Progressive Ireland -- what's next?

Permabear

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Your Face

Balloons.
I want there to be more balloons.

jiltloop

We're still lagging way behind on Father's rights.

Definitely should be a move towards more secular education, I don't agree with removing compulsory Irish. I hated it when I was in school but that's more because of the way it's taught. That's where the change should happen, teach it like French, German etc. Learning poems and essay as Gaeilge as if it's English is a ridiculous way to teach a language that is not already spoken conversationally by most.

Taytoland

Calm down, one nail in the coffin at a time.

whisky_galore

Fix the fcuking car wreck that is the HSE.

o1s1n

Get that fecking blasphemy law removed once and for all, makes us look ridiculous. Roll on the referendum!

Hector Savage

Definitely secular education - religion needs to be kept out of schools, feel free to practice at home.

Get rid of stupid blasphemy law.

Legalise and regulate prostitution - you'll never get rid of it.

+1 for Fathers rights.

oh yeah, and lots of balloons ... I'm for lots of balloons !!

super_furry

Hector Savage wrote: »

Definitely secular education - religion needs to be kept out of schools, feel free to practice at home.

Get rid of stupid blasphemy law.

Legalise and regulate prostitution - you'll never get rid of it.

+1 for Fathers rights.

oh yeah, and lots of balloons ... I'm for lots of balloons !!

Agree with all this and I’d add; end direct provision.

amcalester

o1s1n wrote: »

Get that fecking blasphemy law removed one and for all, makes us look ridiculous. Roll on the referendum!

I can't wait for the arguments from the No side on that, I can't see how removing blasphemy from the Constitution will result in the end of society as we know it but I'm sure they'll make that claim.

jiltloop

o1s1n wrote: »

Get that fecking blasphemy law removed one and for all, makes us look ridiculous. Roll on the referendum!

Not only that, there should also be an investigation into how this was passed very recently without any public will. How much tax payer's money was spent on the introduction of this law, who lobbied for it (I suspect the Iona Institute was involved). It makes me genuinely angry that a nonsense law was passed under our noses without any public will but with public money spent on it.

Triangle

+1 for fathers rights. We're so far behind on these.
I'd also like something to be done on the claims culture before we get more like the USA. I.e. teaching morality in schools possibly.

Arghus

Try to fix the health service and the housing crisis: everything else can wait.

zetalambda

Just look at what's happening elsewhere in the western world to see what's coming here next. I see a softening on the laws regarding cannabis within a few years.

Tabnabs

Euthanasia, only very narrowly defeated in the Portuguese parliament recently, it's time to give all citizens control over their bodies.

yourdeadwright

Has to be only one thing and one thing only

Getting rid of traffic lights on or 10 yards after roundabouts , Absolute worst thing about living in Ireland ,

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Dick Rimmington

1. assisted/accompanied suicide. terminally ill should be allowed to end their own lives in dignity if they choose to do so.
2. legalize/decriminalize cannabis. this is a no brainer.

i agree on previous comments regarding the HSE, the healthcare system here desperately needs an overhaul, its frightening.

spurious

Triangle wrote: »

I'd also like something to be done on the claims culture before we get more like the USA. I.e. teaching morality in schools possibly.

Or during the training of solicitors.

GLaDOS

Secular education (well, removing the baptism barrier) is already in the works

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/law-removing-baptism-as-requirement-for-school-entry-passed-by-d%C3%A1il-1.3514882

facehugger99

Just from the top of my head..............


Legalise, regulate and tax drug use.

Legalise, regulate and tax prostitution.

Remove all religious education from the education system - let people teach their kids at home if they want.

Remove the requirement to learn Irish from the education system.

Allow euthanasia in controlled circumstances.

NickNickleby

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Killing old people.

em......

I'm 63. Once upon a time I thought 40 was ancient.

Will there be room for me in your new world? Or is it time to start ticking of the items in the bucket list:eek::eek::eek:

I could be Ernest Borgnine! Feed me up then feed me to the masses. :pac:

Creative83

Permabear wrote: »

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Rubbish! There are many people on lower incomes not paying a cent in tax. If it was progressive everyone should be contributing!

Hector Savage

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just from the top of my head..............


Legalise, regulate and tax drug use.

Legalise, regulate and tax prostitution.

Remove all religious education from the education system - let people teach their kids at home if they want.

Remove the requirement to learn Irish from the education system.

Allow euthanasia in controlled circumstances.

ah yes legalise,regulate and tax drugs forgot about that one ....

its perfect, lots of money can be spent on health service + puts the gangsters out of business ... win win

Permabear

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Taytoland

The same women who said to trust them with their own bodies on abortion will be the same ones against escorting/prostitution. So it's not about rights or any of that, it's about ideology, controlling the narrative they want to prevail over society.

Otherwise why aren't they marching to legalize the buying of sex between two consenting adults?

baldbear

Bring back the Pink snack. The 3 fingered one not the cheap 2 finger one.

kunst nugget

Creative83 wrote: »

Rubbish! There are many people on lower incomes not paying a cent in tax. If it was progressive everyone should be contributing!

Eh, that's why it's called a progressive tax system. The people that can afford to pay the least, pay the least and those who can afford to pay more, pay more - in theory anyway. They are still paying tax indirectly through VAT and the like.

jiltloop

As mentioned above, insurance claim culture needs to be urgently tackled in this country. Limits should be placed on all personal injuries settlement.

