Gang Rape in Kildare

MFPM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So basically it looks like we have a group of 3 foreign nationals driving around the East / Midlands sexually attacking women and people are saying we don't have a problem with our immigration policy into this country??

Here's a true story for you to digest - I know of a primary school in the midlands where an 8 year old foreign national boy of very high intelligence (no special needs whatsoever) sexually assaulted a young SNA in the school on more than one occasion. What the fcuk will this guy be like when he's an adult?? Another female teacher before this news ever broke requested to the principal that he not be placed in her class as she felt threatened by him. Charming!!

And finally 1 week later he pronounced his 100% support for Osama Bin Laden. Charming. If this is what multicultural Ireland has in store.....

So basically it looks like we have a group of 3 foreign nationals driving around the East / Midlands sexually attacking women

Or 'we' have three men who allegedly attacked two women.

people are saying we don't have a problem with our immigration policy into this country??

Are you suggesting that 'we' have a problem with 'our' immigration policy based on three men allegedly committing two crimes - surely that constitutes an utter over reaction or that you have an underlying anti migrant attitude and your explioting these crimes to further your agenda, which is it?

Here's a true story for you to digest - I know of a primary school in the midlands where an 8 year old foreign national boy of very high intelligence (no special needs whatsoever) sexually assaulted a young SNA in the school on more than one occasion. What the fcuk will this guy be like when he's an adult?? Another female teacher before this news ever broke requested to the principal that he not be placed in her class as she felt threatened by him. Charming!!

I suppose we'll accept it's true because you say it is! I have a true story for you too - a 13 year old Irish lad beat a 14 year old girl to death in Leixlip a month ago - are you generalising against all 13 year old Irish lads?

Ray Donovan

MFPM wrote: »

Or 'we' have three men who allegedly attacked two women.



Are you suggesting that 'we' have a problem with 'our' immigration policy based on three men allegedly committing two crimes - surely that constitutes an utter over reaction or that you have an underlying anti migrant attitude and your explioting these crimes to further your agenda, which is it?



I suppose we'll accept it's true because you say it is! I have a true story for you too - a 13 year old Irish lad beat a 14 year old girl to death in Leixlip a month ago - are you generalising against all 13 year old Irish lads?

The story is true as I said it was. Simple really. If it was't true I wouldn't have posted it.

I don't think not wanting people coming to live in our country who will commit sexual crimes towards women who living here constitutes an anti-immigrant policy. Maybe I'm in the minority but I think the safety of people should be put before any "let's not offend anyone" policy.

Galwayguy35

If it is true that it was foreigners that are the ones that did it they should be deported when their prison sentences are finished.

It's a weak argument saying Irish people do the same thing, nobody ever suggested otherwise.

Oncewaseager

AnneFrank wrote: »

Yes i'm not arguing with that, but a much higher % are black foreign nationals,
no woman i know will get into a taxi with a black driver by herself,
Un pc to say, but it's the reality

I'm a woman and I would...
I've been sexually assaulted twice, both by white males that were supposed friends.

Happy4all

MFPM wrote: »

Or 'we' have three men who allegedly attacked two women.



Are you suggesting that 'we' have a problem with 'our' immigration policy based on three men allegedly committing two crimes - surely that constitutes an utter over reaction or that you have an underlying anti migrant attitude and your explioting these crimes to further your agenda, which is it?



I suppose we'll accept it's true because you say it is! I have a true story for you too - a 13 year old Irish lad beat a 14 year old girl to death in Leixlip a month ago - are you generalising against all 13 year old Irish lads?

Not sure mods will be happy with that. No trial has taken place

MFPM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

The story is true as I said it was. Simple really. If it was't true I wouldn't have posted it.

I don't think not wanting people coming to live in our country who will commit sexual crimes towards women who living here constitutes an anti-immigrant policy. Maybe I'm in the minority but I think the safety of people should be put before any "let's not offend anyone" policy.

The story is true as I said it was. Simple really. If it was't true I wouldn't have posted it.

Indeed but without evidence we have to take your word for it so as such it's hearsay at the moment.

I don't think not wanting people coming to live in our country who will commit sexual crimes towards women who living here constitutes an anti-immigrant policy.

How do you suggest that is managed?

It is interesting you ignored most of the points I made that illustrated your double standard approach?

So again - you are generalising about two alleged crimes by three men - how come you are not generalising about the Irish lad?

