Machete murder in Cork

juno10353

Gardaí believe machete killers are Irish as they renew appeal for information over murder http://jrnl.ie/4067253

Having searched over the last few days I am amazed that there was no thread opened on this horrific incident.

Are we becoming desensitised to the horrors around us. It would seem that the last few weeks have had unprecedented amount of violent events.

A father slaughtered in front of his wife and children, mother severely injured, unbelievable savagery. Thoughts with family and friends.

The_Kew_Tour

It went quiet for few days which was strange.

SEPT 23 1989

only one group comes to mind

suicide_circus

I don't see how his wife and kids will ever recover from witnessing this

Strazdas

I'm guessing the woman must have been seriously injured when she tried to defend her husband. These savages are clearly very dangerous and need locking up for a long time if caught. It could easily have been a double murder.

Uncharted

I was almost relieved to see no thread on the subject because in general,they descend into disrespectful, speculative shouting matches based on very little other than rumour.

My condolences to the family.

draiochtanois

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Mikenesson

draiochtanois wrote: »

What group is that?

I assume he means our cultural group?

draiochtanois

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thebull85

draiochtanois wrote: »

What kind of grudge do you think they would have?

No grudge, just robbing b*stards.

wexie

thebull85 wrote: »

No grudge, just robbing b*stards.

nothing was stolen though from what I understand from the news.

And with a sustained assault like that, up close and personal it will definitely have been a grudge of some sort.

allthedoyles

draiochtanois wrote: »

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A territorial patch is my guessing

Mikenesson

allthedoyles wrote: »

A territorial patch is my guessing

Does our 'cultural group' have territorial patches
for legitimate business interests?

I thought they operated randomly.

I know they're also involved in narcotics where you could expect this sort of thing to happen over a patch.

whisky_galore

Mikenesson wrote: »

I assume he means our cultural group?

Bit extreme, even by their standards. And they usually keep this stuff 'in the family'.

Chinasea

No facts as yet. Hope they will eventually come out...

Looking like a "Turf war" against foreigners (although the poor family are in this country for years.)

If this horrendous murder has been carried out by the inferred Irish gang who are quick to call racism then we have hit the bottom.

I wonder will the Gardai be able to take this on.

I heard this incident been reporated on an overseas radio station referencing that it could be an attack with racist undertones.

I am ashamed.

jimgoose

I live a couple of miles in towards town from where this happened, it's a very quiet corner of Cork. Everyone is a bit stunned to discover the sort of head-cases we apparently have running around the place. Doesn't "feel" like travellers, in my view. No-one, the Gardaí included, seems to have a notion at this juncture what it could be in aid of. I'd consider this a particularly gruesome and savage piece of work by any standards anywhere, never mind Ballinora.

NIMAN

Can only imagine what witnessing that must have been like, he had young kids around the age of mine, and I'd hate to think what seeing your dad cut to pieces will have on them.

Doesn't bear thinking about.

When some say "I don't agree with the death penalty", its cases like this that would change your mind. Absolute scum of the earth to do that for whatever reason.

Your Face

juno10353 wrote: »

Are we becoming desensitised to the horrors around us. It would seem that the last few weeks have had unprecedented amount of violent events.

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say I'm desensitised.

Ive simply given up wasting my time hoping that we will get any change

Outdated laws.
Soft sentencing
Overcrowded prisons due to not having enough prisons.
Gardai resources cut.
Each instance of multiple convictions treated like an isolated incident.

Its a cause that won't be championed by any politician. The effort and work involved in Criminal Law Reform won't get headlines or feel good retweets.

Mikenesson

Irish mirror hinting that an irish 'cultural' gang was involved

'A gang that travels across the country'

suicide_circus

Mikenesson wrote: »

Irish mirror hinting that an irish 'cultural' gang was involved

gaeilgeoirs is it?

Mikenesson

suicide_circus wrote: »

gaeilgeoirs is it?

More Jailgoers

ToddyDoody

juno10353 wrote: »

Are we becoming desensitised to the horrors around us. It would seem that the last few weeks have had unprecedented amount of violent events

I was in Balincollig once and it didn't seem like the type of place that an organised attack like this would occur. Genuinely put the wind up the sails a bit.

What could be the motive? Undercutting the locals in the landscape business would hardly be it?

Esel

Mikenesson wrote: »

More Jailgoers

Gaolgoers then.

SEPT 23 1989

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I was in Balincollig once and it didn't seem like the type of place that an organised attack like this would occur. Genuinely put the wind up the sails a bit.

What could be the motive? Undercutting the locals in the landscape business would hardly be it?

Maybe they tried to rob his gardening tools off him and he gave one of them a deserved hiding

From the photos he looked like he could handle himself

But not against a gang with machetes at night

Cowardly vermin that they are

partyguinness

The use of a machete is very personal.

