Do other countries give people money and houses like we do?

Wibbs

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm not 100% but I believe the first 'real/formal' roll out was under Bismarck in Germany, a guy who history doesn't give enough attention in a number of areas (probably due to being overshadowed by the lad a few decades later). Which is pretty ironic considering Bismarck was quite right-wing and actually introduced these to try and kill off socialism, which he had already been putting laws in place against.

The chap was some serious pragmatist, either way.

Funny enough the "lad a few decades later" also instigated a widespread social welfare drive, likely for the same reasons and to boast and advertise national socialism's advantages internally and externally. The Nazis introduced rent allowance, free creches, youth programmes, public housing, pensions, disability allowances, free or heavily subsidised medical care, retraining schemes, aid for the homeless and a shedload of public health schemes(they were the first to regulate tobacco and issue warnings against it). Pretty cool. If you were considered pure German. If you were Jewish or one of the others on the subhuman list... The Nazis had closed down and banned all private charities, so they could better direct any aid for their own benefit as the "correct politic" and a way to control who got what.

James Brown

Billy86 wrote: »

I believe the word you are looking for is actually projection. The homeless issue has been a major talking point for the right in Ireland as to why we shouldn't allow any foreigners in.

Though by 'the left' he may mean PBP/AAA who can be very economical with the truth when it suits... not sure if they get a platform for a 'daily media onslaught' mind you but I don't watch TV news or read newspapers much these days wouldn't know either way.

To be fair the same can be said about Fine Gael, specifically with Murphy recently fudging his housing build numbers.

Zebra3

Taytoland wrote: »

The left complain about a housing problem and yet want open borders and anyone can come in, just fly right in, take a seat lads, everything is free and you will get free housing. Idiots.

No, you are confusing the “left” with colonial settlers and their racist ethnic cleansing.

JohnMc1

The Welfare state only works when the population is kept at a stable level. This is why the Left's Open Borders pipe dream is always doomed to failure. They can't have it both ways.

somefeen

Boards needs a separate forum for these threads.
The Miserable, Middle-Class Rants Forum has a nice ring to it.

irishrebe

Your Face wrote: »

Social welfare is not the problem.
It's the abuse of it.
Like another poster stated, if you re a working person on a low to middle wage, its easy to get the feeling of being made a mug.

This is absolutely how I felt when I still lived in Dublin. Scraping together money to go to the doctor, and often not going when I needed to, while neighbours who hadn't worked in years were going once a week for every last little stupid thing. Buying clothes in charity shops, if at all, while neighbours were coming home with shopping bags every weekend. Getting up at 5am to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain for the bus to get to work while they were getting up at 10-11 to go out to the shop in their pyjamas. It drove me half mental. I was working so hard and my life wasn't a bit better than people who weren't working at all. I was paying taxes to support people who weren't fcked working. Now I know a lot of people can't work, and that's why social welfare is there, but plenty of people are just taking the absolute p1ss. I felt like there was no reward for working hard in Ireland.

oneilla

irishrebe wrote: »

This is absolutely how I felt when I still lived in Dublin. Scraping together money to go to the doctor, and often not going when I needed to, while neighbours who hadn't worked in years were going once a week for every last little stupid thing. Buying clothes in charity shops, if at all, while neighbours were coming home with shopping bags every weekend. Getting up at 5am to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain for the bus to get to work while they were getting up at 10-11 to go out to the shop in their pyjamas. It drove me half mental. I was working so hard and my life wasn't a bit better than people who weren't working at all. I was paying taxes to support people who weren't fcked working. Now I know a lot of people can't work, and that's why social welfare is there, but plenty of people are just taking the absolute p1ss. I felt like there was no reward for working hard in Ireland.

If you were in work then how did you see the neighbours going to the shops at 10? Hmm...

oneilla

somefeen wrote: »

Boards needs a separate forum for these threads.
The Miserable, Middle-Class Rants Forum has a nice ring to it.

