Jobseekers who are not seeking jobs

greencap

eeguy wrote: »

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

look for the one thats been written with a quill and smells faintly of fabarge eggs and truffle.

if hundreds of candidates meet the basic qualifications then you're obviously not offering something thats worthy of a heart felt 3 hr discourse filled with begging and boot licking.

Donald Trump

Jimmy Dags wrote: »

Penis size.

Different strokes for different folks


I take it you're looking for someone you can give longer strokes to?


:pac:

Donald Trump

jaxxx wrote: »

CVs and cover letters are run through specialised software that picks out certain specifics that you request of it. It'll scan the documents for specific words and then compile a list of all CVs that match your requirements. I learned that through Turas Nua funnily enough. In fairness they did help on how to configure a CV on a per job basis.

I usually include the sentence "Not a complete cunt" on mine. So that if they search for "Not a cunt" in their search, mine will pass the filter. And By adding the extra word, "complete", I'm also not telling a lie.


Take that automated computer machines. Thinking you are smart. Ya won't bate The Donald

somefeen

All these CV and cover letter experts are talking **** most of the time. You'll get conflicting information from all of them.
Present the info in a logical fashion and **** off.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Dont mean to be a smartass, but I have seen this a lot - people who are on jobseekers allowance, but they are not trying hard to find a job.

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

Is there any follow-up from DSA, to check on someone's progress?

Nah, no you wouldn't.

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Yeah, like 8 hours is not enough work to put in?
I know this Maltese girl - during the bad years, 2009 / 10, she told me she was doing 14 hour days, spent 2 - 3 hours per job application.
Had meals shoved under the bedroom door on a tray.

That didn't happen either... 3/10 for effort.

NinetyTwoTeam

where i live jobs are so scarce you couldn't spend 8 hrs in a month looking. with no transportation or means to relocate I'm stuck here.

I've did Jobbridge, and now I'm on Jobpath, have had to go in every fortnight and prove I'm looking. They are meant to be linking me in with employers too.

I've been on it 12 months and have my final meeting with them this Wednesday. Want to hazard a guess as to how many jobs they've referred me for, OP?

Here's a hint: rhymes with hero.

Rikand

Permabear wrote: »

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Thank you so much for this post. Sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time putting the effort in but your post makes all the time spent feel worthwhile

mikemac2

Jobseekers is a fraction of the welfare budget and the long term unemployed is another fraction of that

So many dole bashing threads of boards when there is infinitely more money wasted elsewhere

OP if you are so concerned about your tax euros being wasted the real culprits wear suits and work in offices

pleas advice

Jimmy Dags wrote: »

Penis size.

my CV can fit on an A6 sheet of paper, length and girth

ChikiChiki

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

where i live jobs are so scarce you couldn't spend 8 hrs in a month looking. with no transportation or means to relocate I'm stuck here.

I've did Jobbridge, and now I'm on Jobpath, have had to go in every fortnight and prove I'm looking. They are meant to be linking me in with employers too.

I've been on it 12 months and have my final meeting with them this Wednesday. Want to hazard a guess as to how many jobs they've referred me for, OP?

Here's a hint: rhymes with hero.

Maybe you should think about moving to where the jobs are as hard as that may be. It doesn't have to be forever, just view it as a temporary move.

kuntboy

Permabear wrote: »

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As someone who often interviews candidates for roles in finance, I can absolutely tell when someone is carpet-bombing companies with CVs and churning out cut-and-paste cover letters. It's endemic at present, with lots of newly minted graduates on the market.

To read the job posting carefully, thoroughly research a company, tailor a CV accordingly, and write a custom cover letter that shows a good understanding of the industry, the role, and how the candidate's job history, skills, and interests will be a good fit, can absolutely take three hours or even more.

But here's the thing -- an application like that will make people sit up and pay attention, precisely because it's not generic. It will have a much higher chance of being successful.

I would prefer that someone applied for two jobs in a day with really high-quality tailored materials than send out 50 generic CVs that are going to be in a waste-paper basket within minutes.[/quote]

Thank God I'll never work for you. Let me guess, you're a Yank who really believes that "work is life, life is work" bull5hit?

kuntboy

Oh 5hit sorry it's Permabear. The usually good Donegal fund manager living in the US who always complains about the Irish education system. Let me rephrase lol

kuntboy

PBear how are you hedging for the coming economic apocalypse? Gold/Cash?

