Toyota is bringing back Camry and discontinuing Avensis

Blazer

Borderfox wrote: »

Looking at some of the colours on the road they let them out of the factory with only the primer on them

Im surprised that SIMI haven't taken a case to Europe over the VRT still being charged despite it being a temporary measure

I don't think you can VRT a temp measure seeing as its been in since 1992 I think was it? Another reason to hate Bertie.
Its a disgraceful tax. If they really wanted to and were clever they would have 10% VRT on new cars and 20% on imports which might push more people into upgrading.
That way the government still gets a chunk of cash from VRT and excise from all new cars.

Eric Cartman

bazz26 wrote: »

But this is Ireland where your typical driver especially Toyota driver will be thinking "Jesus sure what would I want a big engine like that for?". The outgoing Rav4 had a 2.5 litre petrol engine in the hybrid version and didn't sell very well here. Then you have the insurance companies who will probably class them as sports/performance cars. Same goes with them being automatic/CVT only, some people here have the mindset that automatics are only for American tourists or those who cannot drive a manual.

it won't sell down t'country for the reasons listed above , and in cities where people have already been woo'ed over to bmw/mercedes/audi/mercedes for 'luxury' it'll feel like a step back. I can see it selling , but not in huge numbers. If its priced right it might grab non-taxi drivers looking to buy Skoda superbs, disgruntled insignia drivers fed up of diesel and maybe the lads who have passats but can't quite justify an A4/A6

V8 Interceptor

If Avensis buyers don't wanna go up to the Camry I reckon the new Corolla estate could do the job.

Looks pretty good.






Engines will include a 116hp 1.2T petrol and 1.8 (122hp) and 2.0 (180hp) hybrids.

scooby77

Went to Hybrid Roadshow in Sligo earlier. LHD Camry there...fine machine. New Corolla hatch and saloon are grand. No touring sport unfortunately. But for me new Rav4 stole the show...very impressive machine( and I'm not an SUV nut and dislike current model).
AWD version available for 192...pricing and real world economy for that be interesting.
(Didnt get to test drive anything btw. Good crowd round)

vectra

scooby77 wrote: »

Went to Hybrid Roadshow in Sligo earlier. LHD Camry there...fine machine. New Corolla hatch and saloon are grand. No touring sport unfortunately. But for me new Rav4 stole the show...very impressive machine( and I'm not an SUV nut and dislike current model).
AWD version available for 192...pricing and real world economy for that be interesting.
(Didnt get to test drive anything btw. Good crowd round)

How impressed were you with the Camry?
I chickened out of going to Glanmire last week.
Think I will have to make one soon.

scooby77

High class interior. Great spec. Side by side with Corolla though front styling maybe too similar for price???
Went to see it more than others. Have often been in them in Dubai Taxis. Like them...need test drive. Rav has caught my eye though.

TrailerBob

The new RAV 4 looks fantastic. Certainly inspired by the US market 4 runner. I do like the new Camry too. Toyota are upping their game with this generation to be fair

mickdw

I'd like to see the rav4. It does appear bold and should be nice engine wise too.

ShadowHearth

New Toyota line up looks fantastic, which is very frightening to me.

Did I finally hit the wall and became old and boring or Toyota pulled out something really nice.

Love Camry and I would drive it, but its way out of my budget.
Love sport tourer and 2.0 180hp hybrid just perfect for me. Again, I bet its going to be 33k+++ with that engine and a few toys. So again, out of my budget.
I wonder how much normal Corolla with that 2.0 engine in mid spec will cost.

ofcork

Around the 30k mark as cheapest is over 26k for the 1.2 turbo petrol.

ShadowHearth

ofcork wrote: »

Around the 30k mark as cheapest is over 26k for the 1.2 turbo petrol.

I went to their website and in financial calculator they dont have 2.0 version, only 1.8. Maybe not updated yet.
1.8 in luna spec comes to 30k and with 3.9% apr it adds another 2k. So 32k+ for it. Thats a lot for Corolla.

selectamatic

Wonder how long we'll have to wait to see if the 1.2t will take a td04 at a bar of boost

V8 Interceptor

selectamatic wrote: »

Wonder how long we'll have to wait to see if the 1.2t will take a td04 at a bar of boost

Lol.

