Social contradiction on how we treat animals

Tilikum17

https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-change-in-the-collective-mass-for-wild-mammals-humans-cattle-and-all-livestock_fig7_275657970

ganmo

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-change-in-the-collective-mass-for-wild-mammals-humans-cattle-and-all-livestock_fig7_275657970

that's a strange article the eco watch one. the research paper's conclusion was 'We identify areas in which current knowledge is lacking and further research is most required. Ideally, future research will include both temporal and geographic resolution.'
yet the interviewed person that wasn't involved in the research sees it as a paper to change our way of life.

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/9cll1a/the_sheer_scale_of_worldwide_animal_agriculture/?st=JLNB8SDQ&sh=9a80d113

whats the context for that vid?

and the researchgate piece, how is our diet in ireland going to impact on the african expansion into wildlife areas?

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html

ecowatch wrote:

Overall, animals have nothing on the other other kingdoms. Plants dominate, accounting for about 80 percent of all of the earth's biomass, followed by bacteria at about 15 percent.

A vegan future?

Intensive Industrial factory style arable production (US) and not an animal in sight ...

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/9cll1a/the_sheer_scale_of_worldwide_animal_agriculture/?st=JLNB8SDQ&sh=9a80d113

^^
On viewing a rather inaccurate US video - with the title ...
'The sheer scale of worldwide animal agriculture is utterly inconceivable' (sic)

For a comparison of scale - take a look at the "sheer scale' of US arable agriculture pictured above which I'm sure would surprise many etc....

No source details for footage either date nor location. Checked the group listed at the end of the video - and surprise it's a vegan anti animal farming organisation.

So details relevant to footage from one factory farm in the US not 'Worldwide' .

It's the naked dishonesty of this this type of social media propaganda which is the biggest turnoff for me tbh

Nekarsulm

gozunda wrote: »

^^
It's the naked dishonesty of this this type of social media propaganda which is the biggest turnoff for me tbh

Their agenda is a direct reversal of Orwell's mantra.
Two legs good, four legs bad.

Tilikum17

Edinburgh

Tilikum17

Google trends

Lady Haywire

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Edinburgh

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Google trends

What exactly have these to do with the thread title?

Suckler

Lady Haywire wrote: »

What exactly have these to do with the thread title?

Throwing sh1t at a wall in the hope some might stick.

ganmo

Suckler wrote: »

Throwing sh1t at a wall in the hope some might stick.

who has their muck spreader hooked up?

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Edinburgh

Scribbles on a wall are an argument for ?

I think you will find that hospitals admit all types of people - including vegans suffering from cancer, diabetes (type 1 & 2), heart disease etc etc

As for Kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) it's not really a condition for joking around or for the purpose of agenda pushing is it?

See: https://www.healthline.com/health/kwashiorkor

davidjtaylor

Lady Haywire wrote: »

What exactly have these to do with the thread title?

It's another failure of logic, perhaps, another contradiction of logic.

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

It's another failure of logic, perhaps, another contradiction of logic.

Whose 'failure / contradiction of logic?

One is a bizarre reference to illness & hospital and the other is a rather bizarre graph showing a foodstuff (bacon) compared with a diet / lifestyle (vegan)

From the thread title - I think we are discussing whether there are any 'social contradictions' how people treat animals' and whether or not - some graph shows something or other in terms of search results is neither here nor there

So nope don't see any relevance there tbh...

ganmo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

It's another failure of logic, perhaps, another contradiction of logic.

right lets go through the claim and how they relate to society's treatment of animals

Heart disease - Age, Sex Genetics, Smoking
Diabetes - Type 1 purely genetic, type 2 sugar intake
Obesity - calorie intake vs exercise
Cancer - genetics, sun exposure, smoking, radiation, viruses, bacteria, alcohol

where diet does come into the listed diseases(except diabetes) its excessive intake of everything.

now tell me again how that post relates to the thread?

davidjtaylor

ganmo wrote: »

right lets go through the claim and how they relate to society's treatment of animals

Heart disease - Age, Sex Genetics, Smoking
Diabetes - Type 1 purely genetic, type 2 sugar intake
Obesity - calorie intake vs exercise
Cancer - genetics, sun exposure, smoking, radiation, viruses, bacteria, alcohol

where diet does come into the listed diseases(except diabetes) its excessive intake of everything.

now tell me again how that post relates to the thread?

