State Apology to Homosexuals

The Bishop Basher

Peregrinus wrote: »

Yes, there were frequent prosecutions. There are no systematic published statistics that I know of, but for example in response to a Parliamentary Question in 1979 the then Minister for Justice stated that there had been 44 prosecutions in the previous three years. That'd be an average of a bit more than one a month. So not a rare event at all.

Fair enough. Then I can see why an apology is warranted..

I'd still prefer they got on with legislating though..

We could be apologising all day for the atrocities committed by this state on it's people.

Doesn't change anything.. Legislating for the future will..

suicide_circus

Lilly Nutritious Scabby wrote: »

Another pr stunt to deflect from
Other issues eg health and homeless issues ...don’t see any apologies for those waiting on trolleys.... the social media/pc brigade will lap it up

Indeed. Leo going for the low hanging fruit again. Easy feel good low risk no brainer soundbite stuff while leaving the serious questions unanswered and the hard work undone. "Hey, moron electorate, look at this shiny thing over here!"

_Kaiser_

suicide_circus wrote: »

Indeed. Leo going for the low hanging fruit again. Easy feel good low risk no brainer soundbite stuff while leaving the serious questions unanswered and the hard work undone. "Hey, moron electorate, look at this shiny thing over here!"

As I've said before, I'm amazed anyone is surprised at this.

Leo achieved nothing of note in the 2 ministries he had under Enda but always had a soundbite about someone else's department - hence why the media love him.

Now he has the top job and is still all about the soundbites - even going so far as to having a spin department to sell his message.

Leo "leads" one of the most ineffective governments we've had yet (although to be fair we can thank Enda's ego for that what with his determination to be the only FG Taoiseach to get a second term, and himself being the longest serving TD.. Even if it meant putting the country on hold and letting FF hold the whip to achieve it), and has no personal convictions or goals for his time as leader beyond boosting his own personal profile.

As long as he's getting the "likes" sure who cares about the country? He's set up for life now anyway regardless of what happens to those who "get up early in the morning", or anyone else for that matter.

I didn't think FG could do worse than Enda, but they managed it, and with FF still a disorganised mess led by a man who was in that now infamous Government/cabinet, we have a very real possibility that SF will be the king makers next time out.

This is why FG historically are never elected except as a protest vote when FF have gone too far again.. Because in the long run they are actually WORSE than FF

Zebra3

Roger_007 wrote: »

Nobody should ever apologise for something they didn't do. Nobody can apologise on behalf of some other person or body. It's perfectly OK to acknowledge that something wrong was done in the past and to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.
I remember Tony Blair apologising for the Irish famine and I thought that it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard a U.K. Politician saying. Tony Blair had nothing to do with the famine so how could he apologise for it.
Anyone who did wrong can, and should, apologise. Those who didn't do the wrong have no business apologising.

(BTW Have the Danes ever apologised for the Viking raids?)

You don't seem to understand how these things work.

Everybody knows Blair was not responsible for killing over 1,000,000 Irish people back in the 1840s.

Nobody is going to prosecute him because he apologised for what was done.

He was apologising as the prime minister of Britain on behalf of the British state for their actions and inactions which caused such unimaginable suffering.

If Britain celebrates wars it won long in the past, it's only right it acknowledges its' crimes and the pain it inflicted on people too.

Ditto other countries.

I don't recall people being up in arms over Higgins apology to the prisoners of the Magdalene gulags.

Hitman3000

AllForIt wrote:

I think FG did bring around the marriage ref no?

You forgot the Labour Party, it was more an issue for them than FG.

nthclare

Who's next to get an apology ?

Wiccans, pagans....warlocks...witches..

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More populist rhetoric. Gearing up for the pink vote in the next election.

Hitman3000

nthclare wrote:

Wiccans, pagans....warlocks...witches..

The Faeries, look at the damage done to all the Faery rings throughout the country. Then I think it's the Leprechauns, for trying to take their gold.

nthclare

nthclare wrote: »

Who's next to get an apology ?

Wiccans, pagans....warlocks...witches..

Freddo chocolate bar connosours for the increase in price

silverharp

One eyed Jack wrote: »

AllForIt wrote: »

As I watched the proceedings and TD after TD recounted the veritable horror of the lives of ppl who have been persecuted over the generations especially gay men I couldn't help but feel amazed by how far this Catholic conservative country has come.

Curiously enough, the priesthood was more of a safe haven for many conservative gay men at the time in that it afforded them the ability to remain in the closest and not have to bear the social pressure of people questioning their sexuality or facing pressure to go into manual labour, to marry, to have children, to get a job that would provide for a family, etc.

