U.S. Open 2018

TheCitizen

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Phil took the pi$$ and cheated in the process. Stop talking $hyte.

The organizers of the tournament are taking the piss and mismanaging the event and no one will be called to account for it. You can stop talking shíte.

PokeHerKing

TheCitizen wrote:

The organizers of the tournament are taking the piss and mismanaging the event and no one will be called to account for it. You can stop talking shíte.

So it's a free for all is it? Tough course so sure just let the players do as they please?

I wouldn't do what Phil did in a casual round. Complete contempt for the sport and fans.

You're talking out your a$$.

TheCitizen

PokeHerKing wrote: »

So it's a free for all is it? Tough course so sure just let the players do as they please?

I wouldn't do what Phil did in a casual round. Complete contempt for the sport and fans.

You're talking out your a$$.

The onus is on the organizers to manage the event properly. If they fail to do that then they lose control. This isn’t a casual round of golf it’s a so called Major tournament.

Can you watch your language there pal.

tayto lover

Mickleson might not show up today and withdraw.

First Up

Wombatman wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

The level of roaring stupid stuff when a player tees off has reached new depths. How are these morons not escorted from the venue? Now they are getting away with jeering players like Poulter. They should be kicked out for stupid and spiteful behaviour.

Watching the Italian Open when Thorbjorn had a five footer on 18 to win and kill offf local hero Molinari's chance of a playoff. Absolutely hoards of local fans around the green and in the grandstand.

All it would have taken was one clown but you could hear a pin drop all the way through Olesen's setup and putt. Absolute class from the Italians.

The further North East you go in the US the worse it gets. Event junkies who know nothing about sport and can't hold their beer.

True unfortunately. The bozo's are on the beer from mid morning and by afternoon the place can be a war zone. Very rarely is anyone sanctioned; all you can hope is that the decent people in the gallery put manners on them.

PokeHerKing

TheCitizen wrote:

Can you watch your language there pal.

I'm not your pal, buddy. I'll watch my language if you stop talking shyte.

TheCitizen

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I'm not your pal, buddy. I'll watch my language if you stop talking shyte.

I will treat your remark with the contempt you deserve pal

slave1

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Phil took the pi$$ and cheated in the process. Stop talking $hyte.

Re Phil, he clearly knew what he was doing and said so with absolute certainty straight after the round on Fox, had enough with the putts back, knew he was going to get a two stroke penalty but it was his call, not meant as disrespect to the tournament or setup and he apologised if folk think that, again reiterating he knew what he was doing, knew the penalty but his call.
Not cheating in the slightest, know your rules and use them as you (and only you) see fit

slave1

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Hopefully we won't see those ridiculous pin positions today and they might water the greens. Wind is much reduced today so it should make it a bit more playable.

They were out watering the greens after the final groups yesterday.

First Up

slave1 wrote: »

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Phil took the pi$ and cheated in the process. Stop talking $hyte.

Re Phil, he clearly knew what he was doing and said so with absolute certainty straight after the round on Fox, had enough with the putts back, knew he was going to get a two stroke penalty but it was his call, not meant as disrespect to the tournament or setup and he apologised if folk think that, again reiterating he knew what he was doing, knew the penalty but his call.
Not cheating in the slightest, know your rules and use them as you (and only you) see fit

Not cheating but contrary to the spirit of the game, which is just as bad. He will suffer for it.

TheCitizen

First Up wrote: »

Not cheating but contrary to the spirit of the game, which is just as bad. He will suffer for it.

Who on the organizing committee will suffer for their failure to manage the event properly?

AnneFrank

slave1 wrote: »

Re Phil, he clearly knew what he was doing and said so with absolute certainty straight after the round on Fox, had enough with the putts back, knew he was going to get a two stroke penalty but it was his call, not meant as disrespect to the tournament or setup and he apologised if folk think that, again reiterating he knew what he was doing, knew the penalty but his call.
Not cheating in the slightest, know your rules and use them as you (and only you) see fit

Technically you are right, but golf is a gentlemans game, about etiquette and respect, Phil showed neither to the game we love and play.So the course was a farce, play your round and lodge a complaint like a pro

AnneFrank

TheCitizen wrote: »

Who on the organizing committee will suffer for their failure to manage the event properly?

There is no excuse for what Phil did, it was childish.Your gripe is a different one, and a fair point, it's not enjoyable to watch at all

Mantis Toboggan

I'd imagine that if it was someone other than Phil then they would have been disqualified.

