You'll never be in a 70s rock band - why even live?

Germazoid

Just watched Lynyrd Skynyrd performing Freebird on Youtube. Just think the kind of life those guys lived, fame, money, a harem of beautiful young groupies waiting for you at every hotel etc.

Even if you were a rock star today you'd be expected to be like Ed Sheeran. It's depressing.

verycool

*relevant Simpsons the kids are wrong or used to be with it meme*

seachto7

Ed Sheeran isn't a rock star. He's a pop star.

Conservatory

There’s no way you could book out a hotel floor for cocaine and groupies and have a private back stairs booked just for carting out dead strippers.

The sponsors would drop you once some asshole snap chatted it.

There’s something inside me that hates ed Sheeran and modern day rappers and Beyoncé.
It’s unhealthy and I should really work on that but I can’t even control my face when somebody tells me they are fans of them in real life.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

verycool wrote: »

*relevant Simpsons the kids are wrong or used to be with it meme*

... class after class of ugly, ugly rockstars ...

riffmongous

Looks like no one sent Conon McGregor that memo

Arne_Saknussem

Life's too short to listen to ****e like Freebird :P

OU812

Not even just the 70s. But 80s and even early 90s. Basically any time before the internet.

Herpes Free Since03

Conservatory wrote: »

There’s no way you could book out a hotel floor for cocaine and groupies and have a private back stairs booked just for carting out dead strippers.

The sponsors would drop you once some asshole snap chatted it.

There’s something inside me that hates ed Sheeran and modern day rappers and Beyoncé.
It’s unhealthy and I should really work on that but I can’t even control my face when somebody tells me they are fans of them in real life.

Don't be dissing Drake!!

Anesthetize

Guess what Lynyrd Skynyrd and Ed Sheeran have in common?

They're both rubbish in their own ways.

Blazer

Conservatory wrote: »

There’s no way you could book out a hotel floor for cocaine and groupies and have a private back stairs booked just for carting out dead strippers.

The sponsors would drop you once some asshole snap chatted it.

There’s something inside me that hates ed Sheeran and modern day rappers and Beyoncé.
It’s unhealthy and I should really work on that but I can’t even control my face when somebody tells me they are fans of them in real life.

Same goes for people that watch reality shows.
My opinion of their intelligence immediately drops.

wexie

Rock stars aren't being made anymore and the good ones that are still left are dying off one by one



The new ones are being judged on looks and behaviour and marketability rather than their talent and music.
Not good looking enough....that's too bad, yeah I appreciate you might well be the new Hendrix but it just won't sell on f*cking Instagram
Sorry doll, we can't have that kind of behaviour no matter how well you sing. Corporate won't like it.

:mad:

greencap

cocaine, whores, and travel to foreign lands are no longer exclusive to the rich.


a taxi via ballymun to the airport for a ryanair flight will have you on par with any 70's legend.


(ring ahead and have your 3 star hotel in magaluf set up guitar hero for you for full effect)

seachto7

Record labels indulged this behaviour. The “rock stars” either ended up dead or in rehab. Nothing impressive about that to be honest.
As there’s no money from record labels anymore, of course they won’t tolerate it. Sponsors won’t tolerate it. That’s just the way things are now.
Years ago musicians wouldn’t allow their songs on ads as it was seen as “selling out maaaaaan.”
Now it’s one of the many ways of making money and keeping the ship afloat.
I just find it funny that it was acceptable to turn up to your job out of your mind.

Vladimir Poontang

They were all killed in a plane crash

Great band though

Arne_Saknussem

seachto7 wrote: »

Record labels indulged this behaviour. The “rock stars” either ended up dead or in rehab. Nothing impressive about that to be honest.
As there’s no money from record labels anymore, of course they won’t tolerate it. Sponsors won’t tolerate it. That’s just the way things are now.
Years ago musicians wouldn’t allow their songs on ads as it was seen as “selling out maaaaaan.”
Now it’s one of the many ways of making money and keeping the ship afloat.
I just find it funny that it was acceptable to turn up to your job out of your mind.

How was the Ed Sheeran gig after, i believe sightlines and sound were a problem?

Vladimir Poontang

Ed Sheeran shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.

As exciting as beige paint drying

wexie

seachto7 wrote: »

I just find it funny that it was acceptable to turn up to your job out of your mind.

And that ladies and gentleman is precisely what's wrong with music these days.

A job....not a calling....a lifestyle....but a job...

wexie

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Ed Sheeran shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.