Jim Bob Scratcher

kuntboy wrote: »

Thank God I'll never work for you. Let me guess, you're a Yank who really believes that "work is life, life is work" bull5hit?

Proper sickners, the lot of them.

Lorelli!

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

you'd probably be able to spend that amount of time for the first couple of weeks but then realistically and reasonably 1 to 2 hours would be enough time each day leaving out weekends to check for new jobs and update etc. It would do your head in looking at the same jobs with little changes from day to day! What you expect op? People out doing a Yosser Hughes on it?

Graces7

Conservatory wrote: »

It’s easy. Go to all the meetings and agree with them.
Most of these people wouldn’t get employed holding a sign for a fortune teller in temple bar.

A lot of them are on the sick but don’t want you knowing.

Even if they cut you off what are they gonna do? Let you and the kids starve?

You just go back on.

There will be about 3 or 4 out of every 100 people who will only work a couple of years in their life. They didn’t have the upbringing for working. Capitalism doesn’t work for them.

We can feed them or we can feed a security guard to stop them feeding on us.

I wouldn’t get my knickers in a twist about it.

There are folk who just are incapable of holding a steady job. Period. As incapable as if they were ill. Narrow border between that and mental illness.

Geuze

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

Never understood how people can get so riled up about people living a miserable existence on 192 a week, or whatever it is now. Government are throwing money away in so many areas on on consultants and in the legal system in particular, yet this is what gets people's backs up. Depressing.

It's not just 192 pw, though.

I know people who are on JSA for decades, plus nixer on the side [10-40k].

They got 100,000 in free third level fees and grants.

That was one of the reasons they choose JSA.

They drive an Audi Q5.

In these cases, it's no surprise that workers facing 50% marginal tax rates on any earnings over 35k get "riled".

Geuze

mikemac2 wrote: »

Jobseekers is a fraction of the welfare budget and the long term unemployed is another fraction of that

So many dole bashing threads of boards when there is infinitely more money wasted elsewhere

OP if you are so concerned about your tax euros being wasted the real culprits wear suits and work in offices

Many of the long-term inactive adults are not on JSA.

JustAThought

The abuse of SW is shocking as is the abuse by emoloyers of 'work experience' and ' interns' - dead end jobs going nowhere with no hope of a job ever at the end of them - just free labour that used be a starter job on low salary. It seems a lot of the schemes are absolute time wasters and are only keeping the people running them in profit and their staff and some others off the dole who would otherwise also be drawing down e180 a week - plus benefits. The jobseeking get the same amount almost - maybe a few pound more give or take - but the taxpayer really pays the price of these massively overfunded, densley and mindlesssly administered and cost heavy 'schemes'. As far as I recall for the ordinary non-working/job-seeking the call-in was once or twice a year and 3 proofs of job searching wanted. You do the maths. What kind of checking is that?

Permabear

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HandsomeBob

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Surprised there is still some people who are bothered about long term unemployed on the dole, don't bother me never will,don't effect me in anyway, before someone saids but the tax you pay goes towards to dole,don't care, we will always pay tax and there will always be people who never want to work,but still we have to have someone on boards to open another thread about it like its a new point.

I feel the same, it's an incredibly sad life.

By all means go after the people conning the system while also encouraging those young enough to get off the register but a lot of people who are long termed unemployed are because of well, to put it simply.....they're unemployable.

Age is against them if over 40 for a myriad of reasons. I've no problem with my tax supporting these lads and women to live. If that means they spend it on a couple of pints I could care less.

Lucena

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I feel the same, it's an incredibly sad life.

By all means go after the people conning the system while also encouraging those young enough to get off the register but a lot of people who are long termed unemployed are because of well, to put it simply.....they're unemployable.

Age is against them if over 40 for a myriad of reasons. I've no problem with my tax supporting these lads and women to live. If that means they spend it on a couple of pints I could care less.

I think we've found the Yank!

somefeen

Permabear wrote: »

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Why are people so negative about someone suggesting a job application be a thoughtful process and not a glorified leaflet drop?

This is exactly what I used to do. Didn't take me 3 hours to be fair, but I wasn't exactly applying to be CEO.

RabbleRouser2k

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I feel the same, it's an incredibly sad life.