Mushy

Was the wind speed predicted to be that high? Would dry out greens very quickly. Only a few holes got messy, they got the balance wrong there which they've effectively admitted to. It'll happen when trying to get it as close as possible to very difficult.

PokeHerKing

slave1 wrote:

Not cheating in the slightest, know your rules and use them as you (and only you) see fit

Ridiculous statement. It was a deliberate act. Not using a rule to your advantage. Just because he did it in full view doesn't make him any less of a cheat.

Mushy

Tyson Fury wrote: »

I'd imagine that if it was someone other than Phil then they would have been disqualified.

Without doubt. Not looking forward to seeing the everyday player following this example

Joe Dog

I wonder would Phil have done what he did if he was in contention.

Cork Boy 53

Joe Dog wrote: »

I wonder would Phil have done what he did if he was in contention.

Not a chance of that.

Joe Dog

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not a chance of that.

Exactly what I thought which means that his defence of his behavior that he was using the rules to his advantage is complete nonsense.

FixdePitchmark

massive Phil fan

But not a chance in hell that he should play today.

Unless he views place as hell.

But come on Phil. You need some people around you in life that can give you a good kick in the arse. The person should be yourself first.

And I wouldn't be overly sanctimonious about it.

You just don't do that in golf.
You wouldn't see it in an amateur event. If you did it would be an nr.

We have all /most called ourselves out on the most innocuous stuff.

Wombatman

John Daly did the exact same thing as Phil in 1999 US Open and got a two shot penalty. Phil knew this. If he was being really clever he could have waited for the ball to stop, declared it unplayable and went back to where he took the first putt for a one shot penalty.

ligerdub

Can't believe the soft touch Phil is getting on what he did (generally, not strictly boards), even down to the criticism that the interviewers got for asking certain questions about it.

Check any video of the incident online and I guarantee that 90% of the comments are along the lines of "go phil", some sort of shrug of the shoulders and claiming it's within the rules, or some OTT criticism of a commentators opinion.

I'm as big a fan of Phil as it comes, and I can totally understand that over the course of a career as long as his that a moment like that can happen. What he did though was tantamount to cheating. He didn't fancy where the ball was going so he put a stop to that himself, that isn't golf. It isn't up to him to apply the rules, but since he withdrew (I understand) then he should have been allowed to withdraw, or failing that be DQed for what he did.

Golf has a few rules that are strict to the point of being excessive, this isn't one of them, and it's fairly clear he was deliberately hitting a moving ball.

Golf is a game that makes nods to greats that have gone before, and all players inherit that burden and responsibility. Phil's best tournament is the Masters, one which he has won 3 times. It's also a tournament where the shadow of Bobby Jones looms large. I don't think Mr Jones would have been too impressed.

http://www.itslikethis.org/integrity-at-the-1925-us-open/

Wombatman

Wombatman wrote: »

John Daly did the exact same thing as Phil in 1999 US Open and got a two shot penalty. Phil knew this. If he was being really clever he could have waited for the ball to stop, declared it unplayable and went back to where he took the first putt for a one shot penalty.

I presume he left himself with a much easier putt the 2nd time though no?
Actually what would have happened if he had holed it which he nearly did just the 2 shots?

PropJoe10

What Mickelson did was a really poor example to youngsters taking up the game. Whatever about actually doing it, he shouldn't have said what he did to the media. Always been a fan of his but it was poor, I thought.

First Up

TheCitizen wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

Not cheating but contrary to the spirit of the game, which is just as bad. He will suffer for it.

Who on the organizing committee will suffer for their failure to manage the event properly?

If you specify what bits should have been managed better we can look to attribute responsibility.

Richard Hillman

The wind is only 10-15kph today. Would still fancy a similar story to yesterday where an early starter blitzes the course and the others are just hanging on to their lead.

GreeBo

Every year this tournament shows why you can't let these people organise it.
They just don't have the experience or expertise, one event a year doesn't give them enough exposure and pretty much every year they make a hash of it.

A course can be brutally hard without being unplayable. Using the couple of good scores to prove the course was ok is silly, they were early in the day and only 3 guys.

Great shots shouldn't be punished and that happened in a number of holes due to poor judgement about pin placement

Phil makes eagle

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

Great shots shouldn't be punished and that happened in a number of holes due to poor judgement about pin placement

well said GreeBo