Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

runrun2

steve-collins wrote: »

Another thing about boxing is that its the only sport on the Island of Ireland that brings every race and nationality together . Lads from the Shankill are teammates with lads from the Falls, Travellers, Black, White, Eastern European, Middle class, Working class. Its a great thing to see when a Traveller like Davey Oliver Joyce from Mullingar and Carl Frampton a man from a loyalist stronghold of Tigers Bay can be good mates. Its more of that we need not less.

Agreed, my sister worked for a newspaper for years and the Sports Journalists loved the boxing and had some very affluent connections

DellyBelly

Jeez another killing in Bray this weekend! That is frightening. I know i disagreed with a few posters who called the place a kip but this adds to their assertions about the place. Must be very scary for the locals living there

NIMAN

DellyBelly wrote: »

Jeez another killing in Bray this weekend! That is frightening. I know i disagreed with a few posters who called the place a kip but this adds to their assertions about the place. Must be very scary for the locals living there

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-found-with-serious-head-injury-outside-bray-hotel-has-died-36994453.html

DellyBelly

NIMAN wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-found-with-serious-head-injury-outside-bray-hotel-has-died-36994453.html

Thanks for that. An awful thing to happen.

Mongfinder General

NIMAN wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-found-with-serious-head-injury-outside-bray-hotel-has-died-36994453.html

What is about Bray that gives it a rough edge? I don’t live there but any time I’ve been there I’ve enjoyed it.

tomofson

tomofson wrote: »

There is romany gypsies by the name Taylor, but whether pete is of romany extraction or not I really couldn't tell you.

Looking at Pete’s facial features he does have the Roma look, but it never occurred to me before this, just as it didn’t when an old friend of years ago, Barbara Scott, who used to look after the Shelbourne Hotel flowers and was one of Ireland’s foremost experts in floristry in the 60s/70s, told my mother she was a Romani Gypsy by birth.we used to always think she had an unusual dark-skinned appearance in an Ireland of little racial diversity.

DellyBelly

Mongfinder General wrote: »

What is about Bray that gives it a rough edge? I don’t live there but any time I’ve been there I’ve enjoyed it.[/quote

Looks nice on the surface but seems to have a bad underbelly.

tomofson

Mongfinder General wrote: »

What is about Bray that gives it a rough edge? I don’t live there but any time I’ve been there I’ve enjoyed it.

What is it about anywhere that gives it a rough edge?

Lack of opportunities, alcoholism,drug addiction ect.

Rows Grower

Deleted User wrote: »

Looking at Pete’s facial features he does have the Roma look, but it never occurred to me before this, just as it didn’t when an old friend of years ago, Barbara Scott, who used to look after the Shelbourne Hotel flowers and was one of Ireland’s foremost experts in floristry in the 60s/70s, told my mother she was a Romani Gypsy by birth.we used to always think she had an unusual dark-skinned appearance in an Ireland of little racial diversity.

Cool story.

allthedoyles

Pete Taylor has said he is "devastated by the senseless murder" of Bobby Messett.
The boxing coach is believed to have been the target of the gunman who stormed Bray Boxing Club before killing the dad-of-three and shooting Taylor and another man.
Gardai investigating the murder are believed to have set their sights on a young hired gunman from Dublin’s north inner city.
He and his pal are suspected to have taken the job of killing Pete Taylor from a well-known criminal in Bray
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/pete-taylor-utterly-heartbroken-by-tragic-death-of-bobby-messett/ar-AAyrJCV?li=AAmb2oK&ocid=spartandhp

Rows Grower

It sounds like the Gardai have their homework done and are hopefully ready to press charges soon.

Agent Coulson

Gardai doing great work only to be let down by the Judiciary in this Country.



There needs to be some sort of referendum on Judicial reform.

runrun2

Whats the story with the shooting in Shankill, I know nobody was injured but very close to Bray all the same.

Happy4all

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

AfterLife

Happy4all wrote: »

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

People have different experiences of different people. Do you know no alleged adulterers that you would consider a friend?

runrun2

Happy4all wrote: »

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

Yeah, i felt the same way when I read that headline, I was thinking to myself I bet some people will think he was in with him. (Whatever in means)

GiftofGab

Happy4all wrote: »

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

Didn't see anything in it. Prob just teaching him early morning boxercise classes so called him a friend. Doesn't look like they ever knew each other outside of the gym.

