Progressive Ireland -- what's next?

Taytoland

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

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Prostitution was only made illegal a few years ago.

It was never really legal though.
And it is only illegal to purchase now.

Feminists like Katherine Zappone pushed for that.

A hypocrite.

timaru89

Permabear wrote: »

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Yes please

kunst nugget

So, really, this is just another thread to bash women?

ancapailldorcha

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That's likely part of it. I'm not too bothered what labels he ascribes to himself to be honest if he is helping to make Ireland more progressive.

Rhys Essien

Instead of scrapping Irish in schools,they need to to fully overhaul how it is taught.Maybe only teach it two or three days a week and add a fun element to it.

Also bring in Mindfulness classes and maybe AI/Robotics classes.

Shurimgreat

Progressive Ireland - what next?

Let me see..

More people on hospital trolleys.
More Cervical Cancer victims
More Garda Corruption
Longer hospital waiting lists
Higher House prices
More children homeless
Luas and M50 even more congested

We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.

Taytoland

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Progressive Ireland - what next?

Let me see..

More people on hospital trolleys.
More Cervical Cancer victims
More Garda Corruption
Longer hospital waiting lists
Higher House prices
More children homeless
Luas and M50 even more congested

We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.

The elites control the resources while throwing the crumbs (social policies) to the pheasants and they eat it up.

mariaalice

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Progressive Ireland - what next?

Let me see..

More people on hospital trolleys.
More Cervical Cancer victims
More Garda Corruption
Longer hospital waiting lists
Higher House prices
More children homeless
Luas and M50 even more congested

We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.

Woul you go away while its not perfect Ireland does well in world terms. Have you ever been to a third world or even developing country.

amcalester

Taytoland wrote: »

The elites control the resources while throwing the crumbs (social policies) to the pheasants and they eat it up.

Why wouldn't they, pheasants love crumbs.

weldoninhio

mariaalice wrote: »

Woul you go away while its not perfect Ireland does well in world terms. Have you ever been to a third world or even developing country.

Ma, is there anything to eat, i'm starving.

No, but we are doing well in world terms.

P_1

Taytoland wrote: »

The same women who said to trust them with their own bodies on abortion will be the same ones against escorting/prostitution. So it's not about rights or any of that, it's about ideology, controlling the narrative they want to prevail over society.

Otherwise why aren't they marching to legalize the buying of sex between two consenting adults?

SWERFs and TERFs really annoy me. Though it's a shame to see the left fragment again. I thought we were better than that

Shenshen

amcalester wrote: »

I can't wait for the arguments from the No side on that, I can't see how removing blasphemy from the Constitution will result in the end of society as we know it but I'm sure they'll make that claim.

They'll claim it'll make Muslims throw bombs.

Wheeliebin30

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ma, is there anything to eat, i'm starving.

No, but we are doing well in world terms.

Who’s starving in Ireland?

weldoninhio

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who’s starving in Ireland?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/food-bank-to-open-in-roscommon-for-new-poor-1.3141035

http://www.midwestsimon.ie/food-bank/

http://www.crosscarefoodbank.ie/

eagle eye

All these secular education posts annoy me. I'm not religious but I like it being taught in schools because reading the Bible gives very good guidance to kids.

A lot of the stories are wonderful and helps a child to develop a good imagination.

If you want secular education get up off your backside and start up a new school. Don't go asking schools to change, this will only upset a lot of people.

professore

jiltloop wrote: »

Not only that, there should also be an investigation into how this was passed very recently without any public will. How much tax payer's money was spent on the introduction of this law, who lobbied for it (I suspect the Iona Institute was involved). It makes me genuinely angry that a nonsense law was passed under our noses without any public will but with public money spent on it.

It was already in the constitution since the foundation of the state. There was no law "passed" just penalties set.

The 1937 Constitution states "The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law"[35][n 2] and "The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion."[39] The Constitution also guarantees certain rights "subject to public order and morality", including citizens' right "to express freely their convictions and opinions"[35] and "[f]reedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion".[40] In 1960, Paul O'Higgins criticised the 1937 Constitution's blasphemy provision as introducing uncertainty, and possibly increased stricture, compared to the common law as developed to that date.[41]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Early_history

Permabear

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mariaalice

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ma, is there anything to eat, i'm starving.

