League of Ireland in Europe 2018

dfx-

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Didn't realise Duffy was missing for Dundalk, he is a big loss especially if McEleney isn't ready to step in yet. I still fancy them to get a win tonight. Rovers I reckon will run AIK close, maybe a score draw in Tallaght tonight, will be interesting to see if Bradley goes with Bazunu or Mannus in goals, surely too much at stake to risk starting a 16 year old kid? Derry could get a hammering I fear, will be fortunate to keep it less than a three goal defeat but hopefully Minsk will underestimate them.

Always a great time of year with all the clubs in Europe but other than Dundalk it's hard to see anyone else progressing.

I don't think there's much chance at all tonight unless AIK get lost on the Luas to Saggart, 0-2 AIK for me.

I think this side could do something against the likes of Ekranas, Bnei Yehuda or RoPS of recent draws, but AIK should be another level.

Awesomeness

Good news that duffy starts but bit disappointed that Adorjan doesn't

Ferris_Bueller

Derry 0-1 down after 2 mins. Could be a heavy defeat on the cards..

kksaints

Good goal for Dundalk. Vital away goal.

SteelyDanJalapeno

These on tv anywhere?

kksaints

Rovers match is on eir sports

MD1990

Dundalk should get through. Have an edge in fitness. Levadia are decent going forward but like last year still poor at the back. Although they are better than last season.

Connolly,Duffy & McGrath all played well. Gannon & Massey both poor & need to improve.
Benson found some great positions but his end product was poor too many touches. Dundalk had 2 great chances to go 2-0 in the last 15 as Levadia tired.

MD1990

Rovers have started very well in the first 10 mins

White Horse

Poor game in Tallaght, AIK starting to dictate play. Bolger and Finn are anonymous.

Long second half ahead for Rovers.

Ferris_Bueller

White Horse wrote: »

Poor game in Tallaght, AIK starting to dictate play. Bolger and Finn are anonymous.

Long second half ahead for Rovers.

I don't think it's a a poor game, both teams well able to play football but no real chances for either team. Rovers started great but AIK have really started to dominate, half time came at a good time for Rovers.

Coustrain is Rovers biggest threat down the right and Watts looks tidy. Weird formation they aren't really playing a left winger and are letting Kavanagh go 1v1 with their wing back. AIK fans making a lot of noise!

Zebra3

Many AIK there?

White Horse

That was coming. Bolger and Finn might was well be sitting at home.

Gavin "shels"

Zebra3 wrote: »

Many AIK there?

400ish according to our mutual mate BC who is sitting next to them at the moment. Seems a very poor Rovers crowd there going by a few pictures of the East Stand.

applehunter

Finn & especially Bolger were disappointing.

You could count on one hand the about of times Bolger got turned in midfield. Spent his time pointing at other players and throwing a tantrums.

Ferris_Bueller

sugarman wrote: »

Not the worst result, still something to play for away anyway...

...but a fairly disappointing performance overall given the start we had. Held onto the ball well throughout the game and looked solid at the back. It took AIK 60 minutes to really get into the game, we should have at least tested them in that time. Their keeper looked seriously ropey, spilling every half shot from distance. Midfield was too static and we really just struggled to create and take any proper chances up front ...as did AIK really. One chance and they took it.

Fair report I would say, disappointing result more so than performance I think but AIK were there for the taking.

On a positive note I think it will be some team when Clarke gets back fit, Watts will be a great addition and Coustrain has come on so much since the start of the season. Only areas then that might be slightly weak are up front where Carr is isolated and at right back where I am not convinced by Boyle (although he hasn't been terrible).

MD1990

Bolger will be gone at the end of the season. He can't move.

Rovers have a good team now. Started to build a decent squad.

Coustrain deserves huge credit. Probably most improved player in the league looked oit of his depth 6 months ago now is performing very well.

NIMAN

So we didn't get the hammering many were predicting., even after conceding a goal in 2 minutes.

We never really scared Minsk at all, but got a good bit of possession after going behind for the rest of the first half. Second half we were found lacking compared to them for fitness, and it was easy enough 2 nil victory for them in the end.

The atmosphere was very flat all night. The ground was only half full, the boycott worked and many obviously decided to stick to their guns and not go.

Disappointing night over all. As I sat in the stadium tonight I thought about previous euro nights v likes of Gothenberg and PSG, and the place was jumping. Tonight the atmosphere was worse than most LOI games.

joeysoap

Bottom line is : you have to be seeded.

Dundalk probably got the two hardest draws they could get for a seeded team. But the draw(s) they got are still miles better than Derrys or Rovers draws.

Awesomeness

joeysoap wrote: »

Bottom line is : you have to be seeded.

Dundalk probably got the two hardest draws they could get for a seeded team. But the draw(s) they got are still miles better than Derrys or Rovers draws.

