To HAP or not HAP that is the question?

tvjunki

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Your prediction skills were spot on. Kudos!

On topic. Renting to a family friend in dire need is realistcially giveing them a free or next to free house. You'll never be able to raise the rent, never be able to sell it or anything of the sort. Refuse and youre teh bad guys for a while, Accept and you're the bad guy forever.

Lets be clear. people are never truely gratefull beyond a casual tip of the hat at a kind deed. You will suffer forever for even entertaining this and letting it get as far as it had.

Agree with the above.

Also make sure you dont give a lease as once you do you cannot sell the house unless you have a breakout clause stating you have the right to terminate the lease under the tenancies act..otherwise you have to sell the property with them in situ until the lease is up. Just found this out now..

No breakout clause you are caught with a sitting tenant!!

Reading between the lines I think the minister wants landlords to only be able to sell houses with the tenant in situ which will have massive effects on the value of your property.

Tombo2001

GG Trek - I have to congratulate you on such a fantastic piece of analysis earlier.

Its an incredible paradox that the HAP scheme should on the one hand claim to be an attempt to support lower income people gain access to the rental market; and should on the other hand should provide so many deterrents to those people who would be landlord to them.

Of course, there is a big cohort of people who really arent interested in what is actually hapenning; and are keen to stick to their preferred narrative which is that landlords are all crooked. What I never hear from these punters is 'why isnt HAP attractive to landlords; what would make it attractive to landlords'.

If anything, the naysayers are arguably responsible for this situation as the govt is possibly terrified of doing anything that might be seen as positive for landlords.

The Student

Disgruntled Tenant wrote: »

What you think I am is of no importance to me. What is of importance to me is that tenants are realising that they do have a voice, and that they don't have to allow landlords to ride roughshod over them and their rights.

I'm currently looking into setting up a charity, to help tenants whose landlords exploit them. I'm sure this will include "lowly educated tenants", as someone so succinctly put it in another thread.

As I'm sure you're well aware, some (probably most) tenants don't know the RTB system. I, on the other hand, am well aware of it, and as they say, knowledge is nothing if not shared.
It's beyond time that landlords were held accountable for their actions and inactions. If they want to run a business, they should do so responsibly, just as every other business owner has to. My plan is to make sure others are aware of this, and to help them to help the RTB enforce landlords' obligations.

Will non paying tenants be dealt with swiftly on your moral crusade?

Disgruntled Tenant

The Student wrote: »

Will non paying tenants be dealt with swiftly on your moral crusade?

No, but feel free to set up your own charity to help poor landlords recover any money owed to them. My goal is to help the exploited, not the exploiters.

The Student

Disgruntled Tenant wrote: »

No, but feel free to set up your own charity to help poor landlords recover any money owed to them. My goal is to help the exploited, not the exploiters.

Very one sided view.

tabby aspreme

Disgruntled Tenant wrote: »

What you think I am is of no importance to me. What is of importance to me is that tenants are realising that they do have a voice, and that they don't have to allow landlords to ride roughshod over them and their rights.

I'm currently looking into setting up a charity, to help tenants whose landlords exploit them..

As CEO of this Charity you should be able to pay yourself handsomely, or raise your profile to get elected to the Dail.

jimmycrackcorm

Disgruntled Tenant wrote:

Landlords have no idea how easy they have it. They get away with far too much. I think landlords should be taxed at 75%.

That's an idiotic idea. Have you even spent at least 30 seconds thinking about that? Why would anybody bother being a landlord and renting out properties when it is so heavily taxed instead of investing money elsewhere?

So your goal is not to have any places to rent?

Disgruntled Tenant wrote:

No, but feel free to set up your own charity to help poor landlords recover any money owed to them. My goal is to help the exploited, not the exploiters.

How about a level playing field and also ensuring landlords get the money from tenants who overhold. At the moment the whole rental sector is heavily skewed in favour of tenants.

GGTrek

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Disgruntled Tenant wrote:

Landlords have no idea how easy they have it. They get away with far too much. I think landlords should be taxed at 75%.

That's an idiotic idea. Have you even spent at least 30 seconds thinking about that? Why would anybody bother being a landlord and renting out properties when it is so heavily taxed instead of investing money elsewhere?

So your goal is not to have any places to rent?

Disgruntled Tenant wrote:

No, but feel free to set up your own charity to help poor landlords recover any money owed to them. My goal is to help the exploited, not the exploiters.

How about a level playing field and also ensuring landlords get the money from tenants who overhold. At the moment the whole rental sector is heavily skewed in favour of tenants.

The poster has his socialist ideological view and is basking in the great light of socialism His morality is superior to the one of the non socialist infidels and not worth discussing further In my opinion he could definitely go to one of the great socialist "paradises" available on earth to fully enjoy the great fruits provided by these paradises. We are talking a lot of free stuff: free food, free houses, free school, free hospitals, free travel, ... Ooopss, maybe they have absolutely none of the stuff I described and just a few dictators enjoying the fruits. In the mean time he will join forces with whatever hard left acronym is available in Ireland (PBP, AAA, ...) and join his ilk in Take Back the City (by force)

Askthe EA

Del2005 wrote: »

The house won't confirm with HAP standards and there's nothing, yet, to force landlords to make the house meet HAP standards. So they can easily refuse HAP on the basis that the house won't meet the standards required for HAP.

Noooooooooooooooooooo

Disgruntled Tenant

The Student wrote: »

Very one sided view.

I was thinking it was 100% one-sided. It's supposed to be.

tabby aspreme wrote: »

As CEO of this Charity you should be able to pay yourself handsomely, or raise your profile to get elected to the Dail.

It'll be not-for-profit. All that would be taken out would be expenses.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That's an idiotic idea. Have you even spent at least 30 seconds thinking about that? Why would anybody bother being a landlord and renting out properties when it is so heavily taxed instead of investing money elsewhere?

So your goal is not to have any places to rent?

Have you spent even 30 seconds thinking about this?
1 rental property = 50% tax
2 or more rental properties, 75% (or higher) tax. Personally I'd go for 90%


The houses aren't going to disappear. It simply means that greedy landlords will likely sell multiple properties, and the housing crisis will be somewhat diminished.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

How about a level playing field and also ensuring landlords get the money from tenants who overhold. At the moment the whole rental sector is heavily skewed in favour of tenants.

Yes, the tenants are all powerful and hold all the cards in this housing crisis :rolleyes:

GGTrek wrote: »

The poster has his socialist ideological view and is basking in the great light of socialism His morality is superior to the one of the non socialist infidels and not worth discussing further In my opinion he could definitely go to one of the great socialist "paradises" available on earth to fully enjoy the great fruits provided by these paradises. We are talking a lot of free stuff: free food, free houses, free school, free hospitals, free travel, ... Ooopss, maybe they have absolutely none of the stuff I described and just a few dictators enjoying the fruits. In the mean time he will join forces with whatever hard left acronym is available in Ireland (PBP, AAA, ...) and join his ilk in Take Back the City (by force)

Exactly the sort of reply I expected from you.