Gang Rape in Kildare

SnakePlissken

Grayson wrote: »

Listen, when you see 600 out of 2.6 million are rapists and you think that you can extend that to everyone.

I never attempted to extend it to "everyone" but when the majority of UK Muslims are demonstrably homophobic I won't for one moment hesitate to highlight this very personal issue out of fear of clueless, knuckle dragging imbeciles who cry racism at any given opportunity.

Grayson wrote: »

if you're willing to cast judgement on 2.6 MILLION people because of the actions of 600 you're a racist bigot.

I'm casting judgement on 2.6 million people based on the estimated views (taken from many reputable polls) of over 1.3 million.

Grayson wrote: »

And don't give me the crap "islam isn't a race".

It's not, this an undeniable fact. Ask yourself, if critics of Islam are only doing so as they're simple racists, why then do you never see threads criticising Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists? Why are there not threads critical of Taoism and Shintoism?

Timberrrrrrrr

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I never attempted to extend it to "everyone" but when the majority of UK Muslims are demonstrably homophobic I won't for one moment highlight this very personal issue out of fear of clueless, knuckle dragging imbeciles who cry racism at any given opportunity.




I'm casting judgement on 2.6 million people based on the estimated views (taken from many reputable polls) of over 1.3 million.

So the 38% of Irish people who voted no to SSM are homophobes?

Sweetemotion

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So the 38% of Irish people who voted no to SSM are homophobes?

How many times have you said that same arguement :rolleyes:

Are Irish people throwing throwing gays of buildings?

enricoh

And don't give me the crap "islam isn't a race", if you're willing to cast judgement on 2.6 MILLION people because of the actions of 600 you're a racist bigot.[/quote]

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamist-extremists-uk-highest-number-europe-25000-terror-threat-eu-official-isis-islam.
The UK is home to up to 25,000 Islamist extremists who could pose a threat, the EU’s top terror official has warned.

I suppose mi5 are racist bigots over in the UK too? focusing on the Muslims, how dare they!

SnakePlissken

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So...

You really expect me to respond to someone who disgustingly called me a racist on thread despite me never once mentioning skin colour in all my years on this site? Jog on.

2 Scoops

These type of threads tend to get very quiet when people start posting awful things like facts and statistics.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So the 38% of Irish people who voted no to SSM are homophobes?

More the 78% of people who listed themselves as catholic on the census form. The 40% only voted es because they worried the everso liberal media would try and portray them as ignorant.

SnakePlissken

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

More the 78% of people who listed themselves as catholic on the census form. The 40% only voted es because they worried the everso liberal media would try and portray them as ignorant.

What?

SnakePlissken

2 Scoops wrote: »

These type of threads tend to get very quiet when people start posting awful things like facts and statistics.

To be fair it did last longer than usual before the usual idiots started crying racism instead of even attempting some adult discourse.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnakePlissken wrote: »

What?

What I said.

We all like assumptions based on statistics about religion

SnakePlissken

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

More the 78% of people who listed themselves as catholic on the census form. The 40% only voted es because they worried the everso liberal media would try and portray them as ignorant.

It's taken me a few attempts but.... Are you trying to claim, everyone in Ireland who is not Catholic voted yes on the referendum, including all those Muslims from Clonskeagh who campaigned against it, and that all Catholics in Ireland are in fact, homophobic, but 40% of them voted yes due to... pressure from the media?

Perhaps I'm interpreting your post wrong, I certainly hope I am because good lord that is a stunningly stupid suggestion.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's taken me a few attempts but.... Are you trying to claim, everyone in Ireland who is not Catholic voted yes on the referendum, including all those Muslims from Clonskeagh who campaigned against it, and that all Catholics in Ireland are in fact, homophobic, but 40% of them voted yes due to... pressure from the media?

Perhaps I'm interpreting your post wrong, I certainly hope I am because good lord that is a stunningly stupid suggestion.