The effects of this are not only being felt by anyone who pays car insurance but apparently there are regular public events all over the country that are dying off because they can no longer afford the public liability insurance. Some premiums have gone up as much as 400% in 5 years.

Solicitors and the people who are initiating these ridiculous and spurious claims are directly affecting small rural communities who rely on things like markets and fairs and to keep ticking over (both financially and socially). This is only one example type as well!

Red_Wake

The Bertie Bowl.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I would like to see a tax system that rewards high education standards and hard work rather than discourage it.

We should also as alter our social welfare system so the benefits are reduced in a growing economy such as now and increased in a weakening economy or recession i.e. provide a push for people to be in the workforce when opportunities are available but ensure people have a good safety net when the economy tanks.

kunst nugget

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The father's rights issues and their importance are only starting to gain traction and they will become more prominent as campaigning increases. The abortion referendum and women's rights didn't appear out of nowhere as a vote getter - it was the result of decades of campaigning.

baldbear

kunst nugget wrote: »

Eh, that's why it's called a progressive tax system. The people that can afford to pay the least, pay the least and those who can afford to pay more, pay more - in theory anyway. They are still paying tax indirectly through VAT and the like.

Saying a progressive tax system is where 36% of income earners are not paying tax is crazy. Its vote getting from the government.



People on low incomes should pay tax even a really small amount. They are benefiting from services so should contribute.

jiltloop

amcalester wrote: »

I can't wait for the arguments from the No side on that, I can't see how removing blasphemy from the Constitution will result in the end of society as we know it but I'm sure they'll make that claim.

I think the Yes posters should just be placed beside the No posters and just be pictures of people pointing and laughing in the direction of the No poster.

No words needed.

Kumejima

Looking at attractive women to become a hate crime

Permabear

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Franz Von Peppercorn

jiltloop wrote: »

Not only that, there should also be an investigation into how this was passed very recently without any public will. How much tax payer's money was spent on the introduction of this law, who lobbied for it (I suspect the Iona Institute was involved). It makes me genuinely angry that a nonsense law was passed under our noses without any public will but with public money spent on it.

I think we should spend money on civics lessons.

Danny Donut

If they coould do something about the weather be grand so.


Something a bit like South of France and we can turn the place over to vineyards and olive groves.

Taytoland

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Irish women don't want their husbands, if they're bored in the bedroom, to be able to stroll down the street and buy perfectly legal sex from 19-year-old Svetlana. Which is understandable, to a point, but it also exposes the self-interest and illogic at the heart of the "women's bodily autonomy" argument.[/quote]
It showed the argument to be a lot of nonsense. Wish they would just be honest as you outline. It's because they don't want their men running off buying fanny basically and don't want other women having control over what they do with their own body. Hypocrites.

Ulysses Gaze

Get rid of the blasphemy law, legalise and tax prostitution, legalise and start taxing drugs.

ancapailldorcha

Taytoland wrote: »

The same women who said to trust them with their own bodies on abortion will be the same ones against escorting/prostitution. So it's not about rights or any of that, it's about ideology, controlling the narrative they want to prevail over society.

Otherwise why aren't they marching to legalize the buying of sex between two consenting adults?

I can understand why people are uneasy with prostitution being legalised. The demand for its legalisation isn't nearly enough for the status quo in Ireland to change, unfortunately. The abortion referendum came about after many years of campaigning for something that Roy Jenkins did in the UK 50-dd years ago.

It's a shame because the people who suffer are the women working in the industry while the state runs up the expenses of enforcing the prohibition and the gangsters and traffickers cash in. It's even legal in Christian Democratic Germany FFS.

Otherwise ditch the blasphemy law, legalise Cannabis, abolish the licence fee, make Irish optional in schools and move aggressively to a secular state.

Geuze

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These already exist, for many years.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/equality_in_work/equality_in_the_workplace.html

Ulysses Gaze

Permabear wrote: »

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Men can do that anyway. There is little to no enforcement of the law here in Ireland.

Anyway, websites like Seeking Arrangement are making it even easier to pay for hook ups.....

Franz Von Peppercorn

baldbear wrote: »

Saying a progressive tax system is where 36% of income earners are not paying tax is crazy. Its vote getting from the government.

People on low incomes should pay tax even a really small amount. They are benefiting from services so should contribute.

You are mixing up two versions of the word progressive. One means (vaguely) liberal, democratic etc. In the tax sense it merely means that as you progress through the income tax bands you pay more.

Geuze

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

, legalise and tax prostitution.

Prostitution was only made illegal last year.

Well, the purchase part was made illegal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/minister-for-justice-signs-new-laws-on-sexual-offences-1.3026288

Ulysses Gaze

Geuze wrote: »

Prostitution was only made illegal a few years ago.

It was never really legal though.
And it is only illegal to purchase now.

Feminists like Katherine Zappone pushed for that.

Its all alt right

Come down's a biatch :pac:


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Geuze

super_furry wrote: »

end direct provision.

I agree.

Most asylum seekers are bogus, yet we allow them to appeal over and over.

Operation Vantage has shown that there have been hundreds of sham marriages.

We need to close these centres, and quickly deport these bogus asylum-seekers.

mariaalice

Will we not have to invest in some counseling for all those who blame conservative repressed Irish society for their own neurosis as they will have nothing to blame anymore, the shock might be too much.

Geuze

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We have state owned secondary schools, = VEC/ETB.

Most towns have an ETB school.

Is that enough?

Is giving parents the choice of a state-owned school enough?

draiochtanois

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Permabear

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