No, but we are doing well in world terms.

All the drama does a great disservice to both this country and third world countries.

Be more lama and less drama.

BarryD2

How about asking people to contribute something directly towards the necessaary improvement of public utilities they enjoy like water & sewage? That'd be progress.

Wheeliebin30

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/food-bank-to-open-in-roscommon-for-new-poor-1.3141035

http://www.midwestsimon.ie/food-bank/

http://www.crosscarefoodbank.ie/

So there’s no one starving thanks.

Now don’t we have the highest child obesity in Europe???

Maybe if parents stopped spending money on smokes drink and gambling they might have food for their kids.

ancapailldorcha

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I think that this is a good thing. There seems to be a significant amount of people who are opposing change just for the sake of it, a stance I see as illogical. The sooner Ireland ditches its hangovers from DeValera's days the better.

Permabear

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ThinkProgress

Power plants that use fat/obese people exercising to generate electricity... wait wait... just hear me out first!

You could quit your job, and the state would pay you to exercise everyday and get in shape. And in return, they are both generating renewable energy AND reducing the national healthcare costs!

Where is the downside?? Fitter healthier citizens and more clean energy!!

If you ask me, that's progressive out-of-box thinking... We could be world pioneers on the obesity epidemic!

Jimbob1977

A law that allows men to retire three years earlier due to shorter life expectancy.

A law to close shops on Sunday to protect retail employees. Sunday shutdown is becoming more commonplace again in Europe. There could be exemptions for necessary functions like restaurants and petrol stations, etc.

sbsquarepants

Euthanasia - I for one don't want to rot for years in a nursing home.

Drugs should be legalised and regulated - I have no problem with anyone taking any drug they like (I've taken plenty in my time) but only on the simple proviso that they are not in any way relieved of their responsibility. You get high and crash your car, rob someone whatever - that was your fault, being high is not an excuse, in fact if anything it should make things worse for you.

Prostitution should be legal and regulated.

And last but not least - open the offo till all hours and fúck that minimum pricing bullshít on the scrapheap where it belongs.

I might run for office, a vote for spongebob is a vote for coke, hookers, scoops and suicide:D

wes

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

A law to close shops on Sunday to protect retail employees. Sunday shutdown is becoming more commonplace again in Europe. There could be exemptions for necessary functions like restaurants and petrol stations, etc.

Some people like working Sundays, its a quite enough day, and you can get time and a half. I haven't worked retail in well over a decade, but Sunday shifts were very handy.

BTW a restaurant is not necessary at all for an exemption.

Permabear

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ancapailldorcha

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You have to judge each proposed change on its own merits. The last two referenda in Ireland have been good things in my view in that they've granted equal rights to LGBT people and reproductive rights on women.

Taytoland

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Right now, I think we have an electorate all fired up to vote for anything and everything that can be described as "progressive." There's no coherent opposition anymore. And, ironically, Fine Gael is turning out to be the most progressive party in the history of the state.[/quote]
You need balance to the force so to speak. How can everything in society just be "progressive"? Sooner or later it will just collapse on itself. Some seem to deem progressive must mean good, not always the case.

Wheeliebin30

Open the pubs on Christmas Day!!

Permabear

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ancapailldorcha

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I'm not really seeing that. It was definitely there between the SSM referendum and the 8th referendum but the other offensive articles of the constitution aren't causing sufficient disruption to people's lives to warrant campaigns in my opinion.

Plopsu

Dick Rimmington wrote: »

2. legalize/decriminalize cannabis. this is a no brainer.

Don't be daft. If you did that, how would the Gardaí be able to seize half an ounce of grass with a street value of €2,000,000.

Kumejima

Ireland seems to be patting itself on the back for becoming "the most progressive country in the world" over the last few years. We're now a shining beacon of liberalism in a world where many developed countries lurching back to the right. Thankfully we're setting a fine example and showing the benefits of becoming a more tolerant, inclusive and diverse society.

This is the narrative that will be peddled.