Maybe I'm in the minority but I think the safety of people should be put before any "let's not offend anyone" policy.

And you do it agian here - why are you linking the 'safety' of people to migration based on the TWO ALLEGED crimes of three men, it's absurd?

MFPM

Happy4all wrote: »

Not sure mods will be happy with that. No trial has taken place

They can change it so but given the sh!t they're allowing to pass here it would be laughable if they did.

MFPM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If it is true that it was foreigners that are the ones that did it they should be deported when their prison sentences are finished.

It's a weak argument saying Irish people do the same thing, nobody ever suggested otherwise.

But the alleged crimes of 'foreigners' get so much more comment, one wonders why?

Strazdas

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If it is true that it was foreigners that are the ones that did it they should be deported when their prison sentences are finished.

It's a weak argument saying Irish people do the same thing, nobody ever suggested otherwise.

The discussion is a complete red herring. The vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults in Ireland are carried out by Irish people.

There's no evidence to suggest that assaults carried out by immigrants are out of proportion to their population size.

The real discussion should be about why it is happening, not this nonsense about the nationality or religion of the assailants.

iebamm2580

Im not sure of the stats but when it comes to gang rapes i would imagine the proportion of foreign nationals committing this sort of crime compared to Irish is significantly higher.

Galwayguy35

MFPM wrote: »

But the alleged crimes of 'foreigners' get so much more comment, one wonders why?

Strazdas wrote: »

The discussion is a complete red herring. The vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults in Ireland are carried out by Irish people.

There's no evidence to suggest that assaults carried out by immigrants are out of proportion to their population size.

The real discussion should be about why it is happening, not this nonsense about the nationality or religion of the assailants.

Actually IMO the nationality should be known.

If people come to our country to be productive members of society then
they are more than welcome, however if they commit crimes like the one being discussed they need to be kicked out.

Unfortunately we can't get rid of Irish rapists but any way there will be a few less in the country is a good thing.

2 Scoops

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence to suggest that assaults carried out by immigrants are out of proportion to their population size.

Have you been completely ignoring what's occurring in Europe over the past 5 years?

And there is direct evidence to suggest certain types of assaults are out of proportion to their population size with the grooming gangs in the UK.

Your argument, and others, appears to come across that because sexual assaults committed by foreigners are in tandem with those crimes committed by the "homegrown" population then it's OK and not something to be concerned about. That's an idiotic argument and akin to saying well let's get another dog who bites because the ones we have do it already.

The real debate or question is WHY are those people allowed to come here in the first place.

backspin.

MFPM wrote: »

And you do it agian here - why are you linking the 'safety' of people to migration based on the TWO ALLEGED crimes of three men, it's absurd?

If you want a clue as to what we will be facing in this country in the coming years look to the experiences of Sweden, Germany, France, England etc. Why do you think we will be any different?

Jaden

Ray Donovan wrote: »

If it was't true I wouldn't have posted it.

You must be new here.

Atoms for Peace

MFPM wrote: »

Are 'they' indeed - a homogeneous bunch are 'they'?

Sorry, African-American Pakistanis.

youtube!

Look here is a fact, rapists by their very nature are almost always lone individuals who are outcasts from society, they operate on the fringes and yes they are every single nationality on the planet, However when we have GROUPS of men harassing and in some cases raping our women then its clear to see that we have a huge problem of unhindered immigration from certain parts of the globe where there is a "rape culture" There was the football player from Africa AND HIS AFRICAN ACCOMPLICES , now we have the poor young lady from Kildare who has been raped by A GROUP OF FOREIGN NATIONALS, and possibly another attack in Carlow which could be the same group or even a different group but still they come from a background where women do not count for ****.., Wake up there is so much whataboutery on this thread making stupidly pedantic comparisons when the real problem is RAPE GANGS That is not an Irish problem that is a (usually) an Islamic problem as per Britain /Sweden/ Germany and every other country that hosts these disgusting animals. Rape is rape yes but gang rape is hugely skewed towards Islamic and African type of cultures and this could be the tip of the iceberg.

italodisco

Willing to bet a substantial figure that the 3 lads were Brazilian.

Dublin is certainly overrun with them at the Mo, absolutely no benefit to our economy, they come in as students with letters from English language schools they'll never actually attend and end up cycling rickshaws.

Oh, and there's been a few of them done for rape here already...

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Strazdas

2 Scoops wrote: »

Have you been completely ignoring what's occurring in Europe over the past 5 years?

