Ire vs Aus - Test Number Three

ButtersSuki

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Who is Falou?

Apologies for what I assume is a dig at me for spelling Folau incorrectly.

Franz Von Peppercorn

What ever about the yellow card incident, the whining about the decision at the end is almost beyond parody. Nobody can look at that incident and say the ball was deflected. It was thrown badly and went to touch. There’s even complaints that the TMO ended the match and that’s up to the ref. In fact the siren had blown and since it went to touch in a non penalty situation the game was over. Also he just advised the ref of that and the ref blew it up.

They seem to think they would have definitely scored. The article from the NZ paper ( written by an Australian) is symptomatic of the idea.

Billy86

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

You mean to tell me you have no idea who one of Austria's most important players is?

Pocock! He's one.

Woooooosh.

Neil3030

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Nah, they got the right Zimbabwean.

I think Australia did, tbf!

Yeah_Right

Billy86 wrote: »

I actually won a fiver from this - bet a friend as soon as Stockdale was carded that if Australia did the exact same they would not see yellow for it. Lo and behold, Folau (who already was lucky not to have been sent off for a penalty the ref seemed to want to dismiss as a knock on against POM) goes and does the exact same thing around the 79th minute, and not even a penalty is called.

I rewatched the game last night and couldn't spot this incident. Do you have a link to it or a more exact time that it happened?

sydthebeat

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I rewatched the game last night and couldn't spot this incident. Do you have a link to it or a more exact time that it happened?

I think it's when larmour out did folau in the air, folau followed up with a forearm to the throat

stephen_n

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I rewatched the game last night and couldn't spot this incident. Do you have a link to it or a more exact time that it happened?

The videos of Larmour’s catch that were posted earlier, Folau leads with his forearm when Larmour comes to ground. It’s nothing like the Stockdale one, as he wasn’t in possession, he hit an exposed player leading with his elbow and forearm. Where as Stockdale’s was more an error trying to raise to arm for a hand off.

Yeah_Right

I wondered if it was that incident but to me that looks like his arms are in a position to catch the ball but Larmour beats him. Very different from Stockdale. He raises his arm to push away a defender and strikes him in the throat. Accidental but that is always going to be a penalty and a card. If that is the incident the OP is referring to then he is wrong.

monty_python

Is there anywhere online to watch the 3 games??

spiralism

Billy86 wrote: »

They are the worst losers in the world and that is absolutely no exaggeration, this stuff is absolutely standard from them.

Saw some other Aussie bloke going on a mad one after the game on twitter about Ireland collaborating with the nazis and shooting at australian ships off the coast of Ireland during WWII. Needless to say, his account had a lot of rugby posts. :pac:

I think he confused us with New Ireland. Oh well, only about 15,000 km difference, give or take.

ScrubsfanChris

monty_python wrote: »

Is there anywhere online to watch the 3 games??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKQs2vl0fhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ6TRajK3LM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q88AdT_gjqY

padraig.od

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I rewatched the game last night and couldn't spot this incident. Do you have a link to it or a more exact time that it happened?

Folau on Henshaw at the very end of the match. 79.50 on the clock.

Yeah_Right

padraig.od wrote: »

Folau on Henshaw at the very end of the match. 79.50 on the clock.

Thanks. Just watched it there. It looked like Henshaw got hit with the ball carrying arm and I couldn't really tell where the contact was. Its hard to see because there is only one angle and it happens quite quickly but I don't think it was the same as Stockdale's strike on Phipps.

This is incredible analysis of stats:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/8tnvgk/australia_v_ireland_match_and_irish_player/e18wt35/

Yeah_Right

Deleted User wrote: »

This is incredible analysis of stats:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/8tnvgk/australia_v_ireland_match_and_irish_player/e18wt35/

That James Ryan is some player. He might even be as good as Scott Barrett

stephen_n

Yeah_Right wrote: »

That James Ryan is some player. He might even be as good as Scott Barrett

Who? Is that Brad Barrett’s brother?

Peregrine

Neil3030 wrote: »

POM was down injured. Sexton was telling the ref something like, "when he's down I'm captain, I know you hate me but you have to go to me".

Steve wrote: »

AFAIK JS's comment was in relation to him assuming the Captain role after Peter O’Mahony went off.

Pretty sure this is what he said:

prawnsambo

So Folau got a one week suspension for his duplicate hits on POM in the air. I was watching the third test back and noticed that he'd done the same to Devin Toner for which (I think) a penalty was given. It wasn't clear because the ref called it back seemingly on the basis of a call from one of the ARs. He had his hand on Toner's chest as he jumped through whch pulled Toner over.