There's a Ranting forum afaik. Or maybe they could just setup 1 welfare bashing thread rather than a new one every other day

somefeen

irishrebe wrote: »

This is absolutely how I felt when I still lived in Dublin. Scraping together money to go to the doctor, and often not going when I needed to, while neighbours who hadn't worked in years were going once a week for every last little stupid thing. Buying clothes in charity shops, if at all, while neighbours were coming home with shopping bags every weekend. Getting up at 5am to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain for the bus to get to work while they were getting up at 10-11 to go out to the shop in their pyjamas. It drove me half mental. I was working so hard and my life wasn't a bit better than people who weren't working at all. I was paying taxes to support people who weren't fcked working. Now I know a lot of people can't work, and that's why social welfare is there, but plenty of people are just taking the absolute p1ss. I felt like there was no reward for working hard in Ireland.

You are always better off working.
The people you envied are at the mercy of the dole. They have no control over their own destiny. A working person can use their experience to find a better job, get promoted or start a business. A person with a job has real opportunities in life and real control over where their life takes them.

Also people on the dole coming home with shopping bags every weekend? Guarantee they can't manage money, its a boom bust cycle for people like that.
Don't be jealous, no matter how cushy it looks from afar, its a life you don't want.

SEPT 23 1989

I don't remember people putting the boot into the poor during the last boom too busy enjoying ourselves

Wheeliebin30

irishrebe wrote: »

This is absolutely how I felt when I still lived in Dublin. Scraping together money to go to the doctor, and often not going when I needed to, while neighbours who hadn't worked in years were going once a week for every last little stupid thing. Buying clothes in charity shops, if at all, while neighbours were coming home with shopping bags every weekend. Getting up at 5am to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain for the bus to get to work while they were getting up at 10-11 to go out to the shop in their pyjamas. It drove me half mental. I was working so hard and my life wasn't a bit better than people who weren't working at all. I was paying taxes to support people who weren't fcked working. Now I know a lot of people can't work, and that's why social welfare is there, but plenty of people are just taking the absolute p1ss. I felt like there was no reward for working hard in Ireland.

According to our left Sinn Fein aaa supporters here me and you are imagining this, we are neo liberal pro landlord rabble rabble....

They say it doesn’t happen, but isn’t it strange how many people here can tell stories of abuse????

We must be all lying.

RustyNut

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

According to our left Sinn Fein aaa supporters here me and you are imagining this, we are neo liberal pro landlord rabble rabble....

They say it doesn’t happen, but isn’t it strange how many people here can tell stories of abuse????

We must be all lying.

I tell the kids stories about unicorns doesn't mean they are true.

irishrebe

oneilla wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

This is absolutely how I felt when I still lived in Dublin. Scraping together money to go to the doctor, and often not going when I needed to, while neighbours who hadn't worked in years were going once a week for every last little stupid thing. Buying clothes in charity shops, if at all, while neighbours were coming home with shopping bags every weekend. Getting up at 5am to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain for the bus to get to work while they were getting up at 10-11 to go out to the shop in their pyjamas. It drove me half mental. I was working so hard and my life wasn't a bit better than people who weren't working at all. I was paying taxes to support people who weren't fcked working. Now I know a lot of people can't work, and that's why social welfare is there, but plenty of people are just taking the absolute p1ss. I felt like there was no reward for working hard in Ireland.

If you were in work then how did you see the neighbours going to the shops at 10? Hmm...

I know some smart ass was going to ask this. I worked weekends so got a day off during the week, a different day every week, and on every day off I saw them doing it. Any other questions?

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

I know some smart ass was going to ask this. I worked weekends so got a day off during the week, a different day every week, and on every day off I saw them doing it. Any other questions?

Were they better off than you?

oneilla

irishrebe wrote: »

I know some smart ass was going to ask this. I worked weekends so got a day off during the week, a different day every week, and on every day off I saw them doing it. Any other questions?

Was it always raining? I mean, that's just bad luck.

irishrebe

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I know some smart ass was going to ask this. I worked weekends so got a day off during the week, a different day every week, and on every day off I saw them doing it. Any other questions?