A lot can go wrong. The person may not die, fight back, blood, very messy job, DNA etc. This is not a usual MO you find in Ireland viz. gun drive by. whereas machetes are used quite a lot in Africa and South America.

Very peculiar but whatever the victim was up to he clearly pissed off some peeps.

partyguinness

Mikenesson wrote: »

Irish mirror hinting that an irish 'cultural' gang was involved

'A gang that travels across the country'

The red tops can hint all they want. They are just blurting out fairly standard non specific cookie cutter phrases to fill up their rags.


They know jack ****.

refusetolose

heard they chopped off his hands..not sure how true it is

Esel

partyguinness wrote: »

The use of a machete is very personal.

A lot can go wrong. The person may not die, fight back, blood, very messy job, DNA etc. This is not a usual MO you find in Ireland viz. gun drive by. whereas machetes are used quite a lot in Africa and South America.

Very peculiar but whatever the victim was up to he clearly pissed off some peeps.

Handgun found and burnt-out car.

evolving_doors

Did another friend escape out the window?

partyguinness

Esel wrote: »

Handgun found and burnt-out car.

True but the article pointed that it was not used plus car was essential in a rural ares. Perhaps it was just to **** him up rather than kill him but then the victim would be able to give some insight as to the motives etc.


On the one hand it was carefully planned but on the other it makes no sense.

evolving_doors

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I was in Balincollig once and it didn't seem like the type of place that an organised attack like this would occur. Genuinely put the wind up the sails a bit.

What could be the motive? Undercutting the locals in the landscape business would hardly be it?

Anything can be organised and anyone's life bought! Even in ballincollig.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/two-jailed-after-trying-to-buy-weapons-for-limerick-gang-1.897356

riffmongous

partyguinness wrote: »

The use of a machete is very personal.

A lot can go wrong. The person may not die, fight back, blood, very messy job, DNA etc. This is not a usual MO you find in Ireland viz. gun drive by. whereas machetes are used quite a lot in Africa and South America.

Very peculiar but whatever the victim was up to he clearly pissed off some peeps.

Only if they really were trying to murder him.. violent assaults with knives and bars were used by the likes of the Westies for intimidation and torture of addicts who couldn't pay.

partyguinness

riffmongous wrote: »

Only if they really were trying to murder him.. violent assaults with knives and bars were used by the likes of the Westies for intimidation and torture of addicts who couldn't pay.

Another point is that 4 turned up. That would appear a tad excessive for a hit. Expecting a fight rather than a straight up kill?



Obviously we are just speculating but surely if you are setting out to kill someone, you keep it as simple as possible and using a very messy MO is peculiar. There are 4 people out there now wanted for murder. That's a lot to cover up.

kneemos

partyguinness wrote: »

Another point is that 4 turned up. That would appear a tad excessive for a hit. Expecting a fight rather than a straight up kill?



Obviously we are just speculating but surely if you are setting out to kill someone, you keep it as simple as possible and using a very messy MO is peculiar. There are 4 people out there now wanted for murder. That's a lot to cover up.

Who brings machete's to a fight?

suicide_circus

Not a million miles from a machete

riffmongous

kneemos wrote: »

Who brings machete's to a fight?

This was just 2 weeks ago

A man is fighting for his life after an apparent machete attack left him with severe head injuries.

Four men were arrested after gardai were called to the scene in the Ninth Lock area of Clondalkin, west Dublin at around 7.10pm.

It's understood a man was hit with a machete, a type of large blade. He has since been taken to hospital, while gardai said they found the four men in a car close to the scene, Dublin Live reports .

They said: "Gardai have arrested four men, following an assault on a man in his 20s at a filling station on the 9th Lock Road in Clondalkin, on 31st May 2018 at 7.10pm.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/man-fighting-life-four-arrested-12629865

2 months ago

A man is in a serious condition after being attacked with a machete on a busy street in Co Meath.

The victim is in his 20s and was assaulted on Killegland Street, Ashbourne, at 11.20am on Monday morning. He was attacked by a man who emerged from a silver Volkswagen Golf car and chased him down the street.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/assailant-attacks-man-with-machete-in-ashbourne-1.3471795

Francie Barrett

ToddyDoody wrote: »

What could be the motive? Undercutting the locals in the landscape business would hardly be it?

My guess is that some sort of minor dispute escalated into this deplorable murder.

This lad was Polish, looked like he could handle himself and wasn't the sort of person who would be easily intimidated. Perhaps he got into an altercation with a person of a certain cultural community, and it ended with the Polish fella busting him up. Maybe the person of the aforementioned cultural community didn't take it lightly, perhaps he was well connected with his community and decided to take revenge. The Polish man just might not have realised who he was dealing with.

riffmongous

Francie Barrett wrote: »

My guess is that some sort of minor dispute escalated into this deplorable murder.