As exciting as beige paint drying

Seems like a nice enough chap....not exactly a rock star though is he?

somefeen

Great musicians are still around. There are guitarists out their easily on par with like of Hendrix etc right now.
But that style of music isn't popular anymore, theyre musicians musicians if you know what I mean.

They're still drowning in fanny and strangled by willy but its just Berkeley school of music sex organs that they are engorging.

Hector Bellend

Or if your were robert plant you could shove an alligators tail up a birds fanny

Royale with Cheese

Rock is becoming a niche genre, whereas it ruled the world in the 70s. It was the golden age of rock and I don't think anyone is ever going to do it better than Led Zeppelin or the Stones in their prime, maybe that's why it's falling out of favour these days. Musically I was born in the wrong decade, I listen to a lot of 70s rock and I was born in the mid 80s.

Capt'n Midnight

Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
- A Partridge


/thread

For Forks Sake

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

They were all killed in a plane crash

Great band though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ygaj8eSls

greencap

wexie wrote: »

And that ladies and gentleman is precisely what's wrong with music these days.

A job....not a calling....a lifestyle....but a job...

I'd rather all entertainers were doing it as a low-medium paid job.

Then I wouldn't have to look at the conveyor belt of auto-tuned, by-the-pool, big black ass, three ferraris in a row with all their doors open, ''lifestyles''.


Overlayed with a repetitive Yamaha synthesiser button beat chorus that a foul mouthed 5 year old could write.

wexie

greencap wrote: »

I'd rather all entertainers were doing it as a low-medium paid job.

Then I wouldn't have to look at the conveyor belt of auto-tuned, by-the-pool, big black ass, three ferraris in a row with all their doors open, ''lifestyles''.

To a repetitive Yamaha synthesiser button beat that a foul mouthed 5 year old could write.

hmmm....but the reason we have to put up with all of this terrible music is because it all has to be safe and palatable and marketable and family friendly and clean and all that bollox...

That's what I think of that

somefeen

greencap wrote: »

I'd rather all entertainers were doing it as a low-medium paid job.

Then I wouldn't have to look at the conveyor belt of auto-tuned, by-the-pool, big black ass, three ferraris in a row with all their doors open, ''lifestyles''.


To a repetitive Yamaha synthesiser button beat chorus that a foul mouthed 5 year old could write.

For the vast majority of musicians who are lucky enough to get paid for their work it is a low to medium paid job.
You'd be surprised how little some very popular acts are actually making. Unless your massive like Ed Sheeran its really not a great earner.

Cover bands is a whole other story though. Moneys good, I get 80 - 100 Euro for a 3 hour gig, but when you consider how much time it takes to become a competent musician its actually kinda crap.

greencap

wexie wrote: »

hmmm....but the reason we have to put up with all of this terrible music is because it all has to be safe and palatable and marketable and family friendly and clean and all that bollox...

That's what I think of that

yet all they do is shte on about their lifestyles.

about their hoes and their houses and their cars.


thats its. nothing more. its all about lifestyle. about how my lifestyle is sooo much better than yours.

thats why i wish they were all paid 8.65.

because they would have nothing to shte on about.

and that would mean they would disappear.

and that would mean so would their auto tune shte.

(autotune) their shte would disappear(/autotune)

Conservatory

greencap wrote: »

yet all they do is shte on about their lifestyles.

about their hoes and their houses and their cars.


thats its. nothing more. its all about lifestyle. about how my lifestyle is sooo much better than yours.

thats why i wish they were all paid 8.65.

because they would have nothing to shte on about.

and that would mean they would disappear.

and that would mean so would their auto tune shte.

(autotune) their shte would disappear(/autotune)

I’m blown away. I read the first post about putting them on minimum wage and thought “ah here we go” but now I’m picking up what you are putting down.

wexie

greencap wrote: »

yet all they do is shte on about their lifestyles.

about their hoes and their houses and their cars.


thats its. nothing more. its all about lifestyle. about how my lifestyle is sooo much better than yours.

thats why i wish they were all paid 8.65.

because they would have nothing to shte on about.

and that would mean they would disappear.

and that would mean so would their auto tune shte.

(autotune) their shte would disappear(/autotune)

Ah okay, now I get it.

I guess that would be good.

But....we'd still be stuck with a music industry that seems to value the overall package more than the talent.

I think it's sad, cause like someone said earlier, the talent's gotta be out there. It doesn't just disappear. People still play instruments and are passionate about them, people still fall in and out of love and all the ingredients for good music are still there

Somewhere out there right now is a group of 4 or 5 unkempt ugly guys making good music, and they could be great...but chances are they never will be and we'll never know...