By all means go after the people conning the system while also encouraging those young enough to get off the register but a lot of people who are long termed unemployed are because of well, to put it simply.....they're un-employable.

Age is against them if over 40 for a myriad of reasons. I've no problem with my tax supporting these lads and women to live. If that means they spend it on a couple of pints I could care less.

It's a difficult life, for sure.

It's surprising that women fare a lot better than guys in the 40+ category. Mainly cos they are seen as having raised their family, whilst guys could still decide to become dads. So women are seen as more desirable in terms of employability.

It's interesting you mention unemployability.

I knew one guy, who in his mid thirties (this was about ten years ago) went back to education. Now, most of us, in that case, would do a PLC or VTOS program in order to get points for the entry, as well as not walking in blind. He didn't. (And that's always a big 'No, no' in my books-I think the more you know, even if practising at home, the more focused you are). Yet he got accepted, via interview in the mature route, and so got accepted into a third level institution doing something along the lines of film and camera work. (The place was involved in scandals recently-for handing out masters and other things with plagiarism and so on blindly glossed over-so it was dodgy. For a few years it wasn't allowed do masters programs because of it.).

Well, friends I knew were going there at the time-and this guy, hoo boy, this guy was a piece of work. If you were stuck in a group project with him, he wouldn't even pick up a finger to work on it, but would pile on the pressure on his work mates, not turn up for weeks, get stoned and forget he was meant to do something. But he got thru each year, because of group projects and often playing the sympathy card (He had two kids at the time-didn't live with the moms, but He would talk about the hardship of having a 'family'). On another occasion he made a pass at a 19 year old girl, who slapped him across the face (I've no problem with age gaps-just this guy was meant to be in a relationship, she was in a relationship, and she wasn't gonna cheat). He failed the final year, passing by way of a repeat project.

Ten years later, a friend bumps into him-he'd just come out of the social welfare office, apparently now signed up for another course or jobs thing. Had also had third kid, and is now in his mid 40ties. He was a guy who abuses the system, in my eyes-most folks won't have one kid without the resources to look after em-he had three.

NinetyTwoTeam

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Maybe you should think about moving to where the jobs are as hard as that may be. It doesn't have to be forever, just view it as a temporary move.

Do you honestly think I have not considered this?

Seriously, any time I post about being in this situation, even though I always will state clearly, like I did in that post, that I don't have the means (MONEY) to relocate, someone will come out with this nugget.

Relocation isn't free - and relocating to where the jobs are is actually very expensive. Now you probably think that I am getting things like rent allowance, fuel allowance, etc and that if I am unable to save I must be drinking or smoking it away, but I gave up drinking almost 2 years ago.

I don't get any other benefits other than the jobseekers, it is much harder than you might think to get the other benefits. I actually couldn't get fuel allowance because the time I did on Jobbridge didn't count towards the year you need to be on the dole to qualify.

There is nothing left to save when you are paying everything out of your dole. And I am still actually paying back a loan I had to take out to finish my 3rd year of college when the gov decided to spread the burden of bank bailouts to young people by cutting grants and reintroducing fees, and I had to forgo the honours year altogether despite being accepted and having second highest marks in my year.

I'm not in this situation because I am unwilling to move, I literally hate the town I live in and would move in a heartbeat if I had the money but ironically unless I get some work I won't be able to put anything away to get a deposit together. I also have a dog (long story) which complicates things a bit.

But anyway, the point is, and what I wish people like OP would take a minute to think and understand, is that unless you are in Dublin, there aren't even enough jobs for the people that WANT to work and are employable and are seeking work and have the education and experience to be attractive to employers. So until we solve that there is little point in going after those who aren't bothered, because employers don't want them anyway.

There are people in my Jobpath group who are less than five years away from retirement age. What employers are going to be looking to hire them and what jobs do you think they should be applying for, OP? There are also people with no qualification and young kids. They won't get anything over min wage, and then they'd have to put their kids into childcare, and I imagine they'd get their extra benefits cut off. They'd be mad to apply for anything until the kids are at least school age.

It's just enraging the only time anyone cares about the unemployed is when they start thinking they have it easy and need the whip cracked on them. Yeah the dole is great craic, real easy going even though with the latest 5er rise it is still lower than it was in 2006, despite everything else skyrocketing.

Why don't you ask the government why the Jobpath program is only getting 18% or less of participants into employment if you think there are jobs for all the dole moles and we just are turning our noses up at them?