Were they better off than you?

Depends what way you look at it. At the time, I'd say yes, they were. They had a better lifestyle than I did even though I was working all hours in a horrible, stressful, low-paid job. They didn't need to worry about not having enough money to see the doctor. They didn't have to get up at an insanely early time and spend an hour and a half getting into work using several different buses. Etc etc. I'd say in the long term, I'm better off, but only because I have a Master's now and marketable skills like foreign languages. Those people I worked with in the call centre, who stayed years after I left? I wouldn't say they were much better off. They had to pay for all the stuff the dole-lifers got for free, and had very little disposable income left. They had to sacrifice things like seeing their kids, hobbies and even getting enough sleep for very little reward. It's galling when you're working so hard for so many hours and you see people all around you who have a better lifestyle (in terms of housing and disposable income) for doing fck all. It's very easy to wonder 'what's the point?'

irishrebe

oneilla wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I know some smart ass was going to ask this. I worked weekends so got a day off during the week, a different day every week, and on every day off I saw them doing it. Any other questions?

Was it always raining? I mean, that's just bad luck.

It's Ireland. What do you think?

Taytoland

Zebra3 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

The left complain about a housing problem and yet want open borders and anyone can come in, just fly right in, take a seat lads, everything is free and you will get free housing. Idiots.

No, you are confusing the “left” with colonial settlers and their racist ethnic cleansing.

Yes, the lefts ideal state.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

Depends what way you look at it. At the time, I'd say yes, they were. They had a better lifestyle than I did even though I was working all hours in a horrible, stressful, low-paid job. They didn't need to worry about not having enough money to see the doctor. They didn't have to get up at an insanely early time and spend an hour and a half getting into work using several different buses. Etc etc. I'd say in the long term, I'm better off, but only because I have a Master's now and marketable skills like foreign languages. Those people I worked with in the call centre, who stayed years after I left? I wouldn't say they were much better off. They had to pay for all the stuff the dole-lifers got for free, and had very little disposable income left. They had to sacrifice things like seeing their kids, hobbies and even getting enough sleep for very little reward. It's galling when you're working so hard for so many hours and you see people all around you who have a better lifestyle (in terms of housing and disposable income) for doing fck all. It's very easy to wonder 'what's the point?'

You don't have to be unemployed to get a medical card. So your lack of entitlement to one says you were better off than them. Simple that one. You seem to know a lot about their medical circumstances!

Zebra3

Taytoland wrote: »

Yes, the lefts ideal state.

Hardly. The ideal state of fascists.

The dream of the likes of the Orange Order.

irishrebe

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Depends what way you look at it. At the time, I'd say yes, they were. They had a better lifestyle than I did even though I was working all hours in a horrible, stressful, low-paid job. They didn't need to worry about not having enough money to see the doctor. They didn't have to get up at an insanely early time and spend an hour and a half getting into work using several different buses. Etc etc. I'd say in the long term, I'm better off, but only because I have a Master's now and marketable skills like foreign languages. Those people I worked with in the call centre, who stayed years after I left? I wouldn't say they were much better off. They had to pay for all the stuff the dole-lifers got for free, and had very little disposable income left. They had to sacrifice things like seeing their kids, hobbies and even getting enough sleep for very little reward. It's galling when you're working so hard for so many hours and you see people all around you who have a better lifestyle (in terms of housing and disposable income) for doing fck all. It's very easy to wonder 'what's the point?'

You don't have to be unemployed to get a medical card. So your lack of entitlement to one says you were better off than them. Simple that one. You seem to know a lot about their medical circumstances!

