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Turning very warm/hot, heatwave conditions likely; Sunday 24th -->

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Castlederg hit a max of 30.2 today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    Fantastic evening here in kildare still about 23-24 but a lot more manageable this evening. Can actually sit out and have a few beers without it being uncomfortable..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    Does anyone know how many heatwaves there have been since, say 1950 (using the definition of greater than 25C at any one location for five days-if that is the right definition)?

    It would be a handy mental reference map - setting heatwaves apart from the more frequent localised high temperature days.

    These are the ones I know of or experienced off the top of my head:-
    1976, 1983?, 1986?, 1989, 1995, aug 2003, jul 2005?, jul 2006?, jul 2013, jul 2016? jun 2018

    Would the figure be around 15 to 20 heatwaves (in 68 years)?

    1990 possibly? I have a vague memory of it hitting 32C in the Dublin area in early August.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Does anyone know how many heatwaves there have been since, say 1950 (using the definition of greater than 25C at any one location for five days-if that is the right definition)?

    It would be a handy mental reference map - setting heatwaves apart from the more frequent localised high temperature days.

    These are the ones I know of or experienced off the top of my head:-
    1976, 1983?, 1986?, 1989, 1995, aug 2003, jul 2005?, jul 2006?, jul 2013, jul 2016? jun 2018

    Would the figure be around 15 to 20 heatwaves (in 68 years)?

    There used to be a PDF by Met Éireann on the warm weather of mid-June 2014 which had a table of heatwaves recorded in Ireland since 1942 I think it was with the station, month and year of heatwave, as well as duration of heatwave include. Unfortunately as of their new site, that has been taken down. Very unfortunate that is because it was one of Met Éireann's best documents in my opinion jam packed with small bits of information. Silly me did not save it to his Google Drive along with the other documents that he did :rolleyes:. As a result, this makes it harder for me to answer this post with every heatwave since then. I will likely miss some and for the moment, I'm doing the heatwaves for Oak Park, Shannon Airport, Kilkenny and Birr. However, here's the ones I remember off the top of my head and looked back at the historical data:

    Station|No. of days|Dates
    Oak Park|5 days|17-21 June 2017
    Oak Park|7 days|8-14 July 2013
    Shannon Airport|5 days|7-11 July 2013
    Birr|6 days|15-20 July 2006
    Kilkenny|6 days|15-20 July 2006
    Oak Park|5 days|16-20 July 2006
    Birr|5 days|4-8 August 2003
    Kilkenny|5 days|4-8 August 2003
    Birr|6 days|16-21 August 1995
    Kilkenny|7 days|16-22 August 1995
    Oak Park|10 days|14-23 August 1995
    Shannon Airport|6 days|16-21 August 1995
    Birr|6 days|1-6 August 1995
    Kilkenny|6 days|1-6 August 1995
    Oak Park|7 days|1-7 August 1995
    Shannon Airport|6 days|1-6 August 1995
    Birr|7 days|24-30 June 1995
    Kilkenny|7 days|24-30 June 1995
    Oak Park|8 days|23-30 June 1995
    Shannon Airport|8 days|23-30 June 1995
    Oak Park|5 days|1-5 September 1991
    Birr|7 days|15-21 July 1989
    Kilkenny|7 days|15-21 July 1989
    Oak Park|7 days|15-21 July 1989
    Shannon Airport|6 days|16-21 July 1989
    Birr|9 days|7-15 July 1983
    Kilkenny|6 days|11-16 July 1983
    Oak Park|5 days|11-15 July 1983
    Shannon Airport|8 days|8-15 July 1983
    Birr|14 days|14-27 August 1976
    Kilkenny|10 days|14-23 August 1976
    Oak Park|9 days|15-23 August 1976
    Shannon Airport|8 days|15-22 August 1976
    Birr|7 days|28 June-4 July 1976
    Kilkenny|9 days|27 June-5 July 1976
    Oak Park|9 days|27 June-5 July 1976
    Shannon Airport|7 days|28 June-4 July 1976
    Kilkenny|6 days|15-20 July 1972
    Shannon Airport|5 days|15-19 July 1972
    Kilkenny|5 days|9-13 September 1959
    Birr|7 days|15-21 June 1957
    Shannon Airport|5 days|14-18 June 1957
    Shannon Airport|5 days|7-11 July 1955
    Shannon Airport|7 days|14-20 August 1947


    Near misses

    Station|No. of days|Dates
    Oak Park|4 days|22-25 July 2014
    Oak Park|4 days|17-20 July 2013
    Shannon Airport|4 days|17-20 July 2006
    Birr|4 days|10-13 July 2005
    Kilkenny|4 days|10-13 July 2005
    Oak Park|4 days|10-13 July 2005
    Shannon Airport|4 days|10-13 July 2005
    Kilkenny|4 days|2-5 September 1991
    Birr|4 days|4-7 July 1989
    Kilkenny|4 days|19-22 July 1984
    Shannon Airport|4 days|19-22 July 1984
    Shannon Airport|4 days|7-10 August 1983
    Oak Park|4 days|1-4 August 1975
    Shannon Airport|4 days|24-27 July 1955
    Shannon Airport|4 days|26-29 August 1947