Happy4all

GiftofGab wrote: »

Didn't see anything in it. Prob just teaching him early morning boxercise classes so called him a friend. Doesn't look like they ever knew each other outside of the gym.

"Bobby was my close friend"

josip

runrun2 wrote: »

Whats the story with the shooting in Shankill, I know nobody was injured but very close to Bray all the same.

Closer to Killiney than to Bray.

runrun2

josip wrote: »

Closer to Killiney than to Bray.

Leaving the types of areas out of this, whens the last time you heard of a shooting in Shankill?


I don't think its a coincidence myself that this occurred so close to the last event.


In my own opinion, Bray is no different to a 100 other areas in Dublin, it definitely has a rough part and always had but equally has some very sought after areas.



There's a handful of areas in north and south Dublin that have a thoroughly respectable reputation as far as lack of shooting etc goes but I'm sure plenty of the residents are involved in high class crime of a different nature some of which is totally legal.

brooke 2

Happy4all wrote: »

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

I thought so too. PT described how the dead man had been his sparring partner and was seemingly close to him for a number of years. If that were the case, he
had to have had an inkling as to what Pete Taylor seems to have gotten himself involved with. I am not insinuating that the dead man himself had anything to
do with Taylor's unsavoury activities, but, unfortunately, he was caught up in them and finished up murdered.

josip

runrun2 wrote: »

Leaving the types of areas out of this, whens the last time you heard of a shooting in Shankill?


I don't think its a coincidence myself that this occurred so close to the last event.


In my own opinion, Bray is no different to a 100 other areas in Dublin, it definitely has a rough part and always had but equally has some very sought after areas.



There's a handful of areas in north and south Dublin that have a thoroughly respectable reputation as far as lack of shooting etc goes but I'm sure plenty of the residents are involved in high class crime of a different nature some of which is totally legal.

That's my point. It's not SO close.
It's in a part of Shankill. Miles away from Bray.
And Ratsallagh is perfectly capable of generating its own headlines and doesn't need to coat tail recent events in Bray.

How can you have crime that's legal ?

runrun2

josip wrote: »

That's my point. It's not SO close. It's in a part of Shankill. Miles away from Bray. And Ratsallagh is perfectly capable of generating its own headlines and doesn't need to coat tail recent events in Bray.


How can you have crime that's legal ?

We'll just have to wait and see what comes out about the Shankill incident.


Plenty of crime is legal if you know the loopholes and the right people.

brooke 2

runrun2 wrote: »

Yeah, i felt the same way when I read that headline, I was thinking to myself I bet some people will think he was in with him. (Whatever in means)

Whoever wrote that must have known how that would look to most people.
Katie knew enough to distance herself from the boxing club, having already
been estranged from her father.

runrun2

brooke 2 wrote: »

Whoever wrote that must have known how that would look to most people.
Katie knew enough to distance herself from the boxing club, having already
been estranged from her father.

Yeah, when your own daughter uses the word ''estranged'' and comments like that about the club it doesn't look too good.


I wonder did Pete think about the implications of calling him a close friend, I bet the mans family are livid about that.
On the one hand it makes people maybe feel compassionate towards Pete losing someone close and being injured and then on the other hand...

snotboogie

AfterLife wrote: »

Happy4all wrote: »

Am I wrong to feel, Pete Taylor calling the dead man his close friend, tarnishes a little, his reputation.

His daughter certainly doesn't want to be linked with him.

People have different experiences of different people. Do you know no adulterers that you would consider a friend?

You pick adulterer as his worst character trait?

AfterLife

snotboogie wrote: »

You pick adulterer as his worst character trait?

Its the only one known as fact. The rest is all hearsay.

brooke 2

AfterLife wrote: »

Its the only one known as fact. The rest is all hearsay.

So, someone attempted to kill him because he is an adulterer?? Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

snotboogie

AfterLife wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

You pick adulterer as his worst character trait?

Its the only one known as fact. The rest is all hearsay.

I don't think that is a known fact either. It could have been a split

AfterLife

snotboogie wrote: »

I don't think that is a known fact either. It could have been a split

That's true.

Odhinn

AfterLife wrote: »

Its the only one known as fact. The rest is all hearsay.

What is the "hearsay" thus far?

AfterLife

Odhinn wrote: »

What is the "hearsay" thus far?

Lots of people suggesting he's involved in the big feud somehow. The Gardai aren't saying anything like that.