RabbleRouser2k

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Do you honestly think I have not considered this?

Seriously, any time I post about being in this situation, even though I always will state clearly, like I did in that post, that I don't have the means (MONEY) to relocate, someone will come out with this nugget.

Relocation isn't free - and relocating to where the jobs are is actually very expensive. Now you probably think that I am getting things like rent allowance, fuel allowance, etc and that if I am unable to save I must be drinking or smoking it away, but I gave up drinking almost 2 years ago.

I don't get any other benefits other than the jobseekers, it is much harder than you might think to get the other benefits. I actually couldn't get fuel allowance because the time I did on Jobbridge didn't count towards the year you need to be on the dole to qualify.

There is nothing left to save when you are paying everything out of your dole. And I am still actually paying back a loan I had to take out to finish my 3rd year of college when the gov decided to spread the burden of bank bailouts to young people by cutting grants and reintroducing fees, and I had to forgo the honours year altogether despite being accepted and having second highest marks in my year.

I'm not in this situation because I am unwilling to move, I literally hate the town I live in and would move in a heartbeat if I had the money but ironically unless I get some work I won't be able to put anything away to get a deposit together. I also have a dog (long story) which complicates things a bit.

But anyway, the point is, and what I wish people like OP would take a minute to think and understand, is that unless you are in Dublin, there aren't even enough jobs for the people that WANT to work and are employable and are seeking work and have the education and experience to be attractive to employers. So until we solve that there is little point in going after those who aren't bothered, because employers don't want them anyway.

There are people in my Jobpath group who are less than five years away from retirement age. What employers are going to be looking to hire them and what jobs do you think they should be applying for, OP? There are also people with no qualification and young kids. They won't get anything over min wage, and then they'd have to put their kids into childcare, and I imagine they'd get their extra benefits cut off. They'd be mad to apply for anything until the kids are at least school age.

It's just enraging the only time anyone cares about the unemployed is when they start thinking they have it easy and need the whip cracked on them. Yeah the dole is great craic, real easy going even though with the latest 5er rise it is still lower than it was in 2006, despite everything else skyrocketing.

Why don't you ask the government why the Jobpath program is only getting 18% or less of participants into employment if you think there are jobs for all the dole moles and we just are turning our noses up at them?

Damn-I didn't realise how crap the situation is. I see people with qualifications who are working in deli jobs and other things, because they can't get into their field. Like, nothing. Others go and do masters-but that's delaying the inevitable.

I don't have any qualifications outside of a PLC(s)-might get one in the future, who knows? Too many people I know who do go and try and get work, are often left with the 'we'll get back to you' letter, and that's if they're lucky. Most company's don't reply to people looking for work.
And if you have some form of a disability-like, dyslexia, depression, anxiety etc...good luck with getting work.
They don't want the hassle. Only sporadic work. That's it.

HandsomeBob

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

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Ten years later, a friend bumps into him-he'd just come out of the social welfare office, apparently now signed up for another course or jobs thing. Had also had third kid, and is now in his mid 40ties. He was a guy who abuses the system, in my eyes-most folks won't have one kid without the resources to look after em-he had three.

Certainly that sounds like a text book scammer that should be pursued. At the very least if someone is on a course they should be trying their best and be able to demonstrate that by achieving decent grades.

I'm a bit dubious about these courses welfare will send people on as there doesn't seem to be long term support to help someone get back on the ladder. I know a guy who has been sent on a couple of ones that sound decent on paper. Payroll, Accountancy, etc.....and he's done well from them. Like really well, top of the class and all that.

He's 48, single, living at home and been unemployed for about 4 years (and that's a job he got through job bridge so he's clearly an honest type). Someone who will struggle to be competitive in getting an interview because of the stigma of his situation, so he's the exact type of person that at the end of these courses, there should be a long term plan for such as assisting him or her in getting one or two interviews......yet there's nothing of the sort. A couple of months later they'll just send them on another course. It's crap. They're not helping people.

Sponge25

Why work, when cattle like you can do it for us? We can just sit on our arse untill every "payday". Then spend it all on drugs. Thanks for your contribution.

RabbleRouser2k

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Certainly that sounds like a text book scammer that should be pursued. At the very least if someone is on a course they should be trying their best and be able to demonstrate that by achieving decent grades.

