Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

Spanish Eyes

Boxers and MMA. There is a whiff of cordyte of them to be realistic.

If you use a gym it doesn't have to be a boxing or MMA gym. Geddit.

Thesomersarms

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Afew phones too, bray councillors will be on over time tonight



Nope mtk have no Irish operations, they're hated in Ireland and rightly so even Barnes is hated because of his mtk contract and defense of Cancer!

Yes I know that but wasn’t he training mtk boxers in Ireland so that in itself was a connection, their will be repercussions as I can’t imagine the council who fund the gym knew that but bottom line my point is that it is possible someone is trying to cause so much **** for anyone connected to mtk that no trainer or gym in the country or internationally will touch them which then indirectly affects Kinahan. If Taylor had been killed the clamor would have been a lot louder and would have gone international, father of world champion etc

Amalgam

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Afew phones too, bray councillors will be on over time tonight

Oh boy.. I can see discussions over the lease/further use/occupancy being umm.. 'interesting'

tomofson

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's not actually what it is TBH. What sets scummers apart from just random folks having drinks and playing music is the addition of an aggro vibe. We get it in Sandycove as well during summer weather - whenever you hear of a massive fight involving serious violence and Garda intervention, it's almost never local lads but people who flock in from elsewhere.

Very few people are total dry sh!te "get off mah lawn" types who have a problem with crowds drinking and partying during the day in the summer and in public places, it's when the vibe turns nasty that people have an issue. The stuff which Portmarnock has become notorious for isn't underage drinking or loudness in and of itself, it's the fact that some elements of the crowd who show up to do it are also the type to get aggressive and start verbally abusing people and beating the sh!te out of eachother.

I've almost never seen the Gardai enforcing the "no drinking in public" bullsh!t without an additional reason. Where I live at least, they're totally fine with people congregating in public areas and having outdoor beers, but they'll hover around the place all the same and at the first hint of people roaring angrily at eachother and preparing to have a scrap, that's when they'll break it all up.

In short, what defines "scummers" and sets them apart from everyone else is a tendency towards senseless violence for the very slightest "offence".

Fair enough point, thank you for clearing that up.

Thesomersarms

Media reporting individual dropped van in Ringsend then calmly cycled away, no attempt to burn it out, odd, usually the vehicles used in gangland attacks are always burned out or they try to Torch them, surely chance of a witness or possible dashcams capturing footage of cyclist at that hour during the morning commute

tomofson

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Media reporting individual dropped van in Ringsend then calmly cycled away, no attempt to burn it out, odd, usually the vehicles used in gangland attacks are always burned out or they try to Torch them, surely chance of a witness or possible dashcams capturing footage of cyclist at that hour during the morning commute

Could be a foreign gunman

Calibos

Just read the last 2 pages and I take it from a few of the recent comments that Bray has been getting some abuse as per. The usual "Bray....Braaaayyy!!. Brayruit LOL!!" sh!tposting.

Thought something I posted elsewhere might be appropriate here too. It was some gob****e saying he was going to pull out of a House purchase in Bray after this mornings news.

LMFAO.

Calling BS on this one. Are you serious?

Its not Bray gangland. Its a possible Dublin Gangland shooting that happened to happen in a boxing club in Bray. Would you cancel a Dalkey house purchase because some Hutch or Kinahan hitman heard their target happened to be having a Latte in a Dalkey coffee shop and shot him there??

Bray is the 9th largest Town in the Country by population after Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford, Drogheda, Swords and Dundalk. It has arguably less Major and Minor Crime and antisocial behaviour than catchment areas of a similar size and population. Take the South East Co. Dublin area encapsulated by a line from Dun Laoghaire to Cabinteely to Killiney to Dalkey to Glasthule and back to Dun Laoghaire (With Sallynoggin in the middle) Some of the most expensive Residential Real Estate in the Country. Same size as Bray, Same Population. Higher Crime figures. The problem for Bray is that it is a distinct town so all Crime is reported in the news as 'Bray' crime. Conversely, Crime in Sallynoggin or Dun Laoghaire for example is not called 'Dalkey' or 'Killiney' crime so those areas don't get tarnished by crimes from the others in the news.

Would you refuse to move to Killiney or Dalkey because of a shooting in Dun Laoghaire or Sallynoggin??

Cop on. Bray is a fantastic safe town with enviable resources, like Motorways, Dart, Bus and eventually Luas links to the Capital City a mere 12 miles away and Airport. Yet at the same time is mere minutes drive from the beautiful Wicklow Mountains and the rest of the Garden County. Its got amazing amenities of its own in the form of the Seafront and an easy climb to Bray Head which afford stunning views of Dublin Bay that rival the Bay of Naples. It even has its own micro-climate sheltered as it is from the prevailing South Westerlies by the embrace of the Wicklow and Dublin Mountains.

