Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

murpho999

djPSB wrote: »

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

Do you think stuff like this doesn't happen in other countries?

Ridiculous comment. You need to look up crime stats in other countries.

keano_afc

Was woken by the helicopter right over my apartment this morning and the sound of sirens on the main road. Scary that its almost right on your doorstep.

tomofson

tomofson wrote: »

It happens in every single country on the planet though, if you didn't go near any country where crimes like this happen you wouldn't do as much as leave your village.

I was just about to post the same.
Try living in the Brazilian favelas and avoid being murdered within a week.

cajonlardo

torres9kop wrote: »

3 places in Ireland to avoid and you should be alright. Limerick Bray and north inner city Dublin

Have to laugh at the hysterical little princesses ....

I've lived in Bray 56 years and never had a worry. Raised two sons ( one of them in that boxing club) and neither had a serious problem.

May yourself and the other drama merchants kept too close to mammy all your lives?

Ash.J.Williams

torres9kop wrote: »

3 places in Ireland to avoid and you should be alright. Limerick Bray and north inner city Dublin

Not one thing you've said is true

The Talking Bread

murpho999 wrote: »

djPSB wrote: »

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

Do you think stuff like this doesn't happen in other countries?

Ridiculous comment. You need to look up crime stats in other countries.

Ah, ignorance is bliss for some. Without it they couldn't rant nonsense on forums

Sponge25

When's it time we put all known gangsters in prison for the remainder of their lives? Something like Supermax. The Irish judicial system lacks claws.

torres9kop

cajonlardo wrote: »

Have to laugh at the hysterical little princesses ....

I've lived in Bray 56 years and never had a worry. Raised two sons ( one of them in that boxing club) and neither had a serious problem.

May yourself and the other drama merchants kept too close to mammy all your lives?

Brays a kip. Im from Killiney. I wouldnt set foot in the place. Thank god for that n11 bypass they built years ago

The Talking Bread

torres9kop wrote: »

cajonlardo wrote: »

Have to laugh at the hysterical little princesses ....

I've lived in Bray 56 years and never had a worry. Raised two sons ( one of them in that boxing club) and neither had a serious problem.

May yourself and the other drama merchants kept too close to mammy all your lives?

Brays a kip. Im from Killiney. I wouldnt set foot in the place. Thank god for that n11 bypass they built years ago

Trolling now clearly. Best to ignore him

Adamocovic

I don't get people linking this to unrelated crimes.

Seems quite clearly part of the Hutch/Kinahan gang feud.

Kimbot

torres9kop wrote: »

Brays a kip. Im from Killiney. I wouldnt set foot in the place. Thank god for that n11 bypass they built years ago

MOD There is no need for that at all, dont post in this thread again.

ohnonotgmail

Sponge25 wrote: »

When's it time we put all known gangsters in prison for the remainder of their lives? Something like Supermax. The Irish judicial system lacks claws.

yeah lets do away with due process and introduce internment without trial. what could possibly go wrong.

Foxhound38

seamus wrote: »

The Taylors were very quiet about the reason why Katie dropped Pete as her coach.

I wonder did she see him getting involved with a certain type of crowd and decide that she didn't need that distraction.

In terms of boxing "attracting" scum, I think it's more of a correlation thing than causation. Boxing as a sport is relatively cheap, and is popular in working-class areas as a place for troubled kids to get out their anger and learn some self-control. Your chances of "success" in boxing are also considerably better than something like soccer.
In middle and upper-class areas, fighting other people for sport is considered low-brow, so they pay to see poor people beat eachother up rather than get involved themselves.

Of course nothing is a magic bullet and a kid who starts boxing to try and turn his troubled life around, is probably just going to be a troubled kid who's good at boxing. And he knows other troubled kids, and probably has family who are similar. And so a hotbox of criminality builds up around the boxing club. Even if it's not the main trainers getting involved, there are people using and hanging around the club who are involved in criminal activity.