And there is direct evidence to suggest certain types of assaults are out of proportion to their population size with the grooming gangs in the UK.

Your argument, and others, appears to come across that because sexual assaults committed by foreigners are in tandem with those crimes committed by the "homegrown" population then it's OK and not something to be concerned about. That's an idiotic argument and akin to saying well let's get another dog who bites because the ones we have do it already.

The real debate or question is WHY are those people allowed to come here in the first place.

The "grooming gangs" are frequently people born in the UK from ethnic minorities, not immigrants. How would anyone propose dealing with this, bar jailing them when caught.....deporting British born citizens to a country they've never lived in?

SnakePlissken

MFPM wrote: »

But the alleged crimes of 'foreigners' get so much more comment, one wonders why?

Because though we can't throw Irish born scumbags off the Island, we can certainly close the door on importing men from cultures who demonstrably have vile attitudes toward women and the LGTB community... what is it about this sentiment you can't grasp or are you purposefully being obtuse.

Wheeliebin30

https://theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/

Meet professional football Ismaheel Akinade of WATERFORD FC

This is an exposure of a convicted offender who was involved/watched gang rape of a schoolgirl who not only walked free from court, but managed to silence five national newspapers with the help of high flying barristers.

The Irish Independent, Irish Examiner, Breaking news Eire, Sunday World and Nationalist and Leinster times all had court injunctions taken out on them to hide his conviction.

Ironically, the judge Justice Bernard Barton presided over all of the cases

Akinade was due to be deported after his conviction, but was granted asylum by Justice Barton because he was a ‘hot prosepect for the future for Irish football’

SnakePlissken

italodisco wrote: »

Anyone care to make a wager

A women was raped, this isn't a ****ing game.

SnakePlissken

Strazdas wrote: »

The "grooming gangs" are frequently people born in the UK from ethnic minorities, not immigrants. How would anyone propose dealing with this, bar jailing them when caught.....deporting British born citizens to a country they've never lived in?

And here is what those who believe in open borders cannot seem to grasp.

Allow men with backward ideologies into the country now, we'll be forever stuck with the Irish born children they teach these same despicable beliefs too.

It's too late for the UK, but we don't have to repeat their mistakes.

Edgarfrndly

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

https://theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/

Meet professional football Ismaheel Akinade of WATERFORD FC

This is an exposure of a convicted offender who was involved/watched gang rape of a schoolgirl who not only walked free from court, but managed to silence five national newspapers with the help of high flying barristers.

The Irish Independent, Irish Examiner, Breaking news Eire, Sunday World and Nationalist and Leinster times all had court injunctions taken out on them to hide his conviction.

Ironically, the judge Justice Bernard Barton presided over all of the cases

Akinade was due to be deported after his conviction, but was granted asylum by Justice Barton because he was a ‘hot prosepect for the future for Irish football’

I'm from Waterford and I brought this up with a friend who's a Waterford supporter. He said the news report was wrong, and he wasn't convicted of what was listed and that it was an error in reporting. He said that is why the news report was removed. He seemed fairly certain it was the case. I wasn't buying it, but he shouldn't be playing for Waterford.

Wheeliebin30

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

I'm from Waterford and I brought this up with a friend who's a Waterford supporter. He said the news report was wrong, and he wasn't convicted of what was listed. He seemed fairly certain it was the case. I wasn't buying it, but he shouldn't be playing for Waterford.

It’s true and he played for bohs when it happened.

More evidence??

https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/standing-ovation-at-bohemian-fc-for-nigerian-ismahil-akinade-who-sexually-abused-teenage-girl.13264/

Edgarfrndly

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s true and he played for bohs when it happened.

More evidence??

https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/standing-ovation-at-bohemian-fc-for-nigerian-ismahil-akinade-who-sexually-abused-teenage-girl.13264/

I dunno what's true and what isn't. I saw the report that was archived on archive.org like everybody else. He said the other guys were involved in the rape, but he wasn't. He said he was dating the girl and that the one reporter who was present in the court had misreported the outcome, and the other media sources based their articles on this one person's report.

Like I said, I don't buy it. It sounds suspect as hell. The only thing that is curious is why the reports were removed. Was it because he was a minor and named? Or was it because the reports were indeed inaccurate?

I honestly don't know.

italodisco

SnakePlissken wrote: »

A women was raped, this isn't a ****ing game.