I'm a bit dubious about these courses welfare will send people on as there doesn't seem to be long term support to help someone get back on the ladder. I know a guy who has been sent on a couple of ones that sound decent on paper. Payroll, Accountancy, etc.....and he's done well from them. Like really well, top of the class and all that.

He's 48, single, living at home and been unemployed for about 4 years (and that's a job he got through job bridge so he's clearly an honest type). Someone who will struggle to be competitive in getting an interview because of the stigma of his situation, so he's the exact type of person that at the end of these courses, there should be a long term plan for such as assisting him or her in getting one or two interviews......yet there's nothing of the sort. A couple of months later they'll just send them on another course. It's crap. They're not helping people.

Text book scam indeed-I have to wonder if he lost a job by failing a urine test, or missing days for not turning up. I know some job applications require a urine test and a physical-he'd definitely not pass the urine test, for sure. He would do well on stuff like written things, essays and so-forth...but then he hadn't learned to use the software programs, which I think was Final Cut Pro (cos Macs) and would use Windows Movie Maker, or similar. If you were working with him, and you knew the software,he'd shove the stuff onto you, and do the 'I'll do the writeup'...leaving it til last minute. Often took credit for stuff he didn't do.

Agreed. I've heard of friends who have gotten employed by the institutes/ education facilities they attended. Some get jobs in the I.T department, others secretarial, others get jobs part time teaching. Often its because they may have had some learning difficulty such as dyslexia, so they know how to help people out.

Lux23

I was on the dole twice in my life. The first time was in 2010, there was hardly any jobs anywhere, but I got a decent redundancy package, and I was studying part-time, so I only focused on the posts I really, really wanted which was in PR. In the end, I had to take a volunteer position, which led to a jobbridge/Fas programme for three months and then I was extremely lucky to get a role in small PR agency. The second time was when that agency folded, and it was 2013, things were picking up, but it was all agency roles which I didn't want because they're just too precarious in my industry and I didn't want to end up back on the dole again! So, I managed to get into a Springboard course to learn more digital skills, then got some freelance work when I could, signing off when I had to and then signing on when the freelance work dried up. Once my course was finished, I started applying for civil service or safe jobs then, but in the meantime, I decided to do a jobbridge so I would have something on my CV and for my own mental health really. In the end, I got an EO position in a state body before the civil service freeze was lifted and then I left there for a better-paid job elsewhere in the sector a year ago.

In all that time though, I never spent 8 hours a day looking for a job, there was never enough jobs for a start and I had a very clear idea each time what job I wanted and needed to progress my career. Lots of people use a period like this to refocus on what they want, improve their skills etc so I don't see why they have to be applying for lots of jobs every day that they don't actually want.

Squatter

Lux23 wrote: »

Lots of people use a period like this to refocus on what they want, improve their skills etc so I don't see why they have to be applying for lots of jobs every day that they don't actually want.

They don't have to be applying for lots of jobs that they don't want if they sign up for the BTEA scheme.

But the key conditions for obtaining taxpayer support through the Jobseeker's Allowance scheme is that someone is actively seeking a job and is available to take it up if one is offered. Their game, their ball, their rules! So, if you don't like that condition, then don't apply for that payment, simples!

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

It's not just 192 pw, though.

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Last year, I returned to Ireland and went on JS. I received 114 Euro a week. I received the lower amount because I have a house with rental income which provides zero actual profit to me. But it's an asset... which I can't sell without negative equity. [I'm living in my parents home, taking care of them since they've had heart attacks recent to my return... so, I was rent free but their pensions paid the bills... so, I also got the lower SW amount]

SW initiatives for education are useless. Most useful courses are solely for people on the dole for longer than a year. Most job placement initiatives are for people on the dole for longer than a year. Fact is, most initiatives are focused on people on the dole for longer than a year. In spite of the numbers of people who go on the dole for the short term. That's even if the courses were actually worth doing, when most of them are out-dated, and employers don't respect them.

As for getting jobs, if you think it's easy to get work that actually pays a decent wage (more than SW) when you've been unemployed for a year (or worked in an unrelated area abroad), then you have no real concept of the job market here.