The description of a white van with UK reg plates suggest it was probably a traveller gang who carried out this shooting.

My sympathies with Katie Taylor who seems like a genuine person, and regardless of anything her Dad may or may not have done I'm sure she's climbing the walls right now.

Good, sensible post. Agreed on all points.

Gadgetman496

cajonlardo wrote: »

Have to laugh at the hysterical little princesses ....

I've lived in Bray 56 years and never had a worry. Raised two sons ( one of them in that boxing club) and neither had a serious problem.

May yourself and the other drama merchants kept too close to mammy all your lives?

Why did you raise one of your sons in a boxing club?

TheFever

Bray is not all that bad. Awful accent though

GiftofGab

murpho999 wrote: »

GiftofGab wrote: »

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

So where the terrorist attacks in Paris that killed over 80 people not "gun crime"?
Here's an article from the UK showing the unsafest cities in Europe.  Belfast makes the list.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-17-most-unsafe-cities-in-europe-a6895511.html

P.Walnuts wrote: »

GiftofGab wrote: »

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

Source?

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Source?

Arse.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-europe-69575922-237669061
It was actually 9 years ago. I just said I read it before.
Either way, Ireland still has a huge gun murder rate.

Amalgam

Any status update on the victims?

shane.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To be fair, Pete Taylor being involved with MTK people doesn't necessarily mean he was involved with Daniel Kinahan. The boxing scene in Ireland is incredibly small with very few degrees of separation between individuals, so just because person A has a mutual friend with person B, doesn't necessarily mean that A and B are actually involved with eachother.

TBH, Irish social live in general tends to be like this as well. I'd imagine for example that most people who live and grew up in Dublin probably have maybe only one or two degrees of separation between themselves and Conor McGregor - but similarly, only one or two degrees of separation between themselves and Bono.

Say what you like about people willingly choosing to train in an environment allegedly funded by criminal assets, but in my view it's extremely unfair to make the blanket assumption that everyone who has a connection to MTK is involved with the Kinahan cartel. Paddy Barnes is supposed to be an incredibly nice lad and the media are always extremely careful to make the point that he's never even been alleged to be any sort of criminal, whenever they write about MTK and Daniel Kinahan.

It's similar to all the uproar over Conor McGregor "associating with Kinahan thugs" - the people he's regularly lambasted for hanging around with, grew up together from childhood in the same relatively small community. Letting go of childhood friends is f*cking hard, and the fact that you remain friends with somebody doesn't necessarily mean that you're in any way involved in or approve of the lifestyle they have gotten involved in.

If it does turn out that Pete Taylor was targeted because of his MTK connections, in my view it's an extraordinarily unfair and despicable attack - and I mean that even more so than the usual despicableness which accompanies this feud. To suggest that everyone who has ever been associated in any way with Gerry Hutch or Daniel Kinahan - or even who has ever been associated with associates of Gerry Hutch or Daniel Kinahan - is a legitimate target in any of this, or is automatically a dodgy person, is an absolutely vile outlook IMO.

You have to look at what Taylor is doing in the background, a LOT of rumours surrounding him and certain gangs

Gadgetman496

Amalgam wrote: »

Any status update on the victims?

Non life threatening according to RTE

Mucky_Tackies

torres9kop wrote: »

3 places in Ireland to avoid and you should be alright. Limerick Bray and north inner city Dublin

what a dopey comment.

GiftofGab

GiftofGab wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-europe-69575922-237669061
It was actually 9 years ago. I just said I read it before.
Either way, Ireland still has a huge gun murder rate.

Compared to London it does.
But a fair comparison would be with another country that has subversive groups, supplying and siding with any criminal factions it chooses.

jmayo

seamus wrote: »

Sure. But we're talking about a gangland shooting, something which traveller gangs have been heavily involved in, in the past. And a white van might be nothing exceptional, but yellow-plated white vans are a frequent sight on halting sites. And a boxing club being the target...well travellers are heavily involved in boxing.