I tend to view any apologies for political purposes a bit like this tbh:

The other priests meanwhile were using the confessional to out gay men to the cops so that they would be targeted

silverharp

One eyed Jack wrote: »

AllForIt wrote: »

As I watched the proceedings and TD after TD recounted the veritable horror of the lives of ppl who have been persecuted over the generations especially gay men I couldn't help but feel amazed by how far this Catholic conservative country has come.

Curiously enough, the priesthood was more of a safe haven for many conservative gay men at the time in that it afforded them the ability to remain in the closest and not have to bear the social pressure of people questioning their sexuality or facing pressure to go into manual labour, to marry, to have children, to get a job that would provide for a family, etc.

I tend to view any apologies for political purposes a bit like this tbh:

The other priests meanwhile were using the confessional to out gay men to the cops so that they would be targeted

nozzferrahhtoo

Ah yes so welcoming and supporting the priesthood was. Come over here, work for us, and stay celibate. Because pushing celibacy on people who have sexual aspects you disagree with is being really supportive of them I am sure. This was not giving gay men a place to go, it was giving them a place to hide, and lie about who and what they were both to themselves and others by suppressing it and hiding it away.

Oh yea we will give you a job only (turn on the south park voice when he was talking to his dog) "dont be gay!"

If that is supportive, I would have to see what they would do to their enemies.

Will I Am Not

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

If that is supportive, I would have to see what they would do to their enemies.

Love them?

Triangle

Lilly Nutritious Scabby wrote: »

Another pr stunt to deflect from
Other issues eg health and homeless issues ...don’t see any apologies for those waiting on trolleys.... the social media/pc brigade will lap it up

+1 also smells of an election coming and our dear old taoiseach is looking for some votes for a specific group.....

*takes tinfoil hat off*

Still good that it's been done. History is full of crap like this.

whisky_galore

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently at least one other country used to chemically castrate gay people until quite recently, in between lecturing the rest of the world about "civilisation". Did the Irish state do that?

No, just it's own citizens marginalised them, beat them up, pretended they didn't exist or sent them into the priesthood.

nozzferrahhtoo

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Love them?

If you say so.

Will I Am Not

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

If you say so.

I don’t. The bible does

DEFTLEFTHAND

Mutant z wrote: »

Where's the evidence for all these accusations about Pearse.

Rumours mostly relating to his boys school St Endas.

I doubt anybody could prove anything conclusively.

nozzferrahhtoo

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I don’t. The bible does

Theres that divide between theory and practice I come across so often in life

Permabear

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DickSwiveller

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Rumours mostly relating to his boys school St Endas.

I doubt anybody could prove anything conclusively.

Then people shouldn't label him a paedophile. Pretty scummy thing to do (I'm not saying you did btw)

Phoebas

Permabear wrote: »

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Virtue signalling?

Varadkar delivered repeal of the 8th and SSM.

King of Kings

Phoebas wrote: »

Virtue signalling?

Varadkar delivered repeal of the 8th and SSM.

ignoring the fact that it was Enda Kenny who delivered the SSM, Leo is a virtue signaller par excellence.....he set out that he is a TD of principal and beliefs but history shows he changes with the wind.
It wasnt so long ago he wasnt concerned with SSM and was very against abortion and repeal of the 8th cos it suited his needs of cosying up to the conservative vote in castleknock...

.then his audience grew bigger and he needed to play to a larger gallery...the progressives of rathmines who inhabit twitter also were voters he was concerned with so he changed accordingly..

Leo would sell his soul for another term as Taoiseach....

kinda like enda kenny, in many ways..

Hitman3000

Phoebas wrote:

Varadkar delivered repeal of the 8th and SSM.

Varadkar delivered? History being rewritten already ......

_Kaiser_

King of Kings wrote: »

Leo would sell his soul for another term as Taoiseach....

kinda like enda kenny, in many ways..

Worse.. As arrogant, out of touch and prone to "stories" as Enda was, he rightly or wrongly took a position on an issue and stuck with it till the end.

Leo is so populist he should really be in SF or FF.

facehugger99

King of Kings wrote: »

Leo would sell his soul for another term as Taoiseach....

kinda like enda kenny, in many ways..

Kinda like every politician ever.

_Kaiser_

It's a small thing I know, but for me, his twitter handle sums up Leo's entire attitude...

CampaignforLeo

All about himself and his own profile and he'll do or say whatever to boost it. He has no real positions on anything and is easily swayed by a personal opinion poll - not really what you want in the leader of the country.

King of Kings

facehugger99 wrote: »

Kinda like every politician ever.

not really. thats a lazy and defeatist attitude to have.
There are been TDs concerned with bettering the state above bettering themselves.

Permabear

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DEFTLEFTHAND

How many people were actually prosecuted for homosexual activity pre 1993?

What was the average sentence?