I have a MBA, a series of other qualifications, and found it extremely difficult to find work in Ireland that would provide more than a borderline income. In the end, I gave up on seeking work, and started my own business doing online work. Just to point out that these stories of everyone on JS gaining loads is complete BS.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's surprising that women fare a lot better than guys in the 40+ category. Mainly cos they are seen as having raised their family, whilst guys could still decide to become dads. So women are seen as more desirable in terms of employability.

Many Companies have "back to work" schemes for women who left work to raise a family, (or whatever reason they wish to give). There is a huge encouragement of female issues, and improving the opportunities of women in the workplace. I haven't seen any similar campaigns for men to go "back to work" beyond the SW initiatives.

Squatter

Deleted User wrote: »

Last year, I returned to Ireland and went on JS. I received 114 Euro a week. I received the lower amount because I have a house with rental income which provides zero actual profit to me. But it's an asset... which I can't sell without negative equity. [I'm living in my parents home, taking care of them since they've had heart attacks recent to my return... so, I was rent free but their pensions paid the bills... so, I also got the lower SW amount]

So why didn't you apply for the carer's allowance?

Squatter

Squatter wrote: »

So why didn't you apply for the carer's allowance?

I was told I wasn't eligible since my parents weren't incapacitated, or their performance seriously diminished. My parents were 'fine' after the attacks but I still needed to be here to support them in 'minor' ways. My father later fell, injured himself, and had to have a neck brace for 6 months.

I was told I was only eligible for the single JS benefit. Nothing more.

Perhaps at one stage, SW threw money out to people for extra benefits, but in my experience, they were very tight with the cash.

aidoh

myshirt wrote: »

People will try make the best choices amongst alternatives.

If you were an unemployed man with say 2 kids and a wife, with all the benefits you can get, do you know what a job would need to pay just so you can net out the same?

Conservatively, about 42-45k. And that's before you add in a few odd tommers (or side hustles) throughout the year.

If your education, work history, mental health situation, life skills, coping ability, etc doesn't land you in that bracket, then apart from a desire for self esteem, social acceptance, fitting in, feeling useful, why would you want a job that hits your family finances like that? You can't call Bord Gais and tell them you have no money, but you are feeling great. They don't accept self esteem in payment.

That's the reality lads. You can give out about it as much as you want, but there needs to be a genuine investment in education and training, investment in kids in socio-economic disadvantaged areas, and an investment in policing and community (which doesn't mean more wages for overpaid gardai). The media need to also get off the backs of young kids trying to get out of this cycle, and direct their efforts to holding our elected leaders and the rest of us accountable for helping these kids out of this cycle.

There needs to be a washout of nearly every Department of Social protection staff member on over 80k and replacement with people who can actually f#cking deliver the goods. I done voluntary work in Dublin and Limerick with a couple of these f#ckers on boards, committees, and panels, and they are beyond useless. It's the height of irony. A lot of the lower level staff could be replaced with those on the dole. At least if you get a kid coming from a family dependent on social welfare, he is normally a grafter and will work hard. The kid who got the job because Mammy or Daddy knows their way around the public service is usually the non-productive useless sack of sh't that causes this problem to persist.

If you swapped 150 "lower level" staff (clerical officers, say) for kids who are "grafters", you'll still have 150 people on the dole. They'll just be a different 150 people.

oceanman

for anyone on here who thinks life on the dole is a doddle and you get everything for free ect...here is an idea, give your job and sign on the dole for year.
don't forget to let us all know how well your life is going!

Squatter

Deleted User wrote: »

I was told I wasn't eligible since my parents weren't incapacitated, or their performance seriously diminished. My parents were 'fine' after the attacks but I still needed to be here to support them in 'minor' ways. My father later fell, injured himself, and had to have a neck brace for 6 months.

I was told I was only eligible for the single JS benefit. Nothing more.

Perhaps at one stage, SW threw money out to people for extra benefits, but in my experience, they were very tight with the cash.

Peeling back the blather, is that answer saying that you applied for carer's and were turned down, or that you didn't bother to apply?

Squatter

Squatter wrote: »

Peeling back the blather, is that answer saying that you applied for carer's and were turned down, or that you didn't bother to apply?

I went in, stated my circumstances and was told what was available for me. They knew that 114 a week wouldn't provide enough for me to cover my own bills in entirety and would need help from my parents. Repeated situational update meetings reinforced that lack.

So, no... I didn't demand a carers benefit. From your post, I get the feeling that I should have demanded such benefits. I have a shaking disorder which prevents me from doing many forms of manual labor, like bar work. Should I have demanded a disability allowance for that too?

