Government has no plan only to divert issue to landlords

handlemaster

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/hammering-airbnb-will-not-solve-the-housing-crisis-1.3516786?mode=amp

Another nail in the coffin for the landlord. This constant landlord bashing by the government is tiresome is there no one in government that can say STOP . The issue isn't with the people providing housing its the government.

Is there any other business sector having new laws drafted on such a regular basis to stop it from functioning ?

myshirt

It's politically popular and that's what matters isn't it.

It's the same with these rent caps. How many people on here can explain why these are bad economic policies? Not many. But it sells well.

Graham

That article doesn't appear to refer to landlords.

The recommendations mentioned in the report are targeted at 'hosts' or short-term holiday accommodation providers.

handlemaster

Graham wrote: »

That article doesn't appear to refer to landlords.

The recommendations mentioned in the report are targeted at 'hosts' or short-term holiday accommodation providers.

Its refering to people who have rented their property full time with the hope thzt these properties would be rented to families instead. Thats landlords

Graham

handlemaster wrote: »

Its refering to people who have rented their property full time with the hope thzt these properties would be rented to families instead. Thats landlords

It looks to me like landlords won't be touched by this particular set of proposals.

Short-term holiday accommodation providers may take a hit if they are operating their business from a property that has planning for residential accommodation.

Semantics I guess but I'm sure you get the point.

Fol20

Graham wrote: »

It looks to me like landlords won't be touched by this particular set of proposals.

Short-term holiday accommodation providers may take a hit if they are operating their business from a property that has planning for residential accommodation.

Semantics I guess but I'm sure you get the point.

Landlords will be touched as they can only let it out for 90 days a year.

One way around this if a ll doesn’t like rental caps/ so much anti ll legislation is to let it out per room as well

Graham

Fol20 wrote: »

Landlords will be touched as they can only let it out for 90 days a year.

There are no limits on the number of days a landlord can let out a property.

There are proposals that will limit the number of days a property can be used for short-term/holiday lets where the property does not have planning permission for such use.

The_Conductor

Its thought that this sort of scheme might suit the likes of apartment owners in Galway/Cork/Dublin city centre- who might let units to students from September to June at a low rate- and then have a much higher daily rate and airbnb it on a daily basis- from June to September. Of course if students had exams in June and stayed over a little- they might get one hell of a shock when they see what it costs them!

utmbuilder

In fairness it makes a little sense in building community's , Airbnb hosts will have to issue planning notices and the neighbours who are very vested in their property can challenge

90 days is a lot of guests, many people don't want to live next door to an airbnb

The_Conductor

utmbuilder wrote: »

In fairness it makes a little sense in building community's , Airbnb hosts will have to issue planning notices and the neighbours who are very vested in their property can challenge

90 days is a lot of guests, many people don't want to live next door to an airbnb

90 days is almost every weekend- with a few vacancies in the winter.........?

Actually- its plenty for a fairly neat business model.
Get people in for Friday night or Saturday morning- and out for Sunday night- or Monday morning- inspect the property on Monday and return deposits, clean and freshen on Tuesday- peace and quiet for the neighbours on Wednesday/Thursday- and on Friday morning pop fresh milk, butter, a jar of honey and a loaf of toasting bread into the kitchen, a quick once over to make sure nothing has been over looked- and hand over to the next weekenders........

If you got a reasonable nightly rate for the weekends- and used a commercial cleaner- where you could deduct any costs- while your neighbours would want to kill you and dance on your grave- it could be highly lucrative.

davemie

90 days isn't very much, I know someone at around that level in six months. If a limit does come in, I would think the next option would be to rent the house for five months during the winter, give 28 days notice and then airbnb it during the summer until the limit is reached and repeat!

The_Conductor

davemie wrote: »

90 days isn't very much, I know someone at around that level in six months. If a limit does come in, I would think the next option would be to rent the house for five months during the winter, give 28 days notice and then airbnb it during the summer until the limit is reached and repeat!

Best bet- give it to students Sept to May- with a decent deposit and a requirement that it be deep cleaned by a named company at the elapse of the duration and no over-runs allowed- and take it back for June/July/August.........

Find out what the rules are for student accommodation- I'm certain they are not dealt with under the RTA- and copy them for the students- and then use occasional lets for the summer months?

the_syco

The_Conductor wrote: »

Find out what the rules are for student accommodation- I'm certain they are not dealt with under the RTA- and copy them for the students- and then use occasional lets for the summer months?

There may be plans to put student accom under RPZ rules. Not sure how this would affect how much the place could then be let for, during the summer months.

Graces7

the_syco wrote: »

There may be plans to put student accom under RPZ rules. Not sure how this would affect how much the place could then be let for, during the summer months.

There are quite a few ads on daft.ie for summer rentals of student accommodation already,

Thestones

The government are right on this occasion, who the hell wants to live next to an airbnb property, having different strangers every week next door. It's causing problems all over the place. While I understand from a financial view why property owners would do it it is extremely inconsiderate to neighbours and others living beside it,

arctictree

Graham wrote: »

There are no limits on the number of days a landlord can let out a property.

There are proposals that will limit the number of days a property can be used for short-term/holiday lets where the property does not have planning permission for such use.

But if the property does not have planning for short term lets, what difference does it make if the number of days is limited. Would the landlord not just ignore this restriction aswell?!

Graham

arctictree wrote: »

But if the property does not have planning for short term lets, what difference does it make if the number of days is limited. Would the landlord not just ignore this restriction aswell?!

My guess is the companies facilitating the bookings will be 'encouraged' to monitor/restrict/report the number of nights.

Similar to the current restrictions in place in London/Amsterdam

https://www.airbnb.ie/help/article/1628/night-limits--frequently-asked-questions

4ensic15

The_Conductor wrote: »

Best bet- give it to students Sept to May- with a decent deposit and a requirement that it be deep cleaned by a named company at the elapse of the duration and no over-runs allowed- and take it back for June/July/August.........

Find out what the rules are for student accommodation- I'm certain they are not dealt with under the RTA- and copy them for the students- and then use occasional lets for the summer months?

That would do what the 90 day limit intended. Create student accommodation that is currently on the Air BnB market. The way students treat their accommodation, I doubt if landlords would bother. The cleanup and repair bills would be enormous. Most likely there would be trickery with multiple identities being used.

utmbuilder

airbnb / holiday lets are banned now in certain parts of spain gran canaria etc cos they where driving up rents


i stayed in a luxury rental in Spain , apartment worth about 800k, recently with my wife and 2 kids, one of the neighbours was such a cranky **** when we bumped into him a couple of times on the elevator, i got the feeling it was his retirement and the people coming and going constantly had his head done in

Carlos Orange

Can't see people being all that happy when landlords move all their stuff to weekend only on Airbnb.

The_Conductor

psinno wrote: »

Can't see people being all that happy when landlords move all their stuff to weekend only on Airbnb.

The majority of units currently on airbnb in Ireland- are not, contrary to shrill media coverage, landlord units at all- they are owner occupied premises- a signfiicant number of which are swapped for units in other cities at weekends- with no cash involved at all......... If you drill into the information Airbnb supply to Revenue- it actually tells a different story to that portrayed in the media.

However- the flipside of this coin- is there are now at least 4 cleaning companies nationally (if not more) that specialise in servicing airbnb units (at least 2 in Dublin and 1 each in Cork and Galway). This implies there is a market for this type of service- and if properly reported to Revenue (as people are legally obliged to do)- all of these costs would be allowable costs (same as a regular landlord using a professional cleaning service at the elapse of a tenancy).