This lad was Polish, looked like he could handle himself and wasn't the sort of person who would be easily intimidated. Perhaps he got into an altercation with a person of a certain cultural community, and it ended with the Polish fella busting him up. Maybe the person of the aforementioned cultural community didn't take it lightly, perhaps he was well connected with his community and decided to take revenge. The Polish man just might not have realised who he was dealing with.

Ah c'mon, you don't have to be a traveller to do get a gang of mates together to go beat some one up after an altercation, there are plenty of settled scumbags who have done it too.

enricoh

Read there in the news they reckon it was East European gang, commando style operation. They seem to have taken over the market near me in cannabis growhouses, could it be possible linked? Was a big issue here years ago of extortion by eastern Europeans on eastern Europeans, having to pay so much a week out of your wages, Know a lad who got absolutely battered.
/www.thesun.ie/news/2698403/mikolaj-wilk-murder-ballincollig-cork-garda-probe-latest/

Francie Barrett

riffmongous wrote: »

Ah c'mon, you don't have to be a traveller to do get a gang of mates together to go beat some one up after an altercation, there are plenty of settled scumbags who have done it too.

Seems unlikely that a Polish fella living in a quiet area of Cork is going to get involved with a settled gang to such an extent that four of them would murder him with machete's.

I suppose it will all come out soon enough.

riffmongous

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Seems unlikely that a Polish fella living in a quiet area of Cork is going to get involved with a settled gang to such an extent that four of them would murder him with machete's.

I suppose it will all come out soon enough.

Who knows what could have happened on a night out and someone said the wrong thing to the wrong person, remember the 2 poor Polish lads who got stabbed in the head with a screwdriver just because they wouldn't buy beer for some kids?

SEPT 23 1989

An Eastern European gang would have just have put a bullet in his head

Machetes meat cleavers slash hooks are the trade marks of the savage

Happy4all

enricoh wrote: »

Read there in the news they reckon it was East European gang, commando style operation. They seem to have taken over the market near me in cannabis growhouses, could it be possible linked? Was a big issue here years ago of extortion by eastern Europeans on eastern Europeans, having to pay so much a week out of your wages, Know a lad who got absolutely battered.
/www.thesun.ie/news/2698403/mikolaj-wilk-murder-ballincollig-cork-garda-probe-latest/

They had Cork accents

Wailin

enricoh wrote: »

Read there in the news they reckon it was East European gang, commando style operation. They seem to have taken over the market near me in cannabis growhouses, could it be possible linked? Was a big issue here years ago of extortion by eastern Europeans on eastern Europeans, having to pay so much a week out of your wages, Know a lad who got absolutely battered.
/www.thesun.ie/news/2698403/mikolaj-wilk-murder-ballincollig-cork-garda-probe-latest/

Wrong. Gardai confirmed they were Irish, not foreign.

SEPT 23 1989

Savage_ward wrote: »

Can't see organised crime killing someone over missing out on garden maintenance jobs

Nothing organised about it

Just roaring and shouting around the camp fire

Pero_Bueno

So, imagine people want to get a job done on their garden - they could choose "The wanderers" ... but they want a good job, they don't want to hand over €750 for a big hole in their garden and lots of broken pallets just thrown about the place + the possibility items being stolen - for them to run off with the money - so they call a competent gardening company that will do the job and accept payment after said job was done.

However "The wanderers" don't like their stealing site business patch taken from them - so they react with violence.

But I don't know, I'm just speculating here.

enricoh

Wailin wrote: »

Wrong. Gardai confirmed they were Irish, not foreign.

Gardai believe the brutes who descended on their isolated home in Ballincollig, Co Cork were foreign given the level of ­violence and ­precision involved in the murder.
That's from todays paper

Wailin

enricoh wrote: »

Gardai believe the brutes who descended on their isolated home in Ballincollig, Co Cork were foreign given the level of ­violence and ­precision involved in the murder.
That's from todays paper

Gardaí believe machete killers are Irish as they renew appeal for information over murder http://jrnl.ie/4067253

And as already stated, they had cork accents.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Can we stop using the term "pole" to describe this poor guy? He's dead ffs...

The sick thing about this is that the scumbags who killed him will get a very light sentence in comparison. Life should mean life in these cases.

The_Kew_Tour

Adalyn Gifted Vowel wrote: »

Can we stop using the term "pole" to describe this poor guy? He's dead ffs...

The sick thing about this is that the scumbags who killed him will get a very light sentence in comparison. Life should mean life in these cases.

Totally agree.

It's a shocking murder.

But somthing not right about it either. Went very quiet for couple of days. Could be for any reason I'm no expert just seemed bit strange

2forjoy

The culprits need to be rounded up as soon as possible