VI VI VI VI virtue signals ahoy

Skylinehead

italodisco wrote: »

VI VI VI VI virtue signals ahoy

Mod: Don't post in this thread again.

Edit: Actually take a few days off, then don't post in this thread again.

Captain Obvious

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Im not sure of the stats but when it comes to gang rapes i would imagine the proportion of foreign nationals committing this sort of crime compared to Irish is significantly higher.

Yes I would suspect your imagination contains a lot of "facts" like that.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

https://theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/

Meet professional football Ismaheel Akinade of WATERFORD FC

This is an exposure of a convicted offender who was involved/watched gang rape of a schoolgirl who not only walked free from court, but managed to silence five national newspapers with the help of high flying barristers.

The Irish Independent, Irish Examiner, Breaking news Eire, Sunday World and Nationalist and Leinster times all had court injunctions taken out on them to hide his conviction.

Ironically, the judge Justice Bernard Barton presided over all of the cases

Akinade was due to be deported after his conviction, but was granted asylum by Justice Barton because he was a ‘hot prosepect for the future for Irish football’

That link is full of nonsense. He was 16 at the time of that incident and the girl was 14. That's why his information was not released, he was a minor. None of them were convicted of rape, it was defilement, commonly known as statutory rape. And since when does the judge in a criminal trial have the ability to grant a defendant asylum? What kind of manure reporting is that?

riffmongous

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s true and he played for bohs when it happened.

More evidence??

https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/standing-ovation-at-bohemian-fc-for-nigerian-ismahil-akinade-who-sexually-abused-teenage-girl.13264/

Is that website the Irish Stormfront??

Captain Obvious

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s true and he played for bohs when it happened.

More evidence??

https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/standing-ovation-at-bohemian-fc-for-nigerian-ismahil-akinade-who-sexually-abused-teenage-girl.13264/

Your own link would appear to say otherwise?

Akinade was then a Bray Wanderers footballer before signing with Bohemians midway through the 2015 where he was nominated for Young Player Of The Year.

Anyway, why is this guys case from 8 years ago being brought up in this thread? It's nothing like the case reported in Clane. It has more of a resemblance to the rape in Ronanstown last year.

A young woman who was attacked by three men and raped by at least one was threatened at knifepoint.

A manhunt has been launched for three men believed to be involved in the rape.

Cupcake_Crisis

On one hand I think it’s good that this case is being spoken about as much as it is. On the other hand, I’m not sure it’s coming from the right place. It seems to be coming from (from what I’m reading) a ‘anything to get the immigrants out’ place, rather than a place of genuine concern for the safety of Irish women.

For example- this case has been fairly high profile, but the case below hasn’t received nearly as much publicity. One case involves foreign nationals, the other a limerick man, only one is really being spoke about.

http://www.thejournal.ie/retrial-ordered-rape-case-4065246-Jun2018/

wexie

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

On one hand I think it’s good that this case is being spoken about as much as it is. On the other hand, I’m not sure it’s coming from the right place.

It's not

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

It seems to be coming from (from what I’m reading) a ‘anything to get the immigrants out’ place, rather than a place of genuine concern for the safety of Irish women.

spot on

youtube!

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yes I would suspect your imagination contains a lot of "facts" like that.




How the hell can you deny it? I don't know of a single "gang rape case from Irish rapists in collusion with each other, however there are literally hundreds of Islamic and other rape culture incidents across Europe for years now. You'll deny it till it happens to one of your own, then you'll wake up ..a bit too late.

Omackeral

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Anyway, why is this guys case from 8 years ago being brought up in this thread? It's nothing like the case reported in Clane.

Is it not? Sexual assault in Kildare where 3 males are involved and they're foreign nationals. No nothing alike.

Another reason it's brought up is because he still plays football at the highest level in this country week in and week out and makes a living from it. Children attend the games.

Then there's this. Not sure of the context but poor either way.

taylor3

Just reading this thread. I wholeheartedly agree with the content of 'youtubes' post. I as a woman believe it's the idea that the attackers are acting as a group or gang that is truly scary. That would be a new thing. I remember growing up in the 80's and 90's and when news would break of a woman being attacked, mugged, raped etc; it was always a lone male, and yes he would be white Irish too, as we really didn't have many non national back then.
So when I hear of 3 men attacking/raping a woman I'm sorry but I will always wonder who the perpetrators are and from what background.

mynamejeff

Omackeral wrote: »

Is it not? Sexual assault in Kildare where 3 males are involved and they're foreign nationals. No nothing alike.