Hang on, you seem to be saying that meat and dairy consumption have nothing to do with hospitals filled with people with the above ailments.

emaherx

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Google trends

Most people who eat bacon don't Google it

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=McDonalds,Vegan

ganmo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Hang on, you seem to be saying that meat and dairy consumption have nothing to do with hospitals filled with people with the above ailments.

compared to other risk factors yes

take diabetes for example. an addition 150 calories from all sources rose the risk 0.1% where the 150 came from sugar it rose the risk 1%

I've actually never heard of meat being a factor in diabetes

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Hang on, you seem to be saying that meat and dairy consumption have nothing to do with hospitals filled with people with the above ailments.

I think you are going waaaay of topic there....

Are you saying that the small percentage of vegans that exist don't get cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc or or that those that do - arn't being treated in hospital??

Vegans can have unhealthy diets - A junkfood diet of doughnuts and coke etc could be vegan but wouldn't be good for you either ..

davidjtaylor

ganmo wrote: »

compared to other risk factors yes

take diabetes for example. an addition 150 calories from all sources rose the risk 0.1% where the 150 came from sugar it rose the risk 1%

I've actually never heard of meat being a factor in diabetes

Yes, diabetes is primarily associated with excessive glucose consumption. But you seem to be saying that meat and dairy has nothing to do with all the other leading causes of death. Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, diabetes is primarily associated with excessive glucose consumption. But you seem to be saying that meat and dairy has nothing to do with all the other leading causes of death. Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

Wrong. type 1 and type 2 diabetes are not the same condition and are not linked by 'excessive glucose consumption' (sic)

Just because a person goes to hospital does not mean they at deaths door either ... I think you are
conflabulating your opinions on things being bad, treatment in hospital and dying.

emaherx

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Hang on, you seem to be saying that meat and dairy consumption have nothing to do with hospitals filled with people with the above ailments.

Hmm hospitals full of sick people who eat meat, because most people eat meat?

An unhealthy Vegan Diet can also lead to heart disease just like an unhealthy diet which has meat/dairy.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/some-types-of-vegetarian-diet-can-raise-heart-disease-risk/

ganmo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, diabetes is primarily associated with excessive glucose consumption. But you seem to be saying that meat and dairy has nothing to do with all the other leading causes of death. Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

ganmo wrote: »

compared to other risk factors yes

take diabetes for example. an addition 150 calories from all sources rose the risk 0.1% where the 150 came from sugar it rose the risk 1%

I've actually never heard of meat being a factor in diabetes

how much of an impact do you say meat has on diabetes ?

Google "risk factors" and any of the diseases come back when you found a ranked list that says meat on it

davidjtaylor

ganmo wrote: »

how much of an impact do you say meat has on diabetes ?

I'm not a statistician or medical researcher, so I can't say. Why do you ask?

davidjtaylor

emaherx wrote: »

An unhealthy Vegan Diet can also lead to heart disease just like an unhealthy diet which has meat/dairy.

I agree entirely.

ganmo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

I'm not a statistician or medical researcher, so I can't say. Why do you ask?

because you seem to think there is a link and I say there isn't

btw I'm not a medical researcher either but i know how to use google scholar

davidjtaylor

ganmo wrote: »

because you seem to think there is a link and I say there isn't

I've never stated there is a link between meat and diabetes, though I'd have an open mind about it. Where did I say it?

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

I agree entirely.

So you agree that vegans can and do end up in hospitals for treatment of various conditions- lifestyle and otherwise?

This makes for an interesting read ...

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/vegan-propaganda-and-meat/

ganmo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

I've never stated there is a link between meat and diabetes, though I'd have an open mind about it. Where did I say it?

I didn't say you said it, i said you seem to think...

why I think this? you thanked post #97
and

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, diabetes is primarily associated with excessive glucose consumption. But you seem to be saying that meat and dairy has nothing to do with all the other leading causes of death. Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

davidjtaylor

davidjtaylor wrote: »

I've never stated there is a link between meat and diabetes, though I'd have an open mind about it. Where did I say it?

ganmo wrote: »

I didn't say you said it, i said you seem to think...

why I think this? you thanked post #97

Gosh, you're reading a hell of a lot in a simple thanked post.

davidjtaylor

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Yes, diabetes is primarily associated with excessive glucose consumption.

Just my usual cautious self.

davidjtaylor wrote: »

But you seem to be saying that meat and dairy has nothing to do with all the other leading causes of death.

I might be reading too much in your posts but you never answered that.