Point is, that my situation was examined by them in rather heavy detail, with quite comprehensive statements on my financial situation, my parents situation, etc and then they delivered their appraisal. I could have appealed, but I got the feeling (from others I knew on SW, and the staff in the SW office) that wasn't a terribly likely avenue for success.

Wibbs

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I was told I wasn't eligible since my parents weren't incapacitated, or their performance seriously diminished. My parents were 'fine' after the attacks but I still needed to be here to support them in 'minor' ways. My father later fell, injured himself, and had to have a neck brace for 6 months.

I was told I was only eligible for the single JS benefit. Nothing more.

Perhaps at one stage, SW threw money out to people for extra benefits, but in my experience, they were very tight with the cash.

Ditto. I was a carer for many years of a relative who was incapacitated(dementia and multiple strokes). It took me over three years of back and forth with SW to get the allowance and even then it took a couple of hospital consultants and social workers to push hard for it. For the guts of five years before I had done it without any external financial support. Mainly because I hated the idea of looking for handouts, relying on my business until I could no longer go on site and my savings(which you can blast through fierce quickly in such a situation). More than once I was told that being self employed and of all things male was a sticking point. The self employed tend to trigger red flags and there's still a touch of the old notion that it's women in the family that will take such a role on. Now I gather I was an extreme/unlucky case of slipping through the cracks but even so from what I gather from others it's nowhere near an easy thing to get.

RabbleRouser2k

Wibbs wrote: »

Ditto. I was a carer for many years of a relative who was incapacitated(dementia and multiple strokes). It took me over three years of back and forth with SW to get the allowance and even then it took a couple of hospital consultants and social workers to push hard for it. For the guts of five years before I had done it without any external financial support. Mainly because I hated the idea of looking for handouts, relying on my business until I could no longer go on site and my savings(which you can blast through fierce quickly in such a situation). More than once I was told that being self employed and of all things male was a sticking point. The self employed tend to trigger red flags and there's still a touch of the old notion that it's women in the family that will take such a role on. Now I gather I was an extreme/unlucky case of slipping through the cracks but even so from what I gather from others it's nowhere near an easy thing to get.

From my own experiences, when my dad was terminally ill, it took a long time to get the carers allowance approved-my mom applied, but it wasn't easy, and was a few months before approval.

Knowing how things have changed since then, I imagine it's way harder to get approved nowadays.

JustAThought

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

From my own experiences, when my dad was terminally ill, it took a long time to get the carers allowance approved-my mom applied, but it wasn't easy, and was a few months before approval.

Knowing how things have changed since then, I imagine it's way harder to get approved nowadays.

Terribly hard to hear such circumstances and stories but despite the awful hardship and tragedies the jobseekers is just that - a payout for people available and looking for work. Someone not available to take up work because of other commitments is ineligable. Dosnt make your situation less heartbreaking or appalling. Carers do an impossible job and get a desultory pittance - if these people were in hospital the same government would have to pay a fortune in doctors fees, bed charges, nurses hourly salaries, pensions and overheads. Its absolutely a national disgrace how we treat carers and the people who often worked all their lives and now depend on them and are discarded into poverty and need at their time of illness by a shameless state. Id love to see carers protest and organised - irony is that they are too busy working 24/7 for a pittance to be able to ever do that. I bet 500 extra patients left in A&E every night with a film crew and journalist would focus their attention quickly enough.

RabbleRouser2k

JustAThought wrote: »

Terribly hard to hear such circumstances and stories but despite the awful hardship and tragedies the jobseekers is just that - a payout for people available and looking for work. Someone not available to take up work because of other commitments is ineligable. Dosnt make your situation less heartbreaking or appalling. Carers do an impossible job and get a desultory pittance - if these people were in hospital the same government would have to pay a fortune in doctors fees, bed charges, nurses hourly salaries, pensions and overheads. Its absolutely a national disgrace how we treat carers and the people who often worked all their lives and now depend on them and are discarded into poverty and need at their time of illness by a shameless state. Id love to see carers protest and organised - irony is that they are too busy working 24/7 for a pittance to be able to ever do that. I bet 500 extra patients left in A&E every night with a film crew and journalist would focus their attention quickly enough.

