Jailed for putting up a Racist Sticker Political Correctness gone mad

Dr Brown

Unbelievable that in the UK you can be jailed for putting up a few stickers.

While I don't support this group I think everyone should have the right to freedom of speech.

The police in the UK don't seem to be as quick to arrest Muslims who openly promote ISIS.

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-13/white-supremacists-jailed-after-plastering-university-campus-with-stickers/



A group of white supremacists have been jailed for plastering racist stickers across a city centre university campus.
After stickering prominent signage on the site, the men then posed for a souvenir-style photo doing Nazi-type salutes and holding the black flag of far-right organisation National Action.
Sentencing the men on Wednesday, a judge said the “pernicious” stickers deposited at Aston University, Birmingham, had “potential to cause social unrest and racial tension in the city”.

WinnyThePoo

You guys and your white identity. Does it ever get old?.

LaChatteGitane

Why are white supremacists always so f*ck ugly ?

Dr. Bre

That is PC gone mad

BoJack Horseman

Could be worse.

Putting a rasher on a mosque door handle gets the death sentence.

Ipso

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You guys and your white identity. Does it ever get old?.

It may be old but should it be illegal?
White supremacists are knobs, but making martyrs of them won’t help.
The next time a bunch of grown men lose the plot over a Satanic Verses or cartoon, will they be jailed?

Your Face

Id imagine they are in jail because advocating racism is illegal.

Its not that hard to comprehend.

riffmongous

Googling a bit more, looks like it's a crackdown on a dangerous far right group

Members of a neo-Nazi organisation kept meeting after the group was banned, a former member has told a court.

Six men deny being members of National Action after it was proscribed between December 2016 and September 2017.

Witness Robbie Mullen, 25, who became a whistleblower, said the group continued physically training for a race war.

The Old Bailey has heard that it was Mr Mullen who first warned the anti-racism charity Hope not Hate of a plan to kill a Labour MP as part of a "white jihad".

Under cross examination at the Old Bailey, Mr Mullen denied that his reasons for contacting the charity were in order to feel important or to make money.

Jack Renshaw, 23, of Skelmersdale, Lancashire, has pleaded guilty to preparing an act of terrorism by buying a machete to kill the West Lancashire MP Rosie Cooper.

He has also admitted making a threat to kill police officer Victoria Henderson, who was investigating him for child sex offences and inciting racial hatred.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44489796

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

.........
While I don't support this group I think everyone should have the right to freedom of speech.

........

Didn't you say Islam should be banned?

wexie

Your Face wrote: »

Id imagine they are in jail because advocating racism is illegal.

as is being a member of National Action

tigerboon

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You guys and your white identity. Does it ever get old?.

Are people not allowed identify as white? What do you think a white person should have as an identity? ....I'm not a Nazi by the way...

kylith

So, it's not 'jailed for putting up a sticker', it's actually 'jailed for being a dangerous, racist, scumbag'?

Ipso

kylith wrote: »

So, it's not 'jailed for putting up a sticker', it's actually 'jailed for being a dangerous, racist, scumbag'?

Yes, just a wee bit of a difference alright.

Ipso

tigerboon wrote: »

Are people not allowed identify as white? What do you think a white person should have as an identity? ....I'm not a Nazi by the way...

I might pop up to the Shankill Road and express my whiteness, my white brothers will embrace me to their bosom.

Will I Am Not

Silly thread title.

Donald Trump

Apparently there are good people on both sides

Or so I've heard

Graces7

The Judge was right and wise.

Stephen15

Reminds me of the guy who they tried to arrest for teaching his dog a Nazi salute as a joke and posting it on Facebook. I don't support this group but their entitled to their opinion especially when ISIS supporters who support Islamic fascism are entitled to their view. It's political correctness gone mad when Tommy Robinson is behind bars for speaking the truth.

Enoch Powell was right look at the stabbings and acid attacks going on in the UK atm nearly all committed by forgein nationals or second or third generations "New British".