Ah I dunno about that. Dundalk would have beaten AIK. Rovers would have beat them too if they had have shown a bit more intent. They were way too happy to take a nil nil.

Coleraine not seeded and they got a good result away from home

joeysoap

Awesomeness wrote: »

Coleraine not seeded and they got a good result away from home

Coleraine probably got the luckiest draw possible


Spartan Suboptica have absolutely no coefficient of their own. None.
Their entire coefficient of 3.400 comes from their national sides coefficient

Under the new system it’s whatever is greater club or country.



Ireland is 1.340

Derry’s are 0.750 so they get the Irish coefficient 1.340
Rovers are 1,250 so they too get 1.340
If Waterford qualify next year they too will start with 1,340

Dundalk are 5,500 so they keep 5,500
City are 1.750 so they keep 1.750

Imo any LOI club would probably have beaten Spartak Subtopica, but coleraine were unlucky not to win

https://www.footballseeding.com/club-ranking/a2018-2019/

Gavin "shels"

NIMAN wrote: »

The atmosphere was very flat all night. The ground was only half full, the boycott worked and many obviously decided to stick to their guns and not go.

Disappointing night over all. As I sat in the stadium tonight I thought about previous euro nights v likes of Gothenberg and PSG, and the place was jumping. Tonight the atmosphere was worse than most LOI games.

Will many travel over to the away leg? What's happened to Derry's away support in general? It seems pish poor these days and generally just OAP couples.... unusual.

SteelyDanJalapeno

joeysoap wrote: »

Coleraine probably got the luckiest draw possible


Spartan Suboptica have absolutely no coefficient of their own. None.
Their entire coefficient of 3.400 comes from their national sides coefficient

Under the new system it’s whatever is greater club or country.



Ireland is 1.340

Derry’s are 0.750 so they get the Irish coefficient 1.340
Rovers are 1,250 so they too get 1.340
If Waterford qualify next year they too will start with 1,340

Dundalk are 5,500 so they keep 5,500
City are 1.750 so they keep 1.750

Imo any LOI club would probably have beaten Spartak Subtopica, but coleraine were unlucky not to win

https://www.footballseeding.com/club-ranking/a2018-2019/

Dundalk have a great Coefficient

Awesomeness

joeysoap wrote: »

Coleraine probably got the luckiest draw possible


Spartan Suboptica have absolutely no coefficient of their own. None.
Their entire coefficient of 3.400 comes from their national sides coefficient

Under the new system it’s whatever is greater club or country.



Ireland is 1.340

Derry’s are 0.750 so they get the Irish coefficient 1.340
Rovers are 1,250 so they too get 1.340
If Waterford qualify next year they too will start with 1,340

Dundalk are 5,500 so they keep 5,500
City are 1.750 so they keep 1.750

Imo any LOI club would probably have beaten Spartak Subtopica, but coleraine were unlucky not to win

https://www.footballseeding.com/club-ranking/a2018-2019/

Yeah but that does not mean they are a bad team. They are coming from the serbian league which is not bad. There is a reason you get part of the country co-efficient.

Burnley have no points of their own but they will be seeded on the basis that their coming from the English league.

Glenavon were not seeded and they got a win. All in all the northern teams did quite well in the europa.

Seeding certainly helps a lot but its not the only thing. Luck of the draw comes into it. But I still think rovers should have won that match tonight if they should a bit more intent

joeysoap

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Dundalk have a great Coefficient

By my reckoning all 4 clubs will increase next year. But in all probability so will a lot of clubs (TNS will go to 5.000?)

Paz-CCFC

joeysoap wrote: »

By my reckoning all 4 clubs will increase next year. But in all probability so will a lot of clubs (TNS will go to 5.000?)

TNS have 5.000 at the moment. They're losing 1 point, but gaining at least 1.5, so they'll go to 5.500.

The new coefficient system is good for clubs from smaller leagues that consistently qualify. The EL used to give very little. The only way you could've really been seeded for the first round of the EL was if you were in the CL for a few years, as it was very difficult to get to the third round of the EL or further, where you'd start to earn a decent number of points as there was an exponential increase for the first few (0.25 -> 0.5 -> 1).

The new system gives a lot more for teams in the earlier rounds and the increase per round is regular, rather than exponential. It means you're guaranteed a decent amount and it's possible for an LoI side regularly qualifying for the EL to get 5.000+. Of course, the increase applies to every team, so there'll be a degree of inflation and the cut-off point for being seeded will increase in line with that. But not all the same teams qualify every year. At least you won't necessarily have teams in Europe for the first time in ages ranked ahead of teams that qualify every year just because they're from a bigger league. In a few years time, we're more likely to have a few Irish teams that qualify regularly ranked ahead of teams from Cyprus, Poland, Sweden etc. that don't.

