Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

Taytoland

If this was ISIS doing this people would be in uproar about it. But because it's some Irish gangster scum no one seems to care. Very odd.

juno10353

Sorry to derail, but is there no thread about the horrific machete murder in Cork. Are we just getting more desensitised to the horrors taking place around us.

Thesomersarms

juno10353 wrote: »

Sorry to derail, but is there no thread about the horrific machete murder in Cork. Are we just getting more desensitised to the horrors taking place around us.

I was thinking that yesterday why no threads on the Cork case, an absolutely horrific murder, young kids witnessed it too, it’s a strange one, that level of violence used with no robbery or clear motive yet, I think the lastest is the guards believe the attackers are Irish, let’s hope the guards get them off the streets soon for everyones sake, savages.

Strazdas

Thesomersarms wrote: »

I was thinking that yesterday why no threads on the Cork case, an absolutely horrific murder, young kids witnessed it too, it’s a strange one, that level of violence used with no robbery or clear motive yet, I think the lastest is the guards believe the attackers are Irish, let’s hope the guards get them off the streets soon for everyones sake, savages.

Yes indeed, evil and depraved scumbags. Perhaps Mikolaj had a minor run in with them over a small debt or something but the level of violence was shocking. Hopefully these individuals are caught soon, they are clearly extremely dangerous.

paw patrol

I find it odd that the media usually prints lies, half truth and bar stool speculation on all gangland and shootings.
But they are silent on Bray beyond the initial crying and wailing.


Leads me to believe that it is related to the kinahan hutch feud.

As mentioned by another posters...it is common knowledge that Taylor trains MTK fighters...no matter his involvement or not in crime .....no local gang would seek to upset the cartel by attempting something like that unless they were given permission.
If it was a local gang the gardai would have arrested a few of the usual suspects already for questioning.

Only the hutch gang , since they are neck deep already , would have no qualms about upsetting the cartel.

but silence in the media leads me to believe they've been told to play this down by the gardai for fear of escalation.

clfy39tzve8njq

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/bray-boxing-club-shut-down-as-wicklow-county-council-examines-interior-following-fatal-shooting-37006905.html

Rows Grower

paw patrol wrote: »

I find it odd that the media usually prints lies, half truth and bar stool speculation on all gangland and shootings.
But they are silent on Bray beyond the initial crying and wailing.


Leads me to believe that it is related to the kinahan hutch feud.

As mentioned by another posters...it is common knowledge that Taylor trains MTK fighters...no matter his involvement or not in crime .....no local gang would seek to upset the cartel by attempting something like that unless they were given permission.
If it was a local gang the gardai would have arrested a few of the usual suspects already for questioning.

Only the hutch gang , since they are neck deep already , would have no qualms about upsetting the cartel.

but silence in the media leads me to believe they've been told to play this down by the gardai for fear of escalation.

Silence in the media?

In all fairness the story has been high profile since it broke.

The only silence I noticed was the lack of condemnation from the usual sources of the murder of an innocent man going about his daily business of exercising in a gym before work.

Do you think that if the media plays down a gangland murder attempt then there will be no retaliation?

juno10353

There have also been no condolences from the public or from Pete Taylor to the poor man shot 3 times in leg. It was said that he too was an innocent victim just getting fit, training before work.

Are we really lacking compassion for innocent people caught in crossfire as they go about their day.

At the end of day this is a local gym for the people of bray, owned by the county council. It is up to the council to ensure their sports venues are safe for the community. The council were aware of Taylor's links at the time that he stressed he would train whoever he wanted to. Wicklow county council should have been aware of the danger this could cause community members

Rows Grower

juno10353 wrote: »

There have also been no condolences from the public or from Pete Taylor to the poor man shot 3 times in leg. It was said that he too was an innocent victim just getting fit, training before work.

Are we really lacking compassion for innocent people caught in crossfire as they go about their day.

At the end of day this is a local gym for the people of bray, owned by the county council. It is up to the council to ensure their sports venues are safe for the community. The council were aware of Taylor's links at the time that he stressed he would train whoever he wanted to. Wicklow county council should have been aware of the danger this could cause community members

You're pushing it there now in all fairness.

paw patrol

Rows Grower wrote: »

Silence in the media?