It is stunningly stupid - I'm trying to point out that assuming that someone is homophobic because of their religion is stunningly stupid.

I'm not saying you did this, but you did use the phrase "based on estimated views taken from reputable polls". What was being estimated here? And why? - beause if the polls were reputable there should have been no estimation needed.

What exact question was asked and what exactly were the answers?

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's obviously not an issue to you, but as I have no time whatsoever for homophobes, it would be closer to 5200 bad snakes for me.

So you're just ditching the whole rape thing now because you've been made to look the fool.

Sweetemotion

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So you're just ditching the whole rape thing now because you've been made to look the fool.

What is wrong with you?

Captain Obvious

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What is wrong with you?

I don't like bigots, particularly ones who use deception to convince people.

Omackeral

Grayson wrote: »

And don't give me the crap "islam isn't a race"

Translation. I don't want to deal with a simple fact.

It's not a race. You can opt in or out. Deal with it. Besides, what race? Indonesians, Kosovans, Sub-Saharan Africans, South East Asians, African American Nation of Islam members... a vast fcuking array of ethnicities represented heavily in the Muslim world boasting a 1.3 billion people membership. It's not a race thing if Islam is being critiqued.

Sweetemotion

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I don't like bigots, particularly ones who use deception to convince people.

I think you're just a paid musbot. What deception has snake used. Are facts deception now?

SSr0

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What is wrong with you?

Nasty bit of work indeed.

Captain Obvious

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I think you're just a paid musbot. What deception has snake used. Are facts deception now?

He made up stats and misrepresented stats. I've pointed the instances out a few times already.

Sweetemotion

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He made up stats and misrepresented stats. I've pointed the instances out a few times already.

As said in the post above you are a nasty piece of work and I wouldn't believe anything you have pointed out.

Captain Obvious

Sweetemotion wrote: »

As said in the post above you are a nasty piece of work and I wouldn't believe anything you have pointed out.

I won't lose sleep over it.

Sweetemotion

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I won't lose sleep over it.

I'm sure you won't.

WinnyThePoo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I won't lose sleep over it.

Don't worry, we are all sick of these agenda lead posters. Fortunately they are transparent .

The_Kew_Tour

Between the 2 gang rapes and the attack In Cork the last week or so, it still looks like some dangerous ***** are still out there.

Hope bit groups are caught a ASAP before a repeat. Last thing any poor person and family wants

sm3ar

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Between the 2 gang rapes and the attack In Cork the last week or so, it still looks like some dangerous ***** are still out there.

Hope bit groups are caught a ASAP before a repeat. Last thing any poor person and family wants

Where were they from?

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Don't worry, we are all sick of these agenda lead posters. Fortunately they are transparent .

You and your transparencies are also being finally seen. No more will you silence those who are sick of your agenda.

DavidLyons_

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I won't lose sleep over it.

Don't worry, we are all sick of these agenda lead posters. Fortunately they are transparent .

"We"? You'll find you're very much in the minority, thankfully.

WinnyThePoo

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

"We"? You'll find you're very much in the minority, thankfully.

Nope

The_Kew_Tour

sm3ar wrote: »

Where were they from?

I meant the poor Polish Man last week.

Just few ***** out there and need be caught

SnakePlissken

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So you're just ditching the whole rape thing now because you've been made to look the fool.

That you think it's me who has been made look the fool when all my statistical data is there for everyone to see whilst you resorted to petty name calling, tying yourself in knots trying to discredit numerics from the UK census office is so deluded it's sad.

Ask yourself, why is it that the only 3 posters who have thanked your posts are ones with history on this site of petty personal abuse, of asking for sources and links to substantiate opinions that differ from their own, then disappearing into the ether when they get them.