Like these blokes



Then again...maybe it's just the industry giving the consumer what they want....not sure which would be worse to be honest.

Wibbs

wexie wrote: »

Somewhere out there right now is a group of 4 or 5 unkempt ugly guys making good music, and they could be great...but chances are they never will be and we'll never know...

Like these blokes



Then again...maybe it's just the industry giving the consumer what they want....not sure which would be worse to be honest.

Well Wex... if you go back to the Stones heyday of truly great output, mid/late 60's to early 70's* most of the stuff in the charts was middle of the road easy listening. The first and only single the Beatles released that didn't get to number one was blocked from the topper most of the popper most by this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOcW9gZv68A

Release me, by one Engelbert Humperdinck. Yep. And the Beatles single in question was of all things the double A side of Strawberry Fields forever/Penny Lane.. Double yep.

Now granted Humperdinck and the like could actually sing. No autotune required, well it didn't exist and they had to be able to do this stuff live. Even in videos, or Promotional films as they were, the general rule was that the artistes had to look like they were singing and playing instruments. The aforementioned Strawberry Fields forever/Penny Lane vids didn't show them singing(they had the money, rep and DGAF quotient so it got very trippy) and a few TV outlets wouldn't air them because of that.

TL;DR? since the charts and "popular music" kicked off most of it has been dreck or populist enough for the grannies to sing along to. Pick any time in pop history and you'll have a "Birdy song" near the top of the charts. Hell, even in Mozart's time there was enough maudlin crap to be going on with. We just remember the good and filter out the bad. If anything nowadays your choices have never been better. The world of music, past present and future is your oyster. On an endless loop on iTunes/spotify/youtube.




*they were a busted flush after that and more a cabaret act and before that they were playing catch up with the Beatles. But fair enough too. They earned their place in music and no mistake. I'd be more a Kinks/Who/Beatles fan mind you

Oscar Bravo

Quote "Pick any time in pop history and you'll have a "Birdy song" near the top of the charts"

True that! Remember when Vienna from Ultravox was kept off the top spot from this guy

Beasty

Those of us brought up in the 60s and 70s discovered what rock was about, before the punks trashed it. Those megastars of the 70s played "Stadium Rock" in the 80s and 90s. Those who survived into the noughties redefined the genre - the Monsters of Rock became the Rock Dinosaurs. And the weird thing is they can still play their guitars, beat their drums, and sing in some cases better than they ever did. Saw the Who last year - Daltrey's voice is phenomenal for a guy in his mid 70s. Queen put on a hell of a show at the 3 Arena last year. Elton John is still standing after decades at the top.

Of course we've lost the likes of Hendrix, Morrison, Bolan, Moon, Lennon, Lynott, Freddie, Harrison and Bowie, but their music stands the test of time.

When you look at the likes of the Stones, the Who, AC/DC and the remnants of Pink Floyd still playing at the highest level 40, 50+ years after they first hit the headlines I guess those of us who have been around throughout that period have something special to remember

I'm not convinced many of the recent generations of "pop" stars will still be playing at such a high level by the time I'm 6 feet under....

Oscar Bravo

Slade were a good group to. very loud!

Beasty

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Slade were a good group to. very loud!

Slade were great - they had loads of hits in the early 70s, but then tried, but failed, to conquer the States. When they came back they played Monsters of Rock at Donnington and suddenly acquired a hard rock following

Must have seen them 4 or 5 times in the early eighties and they never disappointed, even if it did appear a little strange when they were donning Santa outfits in March!

Alas Noddy had to give up due to problems with his voice. Dave Hill is still playing with Don Powell under the Slade brand (neither of them contributed to the writing of Merry XMas Everybody, so don't get the annual royalties that Noddy and Jim Lea have effectively retired on)

Wibbs

Beasty wrote: »

Those of us brought up in the 60s and 70s discovered what rock was about, before the punks trashed it.

More like before Punk lit a fire under the endless and self indulgent pretentious twittering that rock had become and get rock back to its two or three minutes get in get out, drop a hook and eff off of its beginnings. There's only so many 20 minute drum solos and yak bladder drones the open and plastic mind can take.

Those megastars of the 70s played "Stadium Rock" in the 80s and 90s. Those who survived into the noughties redefined the genre

Not really. With vanishingly few exceptions their best was in the past and they were and remain very lucrative cabaret acts appealing to nostalgia.