In all fairness the story has been high profile since it broke.

died a death since the victim was buried. haven't seen a story since.

Rows Grower wrote: »

The only silence I noticed was the lack of condemnation from the usual sources of the murder of an innocent man going about his daily business of exercising in a gym before work.

plenty of condemnation at the time.

Rows Grower wrote: »

Do you think that if the media plays down a gangland murder attempt then there will be no retaliation?

honestly I don't know but I pointed out marked differences between this attack and previous in how the media has handled it.
The rest I was speculating.....but they aren't writing their usual guff and not all but naming any suspects like they usually do.

corner of hells

JoeK20 wrote: »

I think it should be with the lower case n.

"When neanderthal is spelled with a lower-case n, it means a cretin or a dolt — a rough, mean, and slightly foolish person. If you spell it with a capital N, it means an extinct species of human being, and it's the root of the lower-case version."

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/neanderthal

I respectfully tip my hat to you , sir .

Rows Grower

paw patrol wrote: »

died a death since the victim was buried. haven't seen a story since.

There's a news story linked about 4 posts up.


plenty of condemnation at the time.

No, no there wasn't.



honestly I don't know but I pointed out marked differences between this attack and previous in how the media has handled it.
The rest I was speculating.....but they aren't writing their usual guff and not all but naming any suspects like they usually do.

You must not be following this story at all.

brooke 2

paw patrol wrote: »

I find it odd that the media usually prints lies, half truth and bar stool speculation on all gangland and shootings.
But they are silent on Bray beyond the initial crying and wailing.


Leads me to believe that it is related to the kinahan hutch feud.

As mentioned by another posters...it is common knowledge that Taylor trains MTK fighters...no matter his involvement or not in crime .....no local gang would seek to upset the cartel by attempting something like that unless they were given permission.
If it was a local gang the gardai would have arrested a few of the usual suspects already for questioning.

Only the hutch gang , since they are neck deep already , would have no qualms about upsetting the cartel.

but silence in the media leads me to believe they've been told to play this down by the gardai for fear of escalation.

That might explain it, as there is no thread at all about it on Politics.ie while there are more than ten pages on it about the horrific murder of the Polish man by the machete gang. The targeted attack on Pete Taylor was mentioned on another thread which was started at the time of the Regency shootings but that thread also seems to have disappeared off the site.

Dr Brown

paw patrol wrote: »

but silence in the media leads me to believe they've been told to play this down by the gardai for fear of escalation.

I don't see why the papers would do that in this case.


Over the years the papers have got a lot of people shot by printing fake stories.


One "journalist" in particular has a lot of blood on his hands.

Ash.J.Williams

juno10353 wrote: »

There have also been no condolences from the public or from Pete Taylor to the poor man shot 3 times in leg. It was said that he too was an innocent victim just getting fit, training before work.

Are we really lacking compassion for innocent people caught in crossfire as they go about their day.

At the end of day this is a local gym for the people of bray, owned by the county council. It is up to the council to ensure their sports venues are safe for the community. The council were aware of Taylor's links at the time that he stressed he would train whoever he wanted to. Wicklow county council should have been aware of the danger this could cause community members

Pete did actually offer his condolences to the innocent man, his friend.

clfy39tzve8njq

Dr Brown wrote:

One "journalist" in particular has a lot of blood on his hands.

True

North inner city hoodlum

Will meet the kinahans boxers be allowed train there again?
Will new management be appointed and Pete giving the door by Wicklow Co Council?

I feckin hope so.

capefear

I don’t know if this was posted already, but it seems the gym is no more.

http://www.the42.ie/bray-boxing-club-4068710-Jun2018/?utm_source=shortlink

brooke 2

Rows Grower wrote: »

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You're pushing it there now in all fairness.

Why?

Hadn't Pete Taylor defiantly said that he would train 'whoever he liked' when it was discovered that he was training Kinehan boxers 'for free'? Bearing in mind what happened at the Regency, wasn't there every possibility that what DID happen at Bray Boxing Club might have occurred? Didn't the Council bear some responsibility to the law abiding people, who were using the premises, to be able to do so in safety? As a result of their turning a blind eye to the fact that Taylor was training boxers with criminal connections in Bray Boxing Club, an innocent man is now lying in his grave and Taylor and another man have been badly injured.