    Data comes from Met Éireann.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    sryan. . You should work in the stock markets with a memory like yours .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭force eleven


    ECM wants to rebuild strong high pressure again over us. It never really relinquishes its grip. Rain is going to be hit and miss next week. I've had 33mm in June, Offaly, but 25mm of that was thunderstorm deluge....farmers and soon, consumers, are going to be affected by this.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ECM wants to rebuild strong high pressure again over us. It never really relinquishes its grip. Rain is going to be hit and miss next week. I've had 33mm in June, Offaly, but 25mm of that was thunderstorm deluge....farmers and soon, consumers, are going to be affected by this.

    Met.ie forecast for next week here has changed from 18C and rain to 22C and sunny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Tonight’s ECM is catastrophe for farmers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    I find this a very curious chart from the ECM this evening. A slack low smack bang over the country, yet very in the little if anything in the way of heavy showers, which such a pattern would normally bring at this time of year.


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    Is it because the ground is so dry now that there is no moisture to be evaporated to big up some rain potential? The next day has a similar pattern, but with a few light showers around. Nothing that would be of any use to anybody.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    ECM wants to rebuild strong high pressure again over us. It never really relinquishes its grip. Rain is going to be hit and miss next week. I've had 33mm in June, Offaly, but 25mm of that was thunderstorm deluge....farmers and soon, consumers, are going to be affected by this.

    The longer term prospects from the ECM is for the weather to become gradually more unsettled from mid-July onwards. There is a popular belief around these parts that we will always be 'punished' for getting weather like this (which is a genuine form punishment as far as I am concerned), and I sincerely hope that this belief holds true.

    New Moon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭glightning


    Tomorrow is forecast to be several degrees down on today (which I get since uppers are dropping).

    But standing out in the garden right now at 9pm, the heat is really lingering on this evening. More so than any other evening this week. Nearest station is Belfast Aldergrove which was reporting 25c at 8:20pm and 24c at 8:50pm.

    And the sky is crystal clear. Like an abroad holiday.

    It feels like tomorrow will deliver another hot day here (say upper twenties) despite the forecast for cooler temps (low to mid twenties depending on the source), but I guess we’ll see....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭glightning


    I’m sure we’ll all agree that we have seen some of the nicest, continental holiday like blue skies this week all round!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    glightning wrote: »
    Tomorrow is forecast to be several degrees down on today (which I get since uppers are dropping).

    But standing out in the garden right now at 9pm, the heat is really lingering on this evening. More so than any other evening this week. Nearest station is Belfast Aldergrove which was reporting 25c at 8:20pm and 24c at 8:50pm.

    And the sky is crystal clear. Like an abroad holiday.

    It feels like tomorrow will deliver another hot day here (say upper twenties) despite the forecast for cooler temps (low to mid twenties depending on the source), but I guess we’ll see....

    Was still 30° at Shannon at 8pm. Most recently 29 degrees at 8.30pm.

    pro tip I just discovered - the ° symbol is got by holding ALT and typing 0176. Who knew


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    1990 possibly? I have a vague memory of it hitting 32C in the Dublin area in early August.
    Fair play to ya for remembering that. August 2nd 1990 is the only occasion as far as I'm aware that the temperature has ever exceeded 30c in Dublin city.
    There was a 30c+ at Casement in July 2006 but that is too far inland and not representative of Dublin city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Lenny5


    So is the west going to get cloudy with showers tmrow and Sunday? Had planned to spend the wkend on the beach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    19.8c here in West Clare, yet it's 28c up the road in Shannon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,615 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    19.8c here in West Clare, yet it's 28c up the road in Shannon!

    You should move near a car park!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,261 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It's still very warm out there in Cork at least. Was passing my local GAA pitch with a camogie match on and two girls were sitting down on the pitch been given water and taking a few minutes to recover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭glightning


    sdanseo wrote: »
    glightning wrote: »
    Tomorrow is forecast to be several degrees down on today (which I get since uppers are dropping).

    But standing out in the garden right now at 9pm, the heat is really lingering on this evening. More so than any other evening this week. Nearest station is Belfast Aldergrove which was reporting 25c at 8:20pm and 24c at 8:50pm.

    And the sky is crystal clear. Like an abroad holiday.

    It feels like tomorrow will deliver another hot day here (say upper twenties) despite the forecast for cooler temps (low to mid twenties depending on the source), but I guess we’ll see....

    Was still 30° at Shannon at 8pm. Most recently 29 degrees at 8.30pm.

    pro tip I just discovered - the ° symbol is got by holding ALT and typing 0176. Who knew

    Yeah, I saw that for Shannon. Remarkable!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Zerbini Blewitt


    Since 1950 there were heatwave summers in 1955, June 1957 I think? 1959 and of course 1975 which is often over looked because of the summer that followed it. 1984 was also a very good summer but not as good as the one that preceded it so is not remembered.
    Interesting that there were no outstanding summers in the 1960s.
    1990 possibly? I have a vague memory of it hitting 32C in the Dublin area in early August.
    sryanbruen wrote: »
    There used to be a PDF by Met Éireann ...