WinnyThePoo

Stephen15 wrote: »

Reminds me of the guy who they tried to arrest for teaching his dog a Nazi salute as a joke and posting it on Facebook. I don't support this group but their entitled to their opinion especially when ISIS supporters who support Islamic fascism are entitled to their view. It's political correctness gone mad when Tommy Robinson is behind bars for speaking the truth.

Enoch Powell was right look at the stabbings and acid attacks going on in the UK atm nearly all committed by forgein nationals or second or third generations "New British".

Tommy Robinson wasn't jailed for speaking the truth. He was jailed for breaking his suspended sentence. His actions where mornic and he could have ruined multiple trials.

How it is that his supporters can't comprehend that is is beyond me.

jaxxx

Reading the thread title I was like "WTF". Then after further reading... nope, justified. Any of these neo-nazi types needs automatic locking up. You cannot reason with these people, thus there is no place in the world for them. This isn't PC gone mad, this isn't censorship of opinion... well in a way it is censorship, but it's a censorship of barbarians.

tigger123

Donald Trump wrote: »

Apparently there are good people on both sides

Or so I've heard

Does the Trump impersonation ever get old?

CeilingFly

Odhinn wrote: »

Didn't you say Islam should be banned?

Remember the supremacist moto

All people are equal as long as they agree with us.



Frankly the person the op links to should have been jailed for twice that time at a minimum.

Society don't need that type of uneducated scum roaming the streets spouting hatred.

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Tommy Robinson wasn't jailed for speaking the truth. He was jailed for breaking his suspended sentence. His actions where mornic and he could have ruined multiple trials.

How it is that his supporters can't comprehend that is is beyond me.

How could he have ruined the trials?

AllForIt

Fascism should be countered wherever it's seen to rear it's ugly head.

To suggest that this crime is trivial because it has only to do with 'stickers' is a nice try but no cigar. We're not dumb you know.

The perpetrators are just everyday common scum who are so acutely aware that they are utter nobodies that they join a fascist group just to make themselves feel big about themselves, just like those young city scumbags who today were sentenced in the UK for stabbing to death a young man for his iPhone - just so they feel like they are somebodies when in reality they are the lowest of the low.

Stephen15

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Tommy Robinson wasn't jailed for speaking the truth. He was jailed for breaking his suspended sentence. His actions where mornic and he could have ruined multiple trials.

How it is that his supporters can't comprehend that is is beyond me.

The police were looking to get some reason to lock him up if it was a journalist from the mainstream media (s)he would not have been arrested. He is viewed as an enemy of the state and the police will look to prosecute him at any offence he commits however minor.

Auguste Comte

Stephen15 wrote: »

The police were looking to get some reason to lock him up if it was a journalist from the mainstream media (s)he would not have been arrested. He is viewed as an enemy of the state and the police will look to prosecute him at any offence he commits however minor.

What offences do you think he should be allowed to commit and not get prosecuted?

WinnyThePoo

Auguste Comte wrote: »

What offences do you think he should be allowed to commit and not get prosecuted?

Any he likes. Remember 'hes the enemy of the state'.

Zebra3

Stephen15 wrote: »

The police were looking to get some reason to lock him up if it was a journalist from the mainstream media (s)he would not have been arrested. He is viewed as an enemy of the state and the police will look to prosecute him at any offence he commits however minor.

Robinson is most certainly not an enemy of the British state.

He is a racist. He supports British war crimes in the Middle East.

He’s no different to the likes of Blair, May and Johnson except his social standing.