I'll grant you aesthetically it is a little rough around the literal edges with a poor first impression due to ugly warehouse buildings beside the harbour and a derelict Cash & Carry across the road from the Dart Station but so many of those issues are caused by a lack of confidence to invest in these sites for the very reason that you've just been guilty of. Brays undeserved reputation a lot of which comes from 3 decades of 'Dublins Finest' Dart Daytrippers has left a mark on peoples memories. Yes, when people visited Bray seafront they were surrounded by Scobes but those weren't Bray Scobes. In 2006, Ianrod Eireann closed the Dart every weekend for the entire Summer for major line maintenance. 'Dublins finest' moved on to pastures new that Summer and never came back en masse. 'Coincidentally', the residents of Howth and Portmarnock wondered why their upmarket villages and beaches suddenly started getting inundated with thousands of 'knacker drinking' Dublin teens every sunny Summers day from about 2006 onwards. They've even got videos on youtube about it entitled. Portmarnock/Howth Summer Riots 2009, 2012, 2013 etc etc.

In the same period, Bray Seafront has become gentrified and seen a proliferation of quality Restaurants, Gastro Pubs, Coffee Shops and Gelateria.

Now we just need to change peoples ingrained mindset about Bray so that Bray can finally get the inward investment that it deserves and these derelict sites and eyesores can be dealt with. Its unfortunate that just as the process of gentrification began and Bray started to change the hearts and minds, the Crash happened before any of the major eyesore sites and derelicts were developed.

Thesomersarms

tomofson wrote: »

Could be a foreign gunman

Yeah possibly, it’s strange this one, it’s bizarre that you would just leave the van with traces of dna etc and then cycle, not even have a second car, is pigeon house road a particularly quiet road? The time as well with people traveling to work greatly increases the chances of being identified, could be a complete amateur too

Roger Hassenforder

Fcukin cyclists

The Talking Bread

thebull85 wrote: »

Barely legal i hear..

The girl (Katie's friend) that he shacked up with is 30. Not sure where you heard this "barely legal" nonsense

tomofson

Thesomersarms wrote: »

Yeah possibly, it’s strange this one, it’s bizarre that you would just leave the van with traces of dna etc and then cycle, not even have a second car, is pigeon house road a particularly quiet road? The time as well with people traveling to work greatly increases the chances of being identified, could be a complete amateur too

He could have cycled to a place he knew a car was parked or was waiting for him, I doubt he made the complete remainder of his getaway on a bicycle.

thebull85

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The girl (Katie's friend) that he shacked up with is 30. Not sure where you heard this "barely legal" nonsense

Thats only his latest bit of fluff.

FingerDeKat

tomofson wrote: »

Could be a foreign gunman

Was cycling off to get a ferry ?:P

Inquitus

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Fcukin cyclists

The poor deceased was a cyclist RIP, Bray Wheelers and the IVCA.

Drifter50

RollieFingers wrote: »

Bray is an absolute kip these days, not surprised

Ah come on thats a bit of a generalisation. Bray is not the worst, but you do need to be careful of the Fassaroe, Palermo and White City areas. Most of Bray is sound and the seafront is quite tidy now

Berserker

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Very strange indeed, it didn't even look like there was an attempt to burn it out from the pictures I've seen.

This is quite odd. Wondering if this hit was more of a personal issue than a professional job. Any remotely professional hitman would have torched that van.

twowheelsonly

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why are the Kinahans allowed to be involved in the promotion of boxing?

Isn't there some sort of global rule stating that known criminals can't hold a promoter's licence.

Think this was used to tackle the problem with boxing and the mob in the States.

None of the Kinahans are officially involved with MTK anymore and they don't hold a promoters licence. What can boxings governing bodies do about it if it's only a suspicion ?

BTW, the IBU have informed them that none of their shows will be sanctioned again in this country (south of the border)

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

……...boxing as a whole is gangster centred and is applauded.

…..

Maybe it is where you come from but not where I'm from and not in the vast majority of clubs around the country.

The Talking Bread

thebull85 wrote: »

Thats only his latest bit of fluff.

You charmer

billyhead

Berserker wrote: »

This is quite odd. Wondering if this hit was more of a personal issue than a professional job. Any remotely professional hitman would have torched that van.