    Cheers, thanks for all the answers.

    That’s a pity that that met document was taken down but hopefully it’s not totally gone.

    It is interesting that nobody has memory or data of a heatwave in the 1960’s. That’s borderline incredible if it turns out to be true (some of the monkey deities must have been angry about all the free love and LSD in them times :confused:)

    There’s a lot of agreement so far even about long ago eg. Jul 1955.

    I’ll tot up a total & near total over the next few days.

    Disappointing that 32.5C wasn’t broken this event but this summer looks like it has plenty of firepower left yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭degsie


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    19.8c here in West Clare, yet it's 28c up the road in Shannon!
    Lenny5 wrote: »
    So is the west going to get cloudy with showers tmrow and Sunday? Had planned to spend the wkend on the beach.

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    Maybe Sunday!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The models are differing on how quickly the occluded front approaches the W on Sat with a trough ahead of it by evening. Met Eireann saying showers possible in the NW later. It looks a very weak front.

    The American models showing rain ( possible thunderstorms ) the European showing very little rain if any.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    I find this a very curious chart from the ECM this evening. A slack low smack bang over the country, yet very in the little if anything in the way of heavy showers, which such a pattern would normally bring at this time of year.


    ecm0125_nat_msl_t850_6urk_2018062912_126.jpg

    Is it because the ground is so dry now that there is no moisture to be evaporated to big up some rain potential? The next day has a similar pattern, but with a few light showers around. Nothing that would be of any use to anybody.

    It's just a surface heat low, formed by the heating of the airmass over the land. These are common in the warm season, and Iberia has one most days. If you look at the hourly Met.ie mesoscale charts you can see the low forming hour-by-hour during the morning, peaking by late afternoon, then filling again overnight. At higher levels, however, there is actually a high. Look at 925, 850, 500 hPa charts, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭pad199207


    The models are differing on how quickly the occluded front approaches the W on Sat with a trough ahead of it by evening. Met Eireann saying showers possible in the NW later. It looks a very weak front.

    The American models showing rain ( possible thunderstorms ) the European showing very little rain if any.


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    With the way 2018 is going we will probably have supercells approaching the south coast tomorrow night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    I find this a very curious chart from the ECM this evening. A slack low smack bang over the country, yet very in the little if anything in the way of heavy showers, which such a pattern would normally bring at this time of year.


    ecm0125_nat_msl_t850_6urk_2018062912_126.jpg

    Is it because the ground is so dry now that there is no moisture to be evaporated to big up some rain potential? The next day has a similar pattern, but with a few light showers around. Nothing that would be of any use to anybody.

    It's just a surface heat low, formed by the heating of the airmass over the land. These are common in the warm season, and Iberia has one most days. If you look at the hourly Met.ie mesoscale charts you can see the low forming hour-by-hour during the morning, peaking by late afternoon, then filling again overnight. At higher levels, however, there is actually a high the whole time. Look at 925, 850, 500 hPa charts, etc.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's just a surface heat low, formed by the heating of the airmass over the land. These are common in the warm season, and Iberia has one most days. If you look at the hourly Met.ie mesoscale charts you can see the low forming hour-by-hour during the morning, peaking by late afternoon, then filling again overnight. At higher levels, however, there is actually a high the whole time. Look at 925, 850, 500 hPa charts, etc.

    Is it caused by warm air rising over land?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Cheers, thanks for all the answers.

    That’s a pity that that met document was taken down but hopefully it’s not totally gone.

    It is interesting that nobody has memory or data of a heatwave in the 1960’s. That’s borderline incredible if it turns out to be true (some of the monkey deities must have been angry about all the free love and LSD in them times :confused:)

    There’s a lot of agreement so far even about long ago eg. Jul 1955.

    I’ll tot up a total & near total over the next few days.

    Disappointing that 32.5C wasn’t broken this event but this summer looks like it has plenty of firepower left yet.

    The 1960s decade was known for its poor Summers and cold Winters. The "decent" Summers didn't occur 'til the last two of the decade, 1968 and 1969. These Summers for Ireland stand out for how sunny they were, especially 1968 in the northwest. However, they weren't remarkable at all for warmth and 1968 was in fact quite a cool Summer which is strange because usually dry and cool Summers would be rather dull.

    I have not looked at 1969 in detail yet bar the fact that it was quite a sunny Summer (with more than 600 hours of sunshine) at Dublin Airport.

    There weren't any heatwaves in the 1960s that I know of.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Is it caused by warm air rising over land?

    It's just the drop in air density due to the daytime heating. Read more here.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Very uncertain the amount of rain in the South later Sun /Mon. Models seem to be backing away from rainfall with very little amounts been shown at this stage by the ECM and others.

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