The Legend Of Kira

While I wouldn,t be an expert about this group from online research they re a banned group reading this recent article, anyone planning or plotting any sort of terrorism I can understand why a such a group would be banned, its a pity certain left wing groups who openly use violence aren,t equally banned, anyone who uses violence or terrorism should be banned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-neo-nazi-uk-terror-plot-labour-mp-machete-amber-rudd-renshaw-lythgoe-a8397521.html

I looked at some of the stickers in question in that article link posted by the op
" multiculturalism is genocide "- I think the use of the word is a bit too strong & don,t agree with it being used, but I don,t think it should be a chargeable offence, lets say hypothetically if the sticker said instead " multiculturalism has gone too far " should that be a crime to express such an opinion ? shouldn,t people have the democratic right to openly disagree with an ideology ? Some politicians have in the past called for the burka to be banned should such public statements also be an offence ? I mean where does the line get drawn when it comes to expressing ones personal opinion ? From that article to quote the judge " Sentencing the men on Wednesday, a judge said the “pernicious” stickers deposited at Aston University, Birmingham, had “potential to cause social unrest " . I,ve seen stickers before from certain dissident republican groups on poles/lamp posts " resist the occupation " etc one could also argue such statements on stickers have the potential to cause " social unrest " .

Dr Brown

CeilingFly wrote: »

Remember the supremacist moto

All people are equal as long as they agree with us.



Frankly the person the op links to should have been jailed for twice that time at a minimum.

Society don't need that type of uneducated scum roaming the streets spouting hatred.

If we are to jail people who spout hate then why not also jail feminists because they spout hate against men ?

You see where this is leading jailing people because we don't like their political opinions is going down a very dangerous road.

I think this group are a bunch of clowns but I don't agree with jailing them for non violent offenses.

This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters.

Either we have freedom of speech for everybody or we don't have free speech at all.

LaChatteGitane

LaChatteGitane wrote: »

Why are white supremacists always so f*ck ugly ?

"If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

Ronald Dahl, speaking the truth.

meeeeh

A terrible injustice happened there. I would contact Amnesty International OP, they like to help those prosecuted for their political beliefs.

bodice ripper

People are jailed for vandalism in the UK all the time.

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

If we are to jail people who spout hate then why not also jail feminists because they spout hate against men ?

You see where this is leading jailing people because we don't like their political opinions is going down a very dangerous road.

I think this group are a bunch of clowns but I don't agree with jailing them for non violent offenses.

This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters.

Either we have freedom of speech for everybody or we don't have free speech at all.

But haven't you said that Islam should be banned?

The Legend Of Kira

Dr Brown wrote: »

If we are to jail people who spout hate then why not also jail feminists because they spout hate against men ?

You see where this is leading jailing people because we don't like their political opinions is going down a very dangerous road.

I think this group are a bunch of clowns but I don't agree with jailing them for non violent offenses.

This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters.

Either we have freedom of speech for everybody or we don't have free speech at all.

Quoting from your post

" I think this group are a bunch of clowns but I don't agree with jailing them for non violent offenses. "

+1 Concur with your point. stickers however offensive shouldn,t be a crime as expressing ones opinion in a blunt way isn,t violence .

Vs recent reports about some of their members plotting terror by all means arrest & charge anyone plotting terror or violence be it they be right wing or left wing groups.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-terror-plot-rosie-cooper-murder-labour-mp-jack-renshaw-nazi-a8395026.html

" This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters. "

Anti abortion protesters in the Uk in past years have also being arrested + trialled for display of their banners, something I also equally disagreed with as they weren,t committing any violence only putting their point across in a blunt way.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8010836/Anti-abortion-activists-arrested-over-graphic-banner.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-19630472

FTA69

National Action are an illegal organisation whose supporters have murdered people and who are currently being tried for plotting the murder of a Labour MP with a machete. There are also laws against incitement to hatred.
They weren't jailed for stickers, but for participation in a proscribed terrorist organisation, but yeah they're the same as the Goldsmiths feminist society alright.

As usual the far right are dealing in half-truths and outright lies.

meeeeh

Most also don't seem to understand that there is a difference between US laws and laws in most European countries. Hate speech is protected in US and illegal in most of Europe. Those boys were too dumb to paste stickers in the right country..