I didn't drop my criticism of Muslim culture and it's despicable views on women, I momentarily shifted focus on the proven homophobia of UK Muslims, as when we're talking about a majority of Muslims polled wanting homosexuality to be criminilised it's much harder for that ideologies defenders to massage data in their favour, which you have proven once more by completely ignoring these many polls and resorting once more to personal abuse. Are you denying the validity of the various polls which indicated the MAJORITY of UK Muslims are in fact homophobic, do you need see any value to be had in further discussion of this topic.

SnakePlissken

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Don't worry, we are all sick of these agenda lead posters. Fortunately they are transparent .

My agenda is the discussion of proven homophobia and the higher propensity in the Muslim community of treating women with ill contempt, that you would sit on the sidelines not once contributing anything of substance to this thread before attempting to discredit me with a petty ad hominem makes yourself look very transparent indeed.

not yet

Genuine question,

How many Asylum seekers should we accept in Ireland

A: No more

B: Another couple of thousand

C: Unlimited.

At what point is enough enough, if C is your answer, do you genuinely think Ireland can cope with an extra 100,000+ asylum seekers.

I believe we should take people in need of our help,but fear we could be swamped in years to come.

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

That you think it's me who has been made look the fool when all my statistical data is there for everyone to see whilst you resorted to petty name calling, tying yourself in knots trying to discredit numerics from the UK census office is so deluded it's sad..

And anyone who looks at your sources and compares it to your claims will see how deceptive, or maybe just incompetent, you have been. And I did respond to your real stats with my own. I even worked the maths of them.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Ask yourself, why is it that the only 3 posters who have thanked your posts are ones with history on this site of petty personal abuse, of asking for sources and links to substantiate opinions that differ from their own, then disappearing into the ether when they get them..

Are you still claiming "Snakey Boy" is personal abuse? I don't wonder why I have only 3 thanks. AH is full of right wing trolls that turn every topic possible into an anti-Muslim circlejerk. Most reasonable people abandon these threads once the rhetoric starts coming out.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I didn't drop my criticism of Muslim culture and it's despicable views on women, I momentarily shifted focus on the proven homophobia of UK Muslims, as when we're talking about a majority of Muslims polled wanting homosexuality to be criminilised it's much harder for that ideologies defenders to massage data in their favour, which you have proven once more by completely ignoring these many polls and resorting once more to personal abuse. Are you denying the validity of the various polls which indicated the MAJORITY of UK Muslims are in fact homophobic, do you need see any value to be had in further discussion of this topic.

You turned a thread about a serious sexual assault into your own rant about Muslims. You had the cheek to criticise me for using humour in such a serious thread but you've barely addressed the subject of the thread, instead using this horrible incident as nothing more than a launch pad for your hate speech and your personal dislike of people of a particular religion.


The sad part is if you simply started a thread about the homophobia inherent in the large religions instead of hijacking a thread about a horrible sexual assault you'd probably have plenty of real discussion and reasonable minded support.

WinnyThePoo

SnakePlissken wrote: »

My agenda is the discussion of proven homophobia and the higher propensity in the Muslim community of treating women with ill contempt, that you would sit on the sidelines not once contributing anything of substance to this thread before attempting to discredit me with a petty ad hominem makes yourself look very transparent indeed.

We've seen through you.

We have no idea who the attackers /scum and you've spent the thread misusing stats and being called out on it.


I find it funny you guys give a **** about gay people. We know you don't you give too ****s about gay people and homophobia.

Transparent.

Timberrrrrrrr

SnakePlissken wrote: »

My agenda is the discussion of proven homophobia and the higher propensity in the Muslim community of treating women with ill contempt, that you would sit on the sidelines not once contributing anything of substance to this thread before attempting to discredit me with a petty ad hominem makes yourself look very transparent indeed.

And what does any of this have to do with the subject matter of the thread? How about you take your sick agenda and start another thread to discuss it and then we can get back to discussing the terrible crime that happened in this thread.

Omackeral

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

We've seen through you.

We have no idea who the attackers /scum and you've spent the thread misusing stats and being called out on it.