Whats actually happening is the same thing thats always happened. We're simply 50-60 years behind the rest of the world. We started industrialising in the 1960s when countries were looking to move a way from heavy industry. Likewise now, near 2020, we're doing things others instigated in the 70s and are only now really seeing the downsides to.

We'll keep marching down a path others are turning back from and as we pass them out, we'll smile a smug smile and anoint ourselves the leaders.

Sure tis great

chrissb8

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ma, is there anything to eat, i'm starving.

No, but we are doing well in world terms.

Would you actually just be quiet. Starving in Ireland?! are you having a laugh. There is food everywhere in this country. Literally the state will not let you go hungry even if you're homeless.

Infact have a look at most homeless people the one thing they're not lacking is food or the opportunity to get it.

whisky_galore

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Dev wasn't an unelected dictator, the Irish people put him in his position.
They were perfectly happy with a 'God-fearing Gaelic Ireland'

kunst nugget

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Plenty of people in Ireland would have voted in gay marriage and abortion but that doesn't mean they are going to have anything to do with the crazier ideas of the fringe left. The two issues I mentioned above don't have any real direct effect on people that aren't gay or don't have a crisis pregnancy so they're happy to vote them in. If it's something that directly affects them and/or their wallet, you'd see a different reaction imo.

tritium

kunst nugget wrote: »

The father's rights issues and their importance are only starting to gain traction and they will become more prominent as campaigning increases. The abortion referendum and women's rights didn't appear out of nowhere as a vote getter - it was the result of decades of campaigning.

The proposed referendum on removal of the article on women in the home would effectively be a referendum on fathers rights since it would remove the special position of marriage and the mother in the constitution. Anyone working for fathers rights should be lobbying on that basis and working to ensure anything that replaces it is father friendly

Permabear

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Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Definitely secular education - religion needs to be kept out of schools, feel free to practice at home.

The state will need to buy out the schools then - the vast majority of which are owned by a private business known as the Roman Catholic Church.

Will Irish people be willing to support the state spending billions on this purchase, when it can continue to use RCC and CoI etc property for state educational needs?


As things stand it's beyond cheeky for people to demand the removal of religious symbols from RCC properties that are being used by a (very grateful) Irish state as schools.

ancapailldorcha

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Fair point. That clearly needs the boot.

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This is surely a good thing. Bunreacht na hÉireann contains a fair amount of outdated clutter that needs removing.

Franz Von Peppercorn

P_1 wrote: »

SWERFs and TERFs really annoy me. Though it's a shame to see the left fragment again. I thought we were better than that

Not that I’m on the feminist left but the terfs didn’t breakaway from the mainstream feminism but vice versa.

Tell me how

Kumejima wrote:

Whats actually happening is the same thing thats always happened. We're simply 50-60 years behind the rest of the world. We started industrialising in the 1960s when countries were looking to move a way from heavy industry. Likewise now, near 2020, we're doing things others instigated in the 70s and are only now really seeing the downsides to.

We were the first country to ban smoking in workplace. That was hugely positive.
Think we led the way on bag tax.

I'm not in favour of removing Irish but agree with changing radically how it is taught.

I think we knock this country way too much. Of course there are ways to improve it but there's a lot positive about it.

wakka12

Universal basic income

kunst nugget

Tell me how wrote: »

I think we knock this country way too much. Of course there are ways to improve it but there's a lot positive about it.

We're good at some things, bad at some and terrible at others but the apocalyptic scutter that's spouted and the handwringing that goes on around these parts would melt your brains and your bollix.

NIMAN

wakka12 wrote: »

Universal basic income

Has that not be a bit of a failure where it has been tried?

Tell me how

wakka12 wrote:

Universal basic income

Finland have called a halt to a trial run of that.

My fear/expectation is that the market would adjust to recreate similar levels of disparity and need within a few years.

NIMAN

I found it kinda very Irish-like that the day after we made the progressive step of repealing the 8th, we had another 'lets sell the babies' scandal with church involvement.

Frank O. Pinion

Polyamorous marriages, and ban phenylalanine so we can have proper lucozade back.

pumpkin4life

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And helping out big pharma companies who gave him a big pile of money to get abortion put through, don't forget that one either!