Looks very amateurish and Taylor was the target in a personal grudge.

giveitholly

Inquitus wrote: »

The poor deceased was a cyclist RIP, Bray Wheelers and the IVCA.

Presume so it was a case of mistaken identity?

Berserker

giveitholly wrote: »

Presume so it was a case of mistaken identity?

Yep, the deceased was not the intended target, it appears.

Inquitus

giveitholly wrote: »

Presume so it was a case of mistaken identity?

As per the media, wrong place, wrong time, sadly.

Brae100

Driving all the way from Bray to Rimgsend in the single getaway vehicle, a van, and then leaving it on a bike without burning out the van? Killing an innocent man and not killing the intended target! Possibly lone gunman acting alone. If it was the Hutches you'd expect at least a couple of lads and cars.

North inner city hoodlum

twowheelsonly wrote: »

None of the Kinahans are officially involved with MTK anymore and they don't hold a promoters licence. What can boxings governing bodies do about it if it's only a suspicion ?

BTW, the IBU have informed them that none of their shows will be sanctioned again in this country (south of the border)

It's not a suspicion, they still run the mtk brand abelt at a distance, their blood money is still being launder threw it, only a blind man couldn't see it.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Maybe it is where you come from but not where I'm from and not in the vast majority of clubs around the country.

I stand by what I said, Irish boxing and boxing in general is gangster oriented and is a disgrace country wide worldwide, sugar coat it all you want, it's for the kids, it keeps them occupied, Ireland won medals in boxing, my bollix, and the IBA couldn't give a feck, money talks no matter where it came from.

twowheelsonly

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

It's not a suspicion, they still run the mtk brand abelt at a distance, their blood money is still being launder threw it, only a blind man couldn't see it.



I stand by what I said, Irish boxing and boxing in general is gangster oriented and is a disgrace country wide worldwide, sugar coat it all you want, it's for the kids, it keeps them occupied, Ireland won medals in boxing, my bollix, and the IBA couldn't give a feck, money talks no matter where it came from.

'Seeing' it and proving it are two different things though. I'll refer you to Gerry Adams !!! :pac:

I'll stand by what I said as well - for the vast majority of clubs in this country (and others) there is no money, no gangsters, no criminality. Yes, it's there in some places but that's a very small minority. What you're claiming is akin to saying that all Irish are thick drunken Paddys, all Muslims are bombers or all Yanks are fat b*** 88*. The reality isn't always the same as the illusion.

deco nate

Amalgam wrote: »

Oh boy.. I can see discussions over the lease/further use/occupancy being umm.. 'interesting'

They will sell it off for cents to the euro, they have form for doing it

Thesomersarms

So from looking online it appears that one of the mtk boxers being coached by Taylor was managed by Daniel Kinahan back in 2015 you’ll see here http://www.irish-boxing.com/friendship-war-words-erupts-big-sexy-big-rogie/

Also a separate article in the independent mentions that Taylor said he was coaching the mtk boxers for ‘’free’’ sounds like he was up to his neck in it with the Kinahans.

And so now it’s looking highly likely that the chap killed today was completely innocent. Unreal if another innocent has been murdered as part of this feud, these hitmen are idiots they must be out of their head to just spray bullets and hit random people. It’s looking like a total amateur hit as A. They didn’t hit their target, B. Didn’t torch the getaway car C. Cycle off in a populated area in rush hour morning commute time, cops already must have intel on look of killer if they can say he cycled off from van at 8.05 either witness or cctv.

North inner city hoodlum

twowheelsonly wrote: »

'Seeing' it and proving it are two different things though. I'll refer you to Gerry Adams !!! :pac:

Hi you leave Adams out of this if you still want to have both your knees

twowheelsonly wrote: »

I'll stand by what I said as well - for the vast majority of clubs in this country (and others) there is no money, no gangsters, no criminality. Yes, it's there in some places but that's a very small minority. What you're claiming is akin to saying that all Irish are thick drunken Paddys, all Muslims are bombers or all Yanks are fat b*** 88*. The reality isn't always the same as the illusion.

1, All Irish ARE thick drunken Paddys.

2, Muslims, ARE a sound bunch of lads!

3,Yanks ARE fat b*** 88*.


Name some Irish boxing clubs that aren't gangster centred or full of ex hardened criminals, a way to rope in impressional youths under the guise of Irish boxing, it's a disgrace and so are the IBA.

Another thing if it's brays boxing club why are "meet the kinahan"(mtk) boxers being trained there, it should belong to the people of bray because of local bray funding not Pete Taylor's boxing gym as I'm hearing all day.