Rows Grower

brooke 2 wrote: »

Why?

Hadn't Pete Taylor defiantly said that he would train 'whoever he liked' when it was discovered that he was training Kinehan boxers 'for free'? Bearing in mind what happened at the Regency, wasn't there every possibility that what DID happen at Bray Boxing Club might have occurred? Didn't the Council bear some responsibility to the law abiding people, who were using the premises, to be able to do so in safety? As a result of their turning a blind eye to the fact that Taylor was training boxers with criminal connections in Bray Boxing Club, an innocent man is now lying in his grave and Taylor and another man have been badly injured.

You can't blame the Council for what happened, not by any stretch of the imagination.

juno10353

Rows Grower wrote:

You can't blame the Council for what happened, not by any stretch of the imagination.

The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

Rows Grower

juno10353 wrote: »

The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

Sorry, but I think you are mistaken.

I'm not getting into a debate, I have to be up early for fishing.

brooke 2

juno10353 wrote: »

The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.

Strazdas

juno10353 wrote: »

The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

One would assume his days there are over. If he is a target for criminals, there is no way they will let the place reopen and allow him to be on the premises : he'll have to find somewhere else.

Suckit

Strazdas wrote: »

One would assume his days there are over. If he is a target for criminals, there is no way they will let the place reopen and allow him to be on the premises : he'll have to find somewhere else.

If he finds somewhere else, you can only imagine the amount of eyes that will be on it.
The money might come from an anonymous backer. Most wouldn't want to risk training in it. It would probably end up becoming a Kinahan members club.

runrun2

brooke 2 wrote: »

That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.

I think that would've been difficult to do without some backup from the force.

Despite Pete saying this, I'd say a lot of the community would've been behind him because of his coaching history as well.

I don't really think that anyone could have imagined that someone with Pete Taylor's public profile and some locals would be shot, it was massive news really.

juno10353

It will be interesting to hear what was found on premises and in safe when it was searched by detectives after shootings.

deco nate

capefear wrote: »

I don’t know if this was posted already, but it seems the gym is no more.

http://www.the42.ie/bray-boxing-club-4068710-Jun2018/?utm_source=shortlink

They have a duty of upkeep, at the moment....
No one knows if they can take the lease off him.
Depends on the small print in the contract tbh

deco nate

juno10353 wrote: »

The council owns the facility and it was an amateur facility for community. As such the council was and is responsible for ensuring that the premises are run efficiently and safely. Once the club became Pete Taylor's personal fiefdom, when he said he would train who he liked, the council had a duty to intervene on behalf of the Wicklow people.

It was on lease, stop with the bs.
If you were a landlord, are you held accountable for whatever your tenants do?!
Feck off

Gadgetman496

Pete Taylor given around-the-clock protection after being discharged from hospital yesterday. He was flanked by two plain clothes officers as he enjoyed lunch in a local bar in Bray.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pete-taylor-given-around-clock-14782001

josip

First time I've seen a connection reported between the 2 deaths in Bray.

Suckit

I hope he is giving the Gardaí some information in return for that protection and after an innocent man (or two) has died.

tomofson

Any particular reason why wayne kennedy's house was targeted as part of this "local dispute"?

Rows Grower

brooke 2 wrote: »

That is how I would see it also. If I had a child or any family member attending that boxing club, I would be furious at the inaction of the Council to ensure
their safety!! Allowing Pete Taylor to train 'whom he liked', when those individuals were associated with known criminals who had already been involved in a shooting incident at the Regency some time previously, was seriously negligent, I believe.

In this hypothetical situation the only person who would of been seriously negligent would be yourself, as you would have been the only person with safety concerns and yet still allowed your child or family member attend the facility. There is such a thing as parental responsibility as well as personal responsibility.

How could the council be deemed negligent? How could they have foreseen what happened?

Do you seriously think for one minute that someone from the council would have the authority to approach someone (who has a legally binding contract in place with them) and tell them the agreement is null and void with immediate effect because they are training someone who is associated with a certain gym/stable of boxers and that could mean other gym users will be in danger of losing their life?