I find it funny you guys give a **** about gay people. We know you don't you give too ****s about gay people and homophobia.

Transparent.

Probably not the thread for it seen as we know not much about the attackers, much less their belief system but seriously need to comment on this.

You guys? As in critics of Islam? What the actual fcuk. People who criticise Islam don’t give a sh*t about gays and homophobia?!! What’s that claim based on? Let me get this right. The ones calling out those looking to criminalise homosexuality are the homophobes. Jesus Allah Buddha, some mental gymnastics there Winny.

Odhinn

SnakePlissken wrote: »

That you think it's me who has been made look the fool when all my statistical data is there for everyone to see whilst you resorted to petty name calling, tying yourself in knots trying to discredit numerics from the UK census office is so deluded it's sad.

Ask yourself, why is it that the only 3 posters who have thanked your posts are ones with history on this site of petty personal abuse, of asking for sources and links to substantiate opinions that differ from their own, then disappearing into the ether when they get them.

I didn't drop my criticism of Muslim culture and it's despicable views on women, I momentarily shifted focus on the proven homophobia of UK Muslims, as when we're talking about a majority of Muslims polled wanting homosexuality to be criminilised it's much harder for that ideologies defenders to massage data in their favour, which you have proven once more by completely ignoring these many polls and resorting once more to personal abuse. Are you denying the validity of the various polls which indicated the MAJORITY of UK Muslims are in fact homophobic, do you need see any value to be had in further discussion of this topic.

....none of which relates to the alleged rape in kildare.

WinnyThePoo

Omackeral wrote: »

Probably not the thread for it seen as we know not much about the attackers, much less their belief system but seriously need to comment on this.

You guys? As in critics of Islam? What the actual fcuk. People who criticise Islam don’t give a sh*t about gays and homophobia?!! What’s that claim based on? Let me get this right. The ones calling out those looking to criminalise homosexuality are the homophobes. Jesus Allah Buddha, some mental gymnastics there Winny.

Should have been more clear. The agenda driven posters are transparent. There's nothing wrong with criticism and of religion.

Anyway this thread is about a horrific tragedy.

weldoninhio

Grayson wrote: »

So Christians aren't always Christians? But Muslims are always Muslims? Or they're always abusers.

Listen, when you see 600 out of 2.6 million are rapists and you think that you can extend that to everyone you're
a) Racist
2) Bigot
3) Willfully ignorant
d) All of the above.


And don't give me the crap "islam isn't a race", if you're willing to cast judgement on 2.6 MILLION people because of the actions of 600 you're a racist bigot.

600 rapists in jail. 23,000 jihadi's on the UK terror watch list.

Taytoland

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Ireland just voted for same sex marriage a few years ago, it just voted for abortion reform a few weeks ago. This would not happen in the Muslim world. The vote would never have even happened, just asking for such a referendum in Pakistan or Iran would see you beaten to death or hanged.

This had never happened anywhere else, Ireland was the 1st country to ever hold a vote on it.

This idea that Ireland is remotely close to the Muslim world as far as beliefs on homosexuality is so stupid, so blatantly disingenuous.  I don't know why people who want to defend the Islamic world (even if it is just so they are seen to be PC, or left wing) can't do it honestly and not be disingenuous about it and making up utter bollocks and false equivalences.

No one is making that claim, I'm saying that homophobes come from all races, colours, creeds and are not indicative to one religion.

It just so happens the most oppressive and brutal regimes in the world are Muslim countries. A LOT of them. That again as I said tells it's own story. Most people with two eyes can see that and think any comparisons with the people of Ireland and the Muslim world on views as far as women and homosexuals goes is not remotely comparable.

Odhinn

SnakePlissken wrote: »

My agenda is the discussion of proven homophobia and the higher propensity in the Muslim community of treating women with ill contempt, that you would sit on the sidelines not once contributing anything of substance to this thread before attempting to discredit me with a petty ad hominem makes yourself look very transparent indeed.