Yeah, this was 11 years ago-but as time moves on, things get more stringent. I know my uncle's brother in law had similar difficulties when his wife was dying. Also, after her passing, there was even more difficulty recovering money from her account and transferring it over. The banks were absolutely dreadful to deal with-and the sum that was recovered (from that account) was only in the region of 100 euros. (His wife had two or three accounts, but that one I think she hadn't transferred over-due to her illness and so on). Can't imagine how tough it is to transfer over larger sums.

You have to prove to the government you're dead, it seems.

JustAThought

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah, this was 11 years ago-but as time moves on, things get more stringent. I know my uncle's brother in law had similar difficulties when his wife was dying. Also, after her passing, there was even more difficulty recovering money from her account and transferring it over. The banks were absolutely dreadful to deal with-and the sum that was recovered (from that account) was only in the region of 100 euros. (His wife had two or three accounts, but that one I think she hadn't transferred over-due to her illness and so on). Can't imagine how tough it is to transfer over larger sums.

You have to prove to the government you're dead, it seems.

People who sit on the dole frim cradle to grave are with no intention of ever contributing or working are treated with more respect that someone who ran a business, took risks, made a positive contribution to society and paid his way. Its absolutely disgusting the way peoole are treated.

RabbleRouser2k

JustAThought wrote: »

People who sit on the dole frim cradle to grave are with no intention of ever contributing or working are treated with more respect that someone who ran a business, took risks, made a positive contribution to society and paid his way. Its absolutely disgusting the way peoole are treated.

I think the 'unemployed' rate here in Ireland is considerably underreported because there are many who hide behind the 'self-employed' tag, while claiming benefits. (May even be their partner is claiming single parent allowance, while house sharing).

It's similar to how the housing crisis is much worse-people are sleeping on couches rather than sleep rough.

Yester

Some people are unemployable.

CrankyHaus

Yester wrote: »

Some people are unemployable.

Some, not many. If it came down to it most people would sooner work a shift than starve.
If someone is genuinely unemployable for a genuine reason, physical or mental, then they can attempt to get on the disability list.

Giving able bodied people dole for life to avoid rocking the boat merely takes from the money we could award to carers and those genuinely in need.

Conservatory

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Some, not many. If it came down to it most people would sooner work a shift than starve.
If someone is genuinely unemployable for a genuine reason, physical or mental, then they can attempt to get on the disability list.

Giving able bodied people dole for life to avoid rocking the boat merely takes from the money we could award to carers and those genuinely in need.

It doesn’t in my opinion. Do you honestly think Leo would run into the social welfare office if everyone signed off tomorrow shouting great we can spend the money on the needy?

Social welfare budgets would just be slashed then nurses, Garda, bus drivers, train drivers and social welfare staff would, one by one, go on strike and get a slice of it.

Then in the next crash the dole budget would not go up because the union jobs arnt going to give back this pay rise.

_MadRa_

The dole is being spent in Ireland and being taxed by the Irish government, i don't see how anyone is being disadvantaged. How much of each persons dole is being spent on vat and such?

Arcade_Tryer

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

If someone just has a fixed viewpoint that they cant work then they will do everything they can not to work. I know several people who, after years and years of claiming back problems or doing stupid little courses that wont benefit them in any way, actually went to the doctor having googled the symptoms of severe depression, and got signed off from any job seeking indefinitely. My neighbour actually hasn't left the house for 2 years now due to depression which can only make your mental health worse in my view.
You have to wonder what makes a person so utterly and ruthlessly against any kind of employment.

Depression?

damianch

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Dont mean to be a smartass, but I have seen this a lot - people who are on jobseekers allowance, but they are not trying hard to find a job.

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

Is there any follow-up from DSA, to check on someone's progress?

It's a bit of a false flag tbh. When the country was doing well, c.2006 we had zero unemploment. Which means about 3% of people give or take are unemployed.

Fast forward through the recession etc , it would be disengenous to presume that all of a sudden people statistially have decided not to work, its just the pure fact that jobs are not the same any more. ) hour contracts, part time, shift work with no contract etc.

The work force hasn't en masse decided to become lazy.

Everyone knows a friends da who does feck all or a lad on the street who says its better to stay at home cos it costs him too much to get to work..

All being said, we are at 6 % unemployed now and its on a downward trend.

People didnt become lazy, the jobs etc just became more technical

Remember , when we had to work.