Seriously though, the 1.33 with 99hp was a tad underpowered. 116hp from the 1.2 is better (providing the car isn't any heavier than the last one).

Leonard Hofstadter

The 2.0 hybrid was meant to be starting at mid 30s and going all the way up to high 30s, but no official prices have been given yet.

It's also meant to have a revised CVT gearbox that makes it feel like it's got a traditional torque converter automatic gearbox, if that's true then it will be a massive step forward.

But the pricing is still nuts even for the cheaper versions.

vectra

scooby77 wrote: »

High class interior. Great spec. Side by side with Corolla though front styling maybe too similar for price???
Went to see it more than others. Have often been in them in Dubai Taxis. Like them...need test drive. Rav has caught my eye though.

Thanks for that.
Did you find the Dubai Camry quiet on the road?

bazz26

I doubt very much you will see the 2.0 hybrid Corolla sold here except maybe as a special order. It will probably be the same as the old Auris 2.2d-4d 180bhp that only the UK and Continent got. It was too expensive to sell in Ireland, people just don't pay 30k+ for Corollas here.

joujoujou

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I went to their website and in financial calculator they dont have 2.0 version, only 1.8. Maybe not updated yet.
[...]

The "all new corolla" flyer I got from Toyota Swinford 2 days ago says both 1.8 and 2.0 hybrids will be available. However, as you mentioned, there is no 2.0 on website, and salesman I asked said 1.8 ONLY.

Disappointed I am.

Leonard Hofstadter

They never sold the 2.2 diesel here (probably just as well given the well known reliability problems this engine suffers from). They're advertising the fact that the new Corolla will be available here with the 2.0 hybrid, but I don't expect many takers, sure even the cheapest models aren't really that cheap at all. To be honest the 1.8 is probably enough for most people. In fairness to Toyota, at least they still fit the car with proper suspension on all models (VW Group and Ford take note).

ShadowHearth

Whats hp on 1.8? I guess around 140?

180hp is a golden spot, where car is not a sports car, but can shift and overtake when needed.

V8 Interceptor

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Whats hp on 1.8? I guess around 140?.

122

ShadowHearth

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

122

Jaysus feck.... Yeah, scratch that off my list so.

zilog_jones

That's more than acceptable for a normal small family car. It wasn't that long ago when 75 bhp was typical for the Paddy Spec hatchback in that class.

V8 Interceptor

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Jaysus feck.... Yeah, scratch that off my list so.

She'd be grand for a remap.

ShadowHearth

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

She'd be grand for a remap.

Or instead of new turbos, you can throw a wee extra battery in a boot.

Nah, seriously, I expected it to have a bit more power. Even 1.8 on its own with 122hp sounds very low. A lot of manufacturers try to get electric engines give extra power in total.

scooby77

vectra wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Did you find the Dubai Camry quiet on the road?

Around the city, as a passenger, top class. Drivers all said like they like it too.
However a long test drive on roads here in north west needed.

vectra

scooby77 wrote: »

Around the city, as a passenger, top class. Drivers all said like they like it too.
However a long test drive on roads here in north west needed.

I am very tempted to make the move from diesel to one of these this time.

V8 Interceptor

I don't think you could go far wrong Vectra.

vectra

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I don't think you could go far wrong Vectra.

Indeed,
I remember my father in law bought a new Camry estate in 1987 and it was an absolute dream to drive. ( Possibly 87 C 2293 )
I remember then after that the Gardai got some as well and those looked well comfy, I can only assume these will be a nice cruiser, I know some people think " A Toyota is a box on wheels to get you from A to B"
But sometimes you gotta look at it in a different way.
Spoke with a dealer today about the Platinum one and it would be as cheap as many others for me to buy.

Sexual Chocolate

I'm driving a 2001 and its a lovely cruiser even the 2.2. Most comfortable car I've ever driven which is great for +6 hour drives I've done here in Australia. There still a very popular car from the early models to present over here.