A small bit of cop on now please in all fairness.

sabat

Rows Grower wrote: »

Do you seriously think for one minute that someone from the council would have the authority to approach someone (who has a legally binding contract in place with them) and tell them the agreement is null and void with immediate effect because they are training someone who is associated with a certain gym/stable of boxers and that could mean other gym users will be in danger of losing their life?

A small bit of cop on now please in all fairness.

It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.

Rows Grower

sabat wrote: »

It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.

I'm not a lawyer, but if I was a boxer training in the gym and told I no longer could because Bray County Council decided they did not like who I or my trainer associated with (after picking myself up from the ground from laughing) I would consult one.

billybonkers

sabat wrote: »

It is legally possible to terminate a commercial lease on grounds like these.

I would imagine they will come up with a reason to terminate it

Rows Grower

billybonkers wrote: »

I would imagine they will come up with a reason to terminate it

They will now, but prior to the murder they hadn't a leg to stand on.

Donald Trump

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'm not a lawyer, but if I was a boxer training in the gym and told I no longer could because Bray County Council decided they did not like who I or my trainer associated with (after picking myself up from the ground from laughing) I would consult one.

I think that you would be wasting your money on a solicitor.


Money and permissions might have been given for that building under specific uses under specific conditions.


Being used for other uses might have contravened those conditions. And a blind eye might have been turned when everything was rosy but now the people responsible can't plausibly deny they are aware.


Has they gym been closed permanently? I just saw reports that they took back the keys. I am sure that they could open it again.

Rows Grower

Donald Trump wrote: »

I think that you would be wasting your money on a solicitor.


Money and permissions might have been given for that building under specific uses under specific conditions.


Being used for other uses might have contravened those conditions. And a blind eye might have been turned when everything was rosy but now the people responsible can't plausibly deny they are aware.


Has they gym been closed permanently? I just saw reports that they took back the keys. I am sure that they could open it again.

You're missing the gist of the discussion here I think Donald, we are talking about what Bray Council could/should have done before the incident as some people think they (Bray Council) are at fault for not foreseeing and preventing the incident.

jobless

dunno if anyone got the whatsapp message with a video claiming the real reason for shooting.... looks like bs to me and fairly bad form to be sharing

Donald Trump

Rows Grower wrote: »

You're missing the gist of the discussion here I think Donald, we are talking about what Bray Council could/should have done before the incident as some people think they (Bray Council) are at fault for not foreseeing and preventing the incident.

Sorry. I misunderstood. I had thought people were saying the council couldn't retake possession *now*




If it's before the incident, then there is probably no reasonably realistic basis for them to take the building. Technically maybe they could have complained if the premises was being used for personal gain/purposes but it would be very difficult to prove that. So I don't think it is reasonable to put blame on them

RacoonQueen

jobless wrote: »

dunno if anyone got the whatsapp message with a video claiming the real reason for shooting.... looks like bs to me and fairly bad form to be sharing

Are you going to tell us what it contained? Or?

allthedoyles

Cash, mobile phones and computers have been seized during searches of six properties in Bray, Co Wicklow.

The investigation, by the Criminal Assets Bureau, relates to an organised crime gang based in the Wicklow area.

Two residential premises, two business premises and two professional premises - an accountants and a solicitors - were searched.

Approximately €7,500 in cash was seized along with evidence relating to the use of virtual currencies.

A number of mobile phones, laptops, computers and other electronic devices were also recovered

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2018/0615/970730-cab-searches-bray/

jobless

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Are you going to tell us what it contained? Or?

claimed he was pushing his weight around as a debt collector

Rows Grower

According to today's Independent newspaper Pete is planning to leave the country within the next few days after listening to Garda advice.

Joeseph Balls

Rows Grower wrote: »

According to today's Independent newspaper Pete is planning to leave the country within the next few days after listening to Garda advice.

Off to Marbella I wonder

allthedoyles

it is believed he is planning to leave for an undisclosed European country in the coming days, after he was given detailed "personal security advice" by garda

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pete-taylor-set-to-leave-country-after-fatal-shooting-at-his-gym-37012719.html

Gadgetman496

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Off to Marbella I wonder

At least Quinn won't be a threat to him!

2forjoy

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Off to Marbella I wonder

At least Quinn won't be a threat to him!

Isn't Quinn on the same side anyway. But of course he could double cross .
At the end of the day they are all chips off the same block.