TomsOnTheRoof

prawnsambo wrote: »

So Folau got a one week suspension for his duplicate hits on POM in the air. I was watching the third test back and noticed that he'd done the same to Devin Toner for which (I think) a penalty was given. It wasn't clear because the ref called it back seemingly on the basis of a call from one of the ARs. He had his hand on Toner's chest as he jumped through whch pulled Toner over.

Folau has gotten lucky. His yellow and the citing commissioner's warning are the equivalent of a red and an automatic one match ban. I'd say it's a political decision by WR considering the hullabaloo around officiating throughout the Summer tours. The Aussies have been stamping their feet a lot and the last thing WR wanted was anymore bad publicity.

SuprSi

He's appealing the one game ban

2smiggy

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

The Lost Sheep

2smiggy wrote: »

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

Sure there can be lifts in lineouts by just one person. Should lifting in lineouts be banned then?
I think allowing a lift in open play should be continued.

Faugheen

2smiggy wrote: »

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

Or people can stop pulling down players in the air like Folau did.

Hard done by. My word.

ButtersSuki

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Sure there can be lifts in lineouts by just one person. Should lifting in lineouts be banned then?
I think allowing a lift in open play should be continued.

Very different things (line outs and open play) to be fair.

Buer

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Sure there can be lifts in lineouts by just one person. Should lifting in lineouts be banned then?
I think allowing a lift in open play should be continued.

I don't think single man lifts should be banned in the line out but there's a big difference between two men being lifted side by side for a ball (supposedly) thrown directly between them and one man being lifted into the air as a ball comes at him whilst another team sprints at top speed to try and deflect the ball back on their side.

prawnsambo

2smiggy wrote: »

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

I don't think Folau was hard done by at all. Three times (that I saw), he did the same thing. Left a hand on the body of his opponent as he was jumping through and made sure to topple them. All done very casually as if by accident. Hope they double it on appeal.

2smiggy

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Sure there can be lifts in lineouts by just one person. Should lifting in lineouts be banned then?
I think allowing a lift in open play should be continued.

they are not colliding at pace in the line outs.

Folau was able to jump thew same height himself as O'Mahony being lifted. Any collisions and O'Mahony probably more of risk of an injury due to relying on one person lifting him. Just a thought than 1 on 1 contests might lead to less injuries from restarts

The Lost Sheep

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Very different things (line outs and open play) to be fair.

I know. Just dont agree with making any changes in law here

Buer wrote: »

I don't think single man lifts should be banned in the line out but there's a big difference between two men being lifted side by side for a ball (supposedly) thrown directly between them and one man being lifted into the air as a ball comes at him whilst another team sprints at top speed to try and deflect the ball back on their side.

Oh certainly.

2smiggy wrote: »

they are not colliding at pace in the line outs.

Folau was able to jump thew same height himself as O'Mahony being lifted. Any collisions and O'Mahony probably more of risk of an injury due to relying on one person lifting him. Just a thought than 1 on 1 contests might lead to less injuries from restarts

And how many players can do like Folau can?

Billy86

2smiggy wrote: »

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

Perhaps, but it would leave the person on the receiving team at a big disadvantage vs the guy who has had time to build up momentum and a head of steam for his leap. I do think folau deserved it too though like the poster about, it was repeated and deliberate what he was doing.

2smiggy

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

And how many players can do like Folau can?

Not many in fairness. freakishly athletic !

Professor Moriarty

prawnsambo wrote: »

I don't think Folau was hard done by at all. Three times (that I saw), he did the same thing. Left a hand on the body of his opponent as he was jumping through and made sure to topple them. All done very casually as if by accident. Hope they double it on appeal.

Absolutely. O'Mahony could have broken his neck. It was a cheap and dirty shot. That kind of on-going sh1te doesn't make Folau a hard man, it makes him a pr1ck.

If Folau catches the ball, still collides with POM, POM lands on his neck, is that grand?

prawnsambo

Deleted User wrote: »

If Folau catches the ball, still collides with POM, POM lands on his neck, is that grand?

Yeah, it is. Even if he doesn't catch the ball and collides with POM, if the contest is genuine it's fine too. But catching POM with the hand or arm and pulling him down is not fine.