Spanish Eyes

I do realise that the police cannot be everywhere at once. But realistically they are reactive, not proactive anywhere now.

tomofson

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Hi you leave Adams out of this if you still want to have both your knees



1, All Irish ARE thick drunken Paddys.

2, Muslims, ARE a sound bunch of lads!

3,Yanks ARE fat b*** 88*.


Name some Irish boxing clubs that aren't gangster centred or full of ex hardened criminals, a way to rope in impressional youths under the guise of Irish boxing, it's a disgrace and so are the IBA.

Another thing if it's brays boxing club why are "meet the kinahan"(mtk) boxers being trained there, it should belong to the people of bray because of local bray funding not Pete Taylor's boxing gym as I'm hearing all day.

We'll call a truce here by admitting you are both somewhat wrong and somewhat right.

allthedoyles

Early indications suggest this attack could be linked to a side business Taylor is a part of. Sources said that Taylor had fallen out with a local criminal who he had befriended in recent years.


Detectives are also probing the operation of a convicted killer who has now started to operate in the drug trade locally. The man is also believed to be involved in a violent debt collection business.

source : http://www.thejournal.ie/pete-taylor-shooting-2-4054387-Jun2018/

Mr Jinx

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I do realise that the police cannot be everywhere at once. But realistically they are reactive, not proactive anywhere now.

Whats that you say about not being proactive ?

http://www.thejournal.ie/arrests-gangland-dublin-3896257-Mar2018/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2657545/two-men-linked-kinahans-arrested-east-wall/

That last 1 was literally 3 days ago.

Thesomersarms

Mr Jinx wrote: »

Whats that you say about not being proactive ?

http://www.thejournal.ie/arrests-gangland-dublin-3896257-Mar2018/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2657545/two-men-linked-kinahans-arrested-east-wall/

That last 1 was literally 3 days ago.

Yes in fairness the Gardai have been really proactive in getting on top of this feud, if they were reactive the death toll in this feud would be well over thirty, I’m amazed the success they’ve had, great surveillance or an informant, as they’ve foiled so many hits and seized huge amounts of cash and drugs

RacoonQueen

Piece about Bobby Messett
http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/cyclist-shot-dead-bobby-messett/

TallGlass

Not that killing anyone is okay BTW, but killing innocent people, hope that ****er is haunted for the rest of his life, knowing he took an innocent man away from his family.

If this was ordered, I am guessing he is fúcked. Innocent person killed, car left more than likely with some trace of DNA fingerprints, one little bit of something left behind, leaving on a bicycle next to a toll bridge, traffic cameras, many CCTV cameras in the area, plenty of witnesses. Then leaving on a bicycle, someone cycling that route to work will remember something, I know it's weird but cycling in and out of work each day, you notice people who don't fit in, maybe cycling to work first time etc.. or just don't look right.

The guy might as well hand himself over before he is next, someone's not gonna be happy with this.

Thesomersarms

TallGlass wrote: »

Not that killing anyone is okay BTW, but killing innocent people, hope that ****er is haunted for the rest of his life, knowing he took an innocent man away from his family.

If this was ordered, I am guessing he is fúcked. Innocent person killed, car left more than likely with some trace of DNA fingerprints, one little bit of something left behind, leaving on a bicycle next to a toll bridge, traffic cameras, many CCTV cameras in the area, plenty of witnesses. Then leaving on a bicycle, someone cycling that route to work will remember something, I know it's weird but cycling in and out of work each day, you notice people who don't fit in, maybe cycling to work first time etc.. or just don't look right.

The guy might as well hand himself over before he is next, someone's not gonna be happy with this.

Absolutely if this was ordered this guy is in trouble he made a balls of it.

Dr Brown

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I do realise that the police cannot be everywhere at once. But realistically they are reactive, not proactive anywhere now.

The Gardas did me for speeding at the weekend thats where the resources are, going after decent people while the scumbags roam free.

Suckit

According to the Journal there could be a number of reasons somebody might have targetted Pete Taylor.
http://www.thejournal.ie/pete-taylor-shooting-2-4054387-Jun2018/

Early indications suggest this attack could be linked to a side business Taylor is a part of. Sources said that Taylor had fallen out with a local criminal who he had befriended in recent years.
There is no suggestion Pete Taylor is involved in any form of criminality.
Gardaí will also investigate if this shooting is anything to do with the Kinahan/Hutch feud. Taylor has previously trained boxers linked to MTK Global, a boxing management company part-founded by notorious drug trafficker Daniel Kinahan. A statement released by MTK earlier this year said it had “cut all ties with Mr Kinahan in February 2017″.
Gardaí had been carrying out surveillance on a number of people they suspected of moving significant quantities of cocaine across north Wicklow and south Dublin.
Detectives are also probing the operation of a convicted killer who has now started to operate in the drug trade locally. The man is also believed to be involved in a violent debt collection business.
There is also no suggestion that anyone present at the time of the shooting was, in any way, involved in any form of criminal activity.

corner of hells

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Hi you leave Adams out of this if you still want to have both your knees



1, All Irish ARE thick drunken Paddys.