Just putting two and two together. I may have gotten five, that's why I didn't say it was definitely a traveller gang.

Dial down the histrionics there.

Jaysus I am no fan of travellers, but feckin hell a white van with UK plates doesn't necessarily mean travellers.
And I would hardly say they would use their own vehicle in a hit.
But you fire ahead there Hercule. :rolleyes:

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I was just about to post the same.
Try living in the Brazilian favelas and avoid being murdered within a week.

Why the fook do we always have to look for one of the worse when we compare ourselves.
Wippee do we are safer than a Brazillian favela.
Sure we are safer than a South African township as well, aren't we great.

We should compare ourselves to the best not the fooking worst.

And I do agree with previous poster, Ireland is a bit of a sh*thole.
And will continue to be so until some people cop on what the country is really like.

We have a failed justice system (a triple murderer/child murderer/rapist was eligible for parole after 8 years), an inept and systemically corrupt police whose head and ex heads, are in front of tribunals of enquiry every other day.
We have a failed health system that hides it's inadequacies and never takes responsibility for it's action or inactions including leaving children in the care of rapists.

But I guess in comparison to the Congo our fooking health service is brilliant and our cops are fine upstanding members of society. :mad:

Now back to slagging off Pete Taylor, Bray, travellers and what ever else takes yer fancy.

bullvine

torres9kop wrote: »

Brays a kip. Im from Killiney. I wouldnt set foot in the place. Thank god for that n11 bypass they built years ago

I live in Killiney from Dun Laoghaire as well and Bray is far from a kip, Dun Laoghaire is worse, you are talking absolute nonsense.

tomofson

bullvine wrote: »

I live in Killiney from Dun Laoghaire as well and Bray is far from a kip, Dun Laoghaire is worse, you are talking absolute nonsense.

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with Dun Laoghaire, I have lived in Dun Laoghaire most of my life, it is the town I was born and raised in.

Maybe years ago it was a bit rough around the edges but its a fairly quiet and gentle place these days.

Dun Laoghaire has never had a gangland murder funnily enough, bray has had a couple.

Anyway no more derailing.

Adamocovic

jmayo wrote: »

Why the fook do we always have to look for one of the worse when we compare ourselves.
Wippee do we are safer than a Brazillian favela.
Sure we are safer than a South African township as well, aren't we great.

We should compare ourselves to the best not the fooking worst.

And I do agree with previous poster, Ireland is a bit of a sh*thole.
And will continue to be so until some people cop on what the country is really like.

We have a failed justice system (a triple murderer/child murderer/rapist was eligible for parole after 8 years), an inept and systemically corrupt police whose head and ex heads, are in front of tribunals of enquiry every other day.
We have a failed health system that hides it's inadequacies and never takes responsibility for it's action or inactions including leaving children in the care of rapists.

But I guess in comparison to the Congo our fooking health service is brilliant and our cops are fine upstanding members of society. :mad:

Now back to slagging off Pete Taylor, Bray, travellers and what ever else takes yer fancy.

We have our fair share of problems in this country, and while I'm not justifying it, what country doesn't.

If the comparison someone made to a country like Brazil doesn't please you want about the WEF rankings for countries based off their security and safety from 2017?

In it Finland topped the list as the safest country (a score of 6.65 highest being the best). Ireland registered a 6.11, which left us around the same levels as countries such as Spain, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Romania and so on. Which to me seems like a fair representation.

We have a lot of issues we need to repair, and organised crime is definitely one of them but as someone who, over the last 4 years, has split my time between living in Ireland and abroad I think there are a group in Ireland who like to believe the country is a far more dangerous and scary place than it actually is. Yes we aren't perfect and need to wake up, but there is a lot of people who have false notions that other countries are living in some sort of utopian.