I was a hybrid one in Sydney a few months back and it seem quite enough inside.

uncle_sam_ie

I just placed an order for the new Corolla saloon sport. I should get my hand on it by the end of March. I'm going from a 2016 Ford focus. I wanted a change and my wife needs an automatic, her knees are fecked. I did test drive the hatch version with the same engine and was happy with the way it drove. The CVT transmission had me concerned but, it was grad. I think it has the new Direct Shift-CVT? It will be interesting to see if it gets better gas millage then the Turbo diesel. We do a lot of long distance driving coming in and out of Cork city from north Cork.

V8 Interceptor

The 1.8 hybrid?

uncle_sam_ie

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The 1.8 hybrid?

yes

grogi

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

I just placed an order for the new Corolla saloon sport. I should get my hand on it by the end of March. I'm going from a 2016 Ford focus. I wanted a change and my wife needs an automatic, her knees are fecked. I did test drive the hatch version with the same engine and was happy with the way it drove. The CVT transmission had me concerned but, it was grad. I think it has the new Direct Shift-CVT? It will be interesting to see if it gets better gas millage then the Turbo diesel. We do a lot of long distance driving coming in and out of Cork city from north Cork.

Hybrid don't use the typical CVT - but eCVT. Which is something completely different, without belt nor pulleys.

uncle_sam_ie

grogi wrote: »

Hybrid don't use the typical CVT - but eCVT. Which is something completely different, without belt nor pulleys.

Oh okay, I didn't not like it though.

zilog_jones

The electric motors (there are two) are integral to the transmission in Toyota/Lexus hybrids, and it uses a combination of those and a planetary gearset. It's nothing like their other CVT boxes. A more accurate term may be "power split transmission", as it's what allows either the electric motors to drive the wheels, or the ICE, or both at the same time.

ofcork

What spec and price I'm thinking about one.

V8 Interceptor

The new hatch looks very good imo.

ofcork

Only in the right spec.

AMKC

I seen one of the new Corolla hatch's today in a nice red and it looked good. Was not sure what it was at first as it was driving by but then copped what car it was.

colm_mcm

zilog_jones wrote: »

The electric motors (there are two) are integral to the transmission in Toyota/Lexus hybrids, and it uses a combination of those and a planetary gearset. It's nothing like their other CVT boxes. A more accurate term may be "power split transmission", as it's what allows either the electric motors to drive the wheels, or the ICE, or both at the same time.

To be fair, pretty much the only Toyota CVTs people in Ireland will have experience of is eCVT.

ofcork

Is the corolla saloon in the dealers now.

AMKC

ofcork wrote: »

Is the corolla saloon in the dealers now.

Well the hatch is anyway as I seen one on the road so would assume the the saloon must be too. The new Rav4 is out as well. They were all being launched at the same time.

doney84

First saloons due in dealerships by the end of the month I'm told.

I'm interested in one but can't get over the lack of information Toyota have on them. I mean you could pre order one since early December but I'd like a decent brochure outlining the specs and difference in trim levels before I commit to buying. The models they showcased at the recent hybrid road shows weren't even rhd versions of the car and had features that I believe aren't even options you can add on the Irish model.

ofcork

Did someone here order one without test driving one so?

V8 Interceptor

I'm guessing they ain't selling the saloon in GB? English tend to like C seg cars in hatch form only.

bazz26

They are selling it there, whether they buy it is another thing though.

doney84

ofcork wrote: »

Did someone here order one without test driving one so?

I guess so, its the same 1.8 hybrid engine that is in the hatch so maybe they test drove that ?

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I'm guessing they ain't selling the saloon in GB? English tend to like C seg cars in hatch form only.

According to this [HTML][/HTML]https://blog.toyota.co.uk/introducing-the-new-2019-toyota-corolla-saloon they are.

ofcork

Id like to see the saloon alright in a decent spec.

uncle_sam_ie

doney84 wrote: »

I guess so, its the same 1.8 hybrid engine that is in the hatch so maybe they test drove that ?




According to this [HTML][/HTML]https://blog.toyota.co.uk/introducing-the-new-2019-toyota-corolla-saloon they are.

Yeah, it was the hatch version I tested drove with the same engine. It will be mid to late march when I'll get my hands on it. I was happy with the way it drove but the hatch is too small for us. The Saloon is a perfect size. Were're coming from a 2016 Ford Focus.

ofcork

What spec and price if you don't mind me asking?