I know I wasn't entitled to one, despite being broke as fck and earning crappy wages. Your argument is stupid. You don't have to be unemployed to get one, but you DO get one if you're unemployed. So how are you defining 'better off' here? In terms of actual income, obviously. In terms of lifestyle, I don't think so. Sure, I had more money coming in, but out of that money I had to pay market rate rent, bills, medical costs, etc. so all in all, my disposable income was probably less than theirs. I also had very little free time because of my working hours and commute and ended up spending my little time off doing chores and cleaning. So please tell me again how I was so much better off? Do you think I had over 750 euros a month to spare once rent, commuting costs, etc. were paid?

oceanman

irishrebe wrote: »

I know I wasn't entitled to one, despite being broke as fck and earning crappy wages. Your argument is stupid. You don't have to be unemployed to get one, but you DO get one if you're unemployed. So how are you defining 'better off' here? In terms of actual income, obviously. In terms of lifestyle, I don't think so. Sure, I had more money coming in, but out of that money I had to pay market rate rent, bills, medical costs, etc. so all in all, my disposable income was probably less than theirs. I also had very little free time because of my working hours and commute and ended up spending my little time off doing chores and cleaning. So please tell me again how I was so much better off? Do you think I had over 750 euros a month to spare once rent, commuting costs, etc. were paid?

why didn't you go on the dole yourself?.....I mean if it looked so good ect..

JustAThought

oceanman wrote: »

why didn't you go on the dole yourself?.....I mean if it looked so good ect..

Maybe because he had a work ethic,wanted to make something of himself and wasn't satisfied beeing a leech on society and a financial parasite.

irishrebe

JustAThought wrote: »

oceanman wrote: »

why didn't you go on the dole yourself?.....I mean if it looked so good ect..

Maybe because he had a work ethic,wanted to make something of himself and wasn't satisfied beeing a leech on society and a financial parasite.

Yep, pretty much this.

Graces7

siblers wrote: »

You can be full time on minimum wage and you'll be entitled to sweet **** all.

Because you are not in need. Well done! If that changes, the help will be there for you same as for everyone else,

I don;t "get" this mentality . Is it begrudgery?

"Keep your eye on your own page" is a wise way to live.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't have to be unemployed to get a medical card. So your lack of entitlement to one says you were better off than them. Simple that one. You seem to know a lot about their medical circumstances!

And a medical card is not some "get out of jail" card idea. Believe me!. Public health system is ***********. .

Graces7

JustAThought wrote: »

Maybe because he had a work ethic,wanted to make something of himself and wasn't satisfied beeing a leech on society and a financial parasite.

Dreadful way to speak of people you do not know.. :eek:

irishrebe

Graces7 wrote: »

siblers wrote: »

You can be full time on minimum wage and you'll be entitled to sweet **** all.

Because you are not in need. Well done! If that changes, the help will be there for you same as for everyone else,

I don;t "get" this mentality . Is it begrudgery?

"Keep your eye on your own page" is a wise way to live.

Do you live in some sort of middle class bubble? People working full time on minimum wage are often very much in need. Or don't you think people having to choose between taking their kid to the doctor and eating dinner is being in need? It's very common for people to be better off on the dole than they would be working. Try earning minimum wage while paying market rate rent, bills, medical costs, transport to work, etc. and tell me you wouldn't be better off on the dole.

irishrebe

Graces7 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't have to be unemployed to get a medical card. So your lack of entitlement to one says you were better off than them. Simple that one. You seem to know a lot about their medical circumstances!

And  a medical card is not some "get out of jail" card idea. Believe me!.  Public health system is ***********. .

Right, except that low earners still need to pay to see a GP. Would you rather pay 60 euro for a crap service or get it for free?

corner of hells

irishrebe wrote: »

Do you live in some sort of middle class bubble? People working full time on minimum wage are often very much in need. Or don't you think people having to choose between taking their kid to the doctor and eating dinner is being in need? It's very common for people to be better off on the dole than they would be working. Try earning minimum wage while paying market rate rent, bills, medical costs, transport to work, etc. and tell me you wouldn't be better off on the dole.