So while I agree with the opinion about us needing to clean up the country in a lot of regards, I do not at all believe it is a "****hole". If Ireland is a "****hole" then the entire world would appear to be the same!

Gadgetman496

jmayo wrote: »

Jaysus I am no fan of travellers, but feckin hell a white van with UK plates doesn't necessarily mean travellers.
And I would hardly say they would use their own vehicle in a hit.
But you fire ahead there Hercule. :rolleyes:

Their off the hook so, according to RTE it wasn't a white van, it was silver

The suspect fled the scene in what is believed to be a silver-coloured Volkswagen Caddy van with Northern Ireland registration plates.

josip

If the van hasn't been found burnt out yet, does that indicate it was a amateurish attempt by a non-professional hitman/punter?

SteM

Wait, Bray, Dun Laoghaire, Limerick & North inner city Dublin are all the biggest dumps? I though the Boards braintrust had given that accolade to Tallaght already?

Kermit.de.frog

Bad incident.

Unfortunately this country does not, and never has, taken security seriously. Whether it's the gardai, the judiciary or governments there is a laid back attitude in relation to serious crime compared to other countries.

We have people walking the streets with 100's of convictions, a police force which very few Irish people actually respect or have any faith in, a hopeless judiciary which is pathetic when it comes to sentencing and government that does not supply the resources or the prison spaces or really strong air tight laws to get these people who do these things off our streets permanently.

I don't see how it's going to change.

So people think they can commit serious offences like this with impunity even if caught.

We are too soft.

The Nal

josip wrote: »

If the van hasn't been found burnt out yet, does that indicate it was a amateurish attempt by a non-professional hitman/punter?

They could change the colour and the reg on that van in minutes.

Gadgetman496

josip wrote: »

If the van hasn't been found burnt out yet, does that indicate it was a amateurish attempt by a non-professional hitman/punter?

Maybe he/they are not finished with it yet?

nelly17

The Nal wrote: »

They could change the colour and the reg on that van in minutes.

Its probably parked in a multi story somewhere

josip

They normally burn it out to destroy any forensic evidence.
Repainting it or abandoning it an a carpark wouldn't do this.

tabby aspreme

Hardly Travellers with a Caddy van , you would only squash 6 childer in the back of a Caddy, not big enough for gates either.

The Nal

josip wrote: »

They normally burn it out to destroy any forensic evidence.
Repainting it or abandoning it an a carpark wouldn't do this.

Or just use a fake yellow reg and respray it/use that sticker paint. Could be back in their driveway by now and the shooter could be in the garden with the BBQ on.

People are looking for a silver van with a nordie reg when it really could be a red van with a Carlow reg.

Thesomersarms

Is this looking like Kinahan/Hutch feud or a local dispute?

Seems a bit odd for it to be a hutch retaliation hit, from reading since this feud began it appears there are a number of head Kinahan cronies who roam the city at will and attend matches etc with no bother, surely they would be more of a target than Taylor and also normally after a gangland murder it would be out in press rather quickly that victim was an associate of a particular gang, nothing on this shooting, just seems very odd if this was hutch/kinahan

tomofson

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Is this looking like Kinahan/Hutch feud or a local dispute?

Seems a bit odd for it to be a hutch retaliation hit, from reading since this feud began it appears there are a number of head Kinahan cronies who roam the city at will and attend matches etc with no bother, surely they would be more of a target than Taylor and also normally after a gangland murder it would be out in press rather quickly that victim was an associate of a particular gang, nothing on this shooting, just seems very odd if this was hutch/kinahan

Probably Hutch kinahan related, the thing is though the places they roam at will are heavily policed by the ARU, where this shooting happened in bray which isn't as secured.

I think the victim was an innocent, though I am not too sure at this stage as they couldn't even get his age right at the beginning.

Ash.J.Williams

The result of this mornings antics is a media spotlight on the mtk gym and its association with drug money. It matters not if the link is true or not.