2, Muslims, ARE a sound bunch of lads!

3,Yanks ARE fat b*** 88*.


Name some Irish boxing clubs that aren't gangster centred or full of ex hardened criminals, a way to rope in impressional youths under the guise of Irish boxing, it's a disgrace and so are the IBA.

Another thing if it's brays boxing club why are "meet the kinahan"(mtk) boxers being trained there, it should belong to the people of bray because of local bray funding not Pete Taylor's boxing gym as I'm hearing all day.

Drimnagh boxing club , produced that notorious thug Michael Carruth and Smith borough in Monaghan produced another infamous thug Barry McGuigan.

I'm fond of my boxing.

TallGlass

Dr Brown wrote: »

The Gardas did me speeding at the weekend thats where the resources are, going after decent people while the scumbags roam free.

Scum roam free because the court system is a shambles, that's not the fault of the Garda. You speeding at the weekend is your own fault and you got caught!

People need to start asking local TDs why there are serious criminals roaming around freely, and why the local bollix is able to rack up his 390th conviction without penalty.

Spanish Eyes

Seems like a whiff of cordite off the lot of them.

Donald Trump

Doubtful it's "feud" related in my opinion.

There's at least one high profile Amateur Hutch boxer. Well at least he was a few years ago when it kicked off. Was top level underage kid at the time. Would be setting a silly precedent of attacking people in clubs if you're own are vulnerable to the same

deco nate

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Seems like a whiff of cordite off the lot of them.

You keep saying this, wanna expand on it.

Conservatory

deco nate wrote: »

You keep saying this, wanna expand on it.

Seems to mean a battle is about to commence.
Seems to be adopted by the rugby circle.
Seems odd to me.

murpho999

Dr Brown wrote: »

The Gardas did me speeding at the weekend thats where the resources are, going after decent people while the scumbags roam free.

How are Gardai supposed to pre-empt strikes?

Either way, it does not excuse your speeding, which is also an offence, is dangerous and you were rightly done for.

Conservatory

Dr Brown wrote: »

The Gardas did me speeding at the weekend thats where the resources are, going after decent people while the scumbags roam free.

Yeah well tell me this doctor. I seen a fella getting treated for a bump on the head in Beaumont last week. That doctor should of been out curing cancer. The whole system is a mess.
Don’t get me started on plumbers fitting kitchen sinks when there’s hotels to be built.

twowheelsonly

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Name some Irish boxing clubs that aren't gangster centred or full of ex hardened criminals, a way to rope in impressional youths under the guise of Irish boxing, it's a disgrace and so are the IBA.

Northside (Cork), O.L.O.L, Swords, Kilnamanagh, Callan, Kanturk, Paulstown, Ballynacargy, St Brigids (Kildare), Glasnevin, Neilstown, Clann Naofa.


Just a sample few.... BTW, ( co-incidentally ) all the named clubs had young boxers that brought home medals from the European Schoolboys and Schoolgirls in Bulgaria last week !! 14 medals in all - 4 Gold, 4 Silver and 6 Bronze and finished second in the medals table behind Russia and also second in the Gold medal table behind Russia out of 27 competing nations. You don't get results like that without hundreds of hours of training from dedicated boxers and coaches, the vast majority of whom have zero connection to any criminality.


It's a fact that many criminals do and have attached themselves to boxing but in the overall scheme they're still a very small minority.

Larbre34

Dr Brown wrote: »

The Gardas did me speeding at the weekend thats where the resources are, going after decent people while the scumbags roam free.

Pathetic.

deco nate

Conservatory wrote: »

Seems to mean a battle is about to commence.
Seems to be adopted by the rugby circle.
Seems odd to me.

Well I thought she was in the "know" about something seeing as she lives in Spain (I seem to remember the poster is a she) thanks for Clarifying a cryptic post

Ash.J.Williams

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Piece about Bobby Messett
http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/cyclist-shot-dead-bobby-messett/

Totally innocent and valuable member of the community according to tributes, shocking. Killed training before work.