It's possible to claim family income support , children's allowance , HAP , claim tax relief on medical bills etc.

irishrebe

corner of hells wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Do you live in some sort of middle class bubble? People working full time on minimum wage are often very much in need. Or don't you think people having to choose between taking their kid to the doctor and eating dinner is being in need? It's very common for people to be better off on the dole than they would be working. Try earning minimum wage while paying market rate rent, bills, medical costs, transport to work, etc. and tell me you wouldn't be better off on the dole.

It's possible to claim family income support , children's allowance , HAP , claim tax relief on medical bills etc.

Right and if you don't have any kids? Good luck with that. When I was working for min wage, I couldn't afford my own medical bills and nobody gave a flying fck.

corner of hells

irishrebe wrote: »

Right and if you don't have any kids? Good luck with that. When I was working for min wage, I couldn't afford my own medical bills and nobody gave a flying fck.

With the exception of childrens allowance and OAP pensions nearly every DSP benefit is means tested so I'm assuming you did apply for medical card and were assessed .
We're all in the same boat , you're not being done out of anything.

irishrebe

corner of hells wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Right and if you don't have any kids? Good luck with that. When I was working for min wage, I couldn't afford my own medical bills and nobody gave a flying fck.

With the exception of childrens allowance and OAP pensions nearly every DSP benefit is means tested so I'm assuming you did apply for medical card and were assessed .
We're all in the same boat , you're not being done out of anything.

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

James Brown

Can someone explain this;

We have tax money loaned to private builders, by NAMA, at rates more favourable to them than any bank is willing to offer. They use this money to build private homes and sell them to the state at the going market rate, as Murphy's pretend, 'Social housing'. They also keep prices so high that we have people working who need state aid/welfare to afford rent or buy these places.

Now how is all this related to the low rates of unemployed, who I assume are vetted and means tested, before they get a shilling? And why are people looking to this even smaller minority of welfare Ninjas who can duck and dive the system and just not work while receiving welfare or parties on 'de left' who've never been in government to set any policies we currently have? Do you know about Fine Gael and Fianna Fail?

If you are working and can't make ends meet, get up off your lazy arse and get a better job. I dunno, some people want everything for nothing...oh, wait that not very fair is it?
Maybe we shouldn't be looking at those worse off as the problem. I'm sure the likes of Dinny looks down on the average working tax payer like he/she is a loser too lazy to be as rich as him.

corner of hells

irishrebe wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

I don't know , your first post gave very little context, I replied to that one .I'd hardly be expected to know your personal circumstances.

Then you seemed to have some sort of convulsion or fit.
Maybe have a little lie down and try relax.

irishrebe

corner of hells wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

I don't know , your first post gave very little context, I replied to that one .I'd hardly be expected to know your personal circumstances.

Then you seemed to have some sort of convulsion or fit.
Maybe have a little lie down and try relax.

I'm not having a fit. I thought I had made it more than clear that I was a low earner and struggling, while watching people who weren't working at all have an easier time of it. Not sure what part of that you didn't understand. Means testing is pointless when some jobsworth in an office is going 'ah sure you're working full time, so you don't need any help'. There's no point in looking at how many hours you work or how much you earn if what you need to pay out isn't taken into account. Plenty of people are working, not entitled to any help, and stone cold broke.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

I love how people think the unemployed have zero living costs, and 750 euro pocket money to spend per month!

Dravokivich

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

When people say it would be a dream come true to live in some really hot country they never seem to think about the fact that they'll have to work their arse off in that country, or that if they ever develop health problems there will be no social welfare to help them and that when it comes to the stage in their life they should be thinking about retiring they'll have nothing.

I don't see the difference?

Dial Hard

Deleted User wrote: »

I love how people think the unemployed have zero living costs, and 750 euro pocket money to spend per month!

She never said she thinks that.

I don't know why people are being so deliberately obtuse. I can totally understand Irishrebe's frustration with the system. I spent several months on the dole last year and got offered some casual work here and there during that time and while I always took it because, like Irishrebe, I wanted to work, there were a few times where I wondered why I bothered because after my payment was adjusted, I was pretty much working for nothing.

