words were; ‘every dog has it’s day’ what happened in 2017? brick won an all star

Interesting to see you alluding back to 2017 still trying to argue he wasn’t good enough

Your judgement is so wide of the mark at this stage it’s good news when you’re writing a player off it means he’s allstar material!

Give it up boy

Tell me again what we won in 2017 .

hurler on de ditch

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

You’ve been writing off brick on here with years.

Prior to 2017 your words were; ‘every dog has it’s day’ what happened in 2017? brick won an all star

Interesting to see you alluding back to 2017 still trying to argue he wasn’t good enough

Your judgement is so wide of the mark at this stage it’s good news when you’re writing a player off it means he’s allstar material!

Give it up boy

you'd probably still be picking Tony Browne

KevIRL

Footballers beat London 2-9 to 0-7

PTH2009

KevIRL wrote: »

Footballers beat London 2-9 to 0-7

Great win 3 in a row too

KevIRL

Hogan in for tommy Ryan

PTH2009

Galway win and will play the winners of us vs Clare

Decent crowd up here pitch looks ok

Deise_2012

Great performance, Stephen Bennett has well and truly been let off the leash. That should be Conor Cleary gone for the first game in Munster. And I hope Patrick O’Connor gets suspended for his low blow on Shane Bennett. Galvin looked to have a bad injury coming off as well. Onwards and upwards !!

puzl

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Tell me again what we won in 2017 .

Beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 something years. If you don't care about that then you don't care about Waterford hurling.

Won a knockout game in croke park. Not a common occurance.

And to stay on topic, brick won an all-star. Which was the point being made originally.

seananigans

PTH2009 wrote: »

Galway win and will play the winners of us vs Clare

Decent crowd up here pitch looks ok

is there no clause to aovid repeat fixtures ? seems to make more sense to play a 1a side

Deiseen

puzl wrote: »

Beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 something years. If you don't care about that then you don't care about Waterford hurling.

Won a knockout game in croke park. Not a common occurance.

And to stay on topic, brick won an all-star. Which was the point being made originally.

Of course it's entirely Brick's fault that we didn't win anything that year. Entirely!

hurler on de ditch

puzl wrote: »

Beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 something years. If you don't care about that then you don't care about Waterford hurling.

Won a knockout game in croke park. Not a common occurance.

And to stay on topic, brick won an all-star. Which was the point being made originally.

Don't ya just love moral victories

Donald Trumped

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Great performance, Stephen Bennett has well and truly been let off the leash. That should be Conor Cleary gone for the first game in Munster. And I hope Patrick O’Connor gets suspended for his low blow on Shane Bennett. Galvin looked to have a bad injury coming off as well. Onwards and upwards !!

Congrats from a most disappointed Clare fan today. When this Waterford team throw off the shackles and play this brilliant attacking hurling they are a joy to watch. Fair dues to the Deise men. Serious contenders for Liam McCarthy glory come August. I would disagree with you on one thing though. Cleary red card will be overturned. Exceptionally harsh in my opinion. Totally accidental. Didn't see the incident that led to the Duggan red card though.

PTH2009

Great performance and great win

Galway again next weekend

Thurles would be the sensible option but its hosting tipp vs Clare in the football next Sunday 24th at 2pm so rules out a double header there with the other semi final. Sat 23rd maybe

seananigans

puzl wrote: »

Beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 something years. If you don't care about that then you don't care about Waterford hurling.

thats me laughing holding the nephew in the middle, be a long time till i forget that one

Deiseen

Donald Trumped wrote: »

Congrats from a most disappointed Clare fan today. When this Waterford team throw off the shackles and play this brilliant attacking hurling they are a joy to watch. Fair dues to the Deise men. Serious contenders for Liam McCarthy glory come August. I would disagree with you on one thing though. Cleary red card will be overturned. Exceptionally harsh in my opinion. Totally accidental. Didn't see the incident that led to the Duggan red card though.

Thought both were soft enough but at least we were well ahead at that stage.

I think there was a bit of intent with the cleary one but there wasn't any force in it so will be hard to see how they deal with it.

puzl

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Don't ya just love moral victories

One sure way to prevent the successes of the future is to spit on the successes of today. Thankfully you're in a tiny minority.