...in a thread about an alleged rape in Kildare, in which nobody has as of yet been charged or identified.

SnakePlissken

On the suggestions put forward to me on this thread, I did indeed start a completely separate thread hoping to discuss the facets of Islam I find deeply concerning and worthy of debate... It lasted all of ten minutes before being locked by a moderator, funny isn't it.

But as I already stated, none of us yet know any further details of this attack other than what's in the public domain and so I agree this is not the appropriate place for this stream of discussion... to one moderator at least, neither is After Hours.

wes

SnakePlissken wrote: »

On the suggestions put forward to me on this thread, I did indeed start a completely separate thread hoping to discuss the facets of Islam I find deeply concerning and worthy of debate... It lasted all of ten minutes before being locked by a moderator, funny isn't it.

But as I already stated, none of us yet know any further details of this attack other than what's in the public domain and so I agree this is not the appropriate place for this stream of discussion... to one moderator at least, neither is After Hours.

You immediately posted in one of the other threads about Islam...... Which is why your thread was closed :rolleyes:, you know due to the other thread, going over the same thing over and over again. Claiming some kind of victim complex is kind of silly, considering you post pretty much non-stop about Muslims on here.

Seriously get a hobby, it beyond tiresome you trying to make everything about Muslims, whenever you can shoe horn the topic into every thread you can.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnakePlissken wrote: »

On the suggestions put forward to me on this thread, I did indeed start a completely separate thread hoping to discuss the facets of Islam I find deeply concerning and worthy of debate... It lasted all of ten minutes before being locked by a moderator, funny isn't it.

And yet there's a thread entitled "Is Islam right for Ireland" discussing the facets of Islam that has been going for all of two months without being locked be a moderator, funny isn't it??

But as I already stated, none of us yet know any further details of this attack other than what's in the public domain and so I agree this is not the appropriate place for this stream of discussion... to one moderator at least, neither is After Hours.

So why are we talking about homosexuality?

enricoh

weldoninhio wrote: »

600 rapists in jail. 23,000 jihadi's on the UK terror watch list.

Hey , we don't need any eye opening statistics like that, some fella on here goes for beers with two Muslims so they must be all sound!
Yer probably homophobic too, winny the poo reckons so anyway n that's good enough for me! Now, no one mention the 23000 jihadis again, ta

The_Kew_Tour

Just on relationships to the Rape was there any update on description of the men?

Dont care if Irish or from planet Mars but few dangerous individuals out there still

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I agree this is not the appropriate place for this stream of discussion.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So why are we talking about homosexuality?

I clearly and repeatedly stated this particular thread is not the appropriate place for such discussion, the last few pages have been me responding to childish snipes.

You don't know who attacked this poor girl, I don't know who attacked this poor girl, and until we do I've no intention of posting in this thread any further unless it's to respond to anyone questioning my motives or morals which I completely reserve the right to do.

2 Scoops

Simple question.

Is Europe a better place now safety wise and culturally than it was 10 years ago before the mass immigration of people from 3rd world countries, Muslims or not?

We all know the answer to that question and there's no refuting it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I clearly and repeatedly stated this particular thread is not the appropriate place for such discussion, the last few pages have been me responding to childish snipes.

You don't know who attacked this poor girl, I don't know who attacked this poor girl, and until we do I've no intention of posting in this thread any further unless it's to respond to anyone questioning my motives or morals which I completely reserve the right to do.

Fair point. I have not been reading the last few pages for the very reason you mentioned.

Strazdas

2 Scoops wrote: »

Simple question.

Is Europe a better place now safety wise and culturally than it was 10 years ago before the mass immigration of people from 3rd world countries, Muslims or not?

We all know the answer to that question and there's no refuting it.

Is it any less safe? The ISIS attacks have been well publicised (naturally) but the actual numbers of casualties have been very low for a continent of 500 million people. Also, the majority of attacks have been carried out by homegrown terrorists, not by immigrants.