Another reason it's brought up is because he still plays football at the highest level in this country week in and week out and makes a living from it. Children attend the games.

Then there's this. Not sure of the context but poor either way.

how the f is this guy allowed to play for a professional club ?

he should be removed regardless of the context or timing

he is a convicted sex offender appears to think its funny ,
POS

Wheeliebin30

I see a fg councilor is under criticism for speaking out against this.


SF and the left are very quite, I wonder why??

2forjoy

Seems to be politics and everything nowadays

backspin.

mynamejeff wrote: »

how the f is this guy allowed to play for a professional club ?

he should be removed regardless of the context or timing

he is a convicted sex offender appears to think its funny ,
POS

When you compare it to the whats-app messages from the rugby players and the outrage that ensued from that. This guy really is blessed not to be a white guy. Otherwise the online mobs and the media would be after him.

fxotoole

Omackeral wrote: »

Ban taxis.

Execute all taxi drivers. It’s the only viable solution.

mynamejeff

backspin. wrote: »

When you compare it to the whats-app messages from the rugby players and the outrage that ensued from that. This guy really is blessed not to be a white guy. Otherwise the online mobs and the media would be after him.

wonder how his victim feels about it

youtube!

youtube! wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yes I would suspect your imagination contains a lot of "facts" like that.




How the hell can you deny it? I don't know of a single "gang rape case from Irish rapists in collusion with each other, however there are literally hundreds of Islamic and other rape culture incidents across Europe for years now. You'll deny it till it happens to one of your own, then you'll wake up ..a bit too late.

There was an extremely vicious gang rape in Clare some years ago. Rapists working together in a gang.

mynamejeff

bubblypop wrote: »

youtube! wrote: »

There was an extremely vicious gang rape in Clare some years ago. Rapists working together in a gang.

that was a once off incident of a group of scumbags targeting a couple because thy though mistakenly that the man was a garda


may they all die roaring

Ulysses Gaze

Omackeral wrote: »

Is it not? Sexual assault in Kildare where 3 males are involved and they're foreign nationals. No nothing alike.

Another reason it's brought up is because he still plays football at the highest level in this country week in and week out and makes a living from it. Children attend the games.

Then there's this. Not sure of the context but poor either way.

And Bohs, that great community oriented club, had this guy on their books up until 2017....

FFS

Omackeral

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And Bohs, that great community oriented club, had this guy on their books up until 2017....

FFS

They did. And it caused a rift among plenty of fans.

riffmongous

youtube! wrote: »

How the hell can you deny it? I don't know of a single "gang rape case from Irish rapists in collusion with each other, however there are literally hundreds of Islamic and other rape culture incidents across Europe for years now. You'll deny it till it happens to one of your own, then you'll wake up ..a bit too late.

The Church, industrial schools, House of Horrors... they were called rings rather than gangs though

neonsofa

Omackeral wrote: »

They did. And it caused a rift among plenty of fans.

I know of two (previous) fans who stopped supporting the club at the time and haven't gone back.

OneEightSeven

neonsofa wrote: »

I know of two (previous) fans who stopped supporting the club at the time and haven't gone back.

Used to support them myself up until 2015/2016 when I noticed the anarchist symbols and refugees welcome mural on the walls of their stadium.

erica74

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

On one hand I think it’s good that this case is being spoken about as much as it is. On the other hand, I’m not sure it’s coming from the right place. It seems to be coming from (from what I’m reading) a ‘anything to get the immigrants out’ place, rather than a place of genuine concern for the safety of Irish women.

For example- this case has been fairly high profile, but the case below hasn’t received nearly as much publicity. One case involves foreign nationals, the other a limerick man, only one is really being spoke about.

http://www.thejournal.ie/retrial-ordered-rape-case-4065246-Jun2018/

Hanley has previous convictions for violent crimes, including possession of a knife in 2000 and threats to kill in 2007 and 2008. He was convicted of intimidating a witness in his own 2008 case.

During the sentencing hearing Hanley, who had dismissed his legal team after his conviction, repeatedly shouted at the judge that he was not a rapist and called the victim a liar.

The judge who made the error is an absolute idiot, putting what semblance of justice the victim may get at risk.

Beechwoodspark

When and if they are apprehended Cut the bollix off each and every one of this rape gang