Dial Hard

runrun2 wrote: »

Plenty of crime is legal if you know the loopholes and the right people.

Then by definition it's not a crime.

Conservatory

I hear there is a WhatsApp video doing the rounds claiming to be of a certain debt collector upending a lad who probably didn’t pay his debt.
The video claims it was him , a week or two before the shooting , and in clondalkin but I have no idea if it actually is or not.
Sure could be anyone in fairness.

yourdeadwright

Conservatory wrote: »

I hear there is a WhatsApp video doing the rounds claiming to be of a certain debt collector upending a lad who probably didn’t pay his debt.
The video claims it was him , a week or two before the shooting , and in clondalkin but I have no idea if it actually is or not.
Sure could be anyone in fairness.

Video looks like its outside a pub or a nightclub, does he do doors ?
Its odd cause the other chap in the video seems to be just walking by with a bottle of Coke in his hand but they seem to know each other,

seamus

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Video looks like its outside a pub or a nightclub, does he do doors ?
Its odd cause the other chap in the video seems to be just walking by with a bottle of Coke in his hand but they seem to know each other,

It would be normal for doorman to know the local junkies and troublemakers and encounter them a couple of times a week.
Agreed the video looks like nothing more than a bouncer getting into an argument. Words are exchanged at a distance before they square up to eachother.

beertons

Conservatory wrote: »

I hear there is a WhatsApp video doing the rounds claiming to be of a certain debt collector upending a lad who probably didn’t pay his debt.
The video claims it was him , a week or two before the shooting , and in clondalkin but I have no idea if it actually is or not.
Sure could be anyone in fairness.

Just got sent that video myself.

Conservatory

Getting told now the video is. Fake

Thesomersarms

Just noticed there’s an odd coincidence with the Shankhill Shooting and the Taylor one I don’t want to name names here but if you read this artcle you’ll see it https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/convicted-knife-killers-family-home-targeted-in-gun-attack-36999689.html

Mucky_Tackies

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Just noticed there’s an odd coincidence with the Shankhill Shooting and the Taylor one I don’t want to name names here but if you read this artcle you’ll see it https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/convicted-knife-killers-family-home-targeted-in-gun-attack-36999689.html

Nice spot. Guy mentioned was the guy in the famous photo with PT in the Indo.

Thesomersarms

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Nice spot. Guy mentioned was the guy in the famous photo with PT in the Indo.

That’s the one

Richard Hillman

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Just noticed there’s an odd coincidence with the Shankhill Shooting and the Taylor one I don’t want to name names here but if you read this artcle you’ll see it https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/convicted-knife-killers-family-home-targeted-in-gun-attack-36999689.html

Don't think the 2 are directly connected but all under the same umbrella.

Gadgetman496

Is that the Indo Pic with the heading 'I can train who I want'?

Thesomersarms

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is that the Indo Pic with the heading 'I can train who I want'?

Yes

Gadgetman496

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Yes

Well spotted

Happy4all

was the man who died from the assault ever named?

normanoffside

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Just noticed there’s an odd coincidence with the Shankhill Shooting and the Taylor one I don’t want to name names here but if you read this artcle you’ll see it https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/convicted-knife-killers-family-home-targeted-in-gun-attack-36999689.html

He was fighting in Manchester on Saturday night without his trainer in the corner. Got stopped in 3 btw....

Donald Trump

Same fella was up in court years ago. I remember reading about it at the time. Battered some fella in the jacks of a pub or something like that. The stabbed one I mean. Before he was stabbed. I think he might have only been a teenager at the time

Suckit

https://mtkglobal.com/sean-turner/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/professional-boxer-was-drunk-and-high-when-he-threw-rock-at-head-of-murder-accused-31402134.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/champion-boxer-se%C3%A1n-turner-receives-one-year-ban-1.1446508

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/boxers-brutal-attack-in-nightclubs-toilet-27975354.html

Related to yesterdays story
https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/pal-stabbed-to-death-in-row-over-boxers-50-debt-court-told-31400107.html

JoeK20

corner of hells wrote: »

So might you , Neanderthal is spelt wit a capital N.

I think it should be with the lower case n.

"When neanderthal is spelled with a lower-case n, it means a cretin or a dolt — a rough, mean, and slightly foolish person. If you spell it with a capital N, it means an extinct species of human being, and it's the root of the lower-case version."

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/neanderthal