ArmchairQB

2smiggy wrote: »

Think they should maybe ban lifting from kickoffs and restarts. leave it a contest between lads jumping themselves. one person lifting a person has very little control over him with any contact to him. sort of think Folau a bit hard done by

I do tend to agree re Re-starts lifting any where other than line out should not be allowed causes alot of accidents and mid air collisions that have one man static and another at full tilt . In open play both usually are on the move claiming the ball on the front foot rather than going backwards or static in the air where the risk is multiplied

sydthebeat

ArmchairQB wrote: »

I do tend to agree re Re-starts lifting any where other than line out should not be allowed causes alot of accidents and mid air collisions that have one man static and another at full tilt . In open play both usually are on the move claiming the ball on the front foot rather than going backwards or static in the air where the risk is multiplied

so if POM is static waiting for the ball to land on him, and Folau gets a running jump, catches POM in the head with his boot and twists through 180 and lands on his head, POM gets sent off.

One man lifting is absolutely fine once the player in the air isnt fouled.

stephen_n

ArmchairQB wrote: »

I do tend to agree re Re-starts lifting any where other than line out should not be allowed causes alot of accidents and mid air collisions that have one man static and another at full tilt . In open play both usually are on the move claiming the ball on the front foot rather than going backwards or static in the air where the risk is multiplied

The challenge in the air didn’t cause the problem here, neither did movement or the fact POM was static. The issue was caused by foul play.

Billy86

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

. That kind of on-going sh1te doesn't make Folau a hard man, it makes him a pr1ck.

Add it to the pile...

prawnsambo

Folau's ban upheld on appeal.

molloyjh

prawnsambo wrote: »

Folau's ban upheld on appeal.

I just don't get the outrage over it from down under. It's as clear as day that he played POM in the air and that POM landed in a dangerous position. This is as clear cut a case as you can get. He's lucky in my view to only get a week as he committed the same offence on 3 separate occasions, so it was clearly deliberate, cynical and was incredibly dangerous. He showed absolutely zero concern for the welfare of the player he was targeting multiple times.

prawnsambo

molloyjh wrote: »

I just don't get the outrage over it from down under. It's as clear as day that he played POM in the air and that POM landed in a dangerous position. This is as clear cut a case as you can get. He's lucky in my view to only get a week as he committed the same offence on 3 separate occasions, so it was clearly deliberate, cynical and was incredibly dangerous. He showed absolutely zero concern for the welfare of the player he was targeting multiple times.

It's not just down under. I think Jason Robnson was tweeting about 'the end of competition in the air' or some such hysterical nonsense. There wouldn't have been a hint of a problem if Folau had both hands up going for the ball and just collided wiith POM. But he lost the contest and decided to take a cheap shot anyway. Three tmes. And apparently he's done it a few times in Super Rugby as well, going by some of the comments on The Roar.

molloyjh

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's not just down under. I think Jason Robnson was tweeting about 'the end of competition in the air' or some such hysterical nonsense. There wouldn't have been a hint of a problem if Folau had both hands up going for the ball and just collided wiith POM. But he lost the contest and decided to take a cheap shot anyway. Three tmes. And apparently he's done it a few times in Super Rugby as well, going by some of the comments on The Roar.

That's just thuggish behaviour then. If guys were throwing sly digs on the ground like that the general consensus would be very different.

TomsOnTheRoof

One week was nowhere near enough. He should have been looking at 4 minimum.

Burkie1203

Matt Williams is adamant Folau got banned for his outrageous skill

stephen_n

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Matt Williams is adamant Folau got banned for his outrageous skill

It is outrageous skill, most second rows are looking at his technique in awe.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/RugbyKino/status/1012624851297808384?s=19

arsebiscuits1

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RugbyKino/status/1012624851297808384?s=19

And the circus continues.

This was boring before it started

Former Former

She's right, in fairness.

prawnsambo

Former Former wrote: »

She's right, in fairness.

Yeah, but it's a yellow card at worst and Kearney only did it once. Folau did it three times. Two of which were deemed yellow cards. Which added up to a red. If she's tryiing to compare sanctions, she's wrong.

Former Former

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah, but it's a yellow card at worst and Kearney only did it once. Folau did it three times. Two of which were deemed yellow cards. Which added up to a red. If she's tryiing to compare sanctions, she's wrong.

Compard to the utter hysteria on this thread about what Folau did, I think his wife saying "is this a fair tackle?" is pretty reasonable tbh.

prawnsambo

Former Former wrote: »

Compard to the utter hysteria on this thread about what Folau did, I think his wife saying "is this a fair tackle?" is pretty reasonable tbh.

I don't recall much hysteria tbh, but I was away for the match and only caught up afterwards.

But Folau had three bites of that particular cherry and from what I understand from comments in The Roar, he did the same thing against the Reds a few weeks ago which resulted in a concussion to the player involved. So I have no sympathy for him and his wife's whataboutery is just that.