And the weird thing is they can still play their guitars, beat their drums, and sing in some cases better than they ever did. Saw the Who last year - Daltrey's voice is phenomenal for a guy in his mid 70s. Queen put on a hell of a show at the 3 Arena last year. Elton John is still standing after decades at the top.

To paraphrase Johnson: "Sir, elderly stadium rockers are like a dog walking on his hind legs. It is not done well, but you are surprised to find it done at all." Yes some can certainly put on a great show and as you say Daltrey is still in possession of one helluva set of pipes and Mick Jagger is a wonder of biology to be bouncing around to that degree at that age. Never mind his bouncing around on I like him for his personality ladies looking to and extending his dynasty. He's an inspiration for ageing. However it's much more about the 300 quid a ticket taxi there and back comfortable suburban nostalgia. Which is fine, but they left the leading edge of artistic relevance 30 or 40 years ago.

Of course we've lost the likes of Hendrix, Morrison, Bolan, Moon, Lennon, Lynott, Freddie, Harrison and Bowie, but their music stands the test of time.

I'd agree there.

When you look at the likes of the Stones, the Who, AC/DC and the remnants of Pink Floyd still playing at the highest level 40, 50+ years after they first hit the headlines

Still selling tickets which is amazing, but "at the highest level" is a stretch. Every single one of those named would blow the doors off their current outings when they were twenty odd years old.

I guess those of us who have been around throughout that period have something special to remember

Every generation thinks that and the older they get, the more they believe it. The "in my day" brigade, indulging the past and acting like tour guides in their own personal cultural history.

andekwarhola

The best one I read was John Bonham - when flying by private jet from Los Angeles to New York - drunkenly trying to open the jet’s hatch to take a piss while the plane was flying over Kansas City.

Coldplay would probably be too busy chairing a meeting about targeting important global vegan focus markets.

Conservatory

Keith moon turning up to a record execs boardroom meeting on a moped with a bag of cans hanging from the handle always makes me chuckle.
He drove it up in the lift

Ipso

Beasty wrote: »

Those of us brought up in the 60s and 70s discovered what rock was about, before the punks trashed it. Those megastars of the 70s played "Stadium Rock" in the 80s and 90s. Those who survived into the noughties redefined the genre - the Monsters of Rock became the Rock Dinosaurs. And the weird thing is they can still play their guitars, beat their drums, and sing in some cases better than they ever did. Saw the Who last year - Daltrey's voice is phenomenal for a guy in his mid 70s. Queen put on a hell of a show at the 3 Arena last year. Elton John is still standing after decades at the top.

Of course we've lost the likes of Hendrix, Morrison, Bolan, Moon, Lennon, Lynott, Freddie, Harrison and Bowie, but their music stands the test of time.

When you look at the likes of the Stones, the Who, AC/DC and the remnants of Pink Floyd still playing at the highest level 40, 50+ years after they first hit the headlines I guess those of us who have been around throughout that period have something special to remember

I'm not convinced many of the recent generations of "pop" stars will still be playing at such a high level by the time I'm 6 feet under....

Let’s go yell at a cloud together.

Anesthetize

Black Flag and Minor Threat did more for rock music than Lynyrd Skynyrd did.

*sits back and eats popcorn*

dasdog

Amateurs compared to John Coltrane and Miles Davis both musically and in regards to heroin fueled antics.

Ash.J.Williams

somefeen wrote: »

Great musicians are still around. There are guitarists out their easily on par with like of Hendrix etc right now.
But that style of music isn't popular anymore, theyre musicians musicians if you know what I mean.

They're still drowning in fanny and strangled by willy but its just Berkeley school of music sex organs that they are engorging.

They're not hendrix though

Tigerbaby

andekwarhola wrote: »

The best one I read was John Bonham - when flying by private jet from Los Angeles to New York - drunkenly trying to open the jet’s hatch to take a piss while the plane was flying over Kansas City.

Coldplay would probably be too busy chairing a meeting about targeting important global vegan focus markets.

Hopefully that was the back door of the 727 they hired!

I was lucky enough to see Zeppelin in 1979 and 1980. Great band live.

Nevertheless, was also blessed to see Black Label Society in the Tivoli a few weeks back with my son and his GF. Now THAT was an awesome gig too.

Like Neil Young said; "Like a water-washed diamond in a river of sin", good music is still out there.

Ash.J.Williams

It was no accident that metallica played here every year of the celtic tiger and haven't been back since in fact they even put ireland before South America the last time due to a strong euro and potential crash the following year.

machiavellianme

Anesthetize wrote: »

Black Flag and Minor Threat did more for rock music than Lynyrd Skynyrd did.