AllForIt

Dr Brown wrote: »

If we are to jail people who spout hate then why not also jail feminists because they spout hate against men ?

You see where this is leading jailing people because we don't like their political opinions is going down a very dangerous road.

I think this group are a bunch of clowns but I don't agree with jailing them for non violent offenses.

This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters.

Either we have freedom of speech for everybody or we don't have free speech at all.

Stickers isn't speech. It's actively disseminating fascist inspired material. It's not the same as 'free speech' at all.

If feminists were spreading hate through the use of stickers or posters or whatever then I'd agree they should be prosecuted too.

Peregrine

National Action is a terrorist organisation in the UK, yes? Membership of which is banned.

You seem to be defending a terrorist, OP. Are you opposed to jailing all terrorists or just this particular terrorist?

Yer Da sells Avon

Dr Brown wrote: »

This week it was "white supremacists" who were jailed for their political beliefs next time it could be UKIP supporters.

"First they came for the white supremacists, and I spoke out. Because I am also a white supremacist."

Dr Brown

Peregrine wrote: »

National Action is a terrorist organisation in the UK, yes? Membership of which is banned.

You seem to be defending a terrorist, OP. Are you opposed to jailing all terrorists or just this particular terrorist?

By all means they should jail people for terrorism but not for putting up stickers.


That's the sort of law you would get in North Korea.

endacl

Dr Brown wrote: »

By all means they should jail people for terrorism but not for putting up stickers.


That's the sort of law you would get in North Korea.

Out of interest, have you ever avoided hyperbole, been consistent, and/or made sense?

greencap

Jail all sticker putter uppers. regardless of politics.

They're on par with taggers. dirty nuisances.

Grayson

Dr Brown wrote: »

Unbelievable that in the UK you can be jailed for putting up a few stickers.

While I don't support this group I think everyone should have the right to freedom of speech.

The police in the UK don't seem to be as quick to arrest Muslims who openly promote ISIS.

Sure they do. Maybe if you actually googled this crap rather than going by what your head makes up, you wouldn't look so silly.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4569388/banned-terror-groups-uk-national-action/

What other terror groups are banned under UK law?
17 November Revolutionary Organisation (N17)
Abdallah Azzam Brigades, including the Ziyad al Jarrah Battalions (AAB)
Abu Nidal Organisation
Abu Sayyaf
Ajnad Misr
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya
Al Ghurabaa
Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya
Al Murabitun
Al Qa'ida
Al-Shabaab
Ansar al-Islam
Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi
Ansar Al Sharia Tunisia
Ansar Al Sunna
Ansar Bayt al Maqdis
Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan (Vanguard for the protection of Muslims in Black Africa)
Armed Islamic Group
Asbat al-Ansar
Babbar Khalsa
Balochistan Liberation Army
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Global Islamic Media Front
Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain
Hamas
Harkat-ul-Jihad ul-Islami
Harkat-ul-Jihad ul-Islami (Bangladesh)
Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen
Harakat Mujahideen
Haqqani Network
Hizballah Military Wing
Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin
Imarat Kavkaz
Indian Mujahideen
Islamic Army of Aden
Islamic Jihad Union
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jamaah Anshorut Daulah
Jamaat ul-Ahrar
Jammat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Jamaat Ul-Furquan
Jaysh al Khalifatu Islamiya
Jemaah Islamiyah
Jund al-Aqsa
Jund al Khalifa-Algeria
Kateeba al Kawthar
Partiya Karkeren Kurdistani
Lashkar e Tayyaba
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Minbar Ansar Deen
Mujahidin Indonesia Timur
National Action
NS131
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command
Revolutionary Peoples' Liberation Party
Salafist Group for Call and Combat
Saved Sect
Scottish Dawn
Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan
Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari'at Muhammadi
Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan
Teyre Azadiye Kurdistan
Turkestan Islamic Party
Turkiye Halk Kurtulus Partisi-Cephesi
Banned groups linked to Northern Ireland terror
Continuity Army Council
Cumann na mBan
Fianna na hEireann
Irish National Liberation Army
Irish People's Liberation Organisation
Irish Republican Army
Loyalist Volunteer Force
Orange Volunteers
Red Hand Commando
Saor Eire
Ulster Defence Association
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Ulster Volunteer Force

Also, the group in question have called for the murders of MP's.