NIMAN

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Will many travel over to the away leg? What's happened to Derry's away support in general? It seems pish poor these days and generally just OAP couples.... unusual.

I'd say a handful.

We have always had that group of old folk for away games. They are part of a supporters club who go to every away game. Well in Ireland anyway. They even clubbed up years ago and bought their own bus.

Not sure if they will go to Minsk

Back in the day we had 3500 in both Gretna and Paris. Good times.

Worryingly for Derry, we have an old fan base, and I include myself in that group. Who knows what the future holds.

Eod100

Anyone know about any of the matches this week being televised?

prodsc

Eod100 wrote: »

Anyone know about any of the matches this week being televised?

Saw on a listings site that Shams game is on Eir Sports 1 at 6pm but isn't on their site!!!

Eod100

prodsc wrote: »

Saw on a listings site that Shams game is on Eir Sports 1 at 6pm but isn't on their site!!!

Yeah coverage seems pretty poor so far this season. Maybe they're counting on Dundalk progressing and Cork having bye to Europa if they don't, and so will show their games at later stage. Think with the World Cup over they'd capitalise on viewers wanting to see more football. Coverage of LOI in general on the seems less than last year too.

MD1990

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah coverage seems pretty poor so far this season. Maybe they're counting on Dundalk progressing and Cork having bye to Europa if they don't, and so will show their games at later stage. Think with the World Cup over they'd capitalise on viewers wanting to see more football. Coverage of LOI in general on the seems less than last year too.

Happens every year with the Gaelic.

Should be showing more as the LOI teams are a much better watch than the awful GAA games on tv.

Eod100

MD1990 wrote: »

Happens every year with the Gaelic.

Should be showing more as the LOI teams are a much better watch than the awful GAA games on tv.

Well none of the European games clash with Gaa. And most LOI games on Friday evening so don't clash either. Don't think Eir show much GAA

Awesomeness

I heard that RTE wanted to show the Dundalk game last week but were not willing to pay a fee to do so.

The club instead decided to go and stream the game themselves. Hopefully this continues. I want the league on tv but I want the clubs to get something for it.

dfx-

prodsc wrote: »

Saw on a listings site that Shams game is on Eir Sports 1 at 6pm but isn't on their site!!!

AIK v Rovers, Eir Sport..

https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/1019153090761691136

joeysoap

Good luck to City today.

Hard ask but you never know.

Anyway I hope they enjoy the craic (and flares)

Worst case they are in the 3rd round of Europa League.

This video is the last minute of the 2016 match when Dundalk were chasing the 2nd goal.

https://youtu.be/zGpcjLCjrHs

major bill

Very hard to see City get 2 or more goals tonight, would be a massive result but would take an unbelievable performance.

Many Cork travel?

MD1990

Cork will most likely find it hard on Legia's bigger pitch.

McNamee's miss was awful last week. Legia look poor at the back.
Sadlier needs to start tonight. I would drop McNamee.

doncarlos

Away to Warsaw was the most intimidating experience I've ever had at a game. Their fans were absolutely nuts. The whole stadium was bouncing and the noise they were producing was unreal. There are quite a few of the Cork players will never have experienced anything like it and it's important for the likes of Delaney to keep them focused.

applehunter

Doing alright.

Keep it at 0-0 till HT and it's game on.

Guffy

applehunter wrote: »

Doing alright.

Keep it at 0-0 till HT and it's game on.

Kiss of death :P

major bill

very soft goal

applehunter

FFS Cherrie.

Pathetic stuff.

White Horse

Very close from Sheppard, thats more like it.

Oat23

No need to close him down or anything. Just give him 10 seconds to float in a cross.

White Horse

Oat23 wrote: »

No need to close him down or anything. Just give him 10 seconds to float in a cross.

FFS, look at the Cork midfield. Get up the pitch and put some pressure on Legia.

MD1990

Cork doing ok.

But not enough quality in the front line.
Sadlier should be starting would have more pace to get in behind Legia's high line.

Oat23

White Horse wrote: »

FFS, look at the Cork midfield. Get up the pitch and put some pressure on Legia.

It was unbelievable really. Can't give anyone that much time.

MD1990

sugarman wrote: »

Cork playing well, getting decent half chances but a terrible goal to concede tho ..can't see them scoring, nevermind 2 now.

Concede soft goal
Don't look like scoring

How is that doing well?

Got into Legia half and not conceded too many chances .

MD1990

Corks midfield will be knackered after 60 mins.

Covering a lot of ground. They have done well

joeysoap

That was poor from McNamee

Omackeral

You'd hope JC would just tell them to go for it in the 2nd half. No point relying on half chances to get two goals back. Go down giving it everything. Legia's keeper isn't afraid to leave his box either, like a sweeper.