*sits back and eats popcorn*

I think you meant Big Black.

Mint Sauce

The Foos, and QOTSA can well compete against the latest generation wanna bes.

Although do often wonder, if both Groll, and Homme were starting out now, and rocked up to XFactor, would they get through. Simon probably would not consider them profitbable enough, against the more popular genres.

somefeen

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

They're not hendrix though

And Hendrix isn't them :pac:

I know that maybe you don't mean it but I'm gonna use it as a chance to get on my soap box about another pet peeve of mine. Im going on a rant not directed at you.
People just decide that Hendrix, Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan and all the usual suspects were the best there ever was and ever will be. Its a twisted romantising of the past, there are musicians out there that are absolutely mind blowingly good, equally as mind blowing as any of those guys were in their day. They don't get rated as highly because they are not Hendrix et al.
Hendrix is dead, he was unique, of course no one will ever play like Hendrix and if he was alive today Hendrix couldn't play like Steve Vai or Buckethead.

Everyone has a unique voice on their instrument that cant be replicated.

I was at a gig a few weeks ago and got to see an amazing drummer. Out in the smoking area afterwards I heard someone say "Ah yeah but he can't play like John Bonham"
Well of course he can't because he's not John Bonham. But guarantee if Bonham was alive he couldn't play like this guy either.

Never get this bollocks in any other art form. I dont hear people passing remarks about young painters like "Ah yeah but I betcha she can't paint the mona lisa like Da Vinci"

sbsquarepants

Germazoid wrote: »

Even if you were a rock star today you'd be expected to be like Ed Sheeran. It's depressing.

He's got a shed full of money, he always seems to be drunk and he got a shot of Taylor Swift and Ellie Goulding - that's not too bad for a ginger busker, you'd have to admit.

Beasty

Conservatory wrote: »

Keith moon turning up to a record execs boardroom meeting on a moped with a bag of cans hanging from the handle always makes me chuckle.
He drove it up in the lift

Driving a Rolls Royce into a swimming pool was another of his famous "pranks" - it appears though that some of these stunts were embellished either due to the passage time, or more importantly because Moon himself had absolutely no recollection of some of the things he did. He was happy to beef them up when he was a bit more sober/less high and had a reputation to protect.....

Beasty

Wibbs wrote: »

More like before Punk lit a fire under the endless and self indulgent pretentious twittering that rock had become and get rock back to its two or three minutes get in get out, drop a hook and eff off of its beginnings. There's only so many 20 minute drum solos and yak bladder drones the open and plastic mind can take.

Now come on Wibbs, we're allowed our rose tinted glasses are we not?:)

Anyway, what I would say is yes most have fallen by the wayside, but those who survived did so for a reason - mainly because they were, and still are, bloody good. I could not believe how well Daltry had aged when I saw the who last year. The year before it was AC/DC, with Angus Young increasingly reminding me of Gollum with his disappearing hairline and hunched over look. Yes they have their "props" of younger musicians to "support" them on stage. These are bands though that I saw 35 years ago, and I genuinely believe they are as good now as they were then, but in some ways better as the technology has moved on and enabled them to put on more spectacular shows. Equally I saw some rock bands that were pretty naff live - they are typically the ones that did not survive, maybe because the money now is in the tours rather than topping the album or singles charts

I never saw Pink Floyd live, but saw Roger Waters last year - to start off with I thought he was relying on his backing singers but it became quite clear that he still had it both in voice and the music.

Interestingly I did see Fleetwood Mac back around 1990, and thought they were great, but there was no Lindsey Buckingham. Saw them at the Point around 2009/10 with him and I thought they were phenomenal. Then I saw them back in 2014, and I walked out before the encore - they had pretty much their "full" complement of surviving "main" members but they came across as entirely relying on their past successes and getting no-where near their previous performance (in my mind anyway)

sbsquarepants

I just never got the appeal of Pink Floyd live - just too self indulgent and wanky for my liking.


My favourite rock and roll excess story is actually one of abstinence -

Story goes that Mick Jagger, infuriated that Charlie Watts had blown off an after show party to get an early night, rang his hotel room and demanded that "my drummer" come down and party like a rock star.
Charlie got out of bed, had a shave, put on a nice suit and duly made his way to Micks room. When Mick came over to greet him he Rocky Balboa'd him square in the jaw and then stood over him snarling "I'm not your fúcking drummer, you're my singer, don't you forget that again" and then toddled back off to bed.:D