Yet somehow some right wing snowflakes are on here spouting off about freedom of speech.

tigerboon

“potential to cause social unrest and racial tension"

The election of a Tory government has "potential" to cause this. If the people jailed have committed real crimes then fine, lock them up but jailing people on the above reason sets a very dangerous precedent.

Grayson

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

While I wouldn,t be an expert about this group from online research they re a banned group reading this recent article, anyone planning or plotting any sort of terrorism I can understand why a such a group would be banned, its a pity certain left wing groups who openly use violence aren,t equally banned, anyone who uses violence or terrorism should be banned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-neo-nazi-uk-terror-plot-labour-mp-machete-amber-rudd-renshaw-lythgoe-a8397521.html

I looked at some of the stickers in question in that article link posted by the op
" multiculturalism is genocide "- I think the use of the word is a bit too strong & don,t agree with it being used, but I don,t think it should be a chargeable offence, lets say hypothetically if the sticker said instead " multiculturalism has gone too far " should that be a crime to express such an opinion ? shouldn,t people have the democratic right to openly disagree with an ideology ? Some politicians have in the past called for the burka to be banned should such public statements also be an offence ? I mean where does the line get drawn when it comes to expressing ones personal opinion ? From that article to quote the judge " Sentencing the men on Wednesday, a judge said the “pernicious” stickers deposited at Aston University, Birmingham, had “potential to cause social unrest " . I,ve seen stickers before from certain dissident republican groups on poles/lamp posts " resist the occupation " etc one could also argue such statements on stickers have the potential to cause " social unrest " .

You've obviously missed all the stories about the police infiltrating left wing groups over the last few years.

PucaMama

Stephen15 wrote: »

Reminds me of the guy who they tried to arrest for teaching his dog a Nazi salute as a joke and posting it on Facebook. I don't support this group but their entitled to their opinion especially when ISIS supporters who support Islamic fascism are entitled to their view. It's political correctness gone mad when Tommy Robinson is behind bars for speaking the truth.

Enoch Powell was right look at the stabbings and acid attacks going on in the UK atm nearly all committed by forgein nationals or second or third generations "New British".

They didn’t just try to arrest the man they took the dog away and he was convicted too.

Tommy Robinson on the other hand broke the law. What is his real name again? The one under which he was convicted of fraud etc?

friendlyfun

People who always say "PC gone mad" are the same types who are disappointed they can't be racists anymore.

Donald Trump

tigger123 wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

Apparently there are good people on both sides

Or so I've heard

Does the Trump impersonation ever get old?

Ah jaysus. How silly would a person have to be to think that I'm on here seriously trying to impersonate the President of the United States of America?








When clearly it is me

Blaas4life

friendlyfun wrote: »

People who always say "PC gone mad" are the same types who are disappointed they can't be racists anymore.

I think it depends on the scenario/relationship with the person....like there do be Polish lads in work who we do have slagging etc with and just general abuse etc and it's all good criac/not mean spirited

But I wouldn't head into subway and start slagging/abusing the polish/east european wan making the roll etc as ì dunno her

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

By all means they should jail people for terrorism but not for putting up stickers.


That's the sort of law you would get in North Korea.

Speaking of which

Dr Brown wrote: »

Islam is a VERY dangerous religion and should be banned. IMO.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106897139&postcount=1498

Not "extremist Islam", "wahabi Islam", "salafist islam" or any other caveat now, but all "Islam". Some might say - based on historical examples - that nazism is "VERY dangerous" itself.