Johnnycanyon

irishrebe wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

I was on the dole until recently getting a job.. would love to have known how to get my rent paid for me, as far as commuting costs are concerned I didn't get a free travel pass to go into turas nua appointments and for traveling around looking for work.

corner of hells

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm not having a fit. I thought I had made it more than clear that I was a low earner and struggling, while watching people who weren't working at all have an easier time of it. Not sure what part of that you didn't understand. Means testing is pointless when some jobsworth in an office is going 'ah sure you're working full time, so you don't need any help'. There's no point in looking at how many hours you work or how much you earn if what you need to pay out isn't taken into account. Plenty of people are working, not entitled to any help, and stone cold broke.

So you tried for a medical card and HAP ?

irishrebe

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I know they're means tested. The point is that the means testing isn't fit for purpose. If someone can't afford to go to the doctor when they're sick, then they are in need, regardless of whether or not they're in a full time job. I was taking home little over 1000 euro a month. By the time I'd paid for my rented room, bills, food, transport costs, I barely had anything left at all to live on. Are you really trying to tell me I was better off than someone getting 750 a month on the dole, with their rent paid for and no commuting costs? Seriously?

I love how people think the unemployed have zero living costs, and 750 euro pocket money to spend per month!

Where did I say that? I didn't. I said they have their rent paid (and sometimes bills too, depending on the set-up) and their medical costs covered, and they don't have any commuting costs because they don't have a job. By the time I'd paid my rent, bills and commuting costs, I only had about 300 euros left compared to their 750. And I had to pay my own medical costs out of that, as well as everything they needed to pay for like food and clothes.

irishrebe

Dial Hard wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I love how people think the unemployed have zero living costs, and 750 euro pocket money to spend per month!

She never said she thinks that.

I don't know why people are being so deliberately obtuse.  I can totally understand Irishrebe's frustration with the system.  I spent several months on the dole last year and got offered some casual work here and there during that time and while I always took it because, like Irishrebe, I wanted to work, there were a few times where I wondered why I bothered because after my payment was adjusted, I was pretty much working for nothing.

Probably because they've never been in a position where they'd have been better off on the dole like we have.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

Where did I say that? I didn't. I said they have their rent paid (and sometimes bills too, depending on the set-up) and their medical costs covered, and they don't have any commuting costs because they don't have a job. By the time I'd paid my rent, bills and commuting costs, I only had about 300 euros left compared to their 750. And I had to pay my own medical costs out of that, as well as everything they needed to pay for like food and clothes.

No, unemployed people don't have their rent and bills paid. There is nothing enviable about living in the dole. It's easy to look through the neighbour's window and believe they have it better.

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, unemployed people don't have their rent and bills paid. There is nothing enviable about living in the dole. It's easy to look through the neighbour's window and believe they have it better.

Em if they are unemployed how are they paying their rent and bills??

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Em if they are unemployed how are they paying their rent and bills??

Out of their dole.

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Out of their dole.

Exactly, so it is paid for by someone else for them.

Blaas4life

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Exactly, so it is paid for by someone else for them.

By this logic peoples wages and bills paid outta em are paid by their employer?

irishrebe

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Where did I say that? I didn't. I said they have their rent paid (and sometimes bills too, depending on the set-up) and their medical costs covered, and they don't have any commuting costs because they don't have a job. By the time I'd paid my rent, bills and commuting costs, I only had about 300 euros left compared to their 750. And I had to pay my own medical costs out of that, as well as everything they needed to pay for like food and clothes.

No, unemployed people don't have their rent and bills paid. There is nothing enviable about living in the dole. It's easy to look through the neighbour's window and believe they have it better.

You think? When I lived in Dublin I knew dozens of people who were having their rent paid or living in state subsidised housing.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

You think? When I lived in Dublin I knew dozens of people who were having their rent paid or living in state subsidised housing.

Dozens. I've known a few too. I've known most others unable to find accommodation within the allowance limits and paid the full whack from their own pockets.I know I had to.

And I've never heard of anyone having their bills paid for them.