Thesomersarms

tomofson wrote: »

Probably Hutch kinahan related, the thing is though the places they roam at will are heavily policed by the ARU, where this shooting happened in bray which isn't as secured.

I think the victim was an innocent, though I am not too sure at this stage as they couldn't even get his age right at the beginning.

Yeah fair point, Bray is not one of the hot spots for this feud so possibly a soft target, i saw a name going round on twitter but doesn’t look like chap
Had a record, I think they’ve found the van in Ringsend

Captain Obvious

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Bad incident.

Unfortunately this country does not, and never has, taken security seriously. Whether it's the gardai, the judiciary or governments there is a laid back attitude in relation to serious crime compared to other countries.

We have people walking the streets with 100's of convictions, a police force which very few Irish people actually respect or have any faith in, a hopeless judiciary which is pathetic when it comes to sentencing and government that does not supply the resources or the prison spaces or really strong air tight laws to get these people who do these things off our streets permanently.

I don't see how it's going to change.

So people think they can commit serious offences like this with impunity even if caught.

We are too soft.

The most recent cancellation of overtime patrols in high crime areas to save money for the popes visit is just the icing on the cake.

Muahahaha

The Nal wrote: »

Or just use a fake yellow reg and respray it/use that sticker paint. Could be back in their driveway by now and the shooter could be in the garden with the BBQ on.

Do you really think in the direct aftermath of a shooting there is some criminal re-spraying the van used to carry out the hit? That would take hours. Aside from that he is hardly re-spraying it so he can fool the cops later this evening when he heads out in the van to get a bag of chips or something.

PandaPoo wrote: »

I didn't realise that Pete Taylor owned that gym. We feed the swans there twice a week, there's really fancy cars parked outside sometimes. Now I know why !

Plot twist- Gaggle of swans spend the day begging in Bray before driving home in fast sports cars.

RollieFingers

Bray is an absolute kip these days, not surprised

TallGlass

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The most recent cancellation of overtime patrols in high crime areas to save money for the popes visit is just the icing on the cake.

True. But the justice system need to start taking it seriously they undo the hard work of our Garda in mere seconds. For example they caught two lads over the weekend with a firearm. One was granted bail as he has a holiday coming up in Ibiza. I mean you seriously can't make this stuff up.

tomofson

TallGlass wrote: »

True. But the justice system need to start taking it seriously they undo the hard work of our Garda in mere seconds. For example they caught two lads over the weekend with a firearm. One was granted bail as he has a holiday coming up in Ibiza. I mean you seriously can't make this stuff up.

That same fella has been caught and released for 3 attempted gangland hits now in the last few months, he is also the prime suspect in a murder in the sheriff street area.

I am guessing he is cooperating with the police if he keeps getting released like this, thats the only real explanation.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Why are the Kinahans allowed to be involved in the promotion of boxing?

Isn't there some sort of global rule stating that known criminals can't hold a promoter's licence.

Think this was used to tackle the problem with boxing and the mob in the States.

wazzer1

Pidgeon House road in Ringsend currently closed of by Gardai...only drove by but theres a silver caddy with yellow reg behind cordon

Muahahaha

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why are the Kinahans allowed to be involved in the promotion of boxing?

Isn't there some sort of global rule stating that known criminals can't hold a promoter's licence.

Think this was used to tackle the problem with boxing and the mob in the States.

Convicted Double murderer Don King is one of boxings biggest promoters

o1s1n

RollieFingers wrote: »

Bray is an absolute kip these days, not surprised

Especially up around King Edward Road, I've seen some people still driving 171 cars would you believe.

Happy4all

Saying on radio that Taylor was the intended target. Who would have him on a hit list

murpho999

RollieFingers wrote: »

Bray is an absolute kip these days, not surprised

What do you actually base this on?

Bray seems to have a bad press and in